To Jeff To Jeff with whom I have never had the pleasure of doing business with.

[David@EuroCode]

And what will Dave @ EuroCode do when that E05 blows up? Answer: He'll probably charge you FULL RETAIL for a replacement. Wow, what a true businessman he is, I wonder when I'm going to see "ECODE" on the Nasdaq or Dow Jones when he IPO's (ROFLMAO).”

I tell you exactly what we do, we send the turbo to the manufacturer EuroSpec Sport for warranty. Additionally for one year from the date of install we perform all work related to the install free of charge.

“Or he'll blame your fuel line or something of that sort for catching on fire.”

You will be eating your words in a second.

"And it doesn’t take a brain surgeon to install a turbo, fmic, and DV, you could have done it yourself... Monkey See, Monkey Do."

Then I would recommend you start your own business and start to retire now as you seem to know it all.

"Word of advice, stay the HELL away from that MAHA, it will prolong the life of your E05 from say... 2 months... to maybe 6 months (if you're lucky)."

At EuroCode Tuning we have a mission to have any of our signature products that claim a gain in performance on a vehicle verified by a third party unlike some of our competitors. In this quest we chose Advanced Motorsport Solution (AMS) because they do not have any Interest in our company and in fact they are direct competitors of Revo Technik America in the V.W. & Audi chip tuning industry. AMS also houses a MAHA dynamometer which is very highly regarded by V.W. & Audi so much so that they have listed it with a factory tool number and you can purchase it directly from them if you so wish. We felt this would be a good starting point and made the decision to take our vehicle there. This would leave no doubt regarding the legitimacy of these numbers in any of our customer's minds and also to prevent any of our direct competitors to question the performance of the product we sell or our company's integrity.

"Ok...i'll STFU now.."

I thought you were going to but I guess you change your mind as you can see below.

"It's perfectly fine to pay for labor, but not from an imbicile. Eurocode has satisified it's customers putting on inferior parts and turbos, not to mention their work is simply "Monkey See, Monkey Do". I can have my 19 year old brother perform the same mods on your car, and maybe do a better job."

You and your 19 year old brother should open a shop and start making millions now using your favorite chip tuning company and give us a run for our money instead of typing here. Didn't you know talk is cheap? We have a factory trained Master Audi technician working for us certified by Audi but what the hell does he know you are a master of slander. But you know what, you are right we are grease monkeys and loving every minute of it lol. Tired of your job?

"EuroCode is doing "something right" by making a shitload of sales on products that blow up and catch on fire on the owner's car as wall as some of his customers?"

What customer had their car catch on fire do you have any thing to back up this B.S.? Folks do you smell slander? Aren’t you the guy promoting that other chip tuning company and telling people to stay away from the evil MAHA made in Germany used buy Audi, VW & some major tuners such as MTM & ABT that don’t know what they hell they are doing but you do?

"Just because a local car dealership down your street is all over the ads, and makes a "shitload of sales", doesnt make them a "good" business. They could be selling lemons, POS', and not to mention shit that blows up. :)"

Have you ever bought anything from us or done business with us to come to this conclusion? I think no would the appropriate answer here, so how would you know how our work or service like?

"Dave, I know you're reading this... You are the biggest lying sack of shit I've ever seen. So the Audi owners may not be as "mechanically inclined" as some other, please don’t take advantage of people's ignorance to your advantage and keep the customers in your shadow and "bandwagon/FanClub". One day, ALL your E05's are going to blow up, and the PEOPLE WILL BE EDUCATED."

I don't regret anything in fact I'm flattered that you and that other tuning company feel that I'm such fierce competition that you have to resort to slander to gain your customers back and or try and scare our customers off. You need to watch what you say, slander can cost you dearly in a court of law not to mention you are disrespecting someone you have never done business with.

"Care to explain what "REALLY" happened to your car? If a fuelline can "mysteriously rupture", don't you think AoA would a class action lawsuit by now?"

Did you ever take a look inside my engine bay? The answer would be no based on your slanderous comments.

