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    Worse BUYER Expierence Ever!

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    "ECD212"
    I sold him (2) Rs4 FOGS
    http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=198920


    In which were USED but in fully functional order. "i know because I had them on my car for quite sometime and I made special brackets for them"

    FACTS
    1.) I was slow on shipping (I think I sent out ITEM about a week after payment)
    2.) Item was packed well-He even admits that.
    3.) After opening package he says"they are broken" and both are to driver side
    4.) Of course he could be lying but seeing as how I am a stand up person. I tell him I will refund you 100% (ONCE I RECEIVE ITEM BACK)

    5.) I do offer refunds and I do not believe in ripping people off EVER.That's one of the benefits of being in Network Securirty is I have that mentality to protect people and company assets.
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    6.) We stay in contact VIA PM-he tells me once you give me money I will send out ITEM. Now,call me stupid I don't think that's how it works. I think BUYER ships out ITEM then provides tracking, upon arrival of unit-->SELLER REFUNDS.

    7.)The guy gets really bent outta shape and wants me to send him money immediately without even having the product in my hands (for a proper refund)

    8.) I give him Work-Cell-Home phone--I am super busy M-F and I check my voice mail but once a week. I never answer phone numbers I do not know. After seeing the same number called twice I checked voicemail.

    9.) after receiving Voicemail is was him- Leaving a not so nice message... in a lump sum he said. "I am a multi-millionaire, I would have given you 300 for fogs,I guess you ain't a stand up guy you haven't called me back,I will send out you fogs...but ask around who I am. BECAUSE I WILL COME SEE UP!

    So after receiving a threatening VOICEMAIL--why would I call that person back. I called paypal 4-9-2008 to see about the proper way to refund. They said

    A.) He files complaint
    B.) I escalate it
    c.) He provides shipping info
    d.) once I receive ITEM i REFUND


    Here is my PM=======
    "I understand your frustration, but contacting PAYPAL is the way to go about this. That way all the records are kept 100% and accurate.I work M-F and I usally do not take calls during that time. I check my voice mail once a week..and after the one I received today. To be frank,I honestly don't want to talk to you after that voicemail. Threatening someone over the phone isn't the smartest thing to do. Whether or not you are a MULTI-MILLIONAIRE is irrelevant, you could be President George Bush or Donald Trump. I honestly do not care. What i care about is getting my product back and refunding you.

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    I told him to take those PROPER STEPS. That way all the info would be in tact and records would be 100% accurate. He responds in his PM.



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    "I don't need to ask anyone! I am dealing with you! No one is filing a claim through paypal! I am dealing directly with you as the (STAND UP GUY THAT YOU SAY YOU ARE)! I will send out the fog lights today and email you the tracking #! The ball will be in your court but you already knew that!"
    end quote===

    I have the voicemail saved and I am temped to post it. Threats are not something I take very lightly. ALL PMS ARE SAVED AS WELL!
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    Re: Worse BUYER Expierence Ever!


    Originally Posted by ECD212
    Why are you selling?


    Original dj spiel QUOTES
    Originally Posted by dj spiel
    cash$$$$$$$

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ECD212
    Did you ship the fog lights out yet? Do you have a tracking #? Thanks Paul d.

    Originally Posted by dj spiel
    "Hey man I wanted to give u status update on FOGS
    I haven't been home for like two weeks and only internet I get is at work. I came back today (saturday)
    and Have the fogs boxed up I will make a tracking number and ship monday. So look for tracking info tonight-tomm morning.

    At this point I still have not received any info from dj spiel on a tracking #! STILL WAITING!

    When I finally receive the foglight I noticed one was in 2 pieces and I immediately emailed an PM dj spiel!
    This was his response below!



    -Paul

    Originally Posted by dj spiel
    "Once I get a valid tracking number- i can refund instantly. If you want you can call me once you send email for tracking and I can refund you.

    773-407-3983 (cell)
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    Also, I am willing to offer a PARTIAL REFUND so half of what u gave me. $54.99

    you can keep the fogs resell them for $100 and make a profit (only because this back and forth shit is a hassle and I don't have time for it



    AS I stated in my PM because you would not return my calls after you told me to call you! I started to get pissed of after a few call and PM to you! Either way I have shipped them back to you and I would not resell your broken fog lights to someone just to get my money back! If you choose to refund my money so be it! $109.99 will not break me but I guess it does break you because that's why use sold them to me! "I NEED MONEY" end of quote. Have a great night!

