JHM FMIC Kit getting closer to becoming a reality

[jaybquick@JHM]

I mentioned this kit back in September of last year and have been too busy to get back to it. I just finished the final prototype for the JHM FMIC that fits behind the stock bumper(with some cutting and massaging of course). You basically haveve to remove half of the bumper support between the mount brackets and eliminate your headlight squirters. So unless you need your headlight squirters or are worried about taking a pole right to the center between the bumper brackets you should be fine. Like many mods, you have to sacrifice something for performance. I based this kit on the low cost and successful Ebay core as well. Dan and I both ran this core in our cars during our record setting K03 and K04 runs. http://jhmotorsports.com/projects. I just wanted to put it in a comprehensive kit with instructions (really needed for all the bumper mods), mount brackets and an optional electric fan kit.

I will also just sell the piping kit separately to those who have pieced their own kits together and are struggling with hoses blowing off or boost leaks or just want a cleaner look.

Being that we save money by using the Ebay core in our kit we will be able to price it very aggressivly.
Target prices are as follows. We can hopefully have this to market in a couple months depending on the headache involved in getting the pipes replicated and finalizing a bracket design.

With this front mount kit, we have found that it out performs any sidemount, works great at the drag strip and on the street. However it will work fine for Auto X and short periods of road racing, it may cause overheating if you road race in warm climates above 80f for more than 15 minutes or so. Basically it will work great for 90% of the public. If you need the best sidemounts and don't care to chop up your bumper and want your stock fog lights I sell ER sidemount intercoolers as well.

Full kit with Electric Fan Kit (with instructions) = $800
Full kit without Electric Fan Kit (with instructions) = $600
Piping Kit & Brackets only without Electric Fan Kit (with instructions) = $425
Piping Kit & Brackets only with Electric Fan Kit(with instructions) = $625

Obviously at this price the weld quality will be that of the Ebay core. I felt that there some very nice high end front mounts out there and figured some people wouldn't mind a little less cleaner welding to save some dough. Escpecially since some people have already gone this route with a pieced together 8 or more pipe setup that is leak and blow off prone.

The electric Fan kit is the high quality VAST unit. They use a Spahl fan and come with instructions, a relay,fuse, wiring, block off plate for location of old fan clutch and hardware. The instructions show you how to wire it come on automatically at 95c or with a switch (some people use the fog light wires in this case). Your choice. It is available in regular and High flow. This is recommended for hot climates and possible long idling periods in weather above 90 degrees f. I personally use this EFK on my daily driven K04 car in traffic with the A/C on and 100 degree temps and it has been fine.


THE PICS:

Here it is full installed painted black on the RS6 turbo project (customer's request) Stealthy huh? Can't reuse the OEM fog lights, but there is room for someone to mount some aftermarket ones in the same location. Or get different grill mesh.


Partially installed


Drivers side prototype pipes up close


Passenger side prototype pipes up close


Picture of the pipe kit (the actual kit only reuses the lower passenger side hose and gets rid of the restrictive drivers lower S hose) It comes with all the couplers and clamps to hook to a stock, APR, or RS4 bi-pipe. The turbo outlet pipes are 2" (same as factory) and the bi pipe inlet pipes are 2.25" (same as factory and comes with adapter couplers to hook to an RS4 bi-pipe)

[generationjdm]

why dont you send me those pipes and I will have them all bent in 1 piece for you no welding?

[lrg8683]

jay, you get the award for being the NON douche shop.. every other shop wouldn't sell the piping kit.. cheers to you sir.

[Dowskeet]

Another product from a great company. I will agree that having the piping kit is a great option that I haven never heard of companies doing. Very nice to finally see.

Cheers

[Overboostin]

Looks great! I can't wait to purchase one over the summer.

[Kruat]

Bummer about the road racing...anything I could do about that, without going ER sidemounts? Road racing is my sole purpose for building my car, I don't care for 1/4 mile or autoX.

[casawhites4]

hwhat do you mean road racing....like quick high sprints or what??? hmmm...and i want the kit now! :-D

[OWENthatsmyname]

I Want One!

