Turbo questions...lots

[sweettalker]

Is it really that hard to make a manifold with a diff flange? Can I just buy like a honda turbo manifold with the appropriate end (for the turbo bolt pattern) and chop that off and weld it on with my stock manifold or something?

Also someone told me that the t28 is similar sizing as the t3?

Also why isn't anyone running a cheap turbo (like a t3 or t3/t4 hybrid) and making a manifold or get an adapter or something?

Why isn't anyone getting the turbo, and injectors (from ECS tuning) then running the Revo big turbo software? isn't that all you need?

I'm so surprised why people are not tackling anything.. They just opt for the E05/k04.. I'm the type of person who wants more than those....but don't want to spend as much as buying a gt28rs I think there are cheaper/better turbos out there.

If software is the problem, couldn't we get a manual boost controller like the greddy profec to rely on boost pressure and run the chip to rely on the fuel/air/timing?

I'm thinking about tackling this garrett T series turbo idea, it doesn't seem all that hard to me. That guy who made a video of him vs the M3 seems to be running only with greddy profec B, t28 turbo, injectors, manifold and Revo programming with FMIC.

I wish we had more people doing this kinda stuff... I'm new to Audi turbo upgrades but am familiar with the honda/acura stuff... please enlighten me with your suggestions and opinions, I want to try this before my warranty runs out so incase something happens, i can put it back and get warranty

[bbaudi382]

yes...no...yes...no...maybeso....who knows...lalala i dont know =)

[bhvrdr]

Originally posted by sweettalker
Is it really that hard to make a manifold with a diff flange? Can I just buy like a honda turbo manifold with the appropriate end (for the turbo bolt pattern) and chop that off and weld it on with my stock manifold or something?

Also someone told me that the t28 is similar sizing as the t3?

Also why isn't anyone running a cheap turbo (like a t3 or t3/t4 hybrid) and making a manifold or get an adapter or something?

Why isn't anyone getting the turbo, and injectors (from ECS tuning) then running the Revo big turbo software? isn't that all you need?

I'm so surprised why people are not tackling anything.. They just opt for the E05/k04.. I'm the type of person who wants more than those....but don't want to spend as much as buying a gt28rs I think there are cheaper/better turbos out there.

If software is the problem, couldn't we get a manual boost controller like the greddy profec to rely on boost pressure and run the chip to rely on the fuel/air/timing?

I'm thinking about tackling this garrett T series turbo idea, it doesn't seem all that hard to me. That guy who made a video of him vs the M3 seems to be running only with greddy profec B, t28 turbo, injectors, manifold and Revo programming with FMIC.

I wish we had more people doing this kinda stuff... I'm new to Audi turbo upgrades but am familiar with the honda/acura stuff... please enlighten me with your suggestions and opinions, I want to try this before my warranty runs out so incase something happens, i can put it back and get warranty

Hello,
With regards to just adding on a MBC, this option would not work very well with a big turbo since we would need new injectors and a larger MAF housing that our factory ECU would not be mapped for. The Audi car is a bit more picky than some of the Japanese models.

The Revo big turbo software is promising but we must realize that it is still in it's beta form and it does require a MBC as well as a disconnection of the MAF (probably because the software is not tuned for a 3" MAF). This is to make up for some of the more difficult aspects of tuning a kit for a big turbo. I understand that a person from Revo is coming soon to attempt at resolving many of these issues and making the software closer to public release.

We will soon see some other software that will be well tuned for the B6. This will be from GIAC and will be tuned from the bottom up. It is not a morph of existing software. This should be promising. APR has also supposedly readied a big turbo package but will not sell their software seperately. MTM and O.CT will represent the TUV big money kits that will be released.

Cheers! Mike

[Black 8E]

The men from REVO to fine tune the big turbo program would be founder of REVO? Mitchell or Frank? the top dogs in the ecu tuning field..

[OOOO]

Originally posted by sweettalker
Is it really that hard to make a manifold with a diff flange? Can I just buy like a honda turbo manifold with the appropriate end (for the turbo bolt pattern) and chop that off and weld it on with my stock manifold or something?

Also someone told me that the t28 is similar sizing as the t3?

Also why isn't anyone running a cheap turbo (like a t3 or t3/t4 hybrid) and making a manifold or get an adapter or something?

Why isn't anyone getting the turbo, and injectors (from ECS tuning) then running the Revo big turbo software? isn't that all you need?

I'm so surprised why people are not tackling anything.. They just opt for the E05/k04.. I'm the type of person who wants more than those....but don't want to spend as much as buying a gt28rs I think there are cheaper/better turbos out there.

