E05 FMIC INSTALLED - Update

[Coolest A4 Guy]

UPDATE - E05 & FMIC
First drive since bringing car home last week from the install. Immediately felt increased peppyness. Definite power increase. Surprising smoothness of this turbo - I expected it to feel jerky but that's not the case. Temp gauge was reading 101 degrees but I didn't feel the heat soak I was all too familiar with- pleasant surprise - the FMIC actually was doing what it is supposed to do.
Felt good passing a moderately slow Nissan Sentra on a mountain straightaway - I passed him in 3rd and shifted to 4th just as I was passing him - sounded AND felt oh so good - I was pulling strong. I bet the Nissan was envious, too. All thumbs up for now.

[giago]

congratulations>!!!!!!

Does the power increase feels a lot better??

[Coolest A4 Guy]

giago,
It feel a LOT BETTER! The car has a new personality - like a horse wanting to run. This is the power the car should have.
-Pat

ps . . . my opinion is don't paint your roof black, I think it looks sportier all one color - unless you mean that sprinkle look in your sig - that looks pretty cool

[i_eat_staples]

about how long is the turbo lag on those a4's in launches anyway?

[G_A4]

the lag isn't bad. it spools up at about 2500 and then pulls hard from their. the E05 isn't that much larger than the K03 so the lag isn't great.

[gearhead]

Originally posted by G_A4
the lag isn't bad. it spools up at about 2500 and then pulls hard from their. the E05 isn't that much larger than the K03 so the lag isn't great.

Agree, lag is about the same as with K03. Car just seems like it lost 1000 lbs! And now it pulls much harder all the way to redline, no shifting at 5300 rpm.

[Mark]

what software and injectors are you running?

[giago]

I'm going crazy.
i can't get a turbo upgrade
there isn't any software for my ecu.

[skip]

giago,
why not try the fmic and see if that helps any?

skip

[giago]

mmmm..
right now i don't know what to do.
>I hope i can do the turbo upgrade.
and i don't want to spend the money in nothing else.
maybe i get some nos and the fmic.
that could be a solution.

[skip]

I hear you man, hope you can get the turbo!

[mike-2ptzero]

Originally posted by G_A4
the lag isn't bad. it spools up at about 2500 and then pulls hard from their. the E05 isn't that much larger than the K03 so the lag isn't great.

I hope you understand that the E05 is a K03 and is not built by 3k. It happens to be built by a shop that just uses a K03 and puts a larger K04 and adds a stronger actuator. The problem is that the E05 uses a compressor wheel that is nose heavy and this is why some have died by eating up the blades inside the compressor housing since they over spin the wheel and it gets shaft play much sooner then a normal K03 or K04. You can pretty much just call the E05 a ticking time bomb.

[G_A4]

Originally posted by mike-2ptzero
I hope you understand that the E05 is a K03 and is not built by 3k. It happens to be built by a shop that just uses a K03 and puts a larger K04 and adds a stronger actuator. The problem is that the E05 uses a compressor wheel that is nose heavy and this is why some have died by eating up the blades inside the compressor housing since they over spin the wheel and it gets shaft play much sooner then a normal K03 or K04. You can pretty much just call the E05 a ticking time bomb.

interesting. so how much can the E05 handle before the blades go? what are the time frames on these turbos?

[mike-2ptzero]

Originally posted by G_A4
interesting. so how much can the E05 handle before the blades go? what are the time frames on these turbos?

I guess that depends on the boost level it is running at.

[DLSJ5]

Originally posted by mike-2ptzero
I guess that depends on the boost level it is running at.

Doesn't Eurospec make these turbo's? Where did you get your info that they're ticking time bombs? Just curious not bashing you, just would like to know where you got your information.

Drew

[skip]

Originally posted by mike-2ptzero
I hope you understand that the E05 is a K03 and is not built by 3k. It happens to be built by a shop that just uses a K03 and puts a larger K04 and adds a stronger actuator. The problem is that the E05 uses a compressor wheel that is nose heavy and this is why some have died by eating up the blades inside the compressor housing since they over spin the wheel and it gets shaft play much sooner then a normal K03 or K04. You can pretty much just call the E05 a ticking time bomb.

So say it lasts a couple of years, or more. That's two years not wasted (yawn) on 'slowness' while your waiting for something else to come out. There doesn't seem to be a lot of other choices right now. In two more years maybe there'll be more. Otherwise, suck it up and buy a new one. Then again, it might last alot longer than that. We'll have to wait and see.

[foofighter]

i remember reading a post after the VW E05 gave up the ghost that eurospec (maker of the turbo) said not to exceed 1.2 bars(?) of boost otherwise they can can't warranty the turbo.

