Mika tune.

[rick1.8t]

Hey guys, I have been searching the forums for a while now and have come to the realization that the Mika tune that ATP sells with their GTRS kits seems to not be a favorite with most people on this forum. I would just like to know why everyone says its a crappy tune and its garbage. It seems like lots of people r just going off of what other people are saying and has become a huge bandwagon. I have the Mika tune myself and love it. But now i am considering to go REVO. I would just like to know the pros and cons of each one so all input is welcome. Most importantly why does everyone choose REVO now over almost anything. Thanks guys in advance for your help

[tuned A4]

i really dont know the details however i have revo and its very smooth. the real deal is that a bunch of people on this forum are running revo and have had very little issues. why risk running mika?

[3thrd_a_4]

It's not that people pick REVO over anything. It's one of the 1st tunes for the B6 BT kits aside from the APR software, which you can only get with their kit BTW, people really don't have any issues running the REVO tune safely. It's also been proven to make power on a consistent basis. The MIKA tune is relatively new for the B6 compared to the REVO tune as well. Quite honestly I've heard of some not so flattering things about the MIKA tune on B5 cars in the past also........just saying

[rick1.8t]

Is the Mika tune blowing peoples engines? I'm just trying to clear up the whole Mika tune situation. Im in no way defending the MIKA but i love my car and i in no way want to risk blowing it because i went MIKA. Just want to know what issues people have been having with the MIKA tune. Thanks though for your input.

[rick1.8t]

So everyone on here swears that the MIKA tune is horrible but no one has any evidence of it? I thought that this thread would flourish with information on tuning. How about we change it to REVO tune. Who has the REVO tune purchased from eurocode for the GTRS elim turbo kit?

[NiveK1970]

not to mention REVO has been tuning the 1.8 exclusively for a long time, now they are obviously doing others but i heard about revo long before anything else

[AudiA4_20T]

Ok, Mika runs a bit lean up top, and over time will melt pistons and such... I know the B5s had problems with this but I dont think anyone with the B6 has had it happen yet, but also, there aren't many people running it on the B6s. The Revo software is just so solid theres no reason for anything else. It has put the top 2 fastest B6s where they are and I have yet to see a blown Revo motor (there are a few that were kept hush hush but the reason for those was not a bad tune but rather the owners pushing their engines to the limits)

[3thrd_a_4]

So everyone on here swears that the MIKA tune is horrible but no one has any evidence of it? I thought that this thread would flourish with information on tuning. How about we change it to REVO tune. Who has the REVO tune purchased from eurocode for the GTRS elim turbo kit?

No one said MIKA was horrible? Besides you, I don't know anyone who is running the eliminator kits on a B6 that isn't running REVO....myself included. Why don't you dyno your car or run some logs or something. Then we can compare the tunes

[rick1.8t]

If you search mika tune and see past threads u will see what im talking about. It seemed like everybody was against it. I guess you guys are right though and i see where your coming from. I guess REVO is just a solid program. Imma get my car dynoed in August with the MIKA then switch over to REVO and see what happens. With all the talk and past threads i think that REVO is probably the best way to go anyways. Besides its not that much.

[absolutegtr]

Imma get my car dynoed in August with the MIKA then switch over to REVO and see what happens.

Why even bother?

[zemun2]

Why even bother?

Why not?

I think idea is great. We never had any one compare the two...

[AudiA4Turbo22]

^^ Ur Paying For Both Thats Why! Why Pay So Much, Instead Of Going To One Place And Doing It Right, And Saving Ur Money! Thats Not Logical!

[A4 TSCHUSS]

When the GT2X kit was first introduced from ATP it came with MIKA tuning, shortly after they came out with the GTRS kit also from ATP and it also came with only MIKA tuning. A few people had the MIKA software and it had a poor idle and choppy power delivery and was also a not so powerful tune. A few months past and then with some persuading from a company such as Eurocode, REVO then decided to provide a software route other than MIKA to run the GTRS, the initial MIKA software users switched over and reported a great increase in power and also smooth idle and power delivery compared to the MIKA. They (REVO) skipped the GT2X because it didn't prove to be a popular kit (slightly larger than K04 and slightly smaller than GTRS) and was also only a journal bearing instead of ball bearing turbo. The GTRS kit then became available through Eurocode tuning with REVO software for a while until later on a few other company then got on the GTRS/REVO bandwagon and started selling the kit. MIKA software was then later revised to be better than its original debut but nobody was buying the GTRS from ATP (who only provided MIKA) so everyone was now running REVO exclusively except for a few people.

REVO proved to be a good tune for the kit and everyone followed ship. GIAC did not offer a Big Turbo tune and the other big tuner APR was working on a kit of their own which the tuning would be exclusive for so your only option was REVO or MIKA. GIAC later made a file for the GT28r turbo (little smaller than the GTRS) but the software was like APR, exclusive to the kit. Time passed then GIAC made a bigger turbo file which a few had such as a guy named Jeff Lee whos car the tune was developed on, but I don't believe anyone ever got the tune except for maybe a select few.

