Maybe a B5 S4 is not for me.

[bloodstar57]

I'm looking to get a newer Audi. I was really considering a B5 s4, however after much research it just doesn't seem to be conducive to keeping some money in my pocket. I'm good with a wrench(mechanic background( did all the work on my B5 A4, New clutch, suspension, cv boot etc.) but i see having a B5 S4 as doing a lot of work. I seriously had a nightmare last night about doing turbo changes. I guess i'm getting older and don't want to be fixing to much stuff. Also i see the cost steep to repair not that Audis are cheap to maintain. All in all i see 2 turbos as more stuff that malfuction and/or break.


So to B6/B7 S4 guys what is the car like and how much modding can't i do? Why do you guy suggest CPO?

[crosenhahn]

B5 are great...start to have problems after extensive mods and mis-maitenence of the car.... I have over 100k on my B5 S4 and have had to do no major repairs...just all regular stuff...take care of it and don't drive it like a honda civic and you will love the thing!!!

With that said, If I could afford a B6/7 S4 I would trade my B5 in a heart beat...the new styling is great...only thing I don't like is that my stage 1 s4 Blows away a stage 1 B6/B7!!!! Gotta love the Boost!! Happy hunting!!!

[enigma1406]

only thing I don't like is that my stage 1 s4 Blows away a stage 1 B6/B7!!!!

That's not true. Stage 2 is a different story.

[bloodstar57]

B5 are great...start to have problems after extensive mods and mis-maitenence of the car.... I have over 100k on my B5 S4 and have had to do no major repairs...just all regular stuff...take care of it and don't drive it like a honda civic and you will love the thing!!!

With that said, If I could afford a B6/7 S4 I would trade my B5 in a heart beat...the new styling is great...only thing I don't like is that my stage 1 s4 Blows away a stage 1 B6/B7!!!! Gotta love the Boost!! Happy hunting!!!

Man i'm pretty sure that has been beat to death but i'm looking at it from a maintenance stand point. Having 2 Turbos brings up a lot issues if things start to go wrong. Maybe i'm being pessimistic but finding a B5 S4 that has not been abused and with low miles is hard. Reading through B5 S4 section makes me think . I just feel i want to do more of this and less of this . Plus i have 2 GSXR 750( one race and one street) so i can get my stupid speed fix when needed.



Also why do you guys push for the CPO B6/B7 are there any big issue with the platform?

[crosenhahn]

That's not true. Stage 2 is a different story.

Of course stage 2 is a different story...but so is a boosted v8 compared to a twin tubor v6... esp a big 4.2 liter... huge displacement difference... Trust me the v8 is definitely the way I want to go...but cant afford the price tag right now.

[Tiesto]

Of course stage 2 is a different story...but so is a boosted v8 compared to a twin tubor v6... esp a big 4.2 liter... huge displacement difference... Trust me the v8 is definitely the way I want to go...but cant afford the price tag right now.

Will you be able to afford the gas?

[belinko]

Gas and insurance costs are two things you'll want to look at. I'd say the average MPG for a B6/7 S4 is rougly 20-ish mpg give or take a few, which would mean +$100-$200 per month in gas for me. As far as insurance at least for myself it is approximately $1K per year more for the S. These numbers are compared to my B5 A4.
The reason you'd want a CPO or possibly third party warranty is to cover potential repair issues. You know you'll recover the cost of the warranty. Also if you're purchasing from a stealership and they don't meet the 300+ point inspection (which they say they do, but never live up to it) start haggling them down for price. Last weekend I went to the local stealership and they had a '05 Blk on Blk S4, manual, carbon interior, asking price was roughly $34K, which isn't a bad deal. Nevertheless, I don't want a Black vehicle.
As for the B5 S4, if you're not planning on modding too much, don't even bother. On the other hand its and instant classic vehicle if you can find an unmolested one.
GL with your decision.

[enigma1406]

$1k MORE for the S? Jesus man. What have you done to get it that high haha. Mine is under $1k total for the year. If you're even considering this car, gas shouldn't be a concern. You can't get much better mpg by driving conservatively...I'll get 15-16mpg driving like a maniac and 18-19 driving conservatively. That's maybe 50 miles more per tank...nothing too crazy.

What you should do is get an 05 B6 S4, so it's a little cheaper, and then a B5 S4 to play with! OK, that's a bit crazy but that would be the best of both worlds.

