Stage 2 S4 vs Dodge Charger RT video

[YMJ]

What up guys,

ok before i tell you guys the results, and post the video.. lets discuss what ya'll think will happen...


from a stand still, we went at it..

i launched the car at 3,000-4,000 RPM and shifted from 1st to 2nd @ 5,000 RPM.. (i kept miss shifting, cause of my stupid neuspeed short shifter)

now i dont know how much of a difference 91 octane makes.. on the APR chip thats designed for 93 octane.. normally i put sunoco 94 octane, but my friend insists its not really 94 octane and not good for the engine.. so i put 91 octane at shell...

another "disadvantage" would be that i left the ECS on.. but with AWD , again, i dont know how much of a difference this will make..

i'll leave it to you guys and the experts to discuss this!

here are the 2 car specs..

Charger RT Specs: with one passenger 130-140 lbs

Horsepower : 340 hp @ 5000 rpm
Torque : 390 lb-ft @ 4000rpm
Redline : 5700 rpm

Top speed : 130 mph(electronically limited)
0-60 mph : 5.3 sec.
0-¼ mile : 13.9 sec @ 102.0 mph
60-0 braking distance : 125 ft
200 ft skidpad : 0.80 g

Curb Weight : 4031 lbs
Overall length : 200.1 in.
Wheelbase : 120.0 in.
Overall Width : 74.5 in.
Height : 58.2 in.


S4 Specs:

Curb Weight (quattro/manual): 3593 lbs (1630 kg) + 2 x 120-130 pound passengers + spare ( i donno how much difference really this makes)
Horsepower (SAE Net)(stock): 250 @ 5800 RPM + APR Chip & APR Exhaust (no downpipes)
Torque: 258 ft. lbs.@ 1850 RPM



you guys allready know stage 2 s4 specs.. with an APR chip and APR Catback Exhaust..

now lets discuss who should win!

i'll post the video later..

[Fast Euro]

Considering I kept up with one when I was totally stock, I'd put my bets on the S4.

Was this a setup race? IF so.. why race with passengers.

[Meddie600RR]

Lame

[BastardS4]

200 Quatludes on the newcomer.

[YMJ]

Considering I kept up with one when I was totally stock, I'd put my bets on the S4.

Was this a setup race? IF so.. why race with passengers.

kinda, but i didnt want to tell my gf and her friend to get out of the car.. plus,... who would video tape it? LOL

[BlueturboS4]

not that its common but there has been a stock s4 that ran a 13.9, yours with a chip from a dig, should have no issue. but if you cant drive, cant help you there.

[BastardS4]

i have a neighbor with one of these chargers.

drives like a total dick.

I have yet to be in the right car at the right time to give it to this asshole.

i certainly hope you raped that slow peice of crap.

[SilverSurferS4]

When launching with the ESP on your really hurting yourself there... i would assume you would get the hole shot on him.. and then the rt is a pig (heavier than our cars!, which is rare).. technically... you should beat him outright... but it depends on your driving skills also...

I say the S4 won... now show me the video

[YMJ]

not that its common but there has been a stock s4 that ran a 13.9, yours with a chip from a dig, should have no issue. but if you cant drive, cant help you there.

lol, just cant shift to second.. my short shifter is really fucked! going to second is death!!

i have to get a new short shifter.. im thinking JHM..

anyway... what about the other issues.. 13.9 is perfect conditions..

consider,

1. 91 oct for a chip that is programmed 93..
2. ECS turned on
3. shifting quickly into 2nd..

[Fast Euro]

kinda, but i didnt want to tell my gf and her friend to get out of the car.. plus,... who would video tape it? LOL

Are there vids of these two as well?

[Fast Euro]

lol, just cant shift to second.. my short shifter is really fucked! going to second is death!!

i have to get a new short shifter.. im thinking JHM..

anyway... what about the other issues.. 13.9 is perfect conditions..

consider,

1. 91 oct for a chip that is programmed 93..
2. ECS turned on
3. shifting quickly into 2nd..

