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    Thumbs up Hurricane Charlie and EO5 Blow into Daytona Beach

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    Six months ago I decided that I wanted more power than my current chip and exhaust was providing me. I decided at that point that a compromise between what I had and the new big turbo systems, that were still in the works,was what I wanted. I was looking for a setup that would give me 200whp and not break my wallet. I also came to the conclusion that software was going to be the key to my quest. So, for the next few months I monitored both AZ and AW in silence looking for answers. By the end of June it came down to three options: (1) Neuspeed SKO4, (2) KO4 by "Do it Yourself" (3) EO5/Revo by Eurocode...... I choose Eurocode for several reasons: positive posts by several AZ members, Revo software, and because Dave was willing to fly to Daytona Beach and do the install and fine tuning. The weekend we choose was lucky Friday the 13th. The setup was perfect, my employers aviation hangar equiped with lift, tools,and air condition which is a must when your averaging 90 degrees. On 8/9 I removed and sent my ECU to Eurocode to have the current chip removed and replaced with my stock chip for flashing. The car was now sitting in the hanger waiting for all the necessary componets. On 8/11 the ECU returned home along with the EO5, test pipe, and FMIC. Now all I had to do was wait for Dave to show up at Daytona on Saturday morning, however Hurricane Charlie had different plans. On friday night as we were being hammered by over 80mph winds, I revieved a call from Dave saying that he would still be willing to come. The only question was could he make it from Atlanta to Daytona on Saturday morning. Dave's plane arrived on time the next day and we set off to the hanger. The only problem now that awaited us was no electricity due to Charlie, which meant no lift, AC, and minimal lighting(thank god for sky lights and halogen flash lights). The entire install took and exhausting 7 hours. The hardware is top of the line. The fmic may no be pretty but it fits like a glove. On Sunday morning it was time to roll the car out of the hanger and fine tune it,however, still no power which made it impossible to raise the massive hanger door. Thanks to some special NASCAR people with a massive generator, we were able to liberate the car. Now came the moment of truth, did I do my homework correctly???? Dave was sitting in the copilot positon with laptop at hand monitoring all aspects of the car as we put it to the test. With the outside temp of 90 we turned the AC on full blast and made some 1/4 mile runs down a private runway that was not in service. Does the FMIC work, well we couldn't get the intake temps to go above 43 degrees celcius and that held constant even when we made a half a dozen 100mph+ runs on I95. Like I said it isn't shiney-pretty but it does the job, and let's be honest, its just a radiator which on my car nobody will see because I have no intentions of making it a lift up the hood show car. Also, the car temp guage did not move from the center mark. Now to the EO5 and test pipe. The EO5 pulls like a freight train to redline and never lets up. Dave set the timing perfect, due to the abundant availability of 93 octane he was able to advance the timing alittle more compared to cars running on 91. all cylinders were pulling zero timing....The test pipe just adds to the pleasure, you can hear the turbo easily spool up and the exhaust tones have gotten deeper but not offensive, this is coming from a fairly conservative individual......however, I do have a quiet exhaust to begin with.... All in all, its the best money I've spent and I would highly recomend this system to anyone looking for alittle more fun on a budget. Its like a bottle of wine, you can fine one for $25.00 that taste just as good as a $100.00. Thanks again to Dave at Ecode Tuning for making this a fun experience.

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    congrats on the E05.
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    The FMIC seems really works and I'm still waiting for mine ordered from Dave. Should getaway the heatsoak problem in due course.
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    Re: Hurricane Charlie and EO5 Blow into Daytona Beach