[G_A4]

Originally posted by mike-2ptzero
I guess that depends on the boost level it is running at.

well it's not suppose to go past 1.3 bar. so what do know think about the E05 hitting 1.5 or 1.6 bar. just curious?

[Silence]

I think the most important issue within these hot running, smaller turbos is proper warm up/cool down. Let your oil come to proper temp, and allow your car to cool a short while after driving.

The KKK series have smaller oil/coolant lines. Any buildup whatsoever is definitely going to reduce the life of any turbo especially K03/k04 series.

[G_A4]

Originally posted by Silence
I think the most important issue within these hot running, smaller turbos is proper warm up/cool down. Let your oil come to proper temp, and allow your car to cool a short while after driving.

The KKK series have smaller oil/coolant lines. Any buildup whatsoever is definitely going to reduce the life of any turbo especially K03/k04 series.

so you think it's o.k to for the E05 to hit 1.5 or 1.6 bar? with the proper warm up/cool down. i would think that it could handle the boost. but i could be wrong.

[gearhead]

Originally posted by mike-2ptzero
I hope you understand that the E05 is a K03 and is not built by 3k. It happens to be built by a shop that just uses a K03 and puts a larger K04 and adds a stronger actuator. The problem is that the E05 uses a compressor wheel that is nose heavy and this is why some have died by eating up the blades inside the compressor housing since they over spin the wheel and it gets shaft play much sooner then a normal K03 or K04. You can pretty much just call the E05 a ticking time bomb.

Very interesting. So you're saying that the E05 isn't dynamically balanced and its nose weight bias will cause shaft play > wobble > failure prematurely. Eurocode claims that their REVO software does not exceed 1.3 bar which is the limit for Eurospec warranty. Anyone measure their boost any different?

[JMG]

Originally posted by gearhead
Very interesting. So you're saying that the E05 isn't dynamically balanced and its nose weight bias will cause shaft play > wobble > failure prematurely. Eurocode claims that their REVO software does not exceed 1.3 bar which is the limit for Eurospec warranty. Anyone measure their boost any different?

That's what he is saying. I think that ecode is pushing a turbo it shouldn't be pushing... its too close to the edge. I just hope alot of customers don't get the shaft in the end with a blown turbo.

[imajn34]

So in other words, We don't have anymore turbo kit options. I wish I could afford and S4.

[Kman]

it appears, from what some of you are posting, that there are design flaws with the EO5 which limit it to 1.2 to 1.3 bar. Does the KO3 or KO4 have any warranty limits on the amount of boast you can run? What does Borg recommend? Let's compare apples to apples, or boast to boast. Also, it would be nice to know the factory stats on the Neuspeed SKO4.......

[Coolest A4 Guy]

This has been a good thread. It will be interesting to see how my E05 turns out. I will be extra careful to properly warm up and cool down. On my first good drive, which I reported at the start of this thread, I was hanging in there on some pretty tight turns close to redline in second gear. It was pretty strong, but then of course it's also brand new. Anyway I will keep you all updated as to if I have problems with this baby or not.
Question: what are the symptons of turbo failure and is a car at all driveable after a turbo has failed - like maybe another 30 miles to the nearest place to get a cell phone signal? Or, is the appropriate thing to do at that point to just push the car over the nearest cliff?

[gearhead]

Originally posted by Coolest A4 Guy
This has been a good thread. It will be interesting to see how my E05 turns out. I will be extra careful to properly warm up and cool down. On my first good drive, which I reported at the start of this thread, I was hanging in there on some pretty tight turns close to redline in second gear. It was pretty strong, but then of course it's also brand new. Anyway I will keep you all updated as to if I have problems with this baby or not.
Question: what are the symptons of turbo failure and is a car at all driveable after a turbo has failed - like maybe another 30 miles to the nearest place to get a cell phone signal? Or, is the appropriate thing to do at that point to just push the car over the nearest cliff?

Yes, it will be interesting to see how the reliability and life of this turbo will be. Just hope that if it fails, it fails w/in the 1st year as Eurocode warrants labor for a year in addition to parts.

Still wondering if anyone has measured the boost the E05 is making--i don't have a boost gauge. Also wondering if/how Eurospec can tell why a turbo failed, if one does. Will they know it was from more than 19 psi of boost?

Right now i'm really happy with the E05--best bang for buck upgrade i ever on my car. A number of people have bought this kit, we'll keep everyone up to date with performance or problems (hopefully not).

I figure if it lasts 2-3 years, it's a success and there will be a bigger turbo i'll want on my car by then if not sooner. Here's to turbo warm ups and cool downs!

[madrussian]

Originally posted by imajn34
So in other words, We don't have anymore turbo kit options. I wish I could afford and S4.

