Project Frontrash GT3071R :)

[AudiA4_20T]

Thank you sir!

Ill bet money I get close to if not at 400whp on pump with the meth with JUST drop in rods! Same bottom end with the head that my car is going to get I will hopefully get to 450 if not over on race gas before Im done!!

As Clint said, I got a great deal on everything ATP hence the reason Im doing it. Even at retail, it is much less than any of the tubular setups the B6 guys are running ... AND STILL not putting down any power. Chris is the closest to hitting the 400whp mark and I have no doubt he will do it very very soon!

Eventually and probably at the time of my head build the ATP mani and downpipe will be gone and my own tubular mani will take its place

Hey Shawn soon enough, 400awhp on pump gas is going to be fun

[A4ringedONE8T]

Hey Shawn soon enough, 400awhp on pump gas is going to be fun

Cant wait to see the results of your build! Get that thing done and a big turbo bolted to it!!!

[Don Supreme]

I call BS. I'm not one to brag, so I won't. But, with WI, cams and on 30-32psi, my car will most likely hit 400awhp. Money is the only thing holding me back, the returnless fuel system has not been an issue as everyone thought. I heard many statements about this a year ago when I said I was putting 630cc injs. and was going outside the box with a GT30. Fuck the nah sayers, I did it and it works. Plus I know that Gregs car put down 350awhp with a 28 series on a stock motor, so why wouldn't someone be able to do 400whp/awhp on a modded motor and 30 series?

Seriously, 32 psi dude?

I don't exactly call that reasonable boost for everyday driving.

[A4ringedONE8T]

Seriously, 32 psi dude?

I don't exactly call that reasonable boost for everyday driving.

If the motor is built for it why not? I know a few guys that DD 900-1,000whp Supra's that run boat loads of boost everyday. If the car takes it whats the problem??

[dirtybrd]

I going for everyday power, thats what the WI is for. Pump gas power. I have the motor for it just need money. This thing already cost me about 8k and I have a baby on the way. Oh and its a girl. We just found out yesterday!

[Don Supreme]

Yea Sean I agree with Shawn on this one, 400whp is easily done with FWD cars on a 3071R

I have seen tons of 3071 dynos on gtis and guess what, I can only think of one past 400 FWHP and that was on race gas.


I know the 3071 can put down 400 to the ground, but to use the term EASY is simply mis-leading. We don't have SRT4s here.

[A4ringedONE8T]

I going for everyday power, thats what the WI is for. Pump gas power. I have the motor for it just need money. This thing already cost me about 8k and I have a baby on the way. Oh and its a girl. We just found out yesterday!

Congrats

[Greg@DTH]

Is it done yet?

[dirtybrd]

I have seen tons of 3071 dynos on gtis and guess what, I can only think of one past 400 FWHP and that was on race gas.


I know the 3071 can put down 400 to the ground, but to use the term EASY is simply mis-leading. We don't have SRT4s here.

But I didn't build those cars.

[A4ringedONE8T]

I have seen tons of 3071 dynos on gtis and guess what, I can only think of one past 400 FWHP and that was on race gas.


I know the 3071 can put down 400 to the ground, but to use the term EASY is simply mis-leading. We don't have SRT4s here.

I did 300 with the GTRS, 23psi with a POS leaking DV. That was on pump settings and meth, nothing special. I know my car is around 315 now on those same settings. Im sure I could get around 340 on race gas with alot of timing. Theres no reason with 8-10lbs more boost on a 30 series turbo that I wont be knocking on the 400whp mark. If I can run 350-360whp daily that is all I care to do. My car will never put down 400+ whp on the road because it would be absolutely useless. Anything close to 400 or over will be strictly for a number and to say I did it

[A4ringedONE8T]

Is it done yet?

Is it the 2nd?

[Greg@DTH]

I have seen tons of 3071 dynos on gtis and guess what, I can only think of one past 400 FWHP and that was on race gas.


I know the 3071 can put down 400 to the ground, but to use the term EASY is simply mis-leading. We don't have SRT4s here.

ATP's T-28 flanged 30-71WG made 400AWHP on shitty Mika tuning, motor was a built 2 litler on a B5A4...

On the B6 it made about 350AWHP.

[dirtybrd]

How long ago was that?