    Originally posted by Kman
    Six months ago I decided that I wanted more power than my current chip and exhaust was providing me. I decided at that point that a compromise between what I had and the new big turbo systems, that were still in the works,was what I wanted. I was looking for a setup that would give me 200whp and not break my wallet. I also came to the conclusion that software was going to be the key to my quest. So, for the next few months I monitored both AZ and AW in silence looking for answers. By the end of June it came down to three options: (1) Neuspeed SKO4, (2) KO4 by "Do it Yourself" (3) EO5/Revo by Eurocode...... I choose Eurocode for several reasons: positive posts by several AZ members, Revo software, and because Dave was willing to fly to Daytona Beach and do the install and fine tuning. The weekend we choose was lucky Friday the 13th. The setup was perfect, my employers aviation hangar equiped with lift, tools,and air condition which is a must when your averaging 90 degrees. On 8/9 I removed and sent my ECU to Eurocode to have the current chip removed and replaced with my stock chip for flashing. The car was now sitting in the hanger waiting for all the necessary componets. On 8/11 the ECU returned home along with the EO5, test pipe, and FMIC. Now all I had to do was wait for Dave to show up at Daytona on Saturday morning, however Hurricane Charlie had different plans. On friday night as we were being hammered by over 80mph winds, I revieved a call from Dave saying that he would still be willing to come. The only question was could he make it from Atlanta to Daytona on Saturday morning. Dave's plane arrived on time the next day and we set off to the hanger. The only problem now that awaited us was no electricity due to Charlie, which meant no lift, AC, and minimal lighting(thank god for sky lights and halogen flash lights). The entire install took and exhausting 7 hours. The hardware is top of the line. The fmic may no be pretty but it fits like a glove. On Sunday morning it was time to roll the car out of the hanger and fine tune it,however, still no power which made it impossible to raise the massive hanger door. Thanks to some special NASCAR people with a massive generator, we were able to liberate the car. Now came the moment of truth, did I do my homework correctly???? Dave was sitting in the copilot positon with laptop at hand monitoring all aspects of the car as we put it to the test. With the outside temp of 90 we turned the AC on full blast and made some 1/4 mile runs down a private runway that was not in service. Does the FMIC work, well we couldn't get the intake temps to go above 43 degrees celcius and that held constant even when we made a half a dozen 100mph+ runs on I95. Like I said it isn't shiney-pretty but it does the job, and let's be honest, its just a radiator which on my car nobody will see because I have no intentions of making it a lift up the hood show car. Also, the car temp guage did not move from the center mark. Now to the EO5 and test pipe. The EO5 pulls like a freight train to redline and never lets up. Dave set the timing perfect, due to the abundant availability of 93 octane he was able to advance the timing alittle more compared to cars running on 91. all cylinders were pulling zero timing....The test pipe just adds to the pleasure, you can hear the turbo easily spool up and the exhaust tones have gotten deeper but not offensive, this is coming from a fairly conservative individual......however, I do have a quiet exhaust to begin with.... All in all, its the best money I've spent and I would highly recomend this system to anyone looking for alittle more fun on a budget. Its like a bottle of wine, you can fine one for $25.00 that taste just as good as a $100.00. Thanks again to Dave at Ecode Tuning for making this a fun experience.
    Glad to hear you are loving it so far. Did you guys also look at the knock sensor voltages, injector duty cycle, and EGT's? Eurospec, who builds the E05's (not Eurocode) has said there have been quite a number of E05 failures (they were NOT at any liberty to discuss the details, which really aint our business anyway to know), from either the turbo running too hard and breaking shafts, or just the overall structural integrity of the exhaust housing breaching (an E05 IS a modified K03) and destroying the turbine and/or shaft. If all those aspects are well within range, you should be good. People's only main concern is that Eurospec does NOT warranty turbos that fail that show signs that they have been pushed over 18psi (~1.2bar), and in many cases most E05's are pushed way beyond that 18psi to get the incredible performance numbers. Just a thought, no flame/pun intended.
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    Re: Re: Hurricane Charlie and EO5 Blow into Daytona Beach

    Originally posted by OOOO
    Eurospec, who builds the E05's (not Eurocode) has said there have been quite a number of E05 failures (they were NOT at any liberty to discuss the details, which really aint our business anyway to know
    Where did you get this information, and did you personally talk to Eurospec?
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    As far as I know Eurospec makes E05's not Eurocode, so they would be at liberty to discuss this for sure.

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    If there were so many E05 failures we (AZ, AW) community would know about it for sure. There is only 1 E05 failed (VW guy) and aprox. 5 (Audi) sucess stories that I know of.
    If you are better informed than we please post some links so we can all get up to speed.

