235/35/19 with 19 x 9.5 wheel...who has da snapshots?

[mioStile]

Okay - I'm tinkering with the idea of buying a 19x9.5 wheel and placing a 235/35/19 on it. Will this significantly hinder any protection my past 8.5 inch wheels have gotten from the sidewall. Is this a dumb idea anyway?

Any pics??? c'mon...I know there's some of you with the wide loads.

[Seans06Sline]

Its a really dumb idea... You will have extreme tire stretch and no rim protection whatsoever. I've got 235/35/19's on an 8.5" wheel and there's some stretch to it. 9.5" would look pretty bad if not unsafe.

[tivs31]

I'm going to be running a 235 shortly on my 9.5, I'm currently running a 225 on a 9 on my other car.

I'll looked streched, but nothing really too extreme at all. I was going run a 215 on a 8.5 for the front as well to balance it out

[mioStile]

Its a really dumb idea... You will have extreme tire stretch and no rim protection whatsoever. I've got 235/35/19's on an 8.5" wheel and there's some stretch to it. 9.5" would look pretty bad if not unsafe.

Was that a fluke, or does that actually happen??????????

[INTEGRATION]

The explosion would be of extraordinary magnitude!

[EuroA4]

Stretch is ok in a small amount, but isn't the idea of getting 9.5" wheels to put more tire on the road...not less? I'd stick with the 255 (R) and 225 (F).

[mioStile]

Stretch is ok in a small amount, but isn't the idea of getting 9.5" wheels to put more tire on the road...not less? I'd stick with the 255 (R) and 225 (F).

Def. But, I will openly admit, while keeping the performance of my car is important, the look is a bit more so to me (I won't be tracking/driving the car hard). So, the 9.5 inch wheel will add that deeper dish feel, but I want to use the tires I have now because they still have 80% of the tread left. But, I want to be safe and I totally agree - if you are going to spend money on new wheels, you should save up more and do it right with the right tires as well.

[tivs31]

here is the tire size chart from toyo directly, as you can see a 235/35/19 is within thier spec for a 9.5" wheel.



I was searching all over for pictures, but I couldn't find one in all the tire strech threads I looked at unfortunatley. I know it's not a great big strech, and if it's within the manufacturer's #'s then I say go for it

[Capt. Obvious]

Its a really dumb idea... You will have extreme tire stretch and no rim protection whatsoever. I've got 235/35/19's on an 8.5" wheel and there's some stretch to it. 9.5" would look pretty bad if not unsafe.

You have NO idea what the hell you're talking about.

[INTEGRATION]

Stretching is retarded. It's another way of saying "I can't afford wider tires". It accelerates tire wear, and you have to constantly monitor it for pressure drops. So much time and effort put into killing your tires even faster! In the long run you'd be spending so much money on tires you might as well buy Michelin pilot Sports PS2s everytime you replace your tires. Plus having an extremely stretched sidewall increases the chances of denting/damaging your wheels because the sidewalls are now extremely stiff and the tire cannot absorb road irregularities like it's designed to do. And why would you "show" guys want a stiff sidewall? Since you guys don't do any performance driving anyways why would you want to make your ride quality stiffer? Plus the only real reason why people stretch their tires to maximize sidewall stiffness is for drifting...which no one with a B6/B7 does anyways.

[Capt. Obvious]

My bad, I totally forgot, the only reason anyone would ever possibly want to modify their car is for performance purposes. Give me a break.

I've been stretching tires for years and I've never done any damage to any wheel that would have been prevented had I used the "proper" sized tire. And stretching doesn't kill tire life, my stretched tires last just as long as unstretched tires.

And I assure you, the reason I stretch tires isn't because "I can't afford wider tires."

[quattrotman]

Stretching is retarded. It's another way of saying "I can't afford wider tires".