[A4ringedONE8T]

ATP's T-28 flanged 30-71WG made 400AWHP on shitty Mika tuning, motor was a built 2 litler on a B5A4...

On the B6 it made about 350AWHP.

I remember seeing a setup on ATP's site when I first got my car, believe it was a 3076R with a built motor did over 400whp in a B6. This was before the Elim's were even a thought

[Don Supreme]

If the motor is built for it why not? I know a few guys that DD 900-1,000whp Supra's that run boat loads of boost everyday. If the car takes it whats the problem??

You are talking about slapping in rods, how does it constitute a motor built for 32 psi day in and day out.

I am not even going to talk about 1000 AWHP Supras, because there is more to that story I am sure, They probably don't run @ 1000 on 93 octane or have a low boost and high boost setting. Additionally, those engines will not last 100K without a rebuild.

Mike Hood has more money in his engine than anyone on here and it has been rebuilt @ least 3 times and he doesn't even drive it everyday.

You have to remember @ lets say 475 CHP thats over 118 HP per cylinder; thats a lot of stress. This is especially compared to a 500 HP Z06 which is only 62.5 HP per cylinder.

Now couple that with high boost pressure which is probably pushing cylinder pressure to astronomical levels @ 32 psi........... dear god.

[dirtybrd]

What's your point?

[A4ringedONE8T]

You are talking about slapping in rods, how does it constitute a motor built for 32 psi day in and day out.

I am not even going to talk about 1000 AWHP Supras, because there is more to that story I am sure, They probably don't run @ 1000 on 93 octane or have a low boost and high boost setting. Additionally, those engines will not last 100K without a rebuild.

Mike Hood has more money in his engine than anyone on here and it has been rebuilt @ least 3 times and he doesn't even drive it everyday.

You have to remember @ lets say 475 CHP thats over 118 HP per cylinder; thats a lot of stress. This is especially compared to a 500 HP Z06 which is only 62.5 HP per cylinder.

Now couple that with high boost pressure which is probably pushing cylinder pressure to astronomical levels @ 32 psi........... dear god.

I was referring to Chris's motor as it is more than built for that boost level, as I said my car is going to get tweaked for about 350whp once the rods are in, anything higher than that is going to be on a dyno and thats it, I never plan or planned on running stupid boost everyday with a motor with only rods in it!

[Don Supreme]

Theres no reason with 8-10lbs more boost on a 30 series turbo that I wont be knocking on the 400whp mark. If I can run 350-360whp daily that is all I care to do. My car will never put down 400+ whp on the road because it would be absolutely useless. Anything close to 400 or over will be strictly for a number and to say I did it

In fact, I dare say hitting a reliable 400 fwhp on pump gas will push the cost past your nominal cost goal (due to recommended headwork).

What's your point?

My point is:
8 - 10psi + 23psi = Too much boost to be considered reliable.

P.S. Congrats on the baby girl.

[Greg@DTH]

I ran 30PSI for two years straight on a stock block...I now run 22PSI on an 71R eliminator (small turbo but it sure looks emissions legal).

Never tossed a rod yet. It is all about the tuning.

[A4ringedONE8T]

I ran 30PSI for two years straight on a stock block...I now run 22PSI on an 71R eliminator (small turbo but it sure looks emissions legal).

Never tossed a rod yet. It is all about the tuning.

I hope I have your luck!

[Greg@DTH]

FWIW a motor almost identical to Chris' (built by Eurocode) put down 402FWHP at last years ETGP.

Trust me, Chris' motor is built way stronger than that. The GTI made 402FWHP on the OEM ECM using APR Stage 3+++ programming (just a 28-71R .64).

I would not think twice about spinning Chris' motor to 10,000 if he built his head correctly.

[dirtybrd]

Motor= love!

[Greg@DTH]

I hope I have your luck!

It is not luck...

[A4ringedONE8T]

It is not luck...

Can you and David build me a head for a reasonable amount? If he has a core to do it up, when I put it on my car I will send him mine as a replacement.

[dirtybrd]

Yo know what would be cool, just build a head and dyno it before and after still on the GTRS. I'd like to see the difference just headwork does.

