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    Stage 1+ Sucks.....

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    Is there a reason why Stage 1+ sucks for me?

    Im only holding about 17 pounds of boost....I was holding 16 on Stage 1....


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    Re: Stage 1+ Sucks.....

    possible boost leak.....what boost do you spike at?

    whats your vaccuum like?
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    Re: Stage 1+ Sucks.....

    Log the car.
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    Re: Stage 1+ Sucks.....

    Quote Originally Posted by absolutegtr View Post
    possible boost leak.....what boost do you spike at?

    whats your vaccuum like?
    spike around 19 tops.

    vac around 18-20

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    Re: Stage 1+ Sucks.....

    ^^ ur supposed to get 21 spike if i'm not mistaken and hold 18-19! mine hauls some serious ass!!!!! and i'm auto!
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    Re: Stage 1+ Sucks.....

    How long does it take to adapt??? I just updated today....

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    Re: Stage 1+ Sucks.....

    Quote Originally Posted by audipotential View Post
    How long does it take to adapt??? I just updated today....
    Give it 2-3 days. If you want to log give me a shout.
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    Re: Stage 1+ Sucks.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Tgr_Clw View Post
    Give it 2-3 days. If you want to log give me a shout.
    Ok I'll report back and let you guys know.

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    Re: Stage 1+ Sucks.....

    give your car ~100 miles to get used to it
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    Re: Stage 1+ Sucks.....

    genius that would've helped! full power comes in at around a 100 miles wow! HAHAHA get ready to see the balls of the 1.8t! ok don't dog me here 1+ is still faster than 85% of the A4's on the road!
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    Re: Stage 1+ Sucks.....

    hey audipotential are you planning on upgrading your intercooler.
    I'm getting my stage 1+ in a few weeks and wondering if an Apikol or fmic is worth it for stage 1+
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    Re: Stage 1+ Sucks.....

    I forgot to mention that im an outside sales rep so I probably drove around 150 Km's today. heck its 40 minutes just to my apr dealer

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    Re: Stage 1+ Sucks.....

    Quote Originally Posted by FourRings80 View Post
    ^ are you planning on upgrading your intercooler.
    I'm getting my stage 1+ in a few weeks and wondering if an Apikol or fmic is worth it for stage 1+
    I plan to go for an ebay kit.

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    Re: Stage 1+ Sucks.....

    ^^ don't! they suck some serious balls! search up on here! get an Apikol SMIC for like$500 and u'll be set!
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    Re: Stage 1+ Sucks.....

    ask papachristou he says the best thing he did was put an fmic on his car!
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    Re: Stage 1+ Sucks.....

    Quote Originally Posted by AudiA4Turbo22 View Post
    ^^ don't! they suck some serious balls! search up on here! get an Apikol SMIC for like$500 and u'll be set!
    Every search result I have come across has given me good results. You just need to get the proper piping.


    Either way I dont think a side mount is the answer

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    Re: Stage 1+ Sucks.....

    Quote Originally Posted by AudiA4Turbo22 View Post
    ask papachristou he says the best thing he did was put an fmic on his car!
    Oh trust me I know. I like reading his FMIC posts. But I dont have an interest in spending 800 bucks on an intercooler.

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    Re: Stage 1+ Sucks.....

    do you have a boost leak checker?
    i highly recommend making one if you dont - mine cost me about 8 bucks to make with crap from lowes. (already had the glue) there's a writeup on a4mods
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    Re: Stage 1+ Sucks.....

    Quote Originally Posted by audipotential View Post
    Oh trust me I know. I like reading his FMIC posts. But I dont have an interest in spending 800 bucks on an intercooler.
    ebay will be fine. something lots of people don't realize is that if you're not going for an absolutely balls out setup like shawn, mike, winston, etc. is that you don't have to drop serious money on an intercooler...

    it's like exhaust -- when you get down to it... the only thing that matters is getting good pipes/bends, and making sure you install correctly. (a good core is easy to come by VERY cheap if you look.. even name brand)

    i spent a day just measuring, re-measuring, cutting, trimming, fitting, taking apart, refitting etc on my IC pipes and I couldn't be happier. I wouldn't say my car is noticeably faster... but it's definitely not losing power like it was. (on the dyno i lost almost 15 hp between runs with a 5 min cool down which included an extra fan and a water sprayer... this is a totally stock engine)

    i'm probably losing about 1 psi... because i've noticed the car doesn't surge nearly as hard as it did - but I lose/win against my friends' cars just the same as i did - so no real performance hit.
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    Re: Stage 1+ Sucks.....

    i think a SMIC would be sufficient if you have up to a K04
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    Re: Stage 1+ Sucks.....