Yeah, right. That's one of the weakest arguements I've ever heard.
Stretching a tire is a 'looks' thing not a performance thing. I always find it hilarious how all the guys on this forum preach performance when we're talking about an A4. Gimme a break. While it's a nice car and you can make it go faster with some goodies and a chip, it ain't no performance car. Not even close. I bought mine because I like the way it looks but knew, no matter what I did, it wouldn't be fast. You want performance, buy a diferent car but stop preaching this drivel...stretched tires are perfectly safe for the driving we do in north america and unless you race, it make no difference whatsoever. I had stretched tires on all my previous cars and never had an issue and I drive like an ass. Also, have you noticed that some of the ultra high end cars now have slightly stretched tires (RS4, Gt3, MB C63, etc)
I've done stretched tires on all sorts of cars (used to have a shop) from $100k porsches to VW and even did a Ferrari. No probs. And if you go over the pond it's pretty normal, they have way stricter safety standards AND no speed limits on the autobahns and it's OK for them.
Seems as though many in north america cling to the safe and boring approach to performance/styling and never are willing to try extremes.
I would've done 235's on 9.5's all around but I didn't want to work to get em on and have to deal with any rubbing but the 'safety' thing is complete horseshit. I've seen lots unsafe mods on this forum that everyone doesn't seem to have a problem with. Dumping your car in the weeds is also unsafe but nobody talks about that.
Unfortunately, some people like to preach what they are told when they have no idea what we're talking about.

[tivs31]

Stretching is retarded. It's another way of saying "I can't afford wider tires". It accelerates tire wear, and you have to constantly monitor it for pressure drops. So much time and effort put into killing your tires even faster! In the long run you'd be spending so much money on tires you might as well buy Michelin pilot Sports PS2s everytime you replace your tires. Plus having an extremely stretched sidewall increases the chances of denting/damaging your wheels because the sidewalls are now extremely stiff and the tire cannot absorb road irregularities like it's designed to do. And why would you "show" guys want a stiff sidewall? Since you guys don't do any performance driving anyways why would you want to make your ride quality stiffer? Plus the only real reason why people stretch their tires to maximize sidewall stiffness is for drifting...which no one with a B6/B7 does anyways.

omg your so right, I am retarded, thank you for opening my eyes up to how stupid I was, and enlighting me on my stupid ways

[quattrotman]

omg your so right, I am retarded, thank you for opening my eyes up to how stupid I was, and enlighting me on my stupid ways

...and I bet you couldn't afford 'real' size tires so you had to settle with stretched ones right?

[tivs31]

yup, 255 pirelli's are too expensive, I only have enough room on maxed out cc for the 235's

[Capt. Obvious]

...and I bet you couldn't afford 'real' size tires so you had to settle with stretched ones right?

Totally. Because importing 215/40/15's into the US (no one sells them here) for the 15x9.5's on my mkII and waiting two months for them to get here was WAY cheaper than getting the "right" tires for my car. LOL

[Pure Euro]

235/30/20... coming soon lol

[BlackB7Quattro]

Stretching is retarded. It's another way of saying "I can't afford wider tires".

Stretch is cool your a tool!

[oakenfolde]

235 is to small. im running 245's with my 8.5 .. isnt the rs4 a 265 with the 9's?

[liciouz]

my setup

Wheel Diameter : 19"
Wheel Width: 8.5" Front and 9.5" Rear
Lip Width: 2.5" Front 4.0" Rear
Wheel Offset: ET30 Front and ET40 Rear
Tire Manufacture: General Exclaimer UHP
Tire Size: 235/35/20ZR front, 265/30/20ZR Rear

[INTEGRATION]