[Unispeed]

Or they sell at exhorbitant prices... I used to have a Mazdaspeed protege and the piping kit for that from Turbohoses.com was about $400.00.. granted it wa alluminum but still...

Another product from a great company. I will agree that having the piping kit is a great option that I haven never heard of companies doing. Very nice to finally see.

Cheers

[infinkc]

nice, if you need another local tester let me know :) where is the ps cooler moved to?

[cjk]

Jay- what kind of pressure drop are you seeing comparing to ER's? I would think there would be more drop with the FMIC...

Would be REALLY awesome to see some back to back logs with the FMIC to compare to the ER's :)

[vladbe]

I would love this kit minus the electric fan since I have one (of course not installed yet). But my only concern is you removed the extra fan up frount and relocated the ps cooler. So without that extra fan plus the intercooler blocking the radiator will this effect daily drivability? Will it get extra hot in stop and go traffic? Also how does the ps cooler mount and where?

[WMi_S4]

Jay- what kind of pressure drop are you seeing comparing to ER's? I would think there would be more drop with the FMIC...

Would be REALLY awesome to see some back to back logs with the FMIC to compare to the ER's :)

2nd this. which is better, ERs or your FMIC??? I don't care about price.....

[generationjdm]

I think it comes down to a few things, for road racing ERS hands down. For drag racing the ebay IC, Pressure drop will be much higher on the ebay IC being much larger with a lot more and larger piping.. It all comes down to your application in the end.. I think Jay will agree

[OWENthatsmyname]

i like this kit, looks good. i just want something to give my car more pep on highway bombing

[nizmosx]

i see overheating issues in traffic if anyone buys this kit without the electric fan. so i encourage the use of the electric fan. Great pricing and nice kit jay.

i definitely like the stealth black approach.

[AB18]

So jay, with these pipes, no problems keeping the grills in? Thats the only thing that was keeping me back, was not being able to keep the stock grills.

[jaybquick@JHM]

why dont you send me those pipes and I will have them all bent in 1 piece for you no welding?

They have some really tight bends near the end. I got a china connection that can make me some welded ones for next to nothing. I personally have made all my products locally in the states but 90% of the products out there are made out of the country and I felt that was the best way to have low price alternative. They have some compound angles as well. I think bending would be very difficult and expensive. Like I said there are plenty of pricey alternatives I am trying to offer a less expensive one. Our RS6 car seems to be running great with the welded prototypes I hand made (and I suck at welding). Unfortunately there is always a better way, I am just trying to help out the people with less dough.

jay, you get the award for being the NON douche shop.. every other shop wouldn't sell the piping kit.. cheers to you sir.

Do I get a Plaque I can put on my wall in my office. I would love that.

Another product from a great company. I will agree that having the piping kit is a great option that I haven never heard of companies doing. Very nice to finally see.

Cheers

Like I have said before I am enthusiast first. I started my business just because there were certain products (namely the shifters) that didn't meet my quality standards (coming from 12 years with mustangs). I want to help people have options, build fast and cool cars and make a little dough in the process.

Looks great! I can't wait to purchase one over the summer.

I will keep everyone updated.

I would love this kit minus the electric fan since I have one (of course not installed yet). But my only concern is you removed the extra fan up frount and relocated the ps cooler. So without that extra fan plus the intercooler blocking the radiator will this effect daily drivability? Will it get extra hot in stop and go traffic? Also how does the ps cooler mount and where?

Dan and I both live in CA and dan actually drove around for a summer with this FMIC core in CA 100 plus temps without the fan or EFK and he was ok. I am offering the Electric Fan Kit as an insurance policy for sitting in stop and go. I have had this core and EFK on my car for a while as well. We have taken our time with it for this reason. As for the PS cooler, I just have mine stuffed between the FMIC and rad. Probably not the best. When I decide to road race it a little I will get a cooler that I can put on the Drivers side where the old SMIC went, that is what Dan did. A cooler is like $40. I will eventually probably offer that as well as an option.

