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    updated now with pics (LONG)Ko4 boosting issues are now solved. k04 owners read

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    for a while a few audi owners and myself have been running a k04 but not to its full potential. The problem i was having was the car would make full boost however after around 4300-5000 rpms my boost would just plumet and drop and the car was put into limp mode. This began to irritate me because you can feel the car begin to pull then all of a sudden i would loose all power. For a while dvs1.8 and myself thought it could be a run down faulty bpv or an intercooler. These seemed to be the best problems we can think of. Heat soaking is a main issue for me summer time in california so thats why an intercooler was on the list and i was running a plastic diaphram tt bpv so that could have been the problem. I then started diagnosing the problem by buying the cheapest of the two first. With the help of dvs i baught the turbo xs h-34 diverter valve. The difference between the h-25 and the h-34 is that the h-25 is a direct fit to the a4 on the intake and exhaust side but the h-34 is not. People who i wont mention their names(you know who you are) told me i should return my h-34 and get the h-25 because its the same valve but the h-25 is a direct fit.. WELLL i hate to break it to you but its not. After talking to turboxs and the person i baught it from, i was told that the h-25 is a much smaller and crapier valve than the h-34, the h-34 houses a much bigger piston and holds boost much beter than the h-25 and its smaller piston. So anyway its time to install this valve. Dvs and i made a custom hose running from the diverter vavle to the intake using a larger diameter radiator hose off of an old school mazda 323. (you can pick up hose by the foot at your local auto shop i used this hose because it was perfectly lying in the garage). after a few hours of trouble shooting and customizing the job was complete. it went off without a hitch except for one hose blowing off on the first run but after reinstalling the hose and tightening it my problem was fixed. Valve is in, valve fit perfect, valve fixed my problem. My boost is stronger than ever, and the car pulls hard to redline. I am still going to be adding an intercooler to my project car yet the answer to my boost problem the whole time was a faulty daiphram tt bypass valve. i will post pictures of the turbo xs valve next to the tt bpv, so you can see a size difference. i also have pics of the unit installed on the car but they are lower res camera phone pics. If you have any questions or comments about the valve or the install feel free to pm me or post your thoughts or messege dvs18t to see if he can help you out as well.
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    I also was haivng a boost problem for my car running into limp mode after boosting hard. I traced mine back to a bad MAF and finally got everything right. Glad to see you were able to do the same.

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    yea im so glad my car is running properly now. I still want to get an intercooler but i guess i have more time to save up now since its running right.

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    yeah that thing is boosting nicely now.... glad to see that you are finally happy with it. the turbo xs H-34 truly is a great unit esp for larger turbos, it holds boost very very well. and for those who might wonder about the hose blowing off was my fault as i didnt tighten the hose clamp after we adjusted the elbow that goes into the intake hose after we adjusted it. for those who didnt care there is a little worthless info for you

    oh and the TT valve sucks ass-you get what you pay for, that is all.

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    It was only a bad maf?


    Originally posted by EVIL-AUDI
    I also was haivng a boost problem for my car running into limp mode after boosting hard. I traced mine back to a bad MAF and finally got everything right. Glad to see you were able to do the same.
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    MAF can be the little bug in a setup like this, in evils case it was in mine i new it wasnt so i progressed to my other options i thought it was. I almost wanted to put my money on the problem being a heat soaked intercooler. if dvs hadnt told me to try the dv valve first i would have spend roughly 700 bucks on an ic unit and still had my problem it realy does pay to trouble shoot and do the cheap stuff first. thanks again austin. next time we go to in and out we should drink some gas-x, hahaha

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    Yep, the MAF. I replaced the Bailey, N75, New Version X chip,and various other hoses looking for the culprit. The Codes that were being throw at first were not necessarily MAF related. That's what threw me off. But after getting a new MAF the car is running better than ever. Thank goodness, cause I'm not sure what I would have done if it kept up the old way. Thanks to Garett for all his help and Benfica for the Vag time.