    I personaly don't own E05 but em getting sick of all these failure stories without any backing.

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    I have to say this i was unfortunate to meet up with David in Daytona but he is one of the best guys around...i have heard so many different stories but yet i havent see one case of a turbo blown only satisfied customers.... I wish i could have driven up to daytona to meet with them...but the dam storm didnt let me.... I have a EO5 kit and its running awesome no pinging, no detonation, no problems till now...cant guarantee the life of the turbo....but can say this that not every driving condition is same, everyone drives different, and every turbo is built seperate so just because one breaks dont mean all...im sure there is someone out there that blew a KO4 but no one seems to care as long as they bad mouth Ecode on AZ your cool...Audi is a great example with the sunroof...it gave me problems and i know it did to other audi owners too and i dont see you going to the dealer and returning the car you get it fixed and the problem gets resolved and you just keep driving happily in your audi...like i said before if you dont agree with something than just simply dont buy it or dont do business with that person or persons but dont get on here to try to change everyones mind.

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    Three hundred miles on my E05 now and going strong!! But if it breaks, I'll let you know. For now it seems pretty hardy, though.
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    Seems like shit can always happen when you have the time to put your mods in...my ride is at my Audi mechanics house getting my KO4,P&P Mani,Ecode FMIC, 360cc injectors put on...and of course the day after I leave it at his house it hails for the first time in 4 years, and dents the crap out of it...8-10 dents...$500-$750 to fix with a paintless dent repair guy...sometimes life really sucks. Screw mother nature and Murphey's law!!!

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    Yep, unfortunately Mother Nature doesn't care if we're having fun or not.
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    What's with these neagative EO5 vibes??? Yes all those paramaters were monitored, block 20 tells the whole story,all four cylinders pulled zero timing throughout the entire power band..As far as EO5 failures are concerned, I decided to go directly to the source, Eurospec.......I talked with them today and expressed your concerns about shafts breaking etc. The turbo is warrantied if not pushed above 18psi. Can the turbo handle 23psi, no problem according to Eurospec, but no warranty....Sonny was kind enough to explain the multiple causes for turbo failures including running too much boost. Eurospec contributes Approx 1% of there turbo failures to themselves which is well within the industry norm. The rest is due to pilot error........running the turbo outside its proper parameters. The turbo is a usable commodity, use it up then replace it. I also found out that the internals of the EO5 are all OE parts from Borg. I'm so happy to know that (0000) is looking out for me but I would suggest for him to call Sonny at (877) 777-2388 to clear up this myth of excessive EO5 turbo failures. The only thing that really flames me is when people start behaving like Michael Moore. Thanks again to Dave at Eurocode Tuning for all his help and knowledge in making this upgrade most enjoyable.

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    I do agree there is no need to flame anything. Hopefully people are approaching this in a mature way and are not trying to offend people who are running the E05, but are instead trying to make sure it will hold up well. It is true that the E05 uses all Borg parts, but keep in mind the exhaust wheel which makes up the entire turbo shaft has been swapped to a DIFFERENT borg part. Judging by the size that would be from the K16. Now in order to fit the K16 or any other BW wheel into the K03 housing you have to do some grinding of either the wheel or the housing. What does that do to the dynamic balancing of a turbo and how does it effect the longevity? I have no idea and I wouldnt try and guess. Lets all hope that it has no ill effects, but its always good to keep a lookout for failures, if only to learn from them. Cheers! mike

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    do you know for fact that the internals are from a K16 or is it your educated guess???? I think you may need to call Eurospec also at 877-777-2388. Lets return to posting facts and not speculative opinions. I'm happy to hear your concerns for the EO5, and I am taking your advice by running it within factory specs. How long do you plan on running your KO4 in excess of 25psi????? Please be carefull doc, just a reminder that it is not bullet proof either and like I said earlier its a usable commodity......safe driving......kman

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    Wow, David flew out to tune your car! that is definately hot. One of the major problems i would have with doing a turbo upgrade is knowledge in the NJ/NYC area. there is rojo, but i don't think he has done 1.8t turbo tuning. When i hit 50K miles i am definately going to consider something along this route..