I don't need to explain this but just to show everyone what a slanderous liar you are I will. First off all the rubber lines on my car were replaced 2nd I had an after market fuel rail and fuel pressure gauge under the hood so there goes the stupid wouldn't AOA have a lawsuit on their hand theory. Also my car was far from a stock A4 it had a GT2871R, custom down pipe, custom FMIC, aftermarket fuel pump, nitrous and a host of other mods which ensure that the car was no longer stock in any shape or form as you can see by the picture below. The car was making 300+ HP on pump gas on the MAHA that you fear so much I’m sure on a mustang dyno I would have done 400HP.

I went off the track 3 times bottomed out on to the gravel so I pitted and the course worker told me everything was fine. I went back out again and managed to go of course once again at which point the fuel line running under the passenger side got damaged and caught on fire from the sparks and flames emitted by my BBK. Just so you don't call me a liar I have also included a video of my brakes lighting up click and see for your self PAL.

"Like they say..."What goes around, comes around." and payback's a BITCH"

What went around in the first place? The fact that you invited me to a dyno event to show off your new GIAC chip and did not show up or the fact that I offered to pay to have your car put on the MAHA dyno to see if the company that you are so highly regard is capable of producing their claimed 200+HP on pump gas. By that offer still stands.

"Care to explain the E05's blowing up?"

Which multiple E05 are you referring to got some evidence to back up your slanderous posts?

".and your car catching on fire? And PLEASE dont bullshit about the fuel line rupturing... WE WANT THE TRUTH (and some of here will HANDLE it)."

I posted that info for you right here, the only person with the B.S. here is you my friend.

"Not to flame Eurocode... but just want some FACTS and REAL answers."

You keep talking about facts but you can't even post something honest here other than slander. Why don't you go work for that other tuning company you are so fond of or did they pay you to post this?

"They BRAG about their accomplishments, some are pretty impressive to say the least."

Thanks for the compliment.

"While they COVER UP and HIDE their negligence (turbos blowing up, cars catching on fire, you name it),"

You are the only one covering up for that other tuning company unwilling to dyno your car to show us what it's really making.

"yet still come onto this forum talking shit to people (directly, and indirectly like a little bitch),"

The only person talking shit here is you my friend read your own posts.

"and then NOT reply to their PM's and replies. BE A MAN about it."

You have sent me one PM rejecting my request to use the MAHA dyno and asking me to show up at a dyno event that I gladly accepted and showed up at with Derrick & Dejan but you weren’t even there. The MAN is I Sir who showed up at the dyno @ Harmanmotive.

"In this world, Mistakes are "OK", as long as we fess up and learn from it, to make sure it doesn’t happen again, am I correct? That's how we all got this far. But trying to cover up your own negligence thinking the public is ignorant and blinded is NO WAY to run a business."

One word slander

"If Garrett Lim himself can come on this forum and honestly explain to the people what happened with the failed PES T28 kit, people RESPECT that."

He said he neglected the B6 crowed because he was becoming a doctor, great that’s after we made the used PES kit run right if we wouldn't have do so and showed people what could be done to a B6 with great tuning they would have never wasted their breath and the problems would have lingered on. The fear to loose business was the reason for the reply it’s called saving your ass.

"But if you want to be sneaky and shady about things... that's not the way to go. E05's have been blowing up, yet it has been covered up like a government scandal, why is that?"

Show me the posts and the turbo’s that have blown up and come back on here and run your mouth otherwise stay off this post because I will continue to ask this question until you provide some solid evidence not just a bunch of typed up words to try and scare our customers. There has been only one case of an E-05 blowing as you call it and that was on a GTI with a manipulated N75 running the car at 28psi against our request.


The fact that you would accuse EuroCode Tuning or me shady, is a flat out lie and slander. Unless, there is factual evidence to back up these accusations we demand that an apology be extended immediately. If a response is not received we will treat such accusations as simple slander.

Good day Jeff.