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    Originally posted by nizmosx
    next time we go to in and out we should drink some gas-x, hahaha
    DOH!

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    Originally posted by nizmosx
    yea im so glad my car is running properly now. I still want to get an intercooler but i guess i have more time to save up now since its running right.
    bad dv might be the problem in your case, but I'm deffinately getting heatsoked, and i'm running new forged dv so i know this cant be the problem, I tried my car on the hot and a cool day and it's like a night and day, on a hot day it would just cut me off at 3500-4000 rpms, and on the cool day it ran fine pulled hard as sh*t, so i ordered myself an intercooler, we'll see if that is gonna improve the whole scenario, oh yeah what software are you running?, because I got the J31 by Giac, let me know.

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    Originally posted by marcini
    bad dv might be the problem in your case, but I'm deffinately getting heatsoked, and i'm running new forged dv so i know this cant be the problem, I tried my car on the hot and a cool day and it's like a night and day, on a hot day it would just cut me off at 3500-4000 rpms, and on the cool day it ran fine pulled hard as sh*t, so i ordered myself an intercooler, we'll see if that is gonna improve the whole scenario, oh yeah what software are you running?, because I got the J31 by Giac, let me know.
    He is running the AMS software and his problem wasnt that he was heatsoaking because the car would not hold boost out of the box. It would spike to 1.5 bar immediately and then pull back to a little over 1 bar and hold there and then just start dropping off..... now he spikes at 1.5 bar and holds just below that..... the car holds boost much longer than it did before... his BPV now is freakin beefcake....

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    Just because of that little valve it was holding all that back. huh, that's annoying.

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    Originally posted by EVIL-AUDI
    Just because of that little valve it was holding all that back. huh, that's annoying.
    just say no to diaphragm type bypass valves....

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    I'm using my Bailey for now. But I have aanother choice one in mind next.

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    hey marcini, i thought the same thing, i told myself its not the diverter valve its the intercooler because when i first warm up my car and its cool outsice like roughly 69 degrees the car runs perfect and holds boost but after a couple runs its stops holding boost and begins to drop dramaticaly. so i told myself since the car is capable of hitting full boost and holding it when its cool and cant do it when it warms out its for sure not the diverter valve and it is the intercooler, but i was wrong once i got rid of the diaphram, prob solved. like i said i still need an intercooler however the car is running right now and intercooler will only help.

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    Originally posted by nizmosx
    hey marcini, i thought the same thing, i told myself its not the diverter valve its the intercooler because when i first warm up my car and its cool outsice like roughly 69 degrees the car runs perfect and holds boost but after a couple runs its stops holding boost and begins to drop dramaticaly. so i told myself since the car is capable of hitting full boost and holding it when its cool and cant do it when it warms out its for sure not the diverter valve and it is the intercooler, but i was wrong once i got rid of the diaphram, prob solved. like i said i still need an intercooler however the car is running right now and intercooler will only help.
    Just for some clarity on the terms.... heatsoak does not cause boost to be retarded, you make the same amount of boost but the air is so hot it carries very little density and so no power is made.... the problem with a shitty DV is that he doesnt hit the boost he should.... the problem with diaphragm DVs is that they are designed for a given boost pressure and beyond that it is difficult to hold much more.... with piston type you can generally adjust them (if the unit is of decent quality) i was destroying 710Ns on my k03 setup boosting 17psi i went through three of them.... to give you an idea i had my chip for 40k miles 25k was run with my GFB hybrid which is a ten fold better unit then the 710N could ever dream of being.... calculate that out and that is avg 5k miles per TT valve on 17 psi of boost... or a little over 100 dollars with shipping and etc.... down the drain....

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    hey dvs i have a question slash favor. woul you want to vag and log my car with this h-34 valve 3 different ways, those ways being running the car with 6 washers. running the car with 5 washers. and running it blow off style by plugging that hose. im curious to see charts and see what the car thinks. is this doable. if so and you ahve some spare time comming up. hit me up. by the way how are the h sports. let me know.

