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    Just an update to a thread on AW in regards to the newly released PSS 9 kit...

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    Available to the B6 crowd. BTW, the B5 boys can't even get that kit, so....

    Just spoke to Bilstein USA in California.

    The North American version uses the same shock housings as the Euro kit but are valved differently (softer). The bad new continues (for people looking to track their cars), The springs are indeed the progressive type and not the linear ones like in Europe. This was done at Bilstein USA's request because they felt the Euro version was to stiff and uncomfortable for North American roads, too bad!

    BTW, the full retail for that kit is $2250.00.
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    OMG this is like the 2nd coming!!! are you sure it's here in the US?!?!??! LOL

    they got in a big teezy because Aaron at Neuspeed wanted to release this kit w/ the NS badging and they put the kabosh on that!

    I hope they release it as it's another good alternative for the consumer all beit not the exact ones from europe
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    Wow, i would have thought that kit would be over 3k easily.

    Nice.

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    Re: Just an update to a thread on AW in regards to the newly released PSS 9 kit...

    Originally posted by Jet Jockey
    Available to the B6 crowd. BTW, the B5 boys can't even get that kit, so....

    Just spoke to Bilstein USA in California.

    The North American version uses the same shock housings as the Euro kit but are valved differently (softer). The bad new continues (for people looking to track their cars), The springs are indeed the progressive type and not the linear ones like in Europe. This was done at Bilstein USA's request because they felt the Euro version was to stiff and uncomfortable for North American roads, too bad!

    BTW, the full retail for that kit is $2250.00.
    Bro that just sucks,
    I cant believe they screwed us out of the linear rate springs. Plus we get softer dampning. I might as well stick with my current setup. Wanna sell your kit :) Cheers! Mike

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    What is the difference whith the linear rate springs & progressive type ??

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    It means no easy $200 swap of springs to try out different spring rates and it means that once again us Americans seem to whine like babies until the Europeans take all of the sport out of a sport suspension (weaker valving). In all serious it's probably still a decent kit for those deciding on street coilovers. It's just not a cheap motorsport kit as I was hoping. cheers! mike

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    Originally posted by foofighter
    OMG this is like the 2nd coming!!! are you sure it's here in the US?!?!??! LOL

    they got in a big teezy because Aaron at Neuspeed wanted to release this kit w/ the NS badging and they put the kabosh on that!

    I hope they release it as it's another good alternative for the consumer all beit not the exact ones from europe
    You can get it now at Neuspeed for $1600.00.

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    Re: Re: Just an update to a thread on AW in regards to the newly released PSS 9 kit...

    Originally posted by bhvrdr
    Bro that just sucks,
    I cant believe they screwed us out of the linear rate springs. Plus we get softer dampning. I might as well stick with my current setup. Wanna sell your kit :) Cheers! Mike
    On the bright side, for me at least, it means I will remain original a bit longer in the suspension side of things.

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    Answer to what the difference is between spring types...

    Originally posted by giago
    What is the difference whith the linear rate springs & progressive type ??

    Well here is the difference. A linear spring as the same spring rate from top to bottom. The coil is evenly spaced throughout its length. Its inner/outer diameter is also the same throughout. The advantage of this spring is best felt in Motorsport application. Because it is linear when a car enters a curve and starts transferring weight and compressing the coils in the suspension, it will do so at a constant or in a linear way until it is fully compressed. The disadvantage to these springs in a street set up is, they are usually stiffer, less forgiving for the ride comfort.


    In this picture, you can see my linear spring made by Eibach and used in the rear of my European and modified PSS 9. FYI, on this spring you can see the manufacturers name, Eibach, the date it was made, 7 months of 2002, the type of spring, ERS which stands for Eibach-Race-Spring, its free length at 200 mm, its inner diameter (ID) at 70 mm, and its rating, here in Newton/mm at 110 which translate into approximately 627 lbs/inch. This means to compress this spring one (1) inch, the car must exert 627 lbs of force.




    On the other hand, a progressive spring is just that, progressive and not constant. It is usually a lot wider at its mid point in the coil with both ends having smaller diameters. Also the space between the coils will be usually different, meaning they will not be constant. This as for effect a softer more cushiony ride level. Good for the street bad for the track. the way it works is that as a car enters the curve it starts to compress the softer part of the coil. As you push further it enters the more linear of stiffer part of the coil. Like I said it is smoother for road use but not as precise for track use. This can be explained the following way. Since Motorsport usually means fast transitions from one curve to another a car with progressive springs will make those transitions harder and more vague for the driver by first compressing rapidly through the progressive part and then abruptly hitting the linear part. This can have as a consequence the car being jerked around by the coils. I don't know if this makes sense to you but it is as best as I can explain it to you.

    In this picture you have a progressive spring. Sorry for the quality of the picture.


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    nice write up. :) I learned something.
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    whats stopping us from slapping on a set of linear springs? surely the shock body is similar to yours.... as long as the spring rate is within the line of the progressive it should work....

    or could we do some leg work and order in a euro set......
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    Originally posted by teknik
    whats stopping us from slapping on a set of linear springs? surely the shock body is similar to yours.... as long as the spring rate is within the line of the progressive it should work....

    or could we do some leg work and order in a euro set......
    According to Bilstein, the shocks are identical. You could change the springs to the linear types but then the valving in the shocks would be all wrong for this new spring rate/ application. You would need to send the shocks back to Bilstein to have them re-valved. Cost at least $125.00 per shock, that's $500.00 plus taxes and shipping. Then add the cost of buying the four springs, another $300.00 perhaps? In the end you might as well order a kit from Europe, it will most likely be cheaper.

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    Great info Jet. I want to move to Europe now. I wonder what it is that European and Japanese companies think that all out hardcore performance cars/parts can't be sold here? The R32 is doing well, the Evo is doing well, the STi is doing well.
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    Yes I wan to move to europe too.
    Maybe Italy.!

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