VIDEO OF MY BRAKES

[bhvrdr]

David,
Please let me know what is goin on here. You have claimed that none of your E05 turbos have blown making me believe another tuner has lied to me and then I see this post.

From http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=1297781
The story behind my turbo upgrade and Ecodetunning !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 11:27 PM 3-18-2004


Here you guys go. For everyone who is thinking of purchasing a EO5 turbo kit from Ecodetuning. This story is all true ,if you guys need more info let me know and i will do my best to provide it. The point of this is so other people don't get screwed on this turbo kit.
I know that this is long but please read tru this , or at least read the last part in bold. Thank you head of time.

Here is my experience That I have had with Ecodetuning and the E05 turbo .


My Name : Juan Galindo (VdubHomie)

Occupation : Technician (ASE & VW certified)

Vehicle #1: 1988 Jetta ( VR6 )

Vehicle #2: 2003 GTI (20th Jazz blue)


When I had barely gotten my vehicle 2003 20th anniversary GTI i said to my self that i would not modify it, because i already had a modded vehicle 1988 Jetta VR6. And I had already done what i wanted , which was to get 1st place at a dubwars event which i accomplished last year at dubwars. Anyways my "no mod"resolution only lasted 1 week. Like everyone else I had heard of this new "chip" so I called REVO and decided to try it out. The only distributor of REVO at the time in Socal was or is ECODETUNING. They were having some special for Socal members , so I called David S. and set up a day or appointment for my soft-wear install. For around 500.00 dollars I got the REVO software install and a 4bar FPR, I already had a k&N in the air box. After driving to Irvine from San Diego David installing the "Chip" , he said go drive the car around and see how it feels. To me I did not feel any better, when I got back from my test drive I told David and he said no, its probably because the car is heat soaked from the drive up here. I told him that I didn't think so. So he said ok I'll test drive it and we will see. He drove it and he concluded that it didn't feel that the "chip" was fully in the system. So he deleted the chip and put it back to stock then he re-flashed the ECM and test drove it again after 3 tries it finally felt like there was an actually chip in the car. So i left for san diego and enjoyed the drive home. But that wasn't enough to me , the car was not as fast as my 1988 VR6 and I needed more power.
I called David again and ask him what other Mods i can do to my car. He started to talk to me about this EO5 turbo that was brand new and nobody in a VW has had it in the 1.8T motor. David said it was like a KO4 but even better , he said that " this turbo is more reliable that a KO4 and will produce more power" Said approx 250 horse power to the wheels. I was intrigued by this and wanted to know more , we talked about it for like about a week or two. So David came up with this, He needed to do some R&D (research and development) on this turbo so he can start selling this particular turbo kit. David said that he would sell me all the parts for this turbo kit and some other items that I needed for the kit at his price and in return, I would have to advertise by word of mouth about the turbo kit and the way it performed. So i said yes that sounds good to me. But i told him that i would not lie to people about the results i got, since there is many people that take my advise seriously because of my occupation and my credibility.
So We set up a day to do the install up in the LA area around the beginning of September. So I went on a weekend and spend all day up there myself and David we both installed all the parts in the Vehicle, which consisted of a Cold air intake, VR6 MAF, Samco turbo intake boot, Samco Pressure hoses, forge side mont inter cooler, injectors, Spark plugs, forge diverter valve, Neuspeed down pipe, Neuspeed cat back exhaust, boost guage, and EO5 turbo. It definitely had more power that the set up i had before. It was nice, But i told him until i see some numbers on the kit I am not going to advertise this, so when they asked me about the turbo i would say yea this turbo feels nice and they would ask me how much power it makes i said i don't know we haven't put it on a dyno yet to see what the car does and don't know what Numbers it produces but Davis said about 250. And alot of people were amazed. But i still had to get the turbo tuned. We were waiting for a guy from REVO to come down and tune the soft-wear for this turbo. When this guy arrived David said he need me to take the car over to LA to Get it tuned. It was on a Monday and I had to take the day off of work for this so i did, my friend and i went up there he took his car just in case, I gave him the car early in the morning and David said to leave the car and go spend the day around town and maybe he would need the car 1 more day but he would let me know later. So i go back like at 6:00pm and he said "yea we weren't able to even start your car but we will probably get on it tomorrow" so i left him the car and went back to san diego. I had to leave the car up there for 1 whole week and when to pick it up again the next weekend. It felt like it was a little better. On the drive back a hose came off on the piping so it started to run crappy. Next day i fixed the boost leak and it ran good.
David called me and told me about a Dyno day at Dynamic Racing solutions on December 14 2003. SO i drove the car over there and we finally put the car on a Dyno. This was also with a ATP front mount 1ST run was the best on 91 octane Horsepower was 197.9 & Torque was 257.3. Its was good torque but the Horsepower wasn't the best. And these numbers weren't what David had told me the turbo would produce. This was very disappointing to me. David said oh don't worry don't worry their Dyno probably is not tuned or something else is wrong with the Dyno. So on our second run we put 104 octane i think not sure,but it was over 100. And David Moved all the settings on the software with the SPS3. Horsepower 187.3 & torque 236.3. even less power. That to me seemed very bad. I left very disappointed. Funny thing is I went to dyno day on 03-07-04 at eurosport and there was a black jetta with very little mods that put out 208HP and 244torque. That to me was impressive and honestly wanted to do the mods he had done. I mean it was the stock ko3 and was pushing a good amount of power.
Soon after that I was driving to work one day and my car stopped boosting completely I figured it went into limp mode. So i pulled over turned off the car removed the key and started the car again , still no boost on guage and i could not hear a boost leak either. The car was not making any power. Got the car to work and started to drive my other car. I checked out the car on the weekend and removed the intake and down-pipe and could see some of the fins were damaged on the exhaust side. The intake side of the housing was scored from the compressor wheel. I proceeded to remove turbo to visually check the damage. I found the shaft had excessive play up and down and i also found a fin missing on the exhaust side and the rest of the fins cracked and had material removed. The intake compressor wheel was fine.

