**New Kinetic 1.8T Turbo Manifold T3 flanged**

[Clay @ Kinetic]

Here are a few of the spy shots for those of you that haven't seen them yet:




More pics to come tomorrow along with dimensions, excuse the camera phone pics, they are spy shots

[Clay @ Kinetic]

It looks like the B6 guys prefer log manifolds over the tubular style manifolds that actually flow well.

[absolutegtr]

Out of curiosity: What is the point of using studs? Obviously they can be tightened more, but is there any benefit besides that? To me they are just another PITA

[_audible_]

any shots of one installed with the turbo mounted?

[apexslider]

any shots of one installed with the turbo mounted?

+1

what kind of warranty is it going to come with

[vdubstreets]

Out of curiosity: What is the point of using studs? Obviously they can be tightened more, but is there any benefit besides that? To me they are just another PITA

i would assume its easier to allign correctly too.

[dougyfresh]

Out of curiosity: What is the point of using studs? Obviously they can be tightened more, but is there any benefit besides that? To me they are just another PITA

I know on my GT28RS there is no room to get a bolt on the flange. Studs are a must. And locking nuts are a must. I'm constantly tightening up the nuts because the once on there now are non-locking. PITFA. I can't wait until the motor swap and I can put the correct hardware in.

[absolutegtr]

i would assume its easier to allign correctly too.

I guess sooo.....but still you could just do that with a bolt....

[DenverNoob]

It looks like the B6 guys prefer log manifolds over the tubular style manifolds that actually flow well.

there are a couple of factors that keep the "log" style manifolds more popular than tubular. One is cost vs. benefit. Cast manifolds are a fraction of the cost of tubular (a properly manufactured manifold at least..not one of the chinese ebay specials)...1/2 price difference if not more in many cases vs. fairly limited benefit in regard to cost. A properly designed "logifold" can still flow quite well. Additionally, the heat retained in the cast manifild setup can help to light up larger turbos faster in some cases (which of course is a problem in such a small displacement motor)...and though top end can suffer to a degree...lets be honest here...this is a 1.8l motor (2.0 at best) and drivability hinges on turbos spooling in these things.

lastly there is a tangible space issue on the b6 1.8 vs. its b5 counterpart. Xenon headlights take up substantial room (bi-xeneon even more) and the space necessary for a complete equal length manifold plus turbo(and possibly a wastegate) plus intake (possibly MAF) and otherwise also take up subtantial room. The frame rail is higher and more in the way than the b5 additionally...so space is really at a premium.

I am not belittleing the potential benefit of a tubular manifold, but the cost, space, and overall net gain may not be worth it to the majority of the b6 community.

[apexslider]

there are a couple of factors that keep the "log" style manifolds more popular than tubular. One is cost vs. benefit. Cast manifolds are a fraction of the cost of tubular (a properly manufactured manifold at least..not one of the chinese ebay specials)...1/2 price difference if not more in many cases vs. fairly limited benefit in regard to cost. A properly designed "logifold" can still flow quite well. Additionally, the heat retained in the cast manifild setup can help to light up larger turbos faster in some cases (which of course is a problem in such a small displacement motor)...and though top end can suffer to a degree...lets be honest here...this is a 1.8l motor (2.0 at best) and drivability hinges on turbos spooling in these things.

lastly there is a tangible space issue on the b6 1.8 vs. its b5 counterpart. Xenon headlights take up substantial room (bi-xeneon even more) and the space necessary for a complete equal length manifold plus turbo(and possibly a wastegate) plus intake (possibly MAF) and otherwise also take up subtantial room. The frame rail is higher and more in the way than the b5 additionally...so space is really at a premium.

I am not belittleing the potential benefit of a tubular manifold, but the cost, space, and overall net gain may not be worth it to the majority of the b6 community.

Well said. Some pictures of this manifold on a B6 with the turbo and intake would be nice. It could answer a few questions I have...

[A4TUNE]

price range?

[eg6siR]

tubular top mount is the way to go... i am currently making my own tubular top mount, when its done and I'm happy with it i will make anyone from the forum one at a good cost.... not trying to hate on the cast manifold but they dont flow well and they crack... to many inconsistencies in the metal...

[NYCVR6]

there are a couple of factors that keep the "log" style manifolds more popular than tubular. One is cost vs. benefit. Cast manifolds are a fraction of the cost of tubular (a properly manufactured manifold at least..not one of the chinese ebay specials)...1/2 price difference if not more in many cases vs. fairly limited benefit in regard to cost.
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I am not belittleing the potential benefit of a tubular manifold, but the cost, space, and overall net gain may not be worth it to the majority of the b6 community.

How about a cast tubular manifold like the one posted above by my good friend Clayton? Is everyone blind here?

