Originally Posted by
madrussian
Your guys willingness to get into pissing contests with people who aren't your customers time and time again is hilarious.
I remember back in the day when I was told you call you guys to settle our difference over your videos about holiday drawings.
While you may have extreme pride and a puffy chest that you're the only one providing a full replacement fuel pump for the market, it doesnt change my opinion (which I'm entitled to) or anyone else's that APR is a rip off.
You guys charge an arm and a leg for everything from your Stage 3 Kits to your K04 kits from day one. I dunno where you were during the days of the BT arguments on the 1.8T but you used to come around there claiming you were making the most HP and blowing the doors off the competition and priced competitively when lord knows that at that time it was cheaper to piece together a kit and get separate tuning and put out more power.
Say whatever you want about facts, graphs, dyno sheets, etc. but at the end of the day while you may make a decent product it doesn't change the fact that it's a rip off, which it is.
Don't worry, I'm still going to wait till the holiday so I can spend $1500 to have 1 chance of being eligible for your drawing tho...
I came to this thread to read about people's opinions on the KMD pump and some particular user (I think you know him) decided to start an unsubstantiated pissing match about APR's products being a rip-off. I certainly don't remember starting any pissing match with anyone. Instead, I provided facts about our fuel pump with little-to-no opinion involved whatsoever. As I recall, the pissing match and puffy chested comments came from some other user (I think you know him). If you aren't one of our customers, why did YOU bring up the APR name?
In fact, I didn't say anything negative about the KMD design at all. I only stated the facts about the APR design in response to a post that had no facts or information whatsoever. If you don't like the price of our fuel pump, that doesn't mean everyone else is as short-sighted as you seem to be.
We honestly set out to put as much engineering, quality, and performance into our design as possible and in the real world, these things cost money. I am sure that every Audizine user researches their purchases carefully given the significant investment they have in their rather pricey Audi vehicles. If you choose to make your purchases simply based on the lowest bidder, well then that's your choice. What I am saying here is not meant as a jab toward KMD in any way. I am not questioning their design, quality, or performance with these words. However, what I am questioning is your logic and your comments that still haven't provided any data whatsoever to say that our Fuel Pump is not a quality piece. Furthermore, since you haven't done any homework to determine what it takes to design and test one of these pumps, how do you have any idea what it costs to make one with the quality of an OEM supplier?
If you choose to make your judgements simply on price, it leaves out a whole bunch of other topics that are important to everyone here, including you. This is basic and everyone knows this including you. Price is important but it is not the only factor. If price were the only factor, you wouldn't be driving an Audi. You'd drive something made by KIA.
In addition, with the thorough testing and all the new parts and labor we put into each pump, I would say the price is pretty reasonable. What we all have to do is try to understand that the Direct Injection engines are not like the port injection engines of the past. Fueling is inherently more complicated than it was in the past and it's going to continue with this trend as emissions regulations tighten and oil becomes more expensive.
I don't claim that APR is the cheapest solution out there. But I think the value for dollar ratio is very good. Not to mention, all customers have access to great technical support long after the intial purchase is made.
I don't know what drawing you are talking about from the 1.8T days and I really don't care. This is not evidence enough to make me want to sacrifice the quality of our products just to be the lowest bidder in the market.
Once again, if KMD has a quality product...great for them and I truly wish them the best. We may have gone a different route with our design but we feel that the steps we took were absolutely necessary and we have always been clear about that point.
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