I called David at Ecodetuning and told him what i had found. Told him that the turbo is done and it was a POSS. He said well it will be fine that i just have to ship it back to the manufacture (Eurospec) and that they would either fix the damaged parts or simply replace the turbo. So i said oh ok that sounds good to me. I personally shipped the turbo to eurospec and had to wait and see what would happen. I didn't get a call until like 2 weeks later from David he said that they were very backed up at eurospec and haven't had time to get to my turbo. So i said ok then i guess i have to wait like another weeks or so. A week later i got a call from David again he said that they had taken the turbo apart and told him the exhaust housing showed signs of extreme heat fatigue. David also told me that eurospec was not going to warranty the turbo, and that he could not do anything about it anymore and that I would have to contact eurospec personally and talk to them.
So i attempted to called ED(sales person at eurospec who had been in communication with David) but was not there. I left him a detailed message of who i was and why i was calling him and told him to give me a call back on my cell phone. He never called me back so I called him again and no answer. So i called David and told him this guy was not returning my calls. He said well then contact Steve and eurospec. I sent Steve an E-Mail with the same concern and told him about his employee and the way he had treated my and not returned my calls , I also told him to call me on my cell phone. He didn't call me either , so i called him and finally spoke with someone. He said that to to the fact that the housing was damaged from excessive heat and that led them to believe that the turbo was being over-boosted and that possible the software was not right for this turbo.

Steve at Eurospec said that even though it was not Eurospecs fault that the turbo is KO'd they will sell Ecodetuning another EO5 turbo at half the cost, so Ecodetuning would only pay 450 for the rest of the Turbo so that I would be a satisfied customer. When i got of the phone with Steve i called Dave at Ecodetuning and told him what eurospec had told me. David said that he was not going to pay anything because it was not ecodetunings fault. I told him he needed to take care of this situation and me, his customer. And I started to tell him off, because of all the money I had spent with him and the trust that I had put in his company Ecodetuning. The next day he told me this , "bottom line of you want another turbo it is going to cost you 450.00 and that's it , I am not going to pay one cent".
I got furious and was really pissed of. I called Steve again and told him the information, he said that this was not right of ecodetuning or David. He then said he would offer me the same deal, seeing as how David would not step up to his responsibilities. I told him that he was right and i did not think David was being very professional about this.