[bloodstar57]

$1k MORE for the S? Jesus man. What have you done to get it that high haha. Mine is under $1k total for the year. If you're even considering this car, gas shouldn't be a concern. You can't get much better mpg by driving conservatively...I'll get 15-16mpg driving like a maniac and 18-19 driving conservatively. That's maybe 50 miles more per tank...nothing too crazy.

What you should do is get an 05 B6 S4, so it's a little cheaper, and then a B5 S4 to play with! OK, that's a bit crazy but that would be the best of both worlds.

Lol that would be great but i need to keep both my bikes (i'm starting amatuer racing this season and i need the other for the street) So i only have room for one DD.

Gas is not a concern i agree with enigma1406 on that.

[tadhgbrosnan]

B5 are great...start to have problems after extensive mods and mis-maitenence of the car.... I have over 100k on my B5 S4 and have had to do no major repairs...just all regular stuff...take care of it and don't drive it like a honda civic and you will love the thing!!!

With that said, If I could afford a B6/7 S4 I would trade my B5 in a heart beat...the new styling is great...only thing I don't like is that my stage 1 s4 Blows away a stage 1 B6/B7!!!! Gotta love the Boost!! Happy hunting!!!

Your assertion that a Stage 1 B5 "blows away" a B6 is greatly exaggerated. I had a very healthy and well maintained Stage 2 B5 before my B6 and the difference isn't as great as some B5 owners claim. I am confident a Stage 1 B5 vs a B6 would be a driver's race.

[FastB7S4]

Also why do you guys push for the CPO B6/B7 are there any big issue with the platform?

CPO is suggested because of the high cost of repairs. Since Audi squeezed the 4.2 into an engine bay that normally houses a 1.8T/2.0T, there is almost no wiggle room. To fix anything, no matter how minor would require removing the front end. Simple repairs can cost up to and over $1k at a time. If you do some research, you'll see that the 4.2 is pretty bullet proof, however, you will occassionally get the BS failures such as the common coil pack problem. CPO will cover these expenses.

Also, the 4.2 is known to burn oil. Average is about 1qt per 5k miles. Audi claims this is normal.

[bloodstar57]

CPO is suggested because of the high cost of repairs. Since Audi squeezed the 4.2 into an engine bay that normally houses a 1.8T/2.0T, there is almost no wiggle room. To fix anything, no matter how minor would require removing the front end. Simple repairs can cost up to and over $1k at a time. If you do some research, you'll see that the 4.2 is pretty bullet proof, however, you will occassionally get the BS failures such as the common coil pack problem. CPO will cover these expenses.

Also, the 4.2 is known to burn oil. Average is about 1qt per 5k miles. Audi claims this is normal.

Thanks thats not too bad IMO better than pulling the engine to change the turbos. I'm properly tooled to do work on a B5 S4 or B6 S4 however i feel i will have a more reliable car in the B6 s4. Would most agree on this?

[i_eat_staples]

$1k MORE for the S? Jesus man. What have you done to get it that high haha. Mine is under $1k total for the year. If you're even considering this car, gas shouldn't be a concern. You can't get much better mpg by driving conservatively...I'll get 15-16mpg driving like a maniac and 18-19 driving conservatively. That's maybe 50 miles more per tank...nothing too crazy.

What you should do is get an 05 B6 S4, so it's a little cheaper, and then a B5 S4 to play with! OK, that's a bit crazy but that would be the best of both worlds.

1k, total?! holy crap

i spent ~3600 in 2007 just on gas

[FastB7S4]

i feel i will have a more reliable car in the B6 s4. Would most agree on this?

I can't say for sure since I don't know much about the B5's. I think the B6/B7 will be a better DD and sound a hell of a lot better with the V8. Plus you'll have more up to date styling (especially with the B7) and you won't feel your car is quite so old and outdated looking. Interior is also much nicer in the 6/7. Recaros FTW!

[enigma1406]

1k, total?! holy crap

i spent ~3600 in 2007 just on gas

I meant just for insurance. Gas is way more haha.

[i_eat_staples]

I meant just for insurance. Gas is way more haha.

oh! hah, yea thats a different story

[likewater]

Originally Posted by crosenhahn
only thing I don't like is that my stage 1 s4 Blows away a stage 1 B6/B7!!!!

I didn't know there was such a thing as a stage one B6/B7. These cars are NA. What the heck are you talking about?