    FMIC is the most effective way to cool that intake air. Spending alot of $$ usually gets you a quality kit, ready to bolt up. However, with some fabrication knowledge and the right tools, a great setup can be made from scratch, without spending so much. Just make sure you buy quality components and have the know-how to fab it yourself. There are affordable/quality parts everywhere on the net, you just have to find them.

    They basically make the big $$ because they make it easier for you.

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    Re: Stage 1+ Sucks.....

    Quote Originally Posted by plowman View Post
    FMIC is the most effective way to cool that intake air. Spending alot of $$ usually gets you a quality kit, ready to bolt up. However, with some fabrication knowledge and the right tools, a great setup can be made from scratch, without spending so much. Just make sure you buy quality components and have the know-how to fab it yourself. There are affordable/quality parts everywhere on the net, you just have to find them.

    They basically make the big $$ because they make it easier for you.
    amen.
    getting the pipes right is a total bitch. make sure you get some tight radius U bends along with a generic piping kit.... you're gonna have to cut pipes mid-bend to get a really nice fit. even then you're gonna be hard-pressed to get it close enough that you can keep your fogs.

    actually - if you want to keep your fogs... you're going to probably HAVE to weld the pipes up - so keep that in mind. i dont even want to think about how much more work it would take me to get all that right with couplers..... oi...
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    Re: Stage 1+ Sucks.....

    Quote Originally Posted by B6Lovin View Post
    amen.
    getting the pipes right is a total bitch. make sure you get some tight radius U bends along with a generic piping kit.... you're gonna have to cut pipes mid-bend to get a really nice fit. even then you're gonna be hard-pressed to get it close enough that you can keep your fogs.

    actually - if you want to keep your fogs... you're going to probably HAVE to weld the pipes up - so keep that in mind. i dont even want to think about how much more work it would take me to get all that right with couplers..... oi...
    I was planning to have a GTG at my place when I get the FMIC so people have a real life DIY and so that I can get insight on piping lol!

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    Re: Stage 1+ Sucks.....

    ^ good to know i Just bought injectors for 200 on here also and get here tommorrow. Glad you posted this topic already.
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    Re: Stage 1+ Sucks.....

    Quote Originally Posted by jcg05c View Post
    ^ good to know i Just bought injectors for 200 on here also and get here tommorrow. Glad you posted this topic already.
    Be careful when installing. There was much more fuel in the fuel rail then I thought there would be.

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    Re: Stage 1+ Sucks.....

    to be honest with u it is worth it jus to spend the extra bucks on a kit.. i have the racetec front mount and its one of the cheapr ones and the fit was perfect.. i rther pay double the cash to not hafta worry bout it fitting like crap and havin to mesure cut weld remeasure blah blah all that... guess it all depends on how u are..some people like doin that custom fab stuff so then if so go for it is a lot cheaper and if u like it then its a score.. i personally hate it so easier the better for me :) an yea fmic is a great mod.. u can go run after run after run and still pull great
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    Re: Stage 1+ Sucks.....

    Quote Originally Posted by audikid66 View Post
    to be honest with u it is worth it jus to spend the extra bucks on a kit.. i have the racetec front mount and its one of the cheapr ones and the fit was perfect.. i rther pay double the cash to not hafta worry bout it fitting like crap and havin to mesure cut weld remeasure blah blah all that... guess it all depends on how u are..some people like doin that custom fab stuff so then if so go for it is a lot cheaper and if u like it then its a score.. i personally hate it so easier the better for me :) an yea fmic is a great mod.. u can go run after run after run and still pull great
    It does depend. Some people are capable of DIY projects, some arent. I try and help people in my area when they try and do DIY but dont quite know how.