I bought another EO5 turbo from David at 450.00 and I told David I was no longer going to do business with him or his company I also told him i was going to post all over forums about the way he has treated me and his service. Many people were complaining about this but i never said anything to back either side up, now that it has happened to me i really hope that someone will read this and learn from my mistake.

In conclusion David at Ecodetuning screwed me over on his EO5 turbo kit , which I was doing the R&D for. He always tries to blame something else for things that don't go the way he thinks, or says their going to be. The software version that he is selling with the EO5 turbo kit was tuned by a guy from Germany from REVO, but was not dyno tuned, it was "ass/butt dyno tuned"(meaning how it felt when your ass was in the seat)it hits/spikes about 25 to 28 psi and will hold about 22 psi until red line which will start to taper off at 5500rpms to about 15psi. According to Eurospec the Eo5 optimal range is 18psi, any more would be overworking the turbo and may cause what happened to my Eo5, The rod bent and all the exhaust fins are torn/broken. After a 3 month use of this turbo and software. The REVO software, for the 1.8t stock ko3, he sold to who knows how many people until approx December 2003, does surge, I had it in mine and it surged , I told David and said it could not be. But many other of his customers have told me the same thing, that the boost surges.

I don't know about you guys but If David at ecoodetuning screws the guy that was doing the Research and development for his Eo5 turbo kit, And don't take care of his customer, Or fixes the software and still sell this turbo Kit as is when I had it in my car , then I would not take the chance with Ecodetuning at buying their Eo5 turbo kit.


----Eurospec admitted there was a failure before, why not again?-


What is going on here bud? Help me out. I am getting very frustrated as a consumer and a garage mecanic. I can deal with others having problems with tuning but I WILL NOT stand for some one lying to me. Please help me figure out what is going on here.

Much thanks,
Mike

[BoostTed]

Originally posted by David@EuroCode

"If Garrett Lim himself can come on this forum and honestly explain to the people what happened with the failed PES T28 kit, people RESPECT that."

He said he neglected the B6 crowed because he was becoming a doctor, great that’s after we made the used PES kit run right if we wouldn't have do so and showed people what could be done to a B6 with great tuning they would have never wasted their breath and the problems would have lingered on. The fear to loose business was the reason for the reply it’s called saving your ass.

If I were you I wouldnt compare myself to Garrett Lim. That man is a stand up guy, a true enthusiast, a very good guy. He is on his way to becoming a doctor, he helps and trys to saves lives for a living. I would give up a tuning company to do that anyday. I would not call what he did saving his ass. So what if a problem with a turbo kit on a B6 lingered on because he had more important things to do like becoming a doctor. If I were you I wouldnt think so highly of myself because you solved a T-28 problem. Compared to what he will accomplish you did nothing.

[reznunt]

there is a very EASY way of settling this:

1. Install an e05 kit and fmic on reznunt's car free of charge...
2. Wait five years...
3. If it doesn't blow, then I'll let you all know!

haha, jk... reznunt is gonna stay outta this one.

[CO AVANT]

David is pioneering the field of the B6, don't take that away from him...one problem E05 problem??? come'on Audi themselves has way more problems than that a year...lol...

Jordan

[hyperspeed]

no no no.. i say it will be better on my car

[JoJo]

Originally posted by bhvrdr
David,
Please let me know what is goin on here. You have claimed that none of your E05 turbos have blown making me believe another tuner has lied to me and then I see this post.
What is going on here bud? Help me out. I am getting very frustrated as a consumer and a garage mecanic. I can deal with others having problems with tuning but I WILL NOT stand for some one lying to me. Please help me figure out what is going on here.