What I think is if you're going to the trouble of filming.. at least remember to turn off ESP...

[YMJ]

Are there vids of these two as well?

lol nah..

[YMJ]

What I think is if you're going to the trouble of filming.. at least remember to turn off ESP...

i forgot.. i can do these runs again, so im not worried..

i'll do another run against him with perfect conditions, and perfect shifting once i get a nice short shifter in..

just afraid of launching and killing my clutch.. donno how much my car can take!


the first run i did, i was ahead of him in first by a car.. then i couldnt shift to second.. very VERY VERY notchy! i donno if all neuspeed short shifters are like this, or just mine!

i think the run that im gonna show u guys, was the WORST run..

[Reich]

ok, that's anough, where's the tape?

[lil' is 300]

Charger RT is weak shit. It's not even the SRT-8.

An attempt to make this thread less useless...

425hp SRT-8 Magnum vs. Stage 2+

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZFBh9N_L6I

for reference...the Magnum is hardly any heavier than a 425 hp Charger SRT-8......a Charger RT is a joke with 340 hp...it weighs 4000 freakin lbs!

[YMJ]

all right guys...

here is the video!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgMXxxVDPsA

[Das General]

seriously? you lost to a charger R/T

[YMJ]

by the way, i let off at the end.. cause there was a stop sign.. and we were heading into a main road.. LOL

[YMJ]

seriously? you lost to a charger R/T

well look at the video for urself..

when we did a 2nd gear run.. i took him.. from a stand still, i had ECS on, and i was pussy shifting , cause my shorrt shifter is really REALLY REALYL notchy..

[lil' is 300]

Its ESP not ECS... and a well running chipped S4 should be well over 300 chp. The weight difference alone is enough to own a 4000+lb car with only 340hp. I pulled on a 425hp magnum...It would be like racing a civic against a charger rt.

[Quattroownsyou]

kinda weak....you should be pulling on him with ease (maybe something is wrong with your ride). Friend of mine has a stage 2+ and he put down 311whp (104 octane) on a dyno jet. His car pulls hard.

...even the SRT-8's are pretty lame. 4000lbs+ and their traction control cannot be shut off...425hp doesn't get them very far.

[vwbora1]

Yea is "forgetting to turn ECS off" the same thing as that shop in Ohio not turning off the lights when they go home? Man get the acronyms right at least.

[YMJ]

Its ESP not ECS... and a well running chipped S4 should be well over 300 chp. The weight difference alone is enough to own a 4000+lb car with only 340hp. I pulled on a 425hp magnum...It would be like racing a civic against a charger rt.

my bad on the ESP..

the Magnum is 4250lbs
the Charger is 4031lbs
the S4 is 3593lbs

now in the video.. the S4 is 3593 + 410 = 4003
charger is 4031 + 300 = 4331

300lbs difference.. probably even less..

now the only reason it was this close was..

1.ESP(wich basically KILLS the launch)
2. shifting from 1st to 2nd at only 5,000 RPM
3. Octane.. i was running on 91 octane, but this is programmed to 93.... now im no expert in this..

so you guys tell me!

[YMJ]

kinda weak....you should be pulling on him with ease (maybe something is wrong with your ride). Friend of mine has a stage 2+ and he put down 311whp (104 octane) on a dyno jet. His car pulls hard.

...even the SRT-8's are pretty lame. 4000lbs+ and their traction control cannot be shut off...425hp doesn't get them very far.

i dont know about the SRT-8, but the charger can take its traction control off..

hmm i should dyno my car.. i dont think anything is wrong with my ride at all, just the 3 reasons i stated..

in a 2nd gear run, i pulled on him hard, and was ahead of him by a car and half into 4th gear..

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[YMJ]

Yea is "forgetting to turn ECS off" the same thing as that shop in Ohio not turning off the lights when they go home? Man get the acronyms right at least.

jeezuz. stop busting balls on the ECS.. everyone knows i meant ESP..

