Project Frontrash GT3071R :)

[A4ringedONE8T]

Well guys, my order is in and now just a wait till the parts get here! Everything ships tomorrow and hopefully won't take too much extra time with the holidays!

While there are a few people who have gone beyond the normal BT's, I believe I will be the first with FWD!! To my knowledge, no one has ever outlined exactly what was needed to step to the next level! Hopefully this will be helpful for those of you that decide to do this as well!

I also wanted to tell you guys I have finally got into the German tuning scene!! Got the opportunity to start up a new shop with a partner and things are going strong after just a short time! Look forward to bringing some specials to AZ and helping you guys with anything you should need! www.b-p-design.com is our shop, not alot on the site as of now but it will grow! (Anthony hurry up and reply to one of my many emails about the AZ Advertiser stuff)

What brought me to the 3071R project, we just recently set up our ATP account and couldnt help but take the opportunity to upgrade my car and hopefully bring some attention to our shop using a more affordable solution (and not custom) to the tubular mani's, etc that are popping up all over the place! Everything I plan to run is from ATP, one stop shopping! As we know ATP has had some hickups but I very much believe you can make power with all of their products, Im hopefully going to prove that!

A quick description of my new setup:

GT3071R (.63 a/r, 3.0" Vband Exhaust Housing, 4" Inlet w/ Antisurge and polished compressor housing)

ATP T3 Manifold

ATP 3" VBand Downpipe

Tial 38mm External Wastegate with open dump

I know the people that have gone BAT have jumped right into the motor but I want to take everything in stages to show what can be done and also to iron out tuning along the way!

My first setup will include everything I have coming running off Genesis 430's and the stock 2.75" MAF. I want to get any tweaks required and recorded for those of you who would like to do this in the future and not have to "experiment" with anything!

Second, Im going to upgrade to 550's and a 3" MAF, again get the tuning tweaked and record any changes required via lemmiwinks!

Hopefully this will bring me around April-May when I plan to pull the motor. My exact motor build Im still thinking about, I think running this setup on the stock motor will give me an opportunity to see if I want to keep a 1.8 with the build or if I want to jump up to a 2.0 for a quicker spool!

I also plan to dyno on each of the setups so I have an accurate number for each setup!

I think thats enough rambling for now Should be a start to a great project!

Frontrash FTW!

Shawn

[SinisterA4]

Looking forward to reading this thread as your car progresses. Someone should buy his GTRS kit!

[IronAudi]

Should be very sick WHERE ARE THE PIC'S

[A4ringedONE8T]

Should be very sick WHERE ARE THE PIC'S

I dont have anything to take pictures of yet!

[mtbrider]

Sounds good Shawn!!

[Papachristou]

you think you will be able to take down an rs4 then?

[A4ringedONE8T]

you think you will be able to take down an rs4 then?

I have no doubt On stock bottom end Im going to tweak the car out for about 320whp on pump, about 25whp more than I have right now on conservative pump settings

[Ill 3.0]

Nice looking website. Good luck with the shop and project, looking forward to seeing what you can offer once you're an Advertiser.

[dougyfresh]

Awesome. Good to see the website up and running. Looks like you guys got a good bus. plan.

convert your car from front-wheel drive to all-wheel drive,

Golf to R32 conversion or is your car going to become Quattro?

[tuned A4]

i picked up a couple of things from shawn. he did good on the pricing and he is easy to do business with. good luck with your shop, i am sure it will do well. now lets just hope our parts get here fast!!

[Papachristou]

I have no doubt On stock bottom end Im going to tweak the car out for about 320whp on pump, about 25whp more than I have right now on conservative pump settings

i hope so.... i hate snobby people...


u going to get us a good snub mount then? i need one soon!

[A4ringedONE8T]

i picked up a couple of things from shawn. he did good on the pricing and he is easy to do business with. good luck with your shop, i am sure it will do well. now lets just hope our parts get here fast!!

Thank you sir!! You were my first ... AZ customer

[A4ringedONE8T]

i hope so.... i hate snobby people...


u going to get us a good snub mount then? i need one soon!

Yes I am working on a Snub GB just awaiting word back from Apikol (and Anthony )

[A4ringedONE8T]

Awesome. Good to see the website up and running. Looks like you guys got a good bus. plan.

