Pulling the trigger on Water/Meth

[A4ORCE07]

On USRT's site they have 2 different kits - boost cooler 1 & 2. Which should I get for a maxed K04 setup? I have APR programming and I don't tweak the timing or boost settings at all, will I see any performance gains? From what I've read its not enough to run the 100 file on 93, is that correct? Should both nozzles be 175? Shed some light on this for me. Thanks

[audikid66]

i wnana know also... i was told by awe tuning that mith meth u can run race file

[A4ORCE07]

Good Morning.

[mtbrider]

When you say both nozzles are you planning on going with a dual nozzle set-up? As far as which one to buy I'd go with the Boost cooler 2 since it comes with a controller that is user friendly

[A4ORCE07]

Yep, dual nozzles. I'm going to call USRT tommorrow and talk to them. I was just curious about performance gains since I DO NOT play around with timing and boost. I was under the impression that the ER sport is sufficent enough cooling for a K04 application. If I could run the 100 oct file on 93 then good I'll get it. However, if the program cannot self adapt to the water/meth and pull timing on its own then I wonder whats the point

[AudiA4_20T]

Think about it this way, if you had CFs in the 3s and with the W/M theyre all 0s, you just gained 3 degrees of timing. So yes, it does help. I have seen it with my logging. For you, I would run a water-heavy mix because water is the stuff that suppresses detonation

[A4ORCE07]

So then the program will adjust itself, yes? or is that only if I ran the 100 file on 93?

[A4ringedONE8T]

100 file on 93 will yield too high of CF's. With APR K04, run the normal 93 file and add 6 degree's with lemmiwinks. That should get you to the max timing possible with the meth. Obviously log and verify with your car! Dual 175cc nozzles is too much. I ran a single 175cc nozzle and it was perfect from my logs and experiences. A single 275 was too much, you could try a bit more than 175 but I wouldnt go over 200-225 total

[A4ORCE07]

I don't have Lemmiwinks and I don't do that tweaking stuff. If I don't want to adjust timing does that make getting water/meth pointless, as far as performance gains? I also don't log the car. I just want a performance increase where I can just turn the key and drive.

[A4ringedONE8T]

Dont waste your time then ...

[audikid66]

a4ringed18t- im not doubting what ur saying tht the race file isnt enuff for meth.. but i have been told by numerous tuners and also giac themselves that with meth u can run the race file.. u had apr maybe that is diff then giac since giac is a more aggressive tune

[F16HTON]

Think about it this way, if you had CFs in the 3s and with the W/M theyre all 0s, you just gained 3 degrees of timing. So yes, it does help. I have seen it with my logging. For you, I would run a water-heavy mix because water is the stuff that suppresses detonation

This is totally incorrect...

You do not gain any timing whatosever, it is just not retarded momentarily. If you look at the logs that use H20/Meth the BTDC timing is the same for the cars that do not run it.

You are adding a non combustible mixture to the air/fuel mixture, the combustion that takes place is less powerful, thus you make lees power/torque than you would if you were running straight fuel.

[dirtybrd]

On USRT's site they have 2 different kits - boost cooler 1 & 2. Which should I get for a maxed K04 setup? I have APR programming and I don't tweak the timing or boost settings at all, will I see any performance gains? From what I've read its not enough to run the 100 file on 93, is that correct? Should both nozzles be 175? Shed some light on this for me. Thanks

I bought this one.
http://www.enginerunup.com/shop.php/...d-kit/p_8.html

[A4ringedONE8T]

This is totally incorrect...

You do not gain any timing whatosever, it is just not retarded momentarily. If you look at the logs that use H20/Meth the BTDC timing is the same for the cars that do not run it.

You are adding a non combustible mixture to the air/fuel mixture, the combustion that takes place is less powerful, thus you make lees power/torque than you would if you were running straight fuel.

Straight meth is combustible

[A4ringedONE8T]

a4ringed18t- im not doubting what ur saying tht the race file isnt enuff for meth.. but i have been told by numerous tuners and also giac themselves that with meth u can run the race file.. u had apr maybe that is diff then giac since giac is a more aggressive tune

And they are telling you things they have been told, trust me, they have not tried it themselves! I have ran meth with 3 different turbo's now on APR and REVO and none of them have I been able to run the same tune as I can on straight 100 octane. I am running pretty much straight methanol (which is combustible) now with the 3071R and STILL can not run near as much timing as race fuel!

[F16HTON]

Straight meth is combustible

Correct...

Adrian has prolly gone over all of the benefits of it with you too. Works great with SEM I think it would be hard for me to get David to have a Meth injection file written though.