    P.S. Funny how the only INTERNET YOU HAVE IS AT WORK BUT YOU ARE POSTING HERE AND AUDIFORUMS.COM TONIGHT! I guess you are the night security guard!
    Last edited by ECD212; 04-11-2008 at 08:51 AM.
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    Re: Worse BUYER Expierence Ever!

    Like I said-don't deal with this BOZO.
    http://www.audiforums.com/m_855187/tm.htm


    I'll post his VOICE MAIL tonight or tomm (so everyone can hear what an a$$ you sound like)


    Point being at no time have i SAID I WILL NOT REFUND YOU. You're the MULTI-MILLIONAIRE. Why are you buying used fogs? Once I recieve them and test them I will refund you. I told you to file with PAYPAL you refused. So stop calling me and making threats over phone dude.





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    Quote Originally Posted by ECD212 View Post
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    Originally Posted by dj spiel
    cash$$$$$$$

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ECD212
    Why are you selling?

    "Once I get a valid tracking number- i can refund instantly. If you want you can call me once you send email for tracking and I can refund you.


    773-407-3983 (cell)
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    -Paul

    Also, I am willing to offer a PARTIAL REFUND so half of what u gave me. $54.99

    you can keep the fogs resell them for $100 and make a profit (only because this back and forth shit is a hassle and I don't have time for it)"Hey man I wanted to give u status update on FOGS


    I haven't been home for like two weeks and only internet I get is at work. I came back today (saturday)

    and Have the fogs boxed up I will make a tracking number and ship monday. So look for tracking info tonight-tomm morning.

    -Paul

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ECD212
    Did you ship the fog lights out yet? Do you have a tracking #? Thanks Paul d.


    AS I stated in my PM because you would not return my calls after you told me to call you! I started to get pissed of after a few call and PM to you! Either way I have shipped them back to you and I would not resell your broken fog lights to someone just to get my money back! If you choose to refund my money so be it! $109.99 will not break me but I guess it does break you because that's why use sold them to me! "I NEED MONEY" end of quote. Have a great night!

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    Grow up dude and enjoy the money!
    Last edited by ECD212; 04-11-2008 at 08:53 AM.
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    Ok Mr. Millionaire-

    Bad idea "trying" to bash my name on a forum where everyone knows me :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by dj spiel View Post
    Ok Mr. Millionaire-

    Bad idea "trying" to bash my name on a forum where everyone knows me :)
    You are the one that has posted this thread Paul Sauseda! You are trying to make yourself the victim! I am the buyer that got burned! I did not bash you on any forum! Just adding truth to your post! I believe on solving thing off line not this way! But I guess being 23 shows what type of person you are.
    Last edited by ECD212; 04-11-2008 at 08:52 AM.
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    Re: Worse BUYER Expierence Ever!

    Quote Originally Posted by dj spiel View Post
    Ok Mr. Millionaire-

    Bad idea "trying" to bash my name on a forum where everyone knows me :)

    Speil... your member number is 5500 after ECD's... wouldn't you think that "everyone knows" him here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zerbst View Post
    Speil... your member number is 5500 after ECD's... wouldn't you think that "everyone knows" him here?
    What are you retarded...the buyer only has one ring where the seller has four.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsrpilot44 View Post
    What are you retarded...the buyer only has one ring where the seller has four.
    I guess because you have 4 rings that gives you the right to rip people off! Thanks for the clarification bsrpilot44! You are so smart!
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    ^ your a multi millionair buying used fog lights for a 2001 s4? And btw the buyer always has to send product back before receiving a refund. You must not purchase anything off line.
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    My point exactly!

    Quote Originally Posted by jcg05c View Post
    ^ your a multi millionair buying used fog lights for a 2001 s4? And btw the buyer always has to send product back before receiving a refund. You must not purchase anything off line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcg05c View Post
    ^ your a multi millionair buying used fog lights for a 2001 s4? And btw the buyer always has to send product back before receiving a refund. You must not purchase anything off line.

    For years now I have always heard of AZ member as been idiots and you just confirmed it! Thanks for buying a cheaper car! I guess you couldn't afford an S4! Sorry for working hard to buy what ever I want whether it is new or used!
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    Re: Worse BUYER Expierence Ever!