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    Originally posted by Kman
    do you know for fact that the internals are from a K16 or is it your educated guess???? I think you may need to call Eurospec also at 877-777-2388. Lets return to posting facts and not speculative opinions. I'm happy to hear your concerns for the EO5, and I am taking your advice by running it within factory specs. How long do you plan on running your KO4 in excess of 25psi????? Please be carefull doc, just a reminder that it is not bullet proof either and like I said earlier its a usable commodity......safe driving......kman
    There is a difference in running a true "K04" (casted housings from the factory) then running a "K03" with a weaker shaft and upgraded wheels and the housing bored out "paper-thin" on high boost. The K04 out of the box will be much more reliable than the "frankenstein" E05, though the E05 is better "in theory" (having bigger everything, including a wastegate actuator and all). The turbine wheel on the E05 is identical to the K04-23 turbo (225TT), which is substantially bigger than the K04-15. The compressor wheel on the E05 is also upgraded to comprable of a K04-15. The reason that the E05 has become so popular over the K04-15 these days is because of the surplus of unwanted K03's, which in turn are "modified" into "E05's", and everything about the E05 looks BETTER on paper. Modified turbos also have its downside, in which the margin for error will always be higher than that of a factory turbo.

    We're not here to raise doubts in your mind kman--for you have spent a pretty penny on your setup, only to find that there are people doubting it, and you might find that harsh or even rude. But fact of the matter is we're all in the same boat that you are, looking for the "ultimate" turbo upgrade. Ive called EuroSpec, and talked to many of their distributors who have much more experience installing the turbos on multiple cars, including Terry @ Innovative who is well respected in producing (and modifying) turbochargers in the Audi/VW industry. Nothing against YOU or your E05, but you should always assume for the worse, then try to prove that theory wrong by excercising more caution, than to swear to yourself and others you have the "perfect" turbo and have it mysteriously one day fail on you, leaving you scratching your head "WTF"?
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    How about this,
    Lets wait for an E05 to fail and then talk shit about it. Till then STFU all.
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    Yeah what Zemun said....

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    Originally posted by OOOO
    There is a difference in running a true "K04" (casted housings from the factory) then running a "K03" with a weaker shaft and upgraded wheels and the housing bored out "paper-thin" on high boost. The K04 out of the box will be much more reliable than the "frankenstein" E05, though the E05 is better "in theory" (having bigger everything, including a wastegate actuator and all). The turbine wheel on the E05 is identical to the K04-23 turbo (225TT), which is substantially bigger than the K04-15. The compressor wheel on the E05 is also upgraded to comprable of a K04-15. The reason that the E05 has become so popular over the K04-15 these days is because of the surplus of unwanted K03's, which in turn are "modified" into "E05's", and everything about the E05 looks BETTER on paper. Modified turbos also have its downside, in which the margin for error will always be higher than that of a factory turbo.

    We're not here to raise doubts in your mind kman--for you have spent a pretty penny on your setup, only to find that there are people doubting it, and you might find that harsh or even rude. But fact of the matter is we're all in the same boat that you are, looking for the "ultimate" turbo upgrade. Ive called EuroSpec, and talked to many of their distributors who have much more experience installing the turbos on multiple cars, including Terry @ Innovative who is well respected in producing (and modifying) turbochargers in the Audi/VW industry. Nothing against YOU or your E05, but you should always assume for the worse, then try to prove that theory wrong by excercising more caution, than to swear to yourself and others you have the "perfect" turbo and have it mysteriously one day fail on you, leaving you scratching your head "WTF"?
    -----The reason that the E05 has become so popular over the K04-15 these days is because of the surplus of unwanted K03's, which in turn are "modified" into "E05's", and everything about the E05 looks BETTER on paper. Modified turbos also have its downside, in which the margin for error will always be higher than that of a factory turbo.-----


    you have got to be kidding, you think they just have stashes of k03's laying around that they are deciding to modify into e05s. i think a company like Borg knows how many cars they plan to supply with k03s for the year and actually plan production. Seriously, you guys need to get a life, and stop talking about "failures" that haven't even been proven.