To this day REVO is the only company that offers a Big Turbo file without having to buy a kit from them like GIAC or APR. One more company ASP came out with a GT28RS kit but their software was also only available for their kit and here we are today with everyone using REVO.

[rick1.8t]

A4 TSCHUSS....

[rick1.8t]

And i plan on going to REVo now anyways so i might as well go to a dyno and see the difference in driving and power between the two. I mean ive spent money on far worse things so whatever right? Maybe it will help someone else out with their decision. Im gonna prolly stay with REVO anyways cuz my MIKA tune has me boosting at 29lbs at 6900 RPM which im not to fond of (and neither are my pistons). I don't want to rebuild my block so ill spend the extra few hundred dollars and retune it and collect some data in the process. stay tune for updates.

[A4 TSCHUSS]

wtf 29psi that is way beyond the peak range for this turbo even on race gas. GTRS cant flow that much.

[rick1.8t]

yea im hopin my boost gauge is messed up but thats what it reads if i push it to the limit. im not on my comp right now but ill post up a pic. hmmmm actually all i got is like 25LBS with a picture. i nvr snapped the 29 lb reading. i barely reach it cuz im worried about the motor. i try not to go past 20lbs. hopefully the dyno will read out what im running and prove the boost gauge wrong.

[Jaxspeeddemon]

mika tuning is ok, i bought a gt2871elim kit back in feb 2006 and had it for a year, it was the only tuning really available at the time so everyone was pretty much forced to get it unless they were standalone , i made 265awhp running LEAN, my Air fuel ration was 14.5(the o-ring was probably letting air in) at central florida turbo in Orlando,fl . If anyone has a problem it is there horrible design HI flow intake sealed by a O-ring which mine always came lose if i shifted to hard or something of that sort. They advertise a different picture than what they sell.

[A4 TSCHUSS]

mika tuning is ok, i bought a gt2871elim kit back in feb 2006 and had it for a year, it was the only tuning really available at the time so everyone was pretty much forced to get it unless they were standalone , i made 265awhp running LEAN, my Air fuel ration was 14.5(the o-ring was probably letting air in) at central florida turbo in Orlando,fl . If anyone has a problem it is there horrible design HI flow intake sealed by a O-ring which mine always came lose if i shifted to hard or something of that sort. They advertise a different picture than what they sell.

little off topic, but im going to be moving to Jacksonville I believe in August. You live there (your sig says so atleast? If so we will have to meet up, I know a few people there but some new friends would be cool.

[diagnosticator]

wtf 29psi that is way beyond the peak range for this turbo even on race gas. GTRS cant flow that much.

2nd that!
At 29 psig boost, it's amazing it hasn't already spit a piston and conn rod out through a custom hole in the side of the block. As a few know from first hand experience, the unique sound this event makes is unlike any other engine noise, kinda like a large revolver being fired, but less "crack" tone to the heavy "POP", depending on rpms and boost pressure at the instant when it comes apart of course. Fun discussion topic, never gets boring! . ( I am not in any way implying that the stock internals are less than top quality or the design sub par or incomplete. The stock parts are in fact the best in the industry, well established fact.)

[pizdetsauduxa]

isnt greg400hpa4 @ 32psi?

[A4 TSCHUSS]

he runs 22psi daily and 24-25psi at the track on race gas. He used to run high boost around 30 with his last turbo kit (GT28RS) I don't think he always did though. But he didnt make anymore power with that kit then he does now with his 71r eliminator. Think he did like 345 range on a dynojet which is equal to his 323 on a mustang with the new kit.

[diagnosticator]

isnt greg400hpa4 @ 32psi?

I don't know, but if that the case it's not on stock cast pistons for sure.

[knightstick]

anybody running the unitronic file?

[PRY4SNO]

anybody running the unitronic file?

Oh me, me me!

But not BT :(

















yet.
















And, FWIW, I really like it.

[B6Lovin]

anybody running the unitronic file?

i am (er... will be tuesday) - i'll let you know how i like it

I'm running a 630cc MAF-less file specifically for a GTRS. The big tipping point that steered me from REVO was that the Uni file sets all readiness tests to "pass" (so i can remove SAI, evap, PCV, etc) and the timing graphs i've seen show that it makes use of MORE timing advance (in the tune), with LESS timing correction/retard (by the engine) than any other "mail-order" tune out there. Not to mention mike is the man and customer service thus far has been absolutely top-notch.

[RLB6]

The REVO 550cc file sets all readiness to pass as well. Besides, 630cc injectors are overkill for a turbo that will never flow enough to justify having them. I'm sure your idle is not as smooth either.

i am (er... will be tuesday) - i'll let you know how i like it

I'm running a 630cc MAF-less file specifically for a GTRS. The big tipping point that steered me from REVO was that the Uni file sets all readiness tests to "pass" (so i can remove SAI, evap, PCV, etc) and the timing graphs i've seen show that it makes use of MORE timing advance (in the tune), with LESS timing correction/retard (by the engine) than any other "mail-order" tune out there. Not to mention mike is the man and customer service thus far has been absolutely top-notch.

[F16HTON]

It is impossible to even get a GTRS to 29psi and the turbo is most efficient at 22psi

[B6Lovin]

It is impossible to even get a GTRS to 29psi and the turbo is most efficient at 22psi

who said anything about 29psi? or was that not directed at me?