Golf to R32 conversion or is your car going to become Quattro?

Nope its staying the frontrash it deserves to be!

[Papachristou]

some said the apikol is the same as APR just blue instead of red?

tell me it isnt so!

[HeymyAudi]

Goodluck hope it all works out!

[A4ringedONE8T]

some said the apikol is the same as APR just blue instead of red?

tell me it isnt so!

Not that I know of, the only other choice is Neuspeed which I know has inheirant vibrations. I was hoping the 034 would fit but thats a definite no!

[Don Supreme]

4" inlet and anti-surge huh? 4" seems a little large for a 3071, also are these turbos prone to surging?

Is ATP providing a down pipe?

[A4ringedONE8T]

4" inlet and anti-surge huh? 4" seems a little large for a 3071, also are these turbos prone to surging?

Is ATP providing a down pipe?

My reason for going with the 4" is I might try one of the ATP 3.5" MAF housings down the road. I think the 3.5" MAF and 550's would be as close of a match as possible to 2.75" and 440's ratio. I think it may run better that way rather than a VR6 housing and 550's with lemmi tweaks. Just one of the things I thought about. So because of that I ruled out the 3" inlet. When I ordered everything yesterday, they highly recommended the anti surge housing with the 4" inlet on a smaller 4 cyl. He said it would be fine without it but he would recommend I do it. For a small extra charge figured why not, what could it hurt?

Yes I got a 3" ATP Vband Downpipe

[Don Supreme]

Well goodluck on this project. I wish I had gone 3071 from the get go and skipped the eliminator. The only problem is you have to be committed to building the bottom end to handle it.

The 3071 should be an excellent street turbo on the 1.8t (Where BT / BATS are concerned).

I am concerned on your choice of ATP as your hardware supplier. I especially want to know how that down pipe works out for you.

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I look forward to seeing your build.

Mine should be completed in the next 48 hours and we can compare notes.

[A4ringedONE8T]

Well goodluck on this project. I wish I had gone 3071 from the get go and skipped the eliminator. The only problem is you have to be committed to building the bottom end to handle it.

The 3071 should be an excellent street turbo on the 1.8t (Where BT / BATS are concerned).

I am concerned on your choice of ATP as your hardware supplier. I especially want to know how that down pipe works out for you.

I am extremely concerned as well but if everything bolts up as Im hoping I think it will be a great alternative (and more affordable) than the many tubular setups that are popping up now. I will tell you it was a complete pain to get all the pieces to have it be "bolt on." My order consisteed of 27 items I believe as every nut, bolt, adaptor, and fitting has to be ordered seperate. If everything fits as Im hoping I am going to setup a "kit" with them so it will be a buy and bolt on like the Elim's. I know most people dont give ATP the time of day but I really do think you can put together a respectable kit with there hardware. Should be installing Jan. 1st so we will see very soon!

[A4ringedONE8T]

Another thing I was thinking about is look at all the Active Turbo'd BMW's, they ALL use a log style manifold similar to the ATP and push upwards of 800-1000whp through them. While their quality might be slight better, I doubt the flow characteristics can be much different

[AudiA4_20T]

Shawn the flow characteristics are much different lol....

but anyway YGPM again hah

[A4ringedONE8T]

I look forward to seeing your build.

Mine should be completed in the next 48 hours and we can compare notes.

You almost made me go to a 3076R but I really think the 3071R is a better match for our engine! Cant wait to see your car finished up and what #'s she puts down!

[QuattroRocket]

Good luck mate. I will watch with interest as my GT28r is sitting on a garage floor till spring so there is still time for me to change my mind :-)

[A4ringedONE8T]

Shawn the flow characteristics are much different lol....

but anyway YGPM again hah

And you've seen flow tests for each or is that just speculation??

[x1rider]

Shawn, do you think you'll sell carputer kits like you have in your car (all ready to install) through your business eventually?

[dirtybrd]

Shawn and Winston both had to wait for the Trendsetter! J/K.

[Silence]

Hmm, kudos on the project, but ATP stuff has been used already with poor results. THe manifold is an EXTREME PITA to get on and off, and additionally, because of the stress the bolts take, being hoizontal, they are prone to get loose often and even break. That is why so many new log manis have popped up on the scene in the VW world.