Yeah, right. That's one of the weakest arguements I've ever heard.
Stretching a tire is a 'looks' thing not a performance thing. I always find it hilarious how all the guys on this forum preach performance when we're talking about an A4. Gimme a break. While it's a nice car and you can make it go faster with some goodies and a chip, it ain't no performance car. Not even close. I bought mine because I like the way it looks but knew, no matter what I did, it wouldn't be fast. You want performance, buy a diferent car but stop preaching this drivel...stretched tires are perfectly safe for the driving we do in north america and unless you race, it make no difference whatsoever. I had stretched tires on all my previous cars and never had an issue and I drive like an ass. Also, have you noticed that some of the ultra high end cars now have slightly stretched tires (RS4, Gt3, MB C63, etc)
I've done stretched tires on all sorts of cars (used to have a shop) from $100k porsches to VW and even did a Ferrari. No probs. And if you go over the pond it's pretty normal, they have way stricter safety standards AND no speed limits on the autobahns and it's OK for them.
Seems as though many in north america cling to the safe and boring approach to performance/styling and never are willing to try extremes.
I would've done 235's on 9.5's all around but I didn't want to work to get em on and have to deal with any rubbing but the 'safety' thing is complete horseshit. I've seen lots unsafe mods on this forum that everyone doesn't seem to have a problem with. Dumping your car in the weeds is also unsafe but nobody talks about that.
Unfortunately, some people like to preach what they are told when they have no idea what we're talking about.

All I see here is a rant. Nothing technically helpful in terms of the stated "performance/styling and never are willing to try extremes".
I already included the an inherent advantage of stretching your tires: stiffer sidewall. There are those who may prefer to have a stiffer sidewall that suits their driving styles and/or techniques. But in general, all modification is a 2-street. You stretch out your tires = stiffer sidewall, arguably "more rubber making contact with the surface of the road" (but this can be also be attained with a wider tire). So basically the only performance benefit is a stiffer sidewall, and this can only enhance driving performance based on personal-subjective preferences. "Major" (noticeable) drawbacks include accelerated tire weak, ride quality deterioration amongst other minor things. Since this is a thread about stretching a tire I will not go into the minor details of having a stiffer sidewall. And I've already stated some of the drawbacks of having a stiffer sidewall in a previous post in this thread.

Once again, this is for the community to read and benefit so if you can state valid reasonings to backup your statement it would be mutually beneficial for everyone instead of an opinionated rant.

[tivs31]

there were a number of reasons why cars started streching tires.

1. in germany (as well as here actually) it is illegal for the tire tread to go outside of the fender. therefore cars with wheels that are typically wider, for looks, had to run a streched tire, because even though the tire sidewall was outside the fender line, the tire tread, the important part was still within the rules.

2. it has been the goal of many a tuner to go wider, as well as lower, strech aides in this persuit, as alot of enthusiasts know, a car with the right stance goes a long way in making itself quite unique, and it can make a car super agressive without having to spend $ on body kits etc. A nice set of wheels with a slammed stance can simply make a car. Johanes Glockenspiel, a true innovator in the vw world started the trend years ago, and here's his story:

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3119138

3. Strech is available to us that want to go super low without rubbing, it allows you to run a semi wide wheel without having to roll in a 4x4 stance, therefore essentially looking cool, while still being completely functional.

4. stiffer sidewall = better road feeling, you know the limit and can push the car there and feel it when it goes out, rather than most tires that are too big for the wheel where you reach the limit of adheasion and bam your gone, with too much flex in the tire the limit is much harder to find, but with a tight sidewall you can feel it better and faster.

5. looks, vip cars in japan, most old school vw's in europe, big tubbed muscle cars from people like foose and trepanier all run strech in order to minimize the look of the tire while also making the wheel the centerpiece in the car. If you have an expensive set of wheels why clutter them up with a ton of tire, making them look like they don't fit.

And that's about it, to me I persoanlly love the look, love the freedom it gives me to slam a car to the floor, and also drive it daily without too much rubbing.

[Capt. Obvious]

"Major" (noticeable) drawbacks include accelerated tire weak, ride quality deterioration amongst other minor things.

Once again, this is for the community to read and benefit so if you can state valid reasonings to backup your statement it would be mutually beneficial for everyone instead of an opinionated rant.

With that said, please follow your own advice as well.