The REVO 550cc file sets all readiness to pass as well. Besides, 630cc injectors are overkill for a turbo that will never flow enough to justify having them. I'm sure your idle is not as smooth either.

REVO definitely does NOT set them all to pass.... that's why everyone with REVO keeps trying to figure out what to do about their SAI.. if I'm wrong please show me some proof - because that would something really good to know, but I'm 100% sure that REVO only disables the readiness check for cat efficiency.

*edit* - i just noticed that you said the 550 file (i think i may be right about the 440 file...), is that something new for the new file? again, only doubting you because of what i've seen. If i'm wrong then more power to you/REVO.

Also, 630 is probably overkill for a GTRS (or any 28 series for that matter) - but it's better than having to buy new injectors again down the road, and nobody else has tried it.. so who's to say that it's any better or any worse? they wouldn't make the file if there wasn't a reason to, so I'm going to try it. If you have a problem with trying new things then by all means - stick to the bolt on kits that haven't made shit for power or run fast times. The B6 community needs things like this... We're all way too stuck in our ways (myself included until I ran into problems with my local revo dealer and made the decision to go with unitronics instead) to ever push the envelope with our cars, which is why the B5, VW, and even the B7 guys keep mopping the floor with us as far as speed is concerned.

And btw - I'm not claiming that I'm going to make an assload more power, the GTRS kinda runs outta steam where people have pushed it already. I'm saying that I think I can make that power faster, more efficiently, and for a longer period of time. Let's wait for the dyno and time slips before we all pass judgement. I may be horribly wrong, but we won't know until someone (me) tries.

I'll definitely report back with what i find out.

and in the mean time -- i've got some Delphi 440's and a SPS 3 FS. lol

[RLB6]

And btw - I'm not claiming that I'm going to make an assload more power, the GTRS kinda runs outta steam where people have pushed it already. I'm saying that I think I can make that power faster, more efficiently, and for a longer period of time.

Not trying to pop a hole in your balloon but I seriously doubt you'll get anymore power out of the GTRS setup than everyone else has already done. Only way you're gonna benefit from the Uni and 630's is by getting a 30 series turbo.

Oh, and upgraded rods to keep the motor intact.

[A4 TSCHUSS]

who said anything about 29psi? or was that not directed at me?



REVO definitely does NOT set them all to pass.... that's why everyone with REVO keeps trying to figure out what to do about their SAI.. if I'm wrong please show me some proof - because that would something really good to know, but I'm 100% sure that REVO only disables the readiness check for cat efficiency.

*edit* - i just noticed that you said the 550 file (i think i may be right about the 440 file...), is that something new for the new file? again, only doubting you because of what i've seen. If i'm wrong then more power to you/REVO.

Also, 630 is probably overkill for a GTRS (or any 28 series for that matter) - but it's better than having to buy new injectors again down the road, and nobody else has tried it.. so who's to say that it's any better or any worse? they wouldn't make the file if there wasn't a reason to, so I'm going to try it. If you have a problem with trying new things then by all means - stick to the bolt on kits that haven't made shit for power or run fast times. The B6 community needs things like this... We're all way too stuck in our ways (myself included until I ran into problems with my local revo dealer and made the decision to go with unitronics instead) to ever push the envelope with our cars, which is why the B5, VW, and even the B7 guys keep mopping the floor with us as far as speed is concerned.

And btw - I'm not claiming that I'm going to make an assload more power, the GTRS kinda runs outta steam where people have pushed it already. I'm saying that I think I can make that power faster, more efficiently, and for a longer period of time. Let's wait for the dyno and time slips before we all pass judgement. I may be horribly wrong, but we won't know until someone (me) tries.

I'll definitely report back with what i find out.

and in the mean time -- i've got some Delphi 440's and a SPS 3 FS. lol

good luck, can't wait to see your dyno graphs and 1/4 times and traps. But I have this funny feeling that im not gonna be really surprised with what you bring back for us. O yeah, and good luck with your mission of "fastest owner driven 1/4" because you're gonna need it

[B6Lovin]

Not trying to pop a hole in your balloon but I seriously doubt you'll get anymore power out of the GTRS setup than everyone else has already done. Only way you're gonna benefit from the Uni and 630's is by getting a 30 series turbo.

Oh, and upgraded rods to keep the motor intact.

i know these things -- and i actually think i already said that first part....

good luck, can't wait to see your dyno graphs and 1/4 times and traps. But I have this funny feeling that im not gonna be really surprised with what you bring back for us. O yeah, and good luck with your mission of "fastest owner driven 1/4" because you're gonna need it

lol, me too. I'm hoping i can surprise myself. this has turned more into an experiment than anything. After riding in a couple unitronics BT cars, and looking at several graphs, I'm pretty convinced that it's the way to go vs. REVO. (GIAC and APR were never really options in my mind, for various reasons. both are good kits, just not what i'm looking for

your record will be broken by next fall (if not this summer) - that much i promise. hahaha I just might have to get a little extreme with it. (we'll see what happens. it's gonna be a LONG next few months.)