[A4ringedONE8T]

Just got off the phone with ATP, the more I deal with them the better feelings I get! My stuff was about to ship and someone caught a possible problem. I had ordered the Vband exhaust housing to try and keep things as clean as possible. I guess with the design of the Vband housing it places the turbo out a bit more away from the manifold. They were concerned about the downpipe mating up because of that. They werent sure if it WOULDNT fit but they havent tried it. They recommended that I go with a 5 bolt exhaust flange with a 5 bolt to Vband adaptor plate, which will mate to the Vband downpipe!

And with that, my stuff is shipping today, ahead of schedule!

GO ATP!

No worries of bolts loosening, I will have Nordlocks on the four turbo to mani bolts with this one as well!!

[A4ringedONE8T]

Shawn, do you think you'll sell carputer kits like you have in your car (all ready to install) through your business eventually?

Thats something I can very much consider or if you would like one, I would gladly get the pieces and put it together for you and ship it to you without dealings of the business. I really doubt I would get any deals on the stuff just because of the nature of it. If you would like to look into it let me know what you would like. Check out www.mp3car.com and www.mini-box.com

[x1rider]

Thats something I can very much consider or if you would like one, I would gladly get the pieces and put it together for you and ship it to you without dealings of the business. I really doubt I would get any deals on the stuff just because of the nature of it. If you would like to look into it let me know what you would like. Check out www.mp3car.com and www.mini-box.com

Great, thanks a lot, I'll have a look at the websites!

BTW if you're not happy with the lines you get and want to make your own, here is a great website, they have a lot of braided stainless steel hoses and all the fittings you could ever want.
http://www.holley.com/categories.asp?division=Earls

[A4ringedONE8T]

Great, thanks a lot, I'll have a look at the websites!

BTW if you're not happy with the lines you get and want to make your own, here is a great website, they have a lot of braided stainless steel hoses and all the fittings you could ever want.
http://www.holley.com/categories.asp?division=Earls

I took ATP's recommendations on oil/coolant lines, I hope they gave me the correct stuff!

[Silence]

Just got off the phone with ATP, the more I deal with them the better feelings I get! My stuff was about to ship and someone caught a possible problem. I had ordered the Vband exhaust housing to try and keep things as clean as possible. I guess with the design of the Vband housing it places the turbo out a bit more away from the manifold. They were concerned about the downpipe mating up because of that. They werent sure if it WOULDNT fit but they havent tried it. They recommended that I go with a 5 bolt exhaust flange with a 5 bolt to Vband adaptor plate, which will mate to the Vband downpipe!

And with that, my stuff is shipping today, ahead of schedule!

GO ATP!

No worries of bolts loosening, I will have Nordlocks on the four turbo to mani bolts with this one as well!!

Tons of people have used the nord-locks on this manifold, to no avail. The problem isnt the bolts, it's the stress they get and vibration of motor, be horizontal as opposed to vertical. If you're fine with fiddling with it iften, you'll be ok, but from what I gather, you're more of a do it once, and do it right person, which then this manifold will bother you. Just a friendly warning.

[A4ringedONE8T]

Yes I am very much a do it right first person but if I have to fiddle I will fiddle. My motor is coming out in April-May and also by that time our shop will have a welder/fab guy for anything we need. I plan then to switch over to a tubular mani and new DP. If the ATP is that bad Ill just have to deal with it until then

[A4ringedONE8T]

And people acted like it was something space age with the Nordlocks on the Elim mani. I know the experiences with the T25/T3 mani were before that, I cant imagine too many people tried them

[A4TUNE]

sweet good luck on the project and business, i'm sure i'll be following it as well. your setup just keeps getting bigger and better, just don't ever sell those hre's haha. let me know when that apikol GB goes down.

[A4ringedONE8T]

HRE's may possibly already be on the chopping block We'll see after the turbo

[F16HTON]

And people acted like it was something space age with the Nordlocks on the Elim mani. I know the experiences with the T25/T3 mani were before that, I cant imagine too many people tried them

Nordlocks work well for the OEM type setup but the T25/T3 flanged ATP manifold does not really have issues with coming loose, what you will see is bolt shear.

The bolts shear off one by one because the physics of the longitudal motor put extreme stress on them.

Fortuntely they are not too hard to replace, wrenching on a BT setup is normal.