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    Doesn't seem like people are bashing the EO5, more like everyone else posting keeps bringing it up...the KO4 will be a more reliable turbo period, since it has not been modified...but there is nothing wrong with the EO5 either...I got the KO4 because my audi mechanic said he could keep my engine under warranty with the KO4, not the EO5. Jusat a little inside dealing with my Audi Mechanic.

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    I too am looking into a turbo upgrade soon but i am overwhelmed by all of ppl's conflicting views.

    I just wanted to know how much boost the Revo/Eurocode E05 is running?

    TIA

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    Originally posted by CO AVANT
    Doesn't seem like people are bashing the EO5, more like everyone else posting keeps bringing it up...the KO4 will be a more reliable turbo period, since it has not been modified...but there is nothing wrong with the EO5 either...I got the KO4 because my audi mechanic said he could keep my engine under warranty with the KO4, not the EO5. Jusat a little inside dealing with my Audi Mechanic.

    Jordan
    I think there's been a few people bashing the E05 that really don't have specific info on it, but rather heresay and rumors as well as their personal opinions, mostly directed toward Ecode. The SK04 didn't get this much bashing and heated personal debate. Also Jordon, a K04 would void your warranty, but I do agree that it has a proven track record and the longivity of the E05 has yet to be proven. We'll see, we should all hope for the best, it's a nice upgrade and does have more power than a K04.

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    Originally posted by nadroj81
    -----The reason that the E05 has become so popular over the K04-15 these days is because of the surplus of unwanted K03's, which in turn are "modified" into "E05's", and everything about the E05 looks BETTER on paper. Modified turbos also have its downside, in which the margin for error will always be higher than that of a factory turbo.-----


    you have got to be kidding, you think they just have stashes of k03's laying around that they are deciding to modify into e05s. i think a company like Borg knows how many cars they plan to supply with k03s for the year and actually plan production. Seriously, you guys need to get a life, and stop talking about "failures" that haven't even been proven.
    Ever heard of supply and demand? It is not BORG making E05's, it is EuroSpec... K03's are more readily available, while K04-15 bolt-on's have been on backorder for quite some time, why is that? I know for damn sure it aint the dealers putting them on our cars... I never talked about "failure", just the possibility(ies) of modifying a turbo beyond what it's made for, it is YOU that needs to get a life, trying to misread and just looking for grounds to start some shit, why dont you look at the rest of the post. Otherwise, this is an OPEN DISCUSSION, which everybody is FREE to debate in a professional manner...if you dont like it, STFU and move on the the next post. :)

    Just what is it with you B6 owners getting tough behind the keyboard anyway? A nice little discussion and spirited debate, and shit just starts like no other. Quit the bitterness because our cars are slow, ban together and think of a SOLUTION and quit the bitching. Subaru owners look at us like the laughingstock of AWD cars--SLOW AS HELL cars, yet owners have bigger egos and foulmouths than everyone else.

    One word: CHILLLLL, please. Let this thread remain OPEN for once, without AZ Admins/Mod's coming on here with a can of whoopass (banning, and locking the thread.
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    Originally posted by OOOO
    Ever heard of supply and demand? It is not BORG making E05's, it is EuroSpec... K03's are more readily available, while K04-15 bolt-on's have been on backorder for quite some time, why is that? I know for damn sure it aint the dealers putting them on our cars... I never talked about "failure", just the possibility(ies) of modifying a turbo beyond it's made for, it is YOU that needs to get a life, trying to misread and just looking for grounds to start some shit, why dont you look at the rest of the post. Otherwise, this is an OPEN DISCUSSION, which everybody is FREE to debate in a professional manner...if you dont like it, STFU and move on the the next post. :)

    Just what is it with you B6 owners getting tough behind the keyboard anyway? A nice little discussion and spirited debate, and shit just starts like no other. Quit the bitterness because our cars are slow, ban together and think of a SOLUTION and quit the bitching. Subaru owners look at us like the laughingstock of AWD cars--SLOW AS HELL cars, yet owners have bigger egos and foulmouths than everyone else.