Much thanks,
Mike

You don't have to wait for a reply from dave, ecode tuning already replied to this on audiworld. Didn't bother reading it because it is long as hell:
http://forums.audiworld.com/a4gen2/msgs/555303.phtml

[David@EuroCode]

Originally posted by bhvrdr
David,
Please let me know what is goin on here. You have claimed that none of your E05 turbos have blown making me believe another tuner has lied to me and then I see this post.

What is going on here bud? Help me out. I am getting very frustrated as a consumer and a garage mecanic. I can deal with others having problems with tuning but I WILL NOT stand for some one lying to me. Please help me figure out what is going on here.

Much thanks,
Mike

Mike,

One again you are putting words in my mouth. Below is you question.


Here you are asking me about derrick's turbo on an Audi A4.
"Originally posted by bhvrdr
Again David,
Was there a failure and have you figured out what may have caused it?

With respect,
Mike"

Below is my response to your question in regards to derricks turbo. What are you talking about when you say you have been lied to?

"Mike,

No harm done, wait I take that back . I appreciate the apology.


Unfortunately, there was no failure for all those out there starting this rumor.

Cheers,

David Sarabi"

[David@EuroCode]

Originally posted by bhvrdr

Mike

Oh and you might want to read our response before passing judgment.

We apologize for the delay in our response to this issue. We take very seriously our customers concerns and our goal is to keep them satisfied. As much as we would like to say certain posts here don't bother us, we will admit that this has affected us very much, for we are as passionate about our cars as we are about customers. Please know that we did all we could to help Mr. Galindo. EuroCode tuning is not responsible for Mr. Galindo's turbo failure, but please understand that even after this occurred, we did all we could to supplement his unfortunate situation. It's his word against ours. It's difficult to defend an attack like this and it's easy to jump to conclusions, but we will now give you our side of the story and you can decide for yourselves what really happened
Mr. Galindo approached EuroCode Tuning in August of 2003 inquiring about Revo performance tuning for his VW Golf 20th Anniversary Edition. He mentioned that he had heard from several other Revo users that the software was great. . Once the software was successfully installed in Mr. Galindo's vehicle, he was very satisfied with the results and then contacted us a second time in September of 2003 inquiring about additional performance options for his vehicle. We presented him all of the available upgrades but at no time did we mention a turbo kit. Mr. Galindo explained that all the upgrades sounded very good, but he had a craving for more HP and Torque. He inquired further about turbo kits for particular his application. At the time Eurospec Sport had just released the E-05 that was promising a unit that is slightly larger in diameter than the K-04 & holds a full 1 bar of boost up to 6500 RPM. We explained to Mr. Galindo that we were getting ready put a kit together using the E-05 and all of the necessary hardware that should be good for about 240-250HP at the crank if used in conjunction with all of the additional bolt-ons. Since the kit was still in R&D, the HP claim was yet to be proven. We also explained that we would use Revo tuning software and that it would be made available in the near future. Mr. Galindo was so eager to get his hands on the kit that he voluntarily offered his car to us for the R&D if we installed the kit on his car first. We explained to him that we were getting ready to install and tune the kit with Revo software on our own GTI 337. We discussed the possible issues we might run into since he lives in San Diego, which is approx.130 miles away. Mr. Galindo explained to us that he had no problem driving back and forth and that he would arrange for the vehicle to be dropped of and picked up anytime we needed the car for research as long as we installed this particular kit on his car first. Under no circumstance during this time did we ever request the use of Mr. Galindo's vehicle - it was voluntarily offered.

We agreed to Mr. Galindo's request but first wanted to make sure he was fully aware of what was expected of him and what risks were involved. We explained to Mr. Galindo that the software would take some time as we had to wait for a Revo to come from the UK to Los Angeles to complete the tuning. We also explained to Mr. Galindo that problems could arise and as always some inherent risk is involved and that we would not be responsible for any failed parts on his vehicle. We made this very clear to him up front before anything began. He explained that he was a certified service technician at a Volkswagen dealer and if anything would go wrong it would be completely taken care of on his behalf and that he would be able to get the parts replaced under warranty and even do the work himself.