Bummer about the road racing...anything I could do about that, without going ER sidemounts? Road racing is my sole purpose for building my car, I don't care for 1/4 mile or autoX.

ER sidemounts would be the best for road racing IMO. I have talked to Fred over there about his Front Mount Kit. They are working on a really nice one with a new Radiator and extra ducting for road racers. But I believe it is double the price. Bottom line if you are a Road Racer, I would recommend ER sidemounts and eventually the ER FMIC when they finish it. Their products are top notch and geared for road racers.

nice, if you need another local tester let me know :) where is the ps cooler moved to?

It can be put between the FMIC and the rad or just get a $40 cooler and place it on the drivers side where one of the old side mounts went. I will let you know. My machinist for the shifters bought a bone stock S4 yesterday so I think he is first in line for a teser. Email me though, [email protected] so we can eventually work something out. The more I install before I sell to the public the better I can have the instructions ironed out.

Jay- what kind of pressure drop are you seeing comparing to ER's? I would think there would be more drop with the FMIC...

Would be REALLY awesome to see some back to back logs with the FMIC to compare to the ER's :)

Haven't gotten all crazy with it being a low cost setup. All I can say is that Dan's record 12.28 @ 114mph full interior K03 run and my back 2 back 11.1 @ 130mph full interior K04 runs were with this exact core. Obviously the ERs will have less though. This core is massive. My Fiance drives my car everyday and never complains about throttle response. With a quick boosting twin turbo car it isn't as much of a concern. I have logged Pinoy S4s car and the FMIC does do better. I will eventually get logs on the same day with the same boost.

I think it comes down to a few things, for road racing ERS hands down. For drag racing the ebay IC, Pressure drop will be much higher on the ebay IC being much larger with a lot more and larger piping.. It all comes down to your application in the end.. I think Jay will agree

Pretty much man. Options is what I live to deliver. There is never a "one size fits all product" It is what each person wants out of their car and their budget.

So jay, with these pipes, no problems keeping the grills in? Thats the only thing that was keeping me back, was not being able to keep the stock grills.

Keeping the grills in was a task but it can be done. I made a video showing how I did it. This video is more of a finishing touches final install. So i will probably get that video up soon.

[lil' is 300]

Keeping the grills in was a task but it can be done. I made a video showing how I did it. This video is more of a finishing touches final install. So i will probably get that video up soon.

Is there hacking of the side grills?

[AB18]

Im sure there is..but its worth it as far as im concerned.

[Korben007]

I want one. If u wanna install one 4 me I can bring my car down next month

[DxC]

JHM for president!

[generationjdm]

If the price to send them to china and have them done is next to nothing, does that mean the cost will be much cheaper then it is now?...

[AsphaltKing]

Have you test fited this setup with a car that has the vast phelonic spacers ??

[infinkc]

If the price to send them to china and have them done is next to nothing, does that mean the cost will be much cheaper then it is now?...

i see it once people like ss auto get ahold of the pipes and start making thier own kit off of them.

[2001S4NY]

jay why don't u post some logs of these and while you at it post complete logs of your car and the RS6 car so we can all the differences.

[stevea6/z28]

Not to bad. I have less 500 into mine with pipping and all, dont need to buy a fan use your stock one just relocate it to middle.

[txaudifan]

Once again Jay, you are going where other dealers did not want to go... getting a good product out for cheap $... they all think that the parts have to be expensive because the car was expensive 7 yrs ago... times change and so do prices... hat off to you for putting pressure on these more expensive dealers!!! I will end up with all your products when I am done... or you are done, which ever comes first... HAHA!!!

[Matt@JHM]

I will end up with all your products when I am done... or you are done, which ever comes first... HAHA!!!

I R&D with this guy, trust me he will never stop.

[DxC]

jay why don't u post some logs of these and while you at it post complete logs of your car and the RS6 car so we can all the differences.

off topic, but why do you ask everyone for their logs all the time? ive read lots of posts requesting logs

[2001S4NY]

there is a reason for it. :)

[ToMMyRsK04]

off topic, but why do you ask everyone for their logs all the time? ive read lots of posts requesting logs

yupp loll x2

[jaybquick@JHM]

Is there hacking of the side grills?

