Asap! 2001 A4 Quattro 5sp

[snyper55]

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I got a good deal on a wrecked A4, I know the radiator support and everything with has to be replaced but i also noticed that motor was kinda slanted and reliazed the motor mount snapped as well as the tranny mount.
My question is, is it reall hard to replace the mounts? or is there anything else that might be damaged that i couldnt noticed?

[djwimbo]

I got a good deal on a wrecked A4, I know the radiator support and everything with has to be replaced but i also noticed that motor was kinda slanted and reliazed the motor mount snapped as well as the tranny mount.
My question is, is it reall hard to replace the mounts? or is there anything else that might be damaged that i couldnt noticed?

It took me about 2.5hrs to swap all my engine and tranny mounts. That was wasting about 70% of that time and not working hard. If you have the right combo of tools (extensions, swivels, allens,...) it takes a couple mins to get the tranny mounts out. That's the actual mount and the bushing in one shot.
Which engine mount is it? I found the right side(passenger) was more difficult than the Left side(driver's).

Audi's are known for taking a beating to the frame & body to prevent the driver from getting hurt, so it's very likely that your frame will need to be straightened and the subframes replaced.

[snyper55]

THANKS, but what is the subframe? is it where the bumper support/shocks held? oh the mounts that are broken are on the drivers side so when you look into the engine bay you can see the motor slanted upwards on the right side

[audiness]

I don't think the motor mounts are that hard to replace, just get a jack and a peice of wood under the engine and lift it up a little.

[snyper55]

ok so by just replacing the mounts the engne shouldnt be slanted anymore?

[djwimbo]

ok so by just replacing the mounts the engne shouldnt be slanted anymore?

Keyword "shouldn't".

The subframe is what the engine mounts bolt to, hold the front sway bar in place, tranny mounts bolt up to, etc...
If the sub frame is shifted it can be realigned, that's part of having the car aligned. As long as you take it to a quality repair shop, not like my previous employer who bitched at me for doing my job correctly.
If the subframe is bent it needs to be replaced. On B5's there's actually a couple parts involved. #1 ther's a steel subframe, #2 there's an aluminum subframe/s. There might be more, but that's what I can remember now. The aluminum will typically break not bend.

Any body shop doing the repair would be able to tell you if the frame is bent and or the subframe along with an estimate.
Hope that helps, it's hard to know if yours is FUBAR or not w/o getting under it.

[gq331]

subframe...

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[snyper55]

subframe...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Front...spagenameZWD1V

Thanks alot man!!!! I think this is what i might need if this is where the bumper shocks are attached to because the shocks seem to be pushed back

[snyper55]

I was also wondering if there can be any damage to the tranny being that the impact snapped the mounts and slanted the engine?

[Mawhitey]

Thanks alot man!!!! I think this is what i might need if this is where the bumper shocks are attached to because the shocks seem to be pushed back

Hijack, is that subframe typical of Auto subframes? As i made a manual one with tranny mounts like that to fit my six speed, i didnt realise i could buy one off the shelf as it were/ end of hijack

[djwimbo]

I was also wondering if there can be any damage to the tranny being that the impact snapped the mounts and slanted the engine?

anything is pretty much possible on that note.
The bumper supports are one the frame. I'll see if I can't locate a pic of them. Otherwise look up FMIC install pics and you'll see what it's supposed to look like.

EDIT: Here's a pic I found off another AZ member. The bumper support is on the lower left hand side of the picture, the cross bar is often removed when installing a FMIC, so the pic is a lil different than what you'll see.

[snyper55]

I finally got some pics of the car,


see how its slanted



you can see how the frame got damaged but only the first 2"


engine mount snapped


tranny mount went as well



the backof the car with no damage
its sitting on RE's and koni adjustables

[djwimbo]

most of the stuff up front still looks good. That tranny mount in combo w/ the engine mount being busted is what's making the engine "slanted". the pic is blurry, but it doesn't look like the mount itselft is damaged, but more the aluminum piece it fits into. But like i said, it's hard to tell w/o really seeing it.
Originally when you said slanted I thought the engine was slanted, meaning the top of it was more towards one side than the other. Looking similar to a slant engine.

That right side bumper support is what I'd be worried about. I don't know how I would fix that. I'd imagine that a body shop would cut it out and weld in a new one or fab/repair the other one.

[snyper55]

most of the stuff up front still looks good. That tranny mount in combo w/ the engine mount being busted is what's making the engine "slanted". the pic is blurry, but it doesn't look like the mount itselft is damaged, but more the aluminum piece it fits into. But like i said, it's hard to tell w/o really seeing it.

yeah its just the part that it goes onto it not the actual mount....btw djwimbo thanks alot for the replies!

[djwimbo]

no problem. I do my part b/c others have done theirs and helped me out. Keep in mind I've only been an Audi nut for a year now. It's one hell of a learning curve.

... knowledge is power. I'm $27K in debt from school so far and I'm going to keep going.

[dab_master]

This may be a PITA if the frame is bent. It's hard to tell from the pictures, but if it is you may not be able to get a new subframe in or get the car aligned correctly. I wrecked my car where the engine and tranny were sent 3" into the firewall. broke all mounts and a shit load of other stuff, but it runs just fine now. that's what they are supposed to do in a crash. good luck.

[djwimbo]

This may be a PITA if the frame is bent. It's hard to tell from the pictures, but if it is you may not be able to get a new subframe in or get the car aligned correctly. I wrecked my car where the engine and tranny were sent 3" into the firewall. broke all mounts and a shit load of other stuff, but it runs just fine now. that's what they are supposed to do in a crash. good luck.

That's what they're supposed to do. They took that into consideration as well during the DTS fabrication. In the event of a collision the engine and transmission are designed to go under the car/back into the bulkhead(not firewall).
Looking at it again, it looks like the left side "bumper support" is collapsed some. If it were me, I'd get some flat stock and rebuild that bracket/support.
One of the things to look at when buying a car is those "frame rails" to see if they've been crinkled or tweaked from a front end collision. One of the problems we found on my first B5 and my buddies TransAm.

[pimptastic]

That car needs to have the right rail repaired/replaced and the whole front end sheetmetal aligned on a frame machine before you start putting things back together. Get a side shot of that rail, it looks pretty bad from the front. How much Did you get this car for? You realize this car needs alot of work, much more than bolting on a few fenders and rad support, right?
And please don't go welding steel plates onto that frame rail, those rails have had lots and lots of R&D to crush and give in the right places and if over strengthened in places, you could cause things like airbags to go off too late, etc.