    For me to pay an extra 4-500 dollars, doesnt work out. Ive read even the high end kits have fitment issues. So id rather pay myself the 500 dollars for labour and install

    And generally. Im cheap.
    For intake, I did a DIY Intake
    For exhaust, bought it on sale
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    Apr+1, installed injectors in parking lot to save the 80 bucks.
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    Re: Stage 1+ Sucks.....

    Hey maybe why you dont feel much more on your injectors is because you didnt get reflashed. Did you get reflashed after you installed the injectors?
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    Re: Stage 1+ Sucks.....

    Quote Originally Posted by jcg05c View Post
    Hey maybe why you dont feel much more on your injectors is because you didnt get reflashed. Did you get reflashed after you installed the injectors?
    If you dont get reflashed after the injectors, the car will run rich and start stuttering and dying as if it had a blown coil. Its not pretty. Thats how it was when I intalled the injectors in the lot and they brought it in to be flashed.

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    Re: Stage 1+ Sucks.....

    Quote Originally Posted by audipotential View Post
    If you dont get reflashed after the injectors, the car will run rich and start stuttering and dying as if it had a blown coil. Its not pretty. Thats how it was when I intalled the injectors in the lot and they brought it in to be flashed.


    I did the same but did not have the same result. the TT225s ran just fine to the shop without software... as long as you are easy you should not be sputtering
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    Re: Stage 1+ Sucks.....

    Quote Originally Posted by martini View Post
    I did the same but did not have the same result. the TT225s ran just fine to the shop without software... as long as you are easy you should not be sputtering
    It wasnt me driving it in. I could hear him boosting too because of the loud diverter blow off. it was only like a 5 second drive. I guess he didnt know how to drive.

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    Re: Stage 1+ Sucks.....

    Quote Originally Posted by martini View Post
    I did the same but did not have the same result. the TT225s ran just fine to the shop without software... as long as you are easy you should not be sputtering
    Martini,
    I followed your guide on the injector replacement. One of the metal clip things flew off and I couldnt find it anymore. The guy at the dealer said "The injector might fly off so go get a new clip.

    But the rail is firmly holding the injectors down. how could it fly off??

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    Re: Stage 1+ Sucks.....

    Quote Originally Posted by audipotential View Post
    How long does it take to adapt??? I just updated today....
    you have a boost leak or failed DV... i went on my test drive, snatched second gear out of the parking lot and peaked 23lbs boost, i usually hold 19/20lbs... by third gear peak, my APR R1 DV failed and then i was in the same boat as you, i only peaked about 17/18lbs... i thought it was a leak but it ended up being my brand new defective R1
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    Re: Stage 1+ Sucks.....

    ^man thoughs new Dv seem to be really fucking up on everyone.
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    Re: Stage 1+ Sucks.....

    thoughs? you mean 'those'. lol, sorry that's just the first time I've seen that one.

    Nothing works like a good ole Forge or Baileys. Piston DVs FTW.

    Quote Originally Posted by jcg05c View Post
    ^man thoughs new Dv seem to be really fucking up on everyone.

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    Re: Stage 1+ Sucks.....

    Ok now, today Im holding about 19 But not very much spike...

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    Re: Stage 1+ Sucks.....

    Quote Originally Posted by audipotential View Post
    How long does it take to adapt??? I just updated today....

    I just got today the apr stage 1 free trial.......Holy S**t do I love it .
    (I know It will seem slow after a while), anyways the guy at the shop said the "time to adapt" is complete BS. Apr and Neuspeed take 0 time.

    Can't wait for my tt225 injectors . stage 1+ for me
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    Re: Stage 1+ Sucks.....

    Quote Originally Posted by FourRings80 View Post
    I just got today the apr stage 1 free trial.......Holy S**t do I love it .
    (I know It will seem slow after a while), anyways the guy at the shop said the "time to adapt" is complete BS. Apr and Neuspeed take 0 time.

    Can't wait for my tt225 injectors . stage 1+ for mr
    One thing I'll say. The torque is pretty great lol

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    Re: Stage 1+ Sucks.....

    NOT bs IT DOES TAKE TIME TO ADAPT I NOTICED A BIG DIFFERENCE AFTER A 100 MILES!
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    Re: Stage 1+ Sucks.....

    Time to adapt isn't BS...

    Your ECU can't just all the sudden take the changes in and properly adapt instantly. I think it should takes some miles and different driving for it to fully take effect.

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