[quattrotman]

All I see here is a rant. Nothing technically helpful in terms of the stated "performance/styling and never are willing to try extremes".
I already included the an inherent advantage of stretching your tires: stiffer sidewall. There are those who may prefer to have a stiffer sidewall that suits their driving styles and/or techniques. But in general, all modification is a 2-street. You stretch out your tires = stiffer sidewall, arguably "more rubber making contact with the surface of the road" (but this can be also be attained with a wider tire). So basically the only performance benefit is a stiffer sidewall, and this can only enhance driving performance based on personal-subjective preferences. "Major" (noticeable) drawbacks include accelerated tire weak, ride quality deterioration amongst other minor things. Since this is a thread about stretching a tire I will not go into the minor details of having a stiffer sidewall. And I've already stated some of the drawbacks of having a stiffer sidewall in a previous post in this thread.

Once again, this is for the community to read and benefit so if you can state valid reasonings to backup your statement it would be mutually beneficial for everyone instead of an opinionated rant.

Who's ranting? Dude, you were the one ranting. Only reason for stretched tires is you can't afford the right size??? Stretched tires are retarded?? What have you added that is 'technically' helpful. I hate to get into this tuck/poke arguement because people seem to be blind to anything but what they've been taught.
If you have actual proof from a tire manufacturer that proves any danger, reduced tire life, etc then please share but honestly I have never come across anyone or any tire rep who has any evidence it's a bad idea. They have suggested tire sizes but won't say that it's dangerous. Like my previous example with dumped suspensions, I don't think CO were created so one could absolutely slam your car but people do. So what. It's not good for racing but it'll do for cruising the streets. Kinda like a stretched tire setup. There are limits to everything...if you wanna wrap a 215 on a 11.5" rim, you're probably asking for trouble but the guy who started this thread was asking about 235 ona 9.5" rim > no biggie.
Just open your mind a bit and accept things outside the norm. The VW scene, IMO, was always cooler because guys tried different stuff as opposed to all the cookie cutter stuff I see here. Don't get me wrong, I'm not hating on AZ, but it is refreshing to see some different stuff once in a while and should be encouraged rather than bashed right away just because it is not the 'acepted' normal boring thing to do. I remember when some were suggesting 20's and everyone jumped on it like it was sacrilidge...but now it looks pretty cool.

[mioStile]

Hi everybody - I welcome everybody's opinions. It seems as if, while there are no absolute dangers to running stretched tires, there are a few setbacks (and possible dangers).

The only thing that worries me is that toyo picture up top? What happened there?

Thanks for everybody's opinions! They truly are helping me out in my decision.

[shamrok]

One more vote for stretch looking retarded.

[Capt. Obvious]

The only thing that worries me is that toyo picture up top? What happened there?

It's what CAN happen if you put a 195/45 on a 15x10 and then use too much pressure to set the bead.

[pretarion]

This doesn't make sense. Are you running 19's or 20's?

my setup

Wheel Diameter : 19"
Wheel Width: 8.5" Front and 9.5" Rear
Lip Width: 2.5" Front 4.0" Rear
Wheel Offset: ET30 Front and ET40 Rear
Tire Manufacture: General Exclaimer UHP
Tire Size: 235/35/20ZR front, 265/30/20ZR Rear

[mioStile]

It's what CAN happen if you put a 195/45 on a 15x10 and then use too much pressure to set the bead.

Oh okay - as long as that didn't happen when driving... It wouldn't, right?

[cam]

My bad, I totally forgot, the only reason anyone would ever possibly want to modify their car is for performance purposes. Give me a break.

I've been stretching tires for years and I've never done any damage to any wheel that would have been prevented had I used the "proper" sized tire. And stretching doesn't kill tire life, my stretched tires last just as long as unstretched tires.

And I assure you, the reason I stretch tires isn't because "I can't afford wider tires."

and thats the truth. 215/35/19 on a 19x8.5 wheel, falken 452 to be exact, daily driven for 15xxx miles w/o issues.

gonna do a 225 on a 9.5 wide 19 in a couple of weeks.

[INTEGRATION]

there were a number of reasons why cars started streching tires.

1. in germany (as well as here actually) it is illegal for the tire tread to go outside of the fender. therefore cars with wheels that are typically wider, for looks, had to run a streched tire, because even though the tire sidewall was outside the fender line, the tire tread, the important part was still within the rules.

