swapped motor?

[Fresh.S4]

really random question...has anyone ever swapped in a 30v 2.7t into a b6?

[dougyfresh]

wait for it.....

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[audi314]

still waiting.............

[absolutegtr]

maybe....you should try searching...you might find your answer

[A4TUNE]

yes i did it. search my posts you'll find it.

[Fresh.S4]

yea but apparently "2.7t + B6" arent enough to search... if it hasnt just say no if it has then ...

[A4ringedONE8T]

Just say no ...

[vinny.dtw]

i did it, and i have over 1000whp :D on a tiptronic too :P

[CO AVANT]

These guys are just fucking with you. It is not cost effective enough to toss in a 2.7T into a B6 chassis. Only people who have or most likely will do it are sponsored shops or people with $20K to spend to do it up right. Just build a 2.0L out of a 1.8T, slap a big turbo setup on it, and go. Much cheaper and less of a headache with clearances, mounting points, ecu issues, and drivetrain...

[Amze]

Just respond normally?

Jesus.

[DenverNoob]

if the OP knew anything at all about how finaky, testy, and outright bitchy a 2.7t motor really is....he (or anyone else for that matter) would have virtually no desire to perform said swap.

as nice at the top-end #s for some of those 3+ modded motors are...those cars are barely daily drivable. they break constantly, have a host of issues, are a programming nightmare (if you really want it dialed in), and require constant and vigilent maintinence.

now try adding that to a b6 frame to further complicate matters...take away a more advanced ECU, wideband o2 control, and add all that custom work and one could easilly understand why modding an existing 1.8t makes far more sense, and if done right, can actually be faster than a LOT of stage 3 biturbos for 1/2 the cost to swap in a motor.

end of rant....i really dont like that motor btw...and unless you have had the "pleasure" of dealing with them on a daily basis you could never concieve as to why.

[CO AVANT]

Just respond normally?

Jesus.

Maybe because anyone that knows anything about the B6 knows that these threads are a far fetched dream. There have been way too many threads that go NO WHERE on this subject. I think all the guys posting here want threads like these to just die. Now if you have more $$$ to spend than your car is worth, then go for it. Just plain stupid IMO...

[EBG 18T]

Maybe because anyone that knows anything about the B6 knows that these threads are a far fetched dream. There have been way too many threads that go NO WHERE on this subject. I think all the guys posting here want threads like these to just die. Now if you have more $$$ to spend than your car is worth, then go for it. Just plain stupid IMO...

hey jordan hows the new engine coming?

[CO AVANT]

should be at my door step next week....finally. Gonna take it to MAC dynojet after I hit ~1000+ miles.

[EBG 18T]

should be at my door step next week....finally. Gonna take it to MAC dynojet after I hit ~1000+ miles.

sounds good, can't wait to see the #'s. I am going to miss the MAC dyno. I need to find one here now.

[CO AVANT]

Damn dude you moved to New Hampshire? I think you told me you were, but I forgot... Hope everything goes well for you out there. Car feel a little more powerful down there?!

[EBG 18T]

Damn dude you moved to New Hampshire? I think you told me you were, but I forgot... Hope everything goes well for you out there. Car feel a little more powerful down there?!

car's a little better down here w/ 93 oct. and 4000' less of elevation. But it isn't as noticible as it would be with a bigger turbo. I am still on the K04. You would notice a alot bigger diff down here.

we still have a house out there, but bought another house here. We are going to start building another 2 car garage come august, our current 2 car garage is outa space for the toys. It will be nice to have 4 bays of garage space.

[dougyfresh]

as nice at the top-end #s for some of those 3+ modded motors are...those cars are barely daily drivable. they break constantly, have a host of issues, are a programming nightmare (if you really want it dialed in), and require constant and vigilent maintinence.

Once again I disagree with what's in bold. Sorry Ted. I agree about everything else except what I quoted. The ASP GT S4s are completely driveable and have insane amounts of power!





EBG 18T. Where in NH? Please say up in the mountains. I lived in Portsmouth for a few years before moving to CT.

[dubenvy]

Once again I disagree with what's in bold. Sorry Ted. I agree about everything else except what I quoted. The ASP GT S4s are completely driveable and have insane amounts of power!





EBG 18T. Where in NH? Please say up in the mountains. I lived in Portsmouth for a few years before moving to CT.

Funny, I lived in CT before we moved to Portsmouth (where I lived for 20 years)

[F16HTON]

I fully disagree 100% too. I have driven Sarabi's S4 and it is a dream. We can cruise around all day in LA traffic and it will never overheat, the car idles and drives wonderfully, gets great fuel economy off-boost and is the fastest thing on the road when it is in boost.

[F16HTON]

To get back on topic, you can swap in a 2.7TT to the B6 A4. The most seamless installs come when the donor car is a A6.

[AudiA4_20T]

To get back on topic, you can swap in a 2.7TT to the B6 A4. The most seamless installs come when the donor car is a A6.

Greg I must say I admire your optimism but you often mislead people into thinking things like this are easy tasks

[F16HTON]

It would be tough to do in the parking lot at school....