If software is the problem, couldn't we get a manual boost controller like the greddy profec to rely on boost pressure and run the chip to rely on the fuel/air/timing?

I'm thinking about tackling this garrett T series turbo idea, it doesn't seem all that hard to me. That guy who made a video of him vs the M3 seems to be running only with greddy profec B, t28 turbo, injectors, manifold and Revo programming with FMIC.

I wish we had more people doing this kinda stuff... I'm new to Audi turbo upgrades but am familiar with the honda/acura stuff... please enlighten me with your suggestions and opinions, I want to try this before my warranty runs out so incase something happens, i can put it back and get warranty

The Audi (and most other European cars) is like a piece of fine computer equipment that requires SOFTWARE (drivers, kernels, etc...NOT Generic Microsoft drivers). Though Garrett (T)turbos may be "cheaper", the overall costs on Audi's to make them run properly costs more than just "bolting on a K04/SK04" (E05... =X), which includes manifolds, brackets, new plumbing (overall R&D time involved). It's not impossible, but no company has stepped up yet to produce a "affordable" T series kit, in the same time not many software companies would even support it. If the "demand" is good, then perhaps. If not, people have been spicing up REVO software to run the T series turbos, but it is just a Mickey Mouse tune, for the cars have no MAF sensors, and everything is pretty much tweeked. And if you ever notice, you cannot add devices like Profec-B, AVC-R, AFC, AFR to just "splice in" the ECU like you can a Japanese car...Audi's just wouldnt run right, period. :(

It's like buying yourself a nice video card for your computer, only to find out there's no drivers for the thing. It's all about supply and demand.

Though you are right... Garrett T series turbos themselves are cheaper than KKK's. You can find T28 turbos for $500-600 (brand new), and GT28R (Better version of the T28) for $600-700. The T28 is OEM on some cars, including the Nissan S14's, so you can even find a used one for dirt cheap.

[OOOO]

Originally posted by bbaudi382
yes...no...yes...no...maybeso....who knows...lalala i dont know =)

bbaudi382,

Give this man some credit. He's not talking lambo doors and Blow off valves, and talking PERFORMANCE here... so CHiLLLLLL.....

[foofighter]

you know this topic would be really good in the newly launched forced induction forum...hint hint

[EVIL-AUDI]

No way would you do that with a manifold.

No the T28 is not sized like a T3

Software, hardware, and tuning is an issue with that kinda turbo.

Buy all the parts then go looking for tuning and your answer is GOOD LUCK.

[Devious27t]

Originally posted by OOOO
bbaudi382,

Give this man some credit. He's not talking lambo doors and Blow off valves, and talking PERFORMANCE here... so CHiLLLLLL.....

OWNED!

[OOOO]

Originally posted by foofighter
you know this topic would be really good in the newly launched forced induction forum...hint hint

foofighter,

You have too much time on your hand?...or looking into hiring some moderators and even cybercops to moderate a "forced induction" forum? (you might as well off the bat just name it "gladiator forum" to begin with).

*EDIT* by Admin

[Devious27t]

Originally posted by OOOO
The Audi (and most other European cars) is like a piece of fine computer equipment that requires SOFTWARE (drivers, kernels, etc...NOT Generic Microsoft drivers). Though Garrett (T)turbos may be "cheaper", the overall costs on Audi's to make them run properly costs more than just "bolting on a K04/SK04" (E05... =X), which includes manifolds, brackets, new plumbing (overall R&D time involved). It's not impossible, but no company has stepped up yet to produce a "affordable" T series kit, in the same time not many software companies would even support it. If the "demand" is good, then perhaps. If not, people have been spicing up REVO software to run the T series turbos, but it is just a Mickey Mouse tune, for the cars have no MAF sensors, and everything is pretty much tweeked. And if you ever notice, you cannot add devices like Profec-B, AVC-R, AFC, AFR to just "splice in" the ECU like you can a Japanese car...Audi's just wouldnt run right, period. :(

It's like buying yourself a nice video card for your computer, only to find out there's no drivers for the thing. It's all about supply and demand.