    One word: CHILLLLL, please. Let this thread remain OPEN for once, without AZ Admins/Mod's coming on here with a can of whoopass (banning, and locking the thread.
    .....very well put and thanks for keeping this chill.....no need to get hostile peeps!!
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    Originally posted by OOOO
    One word: CHILLLLL, please. Let this thread remain OPEN for once, without AZ Admins/Mod's coming on here with a can of whoopass (banning, and locking the thread.
    And don't think we won't...


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    I guess we started the E05 thing again....lol

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    Originally posted by Imperial
    And don't think we won't...


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    WTF are you guys? Cops?

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    Originally posted by OOOO
    WTF are you guys? Cops?
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    Originally posted by Imperial
    We are keepers of the peace
    Daymmmnnnn...the power of the keyboard :) It can piss off, offend, hurt people, get you laid, let you buy stuff, and be NOW used to keep the peace. Aint technology wonderful? :)

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    Originally posted by OOOO
    Daymmmnnnn...the power of the keyboard :) It can piss off, offend, hurt people, get you laid, let you buy stuff, and be NOW used to keep the peace. Aint technology wonderful? :)
    hahaha.....it can get you laid.....know from experience????
    Ok back on topic sorry...
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    Originally posted by Foo's Girl
    hahaha.....it can get you laid.....know from experience????
    Ok back on topic sorry...
    If FooFighter approves of it, go check out sites like eharmony.com (not that I have any personal experience..haha)...or even friendster.com (aka Whorester), I believe FooFighter is still on my "Friends" list, wonder what his intentions are. :-D

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    Originally posted by OOOO
    Ever heard of supply and demand? It is not BORG making E05's, it is EuroSpec... K03's are more readily available, while K04-15 bolt-on's have been on backorder for quite some time, why is that? I know for damn sure it aint the dealers putting them on our cars... I never talked about "failure", just the possibility(ies) of modifying a turbo beyond what it's made for, it is YOU that needs to get a life, trying to misread and just looking for grounds to start some shit, why dont you look at the rest of the post. Otherwise, this is an OPEN DISCUSSION, which everybody is FREE to debate in a professional manner...if you dont like it, STFU and move on the the next post. :)

    Just what is it with you B6 owners getting tough behind the keyboard anyway? A nice little discussion and spirited debate, and shit just starts like no other. Quit the bitterness because our cars are slow, ban together and think of a SOLUTION and quit the bitching. Subaru owners look at us like the laughingstock of AWD cars--SLOW AS HELL cars, yet owners have bigger egos and foulmouths than everyone else.

    One word: CHILLLLL, please. Let this thread remain OPEN for once, without AZ Admins/Mod's coming on here with a can of whoopass (banning, and locking the thread.

    ....im not the one paying 6k a year for insurance....
    I just highly doubt that Eurospec is buying k03s bc they are "so cheap", but i really am not going to get into it. Either way, 6months provides enough time for Borg to start producing K04s if there was that much of a demand for them. i think Borg is supplying audi and vw with a considerable amount of k03s also. So unless there has been a huge change in sales, you are very far off basis (I am also pretty positive Audi has a contract with Borg to buy Xnumber of units on a monthly basis) Hence thier production = demand. And excess is based on a model of known failures... Don't make assumptions.

    I am not starting shit, but i really dislike people bad mouthing an unproven/disproven product

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    also, 0000, I see you registered about a week ago so unless you have been hard at work for the past week reading up on stories that may or may not surround this issue, you have probably been banned from this forum once before.

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    Originally posted by nadroj81
    I am not starting shit, but i really dislike people bad mouthing an unproven/disproven product
    Unproven/disproven, you just answered your own question. :)

    Did I badmouth the E05? If I did, please quote me. Like you said, I, along with some others, simply have doubts about this "unproven" turbo you seem to love dearly and think is the "best thing to happen to mankind since sliced bread." There is not really a point of me and you bashing each other. If you got something to prove, go buy a E05, slap it on, run it hard, and get back to us in about a year. If the thing holds up like it claims, then you will have my full support and I will give a public apology. But please, if it does "blow" or have gives you problems, please also let us know as well and dont try to "cover it up" like a secret government scandal. Is this not being reasonable?