[AudiA4_20T]

It would be tough to do in the parking lot at school....

eh, Id be down for it, but the common person would not...

[dubenvy]

what is the ECU solution though?

[absolutegtr]

It would be tough to do in the parking lot at school....

LOL

Out of curiosity Why do you say the "easiest" way is from a donor A6? What would the difference be compared to a B5S4

[AudiA4Turbo22]

^^ most likely due to a better tuning more conservative so easier to get a first impression in a stock A6 and reliability would be better and who the heck wants to take a B5 S4's motor out i'd just drive it like that!







i have no idea what i'm talking about here!

[F16HTON]

LOL

Out of curiosity Why do you say the "easiest" way is from a donor A6? What would the difference be compared to a B5S4

When I say donor, I am talking about a car that you can pull all of the fueling, electronics and motor/transmission.

The A6 wiring harness is more compatible with the B6. The A6 ECU will run all of the B6 comfort module features, combinig the two harnesses is more palatable.

[DenverNoob]

Once again I disagree with what's in bold. Sorry Ted. I agree about everything else except what I quoted. The ASP GT S4s are completely driveable and have insane amounts of power!

nobody said everyone had to agree all the time...lol.

the reason i may be a bit biased against the 2.7t is the altitude problems we experience here in CO. there are NUMEROUS ECU issues that occur here that really dont anywhere else. there are specialized elevation files for GIAC cars here that address these issues...and tuners at REVO, APR, and GIAC alike all have had very special circumstances here. am i a bit biased as a result of this...you bet. part of the problem here is the generation of ECU in the 2.7t...its just not even nearly as smart as the ME7....and I mean it is a SERIOUS gap in adaptability when tuned, moreso with fueling upgrades as seen in MANY 3+ cars. I personally have been part of an effort to solve a few problems that are common to this area...and simply stated the ECU doesnt always want to cooperate...even when one would think it should. Ask any of the big tuners...elevation is an issue with that car moreso than the 1.8t....by leaps and bounds.

this is the source of my "daily driving" comment...I see the same 3 and 3+ cars come in and out of this shop (i do some part time work for them for poos and grins) time and time again...and rarely are there common threads hardware-wise. plainly stated...the 2.7t is a very tempermental motor...end of story. if it is not dead-balls on hardware AND software wise...there WILL be many issues...and ANYONE who tells you that there arent prolific hardware problems with that motor is not being 100% honest. its not a magical equation...its an aging platform and was tempermental when it was new...aging valves, hoses, wiring, and the like are become far more common problems now (as should be expected)...and not many people (unlike a shop) have the time or the knowhow to keep on top of every single part that can and does have issues.

I personally dont know too many people who own a 3 or 3+ 2.7t that dont have a backup car to drive...

[Tgr_Clw]

I personally dont know too many people who own a 3 or 3+ 2.7t that dont have a backup car to drive...

Troof. I'd love a stage 3 2.7t, but not without a 2nd car as a backup.

[Fresh.S4]

man ya'll scaring me into not buying an s4....i really hate the b5 bodystyle with a passion and id only be doing it forthe motor. i love how the b6's look but im comming from a vr6 jetta and i know audis are alot more heavier especially one with a 1.8t. you would almost have to go BT to make s4 power.

[DenverNoob]

man ya'll scaring me into not buying an s4....i really hate the b5 bodystyle with a passion and id only be doing it forthe motor. i love how the b6's look but im comming from a vr6 jetta and i know audis are alot more heavier especially one with a 1.8t. you would almost have to go BT to make s4 power.

dont let us scare you off...but at least be an informed consumer and do your research...do it here...other forums, find people local to you and chat them up....hell...pop by a dealership and talk to techs that work on the 2.7t motors and ask their opinions...then draw your own conclusion based on that information.

one piece of advice however...keep a "slush fund" handy if you buy one...something with a 5+ grand here and there for repairs. common problems are tranny synchros and k03 (OEM) turbo failure. many owners have neglected their timing belts...so if you are buying one with miliage approaching 70k, look for that service to have been completed or have the $$ necessary to do so yourself...the last thing you want is 30 bent valves because your timing belt skipped a tooth because of tensioner failure.

one other thing to keep in mind is service costs...there are a lot of "minor" services that require LOTS of labor because the fittment of the engine in the bay is so tight...LOTS of things require the pulling of the front bumper...and even some "medium" issues require the whole engine to be removed....whereas on other platforms this is not the case (even the 2.7t A6 is an improvement in this regard as there is more room in the engine bay for techs to perform service)...these are all things to consider. while cost of parts may not be too dreadfull, labor on the s4 in particular certainly has the potential to be!

[Fresh.S4]

well im really looking for an avant preferably. and i will have a "uh oh" set aside for basics. and i can go to my buddy rezie (u guys might know him on here) shop for repairs and what nots. and the whole stg3 isnt that much of an issue rite now. im just lookin to get it up to stg2. and keep it their for awhile. i did find an 01 audi all road thats local to me for 14k obo w/ 94xxx miles. and its all stock and is a 1 owner car.