Though you are right... Garrett T series turbos themselves are cheaper than KKK's. You can find T28 turbos for $500-600 (brand new), and GT28R (Better version of the T28) for $600-700. The T28 is OEM on some cars, including the Nissan S14's, so you can even find a used one for dirt cheap.

like a fine piece of computer equipment, lol its no different than any other car, except the people who know how to crack the software control the market and have not released end-user programmable tuning software, there are other options (piggy back type) that are being worked on right now but wiring diagrams to explain what wires go where are few and far between. a friend and i currently have someone in germany trying to track this info down for all MY's

Garrett turbos are not necessarily cheaper either but they are much better. you have to be careful quoting prices for turbos esp with garrett as there are different trim sizes, the ones that are used for PES kits and the like are large trim t25 exhaust.t28 compressor hybrids and they are more expensive. you would think it would be that easy to buy a turbo off of ebay for but you dont know what you are getting most of the time.

do they make manifolds for your car? yes they do ATP and turbonetics both make longitudinal manifolds for the 1.8t. T28 has a smaller flange that connects to the exhaust manifold than a T3. though they are both 4 bolt.

in regards to why people arent tackling any of the big turbo projects. my assumption would be that most of the people who drive B6 audis bought them brand new and drive them everyday, they are most likely afraid to take the chance and get stuck without a car, not to mention most people dont wanna go gung ho performance wise on their brand new 35000 car. if you get a body kit maybe you are down for a week, with a custom turbo setup that could take months to tune i dont think people are willing to risk it.

[OOOO]

Originally posted by DVS18t
like a fine piece of computer equipment, lol its no different than any other car, except the people who know how to crack the software control the market and have not released end-user programmable tuning software, there are other options (piggy back type) that are being worked on right now but wiring diagrams to explain what wires go where are few and far between. a friend and i currently have someone in germany trying to track this info down for all MY's

Garrett turbos are not necessarily cheaper either but they are much better. you have to be careful quoting prices for turbos esp with garrett as there are different trim sizes, the ones that are used for PES kits and the like are large trim t25 exhaust.t28 compressor hybrids and they are more expensive. you would think it would be that easy to buy a turbo off of ebay for but you dont know what you are getting most of the time.

do they make manifolds for your car? yes they do ATP and turbonetics both make longitudinal manifolds for the 1.8t. T28 has a smaller flange that connects to the exhaust manifold than a T3. though they are both 4 bolt.

in regards to why people arent tackling any of the big turbo projects. my assumption would be that most of the people who drive B6 audis bought them brand new and drive them everyday, they are most likely afraid to take the chance and get stuck without a car, not to mention most people dont wanna go gung ho performance wise on their brand new 35000 car. if you get a body kit maybe you are down for a week, with a custom turbo setup that could take months to tune i dont think people are willing to risk it.

B6 owners, what do you expect?

[EVIL-AUDI]

Originally posted by OOOO
foofighter,

You have too much time on your hand?...or looking into hiring some moderators and even cybercops to moderate a "forced induction" forum? (you might as well off the bat just name it "gladiator forum" to begin with).

*EDIT by Admin

You're not heping in any way.

[OOOO]

Originally posted by EVIL-AUDI
You're not heping in any way.

Not helping in any way, true

But not hurting in any way, probably true as well.

It's the truth of what's been going on, and you know it.

[Silence]

Exactly! I can't believe Duan not only sees this and allows it, but also comments on how funny it is. Should be removed as far as I'm concerned...

[EVIL-AUDI]

Don't tell me what I know and I don't. I find none of it amusing.

[OOOO]

These are just true events that has happened, and it's the PAST. If you're not supossed to laugh and even joke about it to get it behind you, are you supossed to CRY about it? Obviously Duan gets the humor, but some people dont.

[Devious27t]

Originally posted by OOOO
Not helping in any way, true

But not hurting in any way, probably true as well.

It's the truth of what's been going on, and you know it.

you should just start a gladiator forum and the ones that get out of hand just transfer them there and let people go at it.

[EVIL-AUDI]

Some people just aren't funny. It's that simple.

[Silence]

Originally posted by OOOO
These are just true events that has happened, and it's the PAST. If you're not supossed to laugh and even joke about it to get it behind you, are you supossed to CRY about it? Obviously Duan gets the humor, but some people dont.

Right.... there's nothing but mailicious intent within your post. It's obviously skewed to one side. If you can't comprehend why Duan should codemn stuff like this publicly, then I don't know what to tell you...

[EVIL-AUDI]

Blah, let's get back on topic regarding everything turbo this started with.

[foofighter]

let's all get back on track OOOO you had your fun with it let's ALL move on there's still a sensitive nerve about this so let's not open it back up again.

[CO AVANT]

This thread has become worthless...

[foofighter]

Originally posted by Silence
Exactly! I can't believe Duan not only sees this and allows it, but also comments on how funny it is. Should be removed as far as I'm concerned...

my apologies...sometimes i forget that i'm admin and just slip out into my role.

All is rectified.