[Audi S4 Turbo]

I think something is wrong with your car. My E46 M3 would ruin my friends (company) car which had that 340 hemi v-8.

Also, my other friends stage 2 s4 beat my M3.. Sooo you car is noticeably slower then the average stage 2.

[Dr.Duct]

not that its common but there has been a stock s4 that ran a 13.9, yours with a chip from a dig, should have no issue. but if you cant drive, cant help you there.

I ran a 13.62 @ 99mph, 100% stock and verified by induktion motorsports.

www.s4biturbo.com

[Dr.Duct]

jeezuz. stop busting balls on the ECS.. everyone knows i meant ESP..

excuse my a$$holism.. but dude... You cant drive. ahhh Learn how to drive and you wont burn up your stock clutch on stage 2.

Ive launched my car SOOOOOOO many times on the stock clutch and its never once slipped..

and this race... just sad

[Clay @ Kinetic]

lol great thread

[S4-ORCE]

excuse my a$$holism.. but dude... You cant drive. ahhh Learn how to drive and you wont burn up your stock clutch on stage 2.

Ive launched my car SOOOOOOO many times on the stock clutch and its never once slipped..

and this race... just sad

2nd..learn to drive, you should've DESTROYED that car

[YMJ]

I think something is wrong with your car. My E46 M3 would ruin my friends (company) car which had that 340 hemi v-8.

Also, my other friends stage 2 s4 beat my M3.. Sooo you car is noticeably slower then the average stage 2.

no there's nothing wrong with the car..

i just didnt race it properlly..

by the way i put this for a small discussion really.. especially about the 3 things that made the car be head to head vs the RT..

like ESP, Shifting Early and octane rating..

in a 2nd gear pull, i said i beat him.. so i think it was just having the ESP on and the wrong Ocane rating...

i'll do another pull against him.. but first i have to get a better short shifter..

[Silver streak]

stage 2+, still have stock clutch, and have many many launches under my belt... and yes I am the original owner so I know. So take the traction control off next time and giver shit. Also our peak HP on our Ko3 cars are around 5300 RPM and it falls after that so no reason to red line it maybe a 6000 RPM shift? just trying to help, good effort now check for boost leaks and " lets getter done"

[Dr.Duct]

turn off esp, get at 4k rpms, start to slip the clutch, as soon as them wheels start to budge.. Floor it and dump that clutch.

shit at 6400rpm's.

[Silver streak]

^^^ was that shit at 6400, or shift..haha..I guess you could do both.

[FrimmelNoJerz]

cmon guys leave him alone...the ECS was on.

[YMJ]

cmon guys leave him alone...the ECS was on.

yeh guys.. stop picking on me! the EEE CCC SSSS was on ! LOL

E S P lol

but anyway, the thing is.. in a 2nd gear pull i beat him.. and on the first 2 launches that i did propperly i was ahead almost half a car, then i missed 2nd..

cause of my short shifter..

i'll do another run against him.. so meh..

one of my boy's is supercharging his 325ci.. that will be nice runs.. i'll show u guyz the before run and after too!

[stevea6/z28]

kinda weak....you should be pulling on him with ease (maybe something is wrong with your ride). Friend of mine has a stage 2+ and he put down 311whp (104 octane) on a dyno jet. His car pulls hard.

...even the SRT-8's are pretty lame. 4000lbs+ and their traction control cannot be shut off...425hp doesn't get them very far.

Have you ever driven an srt8? Not lame more balls than many can handle and you can turn traction control off by pulling fuse for it (work for dodge)Trust me I know. srt8 will destroy stage 2 but not full stage 3.plus srt8's top speed is 175 mph fastest production wagon in the world (magnum)doubt youve ever seen that.

[FrimmelNoJerz]

e55 wagon?

[stevea6/z28]

e55 wagon?

Dont know if they make a e55 amg wagon but that would beat it for sure.They put the sedan against the rs6 and disapointingly they said it wasn't even fair to to invite the rs6.

[Das General]

how an m5 wagon...

the e55 wagon is a beast and will easily cream an srt8 wagon