    And what does my insurance premium (because I drive like an ASSHOLE, and I'm not even from NYC!) have to do w/ this thread anyway? :) Stick w/ the topic bro.
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    Originally posted by OOOO
    If FooFighter approves of it, go check out sites like eharmony.com (not that I have any personal experience..haha)...or even friendster.com (aka Whorester), I believe FooFighter is still on my "Friends" list, wonder what his intentions are. :-D
    So Foofighter......lol......what are YOUR intentions.....????
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    Originally posted by nadroj81
    also, 0000, I see you registered about a week ago so unless you have been hard at work for the past week reading up on stories that may or may not surround this issue, you have probably been banned from this forum once before.
    Maybe that's true, maybe it aint. If you know my "style" of posting, you should know who I am. I got nothing to hide and my IP address is public to all the AZ Admins, unlike some people who comes back on here pretending to be someone else to endorse more of his products.


    Originally posted by nadroj81
    Seriously, you guys need to get a life
    Look who's the one looking people up, and trying to find dirt. You have too much time on your hands.

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    Originally posted by OOOO
    Quit the bitterness because our cars are slow, ban together and think of a SOLUTION and quit the bitching. Subaru owners look at us like the laughingstock of AWD cars--SLOW AS HELL cars, yet owners have bigger egos and foulmouths than everyone else.
    Speak for yourself...

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    Lets keep this thread on track sir's
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    Originally posted by DLSJ5
    I think there's been a few people bashing the E05 that really don't have specific info on it, but rather heresay and rumors as well as their personal opinions, mostly directed toward Ecode. The SK04 didn't get this much bashing and heated personal debate. Also Jordon, a K04 would void your warranty, but I do agree that it has a proven track record and the longivity of the E05 has yet to be proven. We'll see, we should all hope for the best, it's a nice upgrade and does have more power than a K04.
    Agree, people bashing the E05 w/o facts has become what seems to be a backlash or jealousy thing after the string of positive reviews of people who have had E05's installed on their cars. Some of it sounds like they have a hidden personal stake for/against the E05. People need to be more thick-skinned and less aggressive to keep this thread constructive.

    From what I have seen by comparing the E05 vs the K03 side by side:
    1) Larger exhaust and compressor wheels with more aggressive blade design, same shaft supporting increased loads (everyone knows this already).
    2) Housing for E05 has been machined on the inside to make room for the larger exhaust and compressor wheels. This means that, yes, the housing is thinner and therefore weaker.

    So it looks to be that the E05 is the farthest (so far) anyone has taken a KKK size turbo while fitting it into a stock housing. It also seems that right now E05 makes more power than any other KKK sized turbo. More Power = Less Reliability. No free lunch here. You want ultimate reliability, stay with a K03. AoA has a track record of being very conservative w/stock parts so K03 probably has huge safety margins. As an E05 owner, I'm hoping Eurospec didn't use all that margin up, I don't know, but I don't expect my E05 to have the same longevity as a K03 or K04.

    What remains to be seen is how much less reliability/longevity owners will have to deal with, whether it be 10k miles or 100k miles, we shall see. Anyone upgrading their turbos MUST know they are compromising the longevity of their engines and turbos, its just a matter of how much risk one is willing to take to get more performance. There are lots of people unwilling to take this risk and they choose to buy V6s instead of even a turbo K03. It's their personal choice, whether it stems from conservatism or ignorance. Right now, it seems those buying the E05 are at the other end of the spectrum (save for the guys w/big turbos, T28, ST28RS and the like). We're all trying to do our homework and make the choice that fits our personal performance/reliability/cost priorities. No need to bash anyone or any product without facts about the products or people's priorities. We're al here to learn and make our cars faster as we see fit.

    Kman, congrats, enjoy your E05. I've had mine for 3 weeks now, everything's running great and it's been worth every penny so far! Hope everything is well with your family and home.
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    Anyone dynoed there car yet with the E05...
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