Yup, they need to be thinned out, and a couple zip ties (hidden of course) I have a vid about it I will be posting up when I get around to it. Switching to No mesh or a thinner mesh will make it easy. It is quite time consuming to get the bumper support cleared and everything else. But that is the fun with any FMIC of this size.

I want one. If u wanna install one 4 me I can bring my car down next month

Probably won't be ready that soon. Need to do some more verification of fitment on one or 2 more cars and get the pipes replicated.

JHM for president!

Maybe when I reach age 50. HAHA

If the price to send them to china and have them done is next to nothing, does that mean the cost will be much cheaper then it is now?...

I think our ideas of next to nothing is different.

Have you test fited this setup with a car that has the vast phelonic spacers ??

Of course I have. The RS6 car has them that we just finished. Need to verify one more time with one that doesn't have them to cover all the bases.

Once again Jay, you are going where other dealers did not want to go... getting a good product out for cheap $... they all think that the parts have to be expensive because the car was expensive 7 yrs ago... times change and so do prices... hat off to you for putting pressure on these more expensive dealers!!! I will end up with all your products when I am done... or you are done, which ever comes first... HAHA!!!

Well when it is just pretty much just me (working 12 hour days and just about 7 days a week) and some friends swinging by to help it keeps the business overhead down and with that I can price it accordingly. Plus I know what I pay and couldn't justify charging more. Especially since this is not local USA made stuff. Like I said before though 90% of your aftermarket products are out sourced to china. My shifters and everything else will stay here in the states. Just no point in me competing with others in their price range and I already saw how many people loving the ebay core, I just thought I would take the guesswork out of it.

i see it once people like ss auto get ahold of the pipes and start making thier own kit off of them.

That is fine. The guy I am working with I will be selling it. But he never installed it, probably won't have instructions like me and not sure if he is making brackets. Not concerned, you generally get what you pay for. You can always save some $$$ and have no instructions, or pay a little more for brackets support and good instructions. Your call I guess

jay why don't u post some logs of these and while you at it post complete logs of your car and the RS6 car so we can all the differences.

Patience.

I will post logs when I have time, with the comparitive intake temps. That is viable and useful data. Being that stuff is not yet for sale, it will take away from my product development time and current sales. I get to that kind of stuff when the phone calls, emails and sales slow down. I currently work 6-7 days a week with 12 to 14 hours a day as a norm.

I will only post data I see fit. I stand on my track results. Logs ave no value to people 2000 plus miles away other than to manipulate the data to benefit themselves (not talking about you). Logs and Dynos are tuning tools only. I don't live by them and that is why I build record setting cars. PERIOD. I do it different so I get different results. I can't be like everyone else and tune the same way and expect different results, just common sense.

I R&D with this guy, trust me he will never stop.

And you better be ready.

off topic, but why do you ask everyone for their logs all the time? ive read lots of posts requesting logs

They think they can see stuff in the tune, but certain things they cannot and it is useless. It is one of the hype things IMO. Plus I think some people want to calculate FATS times and other such things that can easily be manipulated (they don't know what the temp was, boost was, up or down hill, octane gas, etc.) and are limited to a small power band from 4200 to 6500 rpm. It is the same concept as some of these cars that put down huge HP numbers and then go to the track and have not so good results. If you make your car fast in only one gear it rarely equates to better results on acceleration out of the hole (launch or multiple gears). We tune for the whole curve and getting out of the hole. Once again I just use logs as a tuning tool and track results to share what I have done. Unfortunately on the RS6 car, he isn't a big racer, so track results will have to wait until I put a set on a racers car or my car. I can tell you that I am SOLD on putting a set on my car.

P.S. I will get flamed for these comments but I don't care. I will just continue to build fast cars and do it my way. Thanks

[2001S4NY]

Patience.