[DenverNoob]

How about a cast tubular manifold like the one posted above by my good friend Clayton? Is everyone blind here?

a "tubular" manifold is one produced by taking pices of stainless steel (or other metal) and welding it together in such a manner that it creates a manifold...not taking metal, pouring it into a cast, and hence having another type of manifold commonly (in forum speak) refered to as a "log" type manifold. even log manifold have round or "tubular" tracks. a true tubular manifild is also an equal length manifild, a term meaning that each tube is exactly the same length from end to end...meaning the exhaust from each cyl runs the exact same length, and hence retains its pulse pattern as it exits the motor with little/no interference....hence enhancing overall exhaust flow. havong said that...a turbo in the mix will disrupt that pattern completely (and thus making most tubular equal length manifolds a fairly mute point....FAIRLY....in these cars).

pls learn nomenclature prior to posting...thx.

[zemun2]

I say that once turbo is mounted on this manifold it will never clear the aluminum engine mount..
Thats why APR, ATP and stock manifold are all having turbos move forward (toward headlight), and not like this one in the middle...

Pagparts had this kinda manifold for some 2+ years and Arnold him self told me it will not fit Longitudinal engine...
Pagparts has them in T3 and T25 flanges and both internal and external wastegate configuration..

Thats why you will never see pictures of it installed.

[DenverNoob]

I say that once turbo is mounted on this manifold it will never clear the aluminum engine mount..
Thats why APR, ATP and stock manifold are all having turbos move forward (toward headlight), and not like this one in the middle...

Pagparts had this kinda manifold for some 2+ years and Arnold him self told me it will not fit Longitudinal engine...
Pagparts has them in T3 and T25 flanges and both internal and external manifold configuration..

Thats why you will never see pictures of it installed.

very true. top or offset to the side manifolds seem to be the best bet, but many of those are as-of-yet untested as well...despite their labeling as "longitudinal" manifolds. such a limited space to deal with really...

lots of intersting options out there still with a top or offset sidemount application for long...but only tested in many cases on b5 which doesnt necesarilly help us all that much.

[A4TUNE]

a "tubular" manifold is one produced by taking pices of stainless steel (or other metal) and welding it together in such a manner that it creates a manifold...not taking metal, pouring it into a cast, and hence having another type of manifold commonly (in forum speak) refered to as a "log" type manifold. even log manifold have round or "tubular" tracks. a true tubular manifild is also an equal length manifild, a term meaning that each tube is exactly the same length from end to end...meaning the exhaust from each cyl runs the exact same length, and hence retains its pulse pattern as it exits the motor with little/no interference....hence enhancing overall exhaust flow. havong said that...a turbo in the mix will disrupt that pattern completely (and thus making most tubular equal length manifolds a fairly mute point....FAIRLY....in these cars).

pls learn nomenclature prior to posting...thx.

pls learn english before posting...thx.

referred*
manifold*
having*
"moot point" not "mute point"!

I'm just playin man, you seem to know a lot about cars .

[DenverNoob]

pls learn english before posting...thx.

referred*
manifold*
having*
"moot point" not "mute point"!

I'm just playin man, you seem to know a lot about cars .

lol...no worries...im at work and didnt edit a thing....my oops!

cheers!

kind of hard to make a point when you spell half of it wrong....lol.

[Four Play]

a "tubular" manifold is one produced by taking pices of stainless steel (or other metal) and welding it together in such a manner that it creates a manifold...not taking metal, pouring it into a cast, and hence having another type of manifold commonly (in forum speak) refered to as a "log" type manifold. even log manifold have round or "tubular" tracks. a true tubular manifild is also an equal length manifild, a term meaning that each tube is exactly the same length from end to end...meaning the exhaust from each cyl runs the exact same length, and hence retains its pulse pattern as it exits the motor with little/no interference....hence enhancing overall exhaust flow. havong said that...a turbo in the mix will disrupt that pattern completely (and thus making most tubular equal length manifolds a fairly mute point....FAIRLY....in these cars).

pls learn nomenclature prior to posting...thx.

[Clay @ Kinetic]

taking metal, pouring it into a cast, and hence having another type of manifold commonly (in forum speak) refered to as a "log" type manifold.

It seems that you're implying that all cast manifolds are log manifolds.




This is the closest thing you're every going to see to a cast equal length manifold, it has a pronounced merge collector in it. This manifold is a top mount, not bottom mount, here it is mounted on a transverse 1.8T.

[Clay @ Kinetic]

a "tubular" manifold is one produced by taking pices of stainless steel (or other metal) and welding it together in such a manner that it creates a manifold...not taking metal, pouring it into a cast, and hence having another type of manifold commonly (in forum speak) refered to as a "log" type manifold. even log manifold have round or "tubular" tracks. a true tubular manifild is also an equal length manifild, a term meaning that each tube is exactly the same length from end to end...meaning the exhaust from each cyl runs the exact same length, and hence retains its pulse pattern as it exits the motor with little/no interference....hence enhancing overall exhaust flow. havong said that...a turbo in the mix will disrupt that pattern completely (and thus making most tubular equal length manifolds a fairly mute point....FAIRLY....in these cars).

pls learn nomenclature prior to posting...thx.