[Greg@DTH]

Can you and David build me a head for a reasonable amount? If he has a core to do it up, when I put it on my car I will send him mine as a replacement.

Shawn he should have a core and I am sure he will build one. I will call him right now and get the details for you.

Let me know up front...do you want to provide the parts and have them do the assembly or to you want David to source everything?

There is about 5 hours of labor installing the valves and what not ($400), it is not fun to do, Chris can vouch for that.

[dirtybrd]

My cheek can. It's like rebuilding an eng. through the tail pipe.

[Greg@DTH]

Yo know what would be cool, just build a head and dyno it before and after still on the GTRS. I'd like to see the difference just headwork does.

I'll probably do a head and IE rods in February. I am not going to change a thing with the turbo setup except add a HFC.

Maybe we will dyno before and after. I'll probably add a 100HP wet shot for the drags too.

[dirtybrd]

Damn, I thought you were done with your car. It seems like its been forever since you've done something to it. IEs, interesting.

[Greg@DTH]

I am done...sorta...

Tracee wants to hit up all of the track events this year. I will not be home but every other weekend so I need to make it turn key reliable for her (just add fuel, log the car and go).

I do not like other guys looking at my shit....

[dirtybrd]

That'd be the way to go then. How far are you going on the head?

[Greg@DTH]

Exhaust valves, springs and Schrick camshaft. I'll spin to 8K on spray.

[Don Supreme]

Shawn he should have a core and I am sure he will build one. I will call him right now and get the details for you.

Let me know up front...do you want to provide the parts and have them do the assembly or to you want David to source everything?

There is about 5 hours of labor installing the valves and what not ($400), it is not fun to do, Chris can vouch for that.

You will gain revs, but not power.
What about cams and P&P job?

[dirtybrd]

Why not meth?

[Don Supreme]

Exhaust valves, springs and Schrick camshaft. I'll spin to 8K on spray.

nice....

How much for the Schrick? I am shooting for 8K myself.... I really really need it.

[Greg@DTH]

You will gain revs, but not power.
What about cams and P&P job?

P&P is useless on FI. the turbo will stuff as much air in the cylinders as possible.

Fuel, Air and Ingnition = Power

[Greg@DTH]

nice....

How much for the Schrick? I am shooting for 8K myself.... I really really need it.

Probably a Kidney these days...the dollar to Euro sucks. The last set I bought was about $500.

I could see it being $800 easily now. The full kit prolly runs $1400 (used to be $1100)

[Don Supreme]

P&P is useless on FI. the turbo will stuff as much air in the cylinders as possible.

Fuel, Air and Ingnition = Power

Completely disagree here.....

P&P makes significant gains especially on FI. You think that a 80 CFM increase will not yield HP? Its all about flow, the more you can get in and get out the more power you will make.....The same reason you are getting cams....... Longer duration, more lift = more air in and more air out where it counts in the rev range.

Audi folks sleep on the head waaaaaay too much.

Probably a Kidney these days...the dollar to Euro sucks. The last set I bought was about $500.

I could see it being $800 easily now. The full kit prolly runs $1400 (used to be $1100)

indeed.

[zemun2]

Completely disagree here.....

P&P makes significant gains especially on FI. You think that a 80 CFM increase will not yield HP? Its all about flow, the more you can get in and get out the more power you will make.....The same reason you are getting cams....... Longer duration, more lift = more air in and more air out where it counts in the rev range.

I think what Greg ment to say is that by raising boost some 2-3 psi you can make same power as with p&p.
So save money and raise boost.
Or just buy bigger turbo, its sure cheaper then head work

[Greg@DTH]

There are 3 intake valves and 2 exhaust valves hardly any material to work with even if you wanted to port the intake side. Gasket matching is all I have done and it seems to be fine.

Flow increase will only help off boost and the motor will not make any power off boost anyways.

The only reason I am getting Shrick cams is to shift the powerband into the upper RPMs and open up the exhaust flow. Other than gasket matching and porting the exhaust manifold for increased flow (which I already have), there is no real work to be done to head.

Once you toss spray into the equation everything changes. Nitrous is an oxidizer, expands to pure volumetric efficiency and it also has cooling properties. Spray will take over where the 71R eliminator wears off.

Perfect for the long straights at Thunderhill or 4th gear at the QM.