I will post logs when I have time, with the comparitive intake temps. That is viable and useful data. Being that stuff is not yet for sale, it will take away from my product development time and current sales. I get to that kind of stuff when the phone calls, emails and sales slow down. I currently work 6-7 days a week with 12 to 14 hours a day as a norm.

I will only post data I see fit. I stand on my track results. Logs ave no value to people 2000 plus miles away other than to manipulate the data to benefit themselves (not talking about you). Logs and Dynos are tuning tools only. I don't live by them and that is why I build record setting cars. PERIOD. I do it different so I get different results. I can't be like everyone else and tune the same way and expect different results, just common sense.

Are you implying im going to steal your tune? isn't that what you have been telling people anyway? Thats not a good way to do business is it. I don't go around telling people stuff about you. Maybe i should what do you think? I think you are scooping down to the same low level as marc when he send emails to people talking behind their backs.

[generationjdm]

You can actually see a lot more from the logs then most people think, Jay you know this, the fueling section Etc says a lot. I don't think anyone wishes to robbbbbb your tune I think most people wish to see the graph of your car to compare to other setups out there.. Everyone needs to stop thinking there tune is some miracle to the audi world.. It's kinda of funny I bet half the tuners in the audi community that tunes couldn't tune 99.99% of the cars out there but a few audi lines...

[ms4cd]

I understand the man does not want to show all the secrets to his work. Maybe glimpses of timing, CF vs boost levels and fats times (flat ground)?

At least that way we can see the magic work…

[PinoyS4]

Are you implying im going to steal your tune? isn't that what you have been telling people anyway? Thats not a good way to do business is it. I don't go around telling people stuff about you. Maybe i should what do you think? I think you are scooping down to the same low level as marc when he send emails to people talking behind their backs.

just respect what jay has done for the audi community. he's just being precautious cause of all of marcs bullshitit's his business, his R&D, his tune...case closed!

[generationjdm]

Jay's tune/ Vast tune/ Kirts tune/ Rousch tune etc? It's so confusing.haha

[jaybquick@JHM]

Are you implying im going to steal your tune? isn't that what you have been telling people anyway? Thats not a good way to do business is it. I don't go around telling people stuff about you. Maybe i should what do you think? I think you are scooping down to the same low level as marc when he send emails to people talking behind their backs.

Sounds like you just did. I am just avoiding more drama, but when you go fast and innovate you can't avoid it and you just proved it.

As a business owner I had to be honest with a customer in the NY area why I would not sell to him. I don't believe in games and giving him the runaround on why. Hate me for being honest with him I guess.

This is exactly why as a business I have chosen to not sell tuning yet in that area. Too much drama and B.S. and other stuff I have been told. I want more time to work at my pace, lock down our tunes better security wise and get more estabilished in tuning. I chose tuning to aid others in going fast and don't care to push my products. Sales numbers are not what I am after, results are. I have some wonderful customers there and am saddened I had to make such a business decision. I have no problems with any where else and drama. Just your area unfotunately, maybe you want it to continue, I guess. I am not accusing everyone and this potential customer seemed very nice and I didn't want to turn him away. Once again it was just a business decision and I told him so. I wished him luck and told him he could email me for advice.


If you would like I would be more than happy to post up that email conversation as well. Just ask. Once again nothing to hide, hence I am a PAID advertiser and sell in the open public. I never said a name, he deduced it. I just told him what I had seen and heard and it was just a business decision.


If you just leave me alone and stop hounding me all the time it may be a little nicer around here. Or you can continue to start crap and make drama and get banned as well. Your choice.

How often do I go in your NON paying threads and ask the same question again and again. Pretty much never. I am too busy running a business and making my own products.


I look forward to not hearing your responses in the future.


Thanks


I feel like Deja Vu is happening.






P.S. Thank you to all my customers inquirys and PMs, keep them comoing and I will be more than happy to keep answering your questions.

[Das General]

I guess you gotta pay to not get banned on AZ. I hardly think Greg is pushing his product/tune in any shape or form. He simply shows his logs, states what is going on with his tune, and shows off the hard work he has accomplished...