    Quote Originally Posted by ECD212 View Post
    Thanks for buying a cheaper car! I guess you couldn't afford an S4! Sorry for working hard to buy what ever I want whether it is new or used!
    First of all, your most likely not a multi-millionaire because if you were that awesome and rich, you would have bought the fogs new. Second (if you are actually the man and have cash), you probably don't work that hard for your money seeing with hard work comes respect. and if you did actually work hard you would have some respect and you wouldn't make a comment as stupid as "buying the cheaper car". Third, even if you did get ripped off...you still have to send the product back before you get your money back. either way, you lose
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    Quote Originally Posted by j2da View Post
    First of all, your most likely not a multi-millionaire because if you were that awesome and rich, you would have bought the fogs new. Second (if you are actually the man and have cash), you probably don't work that hard for your money seeing with hard work comes respect. and if you did actually work hard you would have some respect and you wouldn't make a comment as stupid as "buying the cheaper car". Third, even if you did get ripped off...you still have to send the product back before you get your money back. either way, you lose
    What does someones financial status have to do with getting ripped off? Learn the facts before you put your foot in your mouth!

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    Quote Originally Posted by j2da View Post
    First of all, your most likely not a multi-millionaire because if you were that awesome and rich, you would have bought the fogs new. Second (if you are actually the man and have cash), you probably don't work that hard for your money seeing with hard work comes respect. and if you did actually work hard you would have some respect and you wouldn't make a comment as stupid as "buying the cheaper car". Third, even if you did get ripped off...you still have to send the product back before you get your money back. either way, you lose

    this really is absolutely NONE of my business (well neither is it yours), but reading this thread is so frustrating! First of all the seller did not deal with this transaction properly. From reading what ECD wrote here it looks like ECD has lost faith in the seller because, 1. right from the beginning the seller was not reseachable 2. he said he was going to give a tracking to track the shipment and it was "never" sent 3. the shipment arrived damaged, whether it was from wear or due to poor packaging the fogs are broken. 4. I think I read that they were two of the same side? But don't mark me on that I can't remeber. Any buyer would have red flags go up at this point!!! ANY BUYER! It doesn't sound like they know each other, nor have they ever done business before, and reading someone elses opinion of a seller doesn't reassure anyone. And question.. what business man says they would credit you back half of what you paid for a broken item?

    Another thing, how many millionaires do you know? SERIOUSLY!? Because every single one of MY clients ARE millionaires and they beat me up for ever single buck they can get! There are TONS of rich people who spend their money wisely while others blow it away uneedingly. There are also the people who DON'T have money who go out and buy brand new items making others think that they are rich. Why do millionaires buy used cars? Because they can't afford new ones??! I mean come one that's just being ignorant! Seriously... who gives fuck how he spend his money and what he spends it on!!! It's about principle.

    I can't even deal with reading anymore of these posts! I'm sorry that ECD had to go through with such a bad transaction!!!! Honestly I think that Speil should credit back ECD money, and let him know when the money is sent, and once the money lands in ECDs account, ECD should let Speil know it arrived and then send the part back...

    *edit* never mind.. it looks like the part was already sent, so I guess Speil will have to make a decision to keep his money or to give it back.
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    Re: Worse BUYER Expierence Ever!

    My two cents... the rich get richer because they know how to save/invest money wisely. Buying used is actually smart - depreciation is already out of the car, plus you might have some mods on it from the previous owner.

    I know a few wealthy people and based on how they dress, how they act and the cars they drive, you would never know it. The people that talk about material things might be rich, but the truly wealthy do not need to flaunt it.

    Either way, sorry to hear the deal went bad. I had a similar experience recently, but we worked together through PM (even though phone numbers were exchanged) and everything is working out.
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    Heres the NICE VOICEMAIL HE LEFT ME (not)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nk2Td4w_YeE

    My fault RUNS A MULTI MILLION DOLLAR COMPANY (how that is irrelevant I dont know)

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    Sounds like a robotic voice. lol
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    most millionaires would find it easier going to the dealer and picking up a new pair.

    http://eurotuner.automotive.com/1841...-s4/index.html

    if thats him in that article, then I don't understand why he would take a flighty way of purchasing fog lights, rather than just going to the dealer..
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    Quote Originally Posted by ECD212 View Post
    For years now I have always heard of AZ member as been idiots and you just confirmed it! Thanks for buying a cheaper car! I guess you couldn't afford an S4! Sorry for working hard to buy what ever I want whether it is new or used!
    haha wow. You know you do have a b5s4 right? Which I could have got for the price of my b6 a4. Actually I know quite a few millionairs. Maybe its just the area I live/work in, but I dont think any of them would consider getting a b5s4 as a daily driver(maybe as a project car). I bought the B6a4 because I think it looks a hell of alot better inside and out, besides the s4 have TT thats the only thing I like about it.

    Yes i would have got mad at the seller only wanting to give back half the money also. Thats why Insurnace should be put on any item that is sent to a buyer. But wanting a refund before sending back is not the way it works.
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    I would certainly never buy anything from DJ Spiel after reading this:

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