S4's don't have turbo kit options either...

[foofighter]

Originally posted by Coolest A4 Guy
This has been a good thread. It will be interesting to see how my E05 turns out.

yes this is a good thread everyone's being civil and that's the way it should be

[imajn34]

Originally posted by enjoiweb
S4's don't have turbo kit options either...

I know, I'm just saying that I want more power, but I might as well just buy an S4 that's already equipped with the power I'll be satisfied with rather than finding something to bolt onto my 1.8T.

Hopefully the E05 is not any less reliable than a K03 or K04. Cooling down the car after driving will help the life of the turbo but if there's limitations on what it can handle and there's a flaw in the design then you can cool your car down all you want, you're not going to be able to save it. But I'm sure we're all worried because no one has ran this setup. I'm not too sure about this, but I'm sure when the K04 first showed people were skeptical.

[skip]

S4's are beautiful for sure. But you can buy alot of turbos and still be way lower than the price of the S4.

[JMG]

Originally posted by skip
S4's are beautiful for sure. But you can buy alot of turbos and still be way lower than the price of the S4.

You also get a factory warranty running 340 HP with no turbo lag and a nice S4 badge.

[gearhead]

Cooling down the car after driving will help the life of the turbo but if there's limitations on what it can handle and there's a flaw in the design then you can cool your car down all you want, you're not going to be able to save it.

This is an important point. I spoke to a co-worker who has dynamically balanced spinning hardware (okay, not in excess of 100k rpms though) as part of his job for decades and he theoretically doesn't think there will be any problems with the turbo even if its weight is biased to one side, exhaust or compressor. He stressed that as long as the turbo is balanced about its spin axis and that there are no anomalies in the shaft of turbine blades, it will be fine. BUT, if even the smallest change in the balance or bearings, a defect in the bearing surface of the shaft or a bent turbine blade for example, will cause extra load on the bearings leading to shaft play and eventually failure. Hence why Eurospec wants to limit the boost on the E05, to prevent loads on the blades or shaft it wasn't designed to take.

Change your oil, cool those turbos and cross your fingers Eurospec designed with lots of margin!

[skip]

Originally posted by JMG
You also get a factory warranty running 340 HP with no turbo lag and a nice S4 badge.

For 50k I don't want an S4 badge, I'll take the 05 slk star instead

[CO AVANT]

Well, back to why this topic was started...I got my Ecode FMIC in the mail yesterday, and is going in this weekend with my KO4/P&P Mani upgrade...I'm going crazy with anticipation...ECU is going to be sent out to Ecode for REVO programming on Monday.

Jordan

[skip]

XLNT. I'd like to hear how it goes after the install.

[Saturnine]

I cant wait to see the results sir!

Originally posted by CO AVANT
Well, back to why this topic was started...I got my Ecode FMIC in the mail yesterday, and is going in this weekend with my KO4/P&P Mani upgrade...I'm going crazy with anticipation...ECU is going to be sent out to Ecode for REVO programming on Monday.

Jordan

[JMG]

Originally posted by CO AVANT
Well, back to why this topic was started...I got my Ecode FMIC in the mail yesterday, and is going in this weekend with my KO4/P&P Mani upgrade...I'm going crazy with anticipation...ECU is going to be sent out to Ecode for REVO programming on Monday.

Jordan

check here before you install

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...threadid=17336

[CO AVANT]

I'll post results ASAP....by the way, I'm going to wait to install the Spec stage 1 clutch I told everyone I was installing with this kit, because I want to get a feel for the new power with the stocker before I swap, also I want to burn the stock clutch up a bit...

Jordan

[Kman]

anyone have an answer to my previous question??? What are the factory limitations on the amount of boost that a KO3 or KO4 can run without voiding the warranty if the turbo was to fail??? Most seem to know that number for the EO5. How do they all compare?????

[bhvrdr]

Originally posted by Kman
anyone have an answer to my previous question??? What are the factory limitations on the amount of boost that a KO3 or KO4 can run without voiding the warranty if the turbo was to fail??? Most seem to know that number for the EO5. How do they all compare?????

Your going to void your warranty from AOA on the K03 by upping the boost by even 1psi. That is not to say the K03 and K04 cannot handle terrific ammounts of boost. They are dynamically balanced from KKK and I am currently running 2bar or 29psi spikes and am holding 1.5bar on my K04. The GIAC J31 sofware is also similarly aggressive and people arent experiencing a host of problems. For those worried about the longevity of the E05 there is a simple solution, just run the K04 instead. For those who already bought it, no big deal. If you treat it good and make sure Revo didnt program it for more than 1.2bar perhaps it will last a long time. You just dont want to be pushing it hard like many do with the K03 and k04. Cheers! Mike