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    quick question on bpv's, does anyone if the PES bypass will have these affects, or should i not be worried?


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    i wouldnt be worried. the 710N is a crappy makeshift valve. mine began to show signs of not holding full boost eventually. metal valves are definately worth it, my forge 007 valve has worked perfectly for me so far.
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    That PES one is fine.

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    i have heard good things about the pes unit. im happy with my choice however. to each his own i guess

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    thanks guys, reading all that i was getting worried since i don't have a boost gauge installed yet


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    Evil, when you have the faulty MAF, what reading were you getting?

    Originally posted by EVIL-AUDI
    Yep, the MAF. I replaced the Bailey, N75, New Version X chip,and various other hoses looking for the culprit. The Codes that were being throw at first were not necessarily MAF related. That's what threw me off. But after getting a new MAF the car is running better than ever. Thank goodness, cause I'm not sure what I would have done if it kept up the old way. Thanks to Garett for all his help and Benfica for the Vag time.
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    Put it on top of your mod list

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    thanks guys, reading all that i was getting worried since i don't have a boost gauge installed yet


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    stratmosphere dv? its good rite
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    The TT valve does suck ass, I blew 2 of them in one month. I have a Forge valve now and it works perfectly, no more ugly honking noises. I'm getting a GFB valve soon from a friend, hopefully it works just as well.
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    stratmosphere has a good one, you just have to get the right one. i believe the good one is the one you can take apart and fix later if there is a problem dont recall the name or part number for it.

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    Originally posted by azndrunk74
    The TT valve does suck ass, I blew 2 of them in one month. I have a Forge valve now and it works perfectly, no more ugly honking noises. I'm getting a GFB valve soon from a friend, hopefully it works just as well.
    the GFB you have to adjust if it doesnt work right the first time, i have mine dialed in perfectly..... just takes time but i get much better turbo response with the GFB than with my EVO valve i have...

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    someone either on here or on audiworld is selling a gfb valve shipped for 90, its been used for a few months, says its good condtion. and comes with everything including packaging.

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    damn evil you on top of things hommie. thanks for the link, its a good valve and should easily sell no problems, its a matter of who is the lucky one who gets it. thats cheap.

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    I have thought about going with the other version that vents. Just to give it a shot.

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    yea its all about trial and error, i have heard good things about both versions. test it out and post results im curious to how it does. are you running k04 evil or x chip k03

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    Originally posted by EVIL-AUDI
    I have thought about going with the other version that vents. Just to give it a shot.
    that is the one that i have.... i have been logging it on another car with his wideband and he doesnt run rich at all with it compared to his evo valve... i will be doing some logs once i get my car and my valve back from him (was used for the 1.8t challenge) to see how it reacts with a more civil turbo setup, though the wideband logging was done a car with a working and active MAF....

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    Little bit different version X until I make up my mind on other things

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    hey dvs when you are running the gfb that vents to the air what do you block off your hose with since its not connected to the valve, how did you plug it.

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    Originally posted by nizmosx
    hey dvs when you are running the gfb that vents to the air what do you block off your hose with since its not connected to the valve, how did you plug it.
    the GFB connects the same way that a DV would connect the only different is it has a vent on the side to dump air along with reroute it....

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    How's it sound on your car. Very noticeable?

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    Originally posted by EVIL-AUDI
    How's it sound on your car. Very noticeable?
    cruising around town you cant even hear it, at WOT its a little louder then a DV with an intake. basically the same woosh sound you can just tell its going out instead of back in.... you have to play with the spring tensioner.... that is the problem alot of people make with these valves is that they leave the spring too loose so that the valve is open at idle... the easiest way to adjust it is to put it on the car and start the car, you can put your finger in the horn and feel if the piston is open at idle, if it is you just adjust the spring tensioner on the top until the piston closes than what i did is turned it about 2 turns after that... worked like a charm...

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    hmmm, I may get one just to test out. My setup now is noticeable, but I think only cause my intake sits right under my hood vent.

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