NYC is very familiar with turbos, he built a 10 second VR6T, and currently has a full weight S4 that runs mid 11s and soon to be 10s. We're both very familiar with how exhaust pulses work, no need to lecture unless you're trying to make yourself look smart.

We designed this manifold with a pronounced merge collector (not pictured), to address the exact points you outlined above.

[DenverNoob]

NYC is very familiar with turbos, he built a 10 second VR6T, and currently has a full weight S4 that runs mid 11s and soon to be 10s. We're both very familiar with how exhaust pulses work, no need to lecture unless you're trying to make yourself look smart.

We designed this manifold with a pronounced merge collector (not pictured), to address the exact points you outlined above.

wasnt trying to make myself look smart in the least...when i first read his post, i didnt see (due to work) the smiley...addressed the issue further down the thread...all is well. I'll also add that in the grand scheme of things, though I have taken great efforts to learn a LOT...I am still a young padwan learner (lame star wars reference) when it comes to engines...I learn something new (and relevent) daily...but its a lot to take in when this isnt my profession. I have focussed my efforts specifically on b6 and 1.8t since it is my personal area of interest (especially the ME7 ECU and its interaction with the 1.8t vs. previous generations of ECU)...but at the end of the day I am no overall expert. I can say when I am a "why" person...i dont just throw $$ at my motor without doing the research prior to the expenditure.

any reason you didnt post pics of said collector? not knocking ur new product by any means as this piece is very interesting to me...and I am well aware of nearly equal length cast manifolds...SPA turbo has a fine example that recently came to market...top mount, low-angle exit, etc. its a hefty piece at 14lbs-ish...but seemingly a good design and they've been in the game for quite some time. Any additional info you could provide on the new piece (especially regarding fittment and turbo placement) would be greatly appreciated if you are so inclined.

TIA
-Ted

[AudiHere04]

Thanks for the pics and info clay...keep it comming.
any release date? projected price range? also pics on a b6 would prob help, but i know all these request are a bit of a stretch.

[apexslider]

Thanks for the pics and info clay...keep it comming.
any release date? projected price range? also pics on a b6 would prob help, but i know all these request are a bit of a stretch.

I wouldn't say its a stretch...for those of us in the market, that's all required information.

[dougyfresh]

$395USD shipped for the first 10
$495USD shipped for the other 1000 we're going to sell

HPC thermal coating is an additional $55 on the first 10 and 80 thereafter



I've got one that I'm going to take more pics of tomorrow

Its in the B5 thread on this topic: http://audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=200953

[AudiHere04]

ko0l...when i see pics on a b6 i will decide then.

[Clay @ Kinetic]

wasnt trying to make myself look smart in the least...when i first read his post, i didnt see (due to work) the smiley...addressed the issue further down the thread...all is well. I'll also add that in the grand scheme of things, though I have taken great efforts to learn a LOT...I am still a young padwan learner (lame star wars reference) when it comes to engines...I learn something new (and relevent) daily...but its a lot to take in when this isnt my profession. I have focussed my efforts specifically on b6 and 1.8t since it is my personal area of interest (especially the ME7 ECU and its interaction with the 1.8t vs. previous generations of ECU)...but at the end of the day I am no overall expert. I can say when I am a "why" person...i dont just throw $$ at my motor without doing the research prior to the expenditure.


any reason you didnt post pics of said collector? not knocking ur new product by any means as this piece is very interesting to me...and I am well aware of nearly equal length cast manifolds...SPA turbo has a fine example that recently came to market...top mount, low-angle exit, etc. its a hefty piece at 14lbs-ish...but seemingly a good design and they've been in the game for quite some time. Any additional info you could provide on the new piece (especially regarding fittment and turbo placement) would be greatly appreciated if you are so inclined.

TIA
-Ted

No problem, at least you're learning, there are more than a few on the forums that should take the knowledge aquisition road you've taken.


These manifolds came in at 5:30pm, and the owner actually shot these pics with his camera phone and emailed them to me, and I posted them shortly after. I picked one of the mani's up a day or two later and its in the trunk of my s4, but I'm a bit tired from working my CPA day job (accounting- tax season means 6 days @ 10hrs per day of work per week) to take pics and host them.

I'll try to get some pics posted sometime this weekend

I believe all the manifolds have passed quality control and should be for sale very soon, if anyone is interested feel free to PM me

[apexslider]

get some pics with a GT30 bolted up!

[Clay @ Kinetic]

get some pics with a GT30 bolted up!

Workin on it! Hopefully its good to go