2. it has been the goal of many a tuner to go wider, as well as lower, strech aides in this persuit, as alot of enthusiasts know, a car with the right stance goes a long way in making itself quite unique, and it can make a car super agressive without having to spend $ on body kits etc. A nice set of wheels with a slammed stance can simply make a car. Johanes Glockenspiel, a true innovator in the vw world started the trend years ago, and here's his story:

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3119138

3. Strech is available to us that want to go super low without rubbing, it allows you to run a semi wide wheel without having to roll in a 4x4 stance, therefore essentially looking cool, while still being completely functional.

4. stiffer sidewall = better road feeling, you know the limit and can push the car there and feel it when it goes out, rather than most tires that are too big for the wheel where you reach the limit of adheasion and bam your gone, with too much flex in the tire the limit is much harder to find, but with a tight sidewall you can feel it better and faster.

5. looks, vip cars in japan, most old school vw's in europe, big tubbed muscle cars from people like foose and trepanier all run strech in order to minimize the look of the tire while also making the wheel the centerpiece in the car. If you have an expensive set of wheels why clutter them up with a ton of tire, making them look like they don't fit.

And that's about it, to me I persoanlly love the look, love the freedom it gives me to slam a car to the floor, and also drive it daily without too much rubbing.

Thank you! Finally someone else in this thread that helps put things in perspective instead of going off with a subjective point of view!
I agree that a stiffer sidewall does allow you to "feel" the limits of the tire "better". But it can also be argued that because the tire is not as wide as it could be, the tire itself, if wider would be to provide more grip.

[quattrotman]

Oh okay - as long as that didn't happen when driving... It wouldn't, right?

Any tire can blowout but putting a 235 on a 9.5" rim is not pushing it by any means. If it were an 11" rim it might be a bit more prone to occur but remember, if it's installed correctly and inflated to the right psi it should never give you any probs. Underinflation or overinflation can lead to this type of catastrophic failure on any tire > stretched or not.

[quattrotman]

Hey, while we're on the topic (don't mean to threadjack)...anyone have a pic of running a 19x9.5 all around with a 235? I still have yet to see a 9.5 rim (et35) on the front of a b6/7 without widening or rolling fenders. Anyone?? Captain..you must have seen this?

[TrboPowr]

no one has the shots cuz its a dumb idea

[tivs31]

Oh okay - as long as that didn't happen when driving... It wouldn't, right?

it should never happen, and according to toyo your within a safe width for the tire, as shown in the chart I posted, you can run a 235 on an 8 all the way to a 9.5 The only way a blowout would happen is if you run into something, hit something, run over a spke or something where the same would happen to a normal tire.

[buk8tee]

personally that blown out tire looks like it happened at a drift event of some sort. Stretched or un-stretched any tire is liable to blow out period. i say post some hi-res pics of that x9.5 on 235/35/19's for all the nay-sayers when you get them boys mounted!!!!! FTW!

it's like working out....streching is necessary so that one does not pull, strain or harm themselves while working out! haha!

[Capt. Obvious]

235/35's on 9.5's:

[INTEGRATION]

personally that blown out tire looks like it happened at a drift event of some sort. Stretched or un-stretched any tire is liable to blow out period. i say post some hi-res pics of that x9.5 on 235/35/19's for all the nay-sayers when you get them boys mounted!!!!! FTW!

it's like working out....streching is necessary so that one does not pull, strain or harm themselves while working out! haha!

Oh my lol. That's a pretty good one actually.

Another thing people overlook is the strength of the sidewall (can be determined by its stiffness), some tires are designed to have thicker/stiffer sidewalls than others (many Bridgestone tires actually and some Falkens also). Just throwing that out there for those people who want to retain a "milder" ride quality that suits their particular style of modding/tuning genre.

[2871mds]

Is that black Audi Quattro?

[H_LineA4]

can we see more pics of the black A4 with a better view of the lip.. thanks!