At this point we established that Mr.Galindo was fully aware of the inherent risks involved. He willingly accepted complete responsibility and proceeded with the transaction. We were not expecting Mr. Galindo to pay full price for the turbo kit or software nor did we expect Mr. Galindo to be responsible for any Labor charges and explained to him that we would do the entire install for free and offered the kit below our cost to help compensate him for his time. This consisted of all the necessary hardware for the kit and the programming from Revo. The cost of installing such a kit and all the extra parts purchased would be $783 which Mr. Galindo received for free. The retail price of all the parts Mr. Galindo purchased Neuspeed 2.5 Exhaust, Neuspeed 2.5 DP, Forge motorsport SMIC, Boost gauge w/Pod, Forge motorsport Golf inlet hose, Forge motorsport Turbo hose kit 4pc, Forge motorsport Race DV & Turbo kit which consists of E05 Turbo, AEM cold air, New Injectors, VR6 MAF, Sparks plugs, Software tuning, New gaskets & replacement bolts and studs is $5154.90. Mr. Galindo paid $3517.00 for all of the mentioned parts and labor that is a $2420.90 discount off the retail price of all the components purchased and installed.

Mr. Galindo did lend a hand during the install and once again this was completely voluntarily. All major parts were installed by us, including the welding of his downpipe and cat. From there we did some data logging on the beta software and explained to Mr. Galindo that we would contact him once we had any updates on the software. Mr. Galindo was very happy about the performance of his vehicle even during the beta stages. He explained to us that he gave several of his friends and coworkers rides and they were very impressed.

While waiting for Revo to come to Los Angeles to finish Mr. Galindo's car, there was communication via e-mail with Revo and we received several other beta versions for Mr. Galindo's vehicle for testing. Finally in the month of November we received word that a representative of Revo was coming down to tune Mr. Galindo's vehicle. We made arrangements for Mr. Galindo to provide his car and several days were spent on completing Mr. Galindo's car. He took delivery and once again he was extremely happy with the performance. At this time we explained to Mr. Galindo that using the SPS3 on High boost 9 would allow for his car to experience boost spikes above 20psi. EuroCode Tuning and Revo strongly recommended that he does not go above 20psi. The E05 is a small turbo very similar to the stock turbo in design and we were quite positive that Mr. Galindo fully comprehended what was explained to him as he is a V.W. certified technician and should understand that excessive boost levels will strain the turbo and lower its life expectancy considerably.

Mr. Galindo left that day but we contacted him shortly there after and invited him to join us at a Dyno day in Los Angels in December to see the performance of his turbo kit. We dynod his vehicle on 91Oct gas 198HP & 257ft/lb's of torque to the wheels. We explained to Mr. Galindo that we felt that these numbers were low apx. 227HP & 295ft/lb's of torque at the flywheel, and that we would like to take the vehicle to another dyno facility as different dyno packs can and will give different readings even the same dyno on a different day will have discrepancies which we experienced shortly after. At this point Mr. Galindo was not convinced and did not believe a word we said, so we recommended to let the car cool off first and then run it again using 104 oct unleaded fuel to see what type of numbers would be achieved. Low and behold to our surprise the same car on higher octane fuel with advanced timing to take advantage of the better fuel and on the same dyno within 1hours worth of time now was giving a reading of 187HP and 236ft/lb's of torque. Is this possible, apparently on that dyno it was, we lost 10HP & 21ft/lb's of torque using better fuel. That day ended and we lost communication with Mr. Galindo and we assumed that he was not interested in running his car on another dyno at different facility as we had offered.

Sometime early February we receive a call from Mr. Galindo that his Turbo had failed and he had installed his stock turbo back in his car and wanted the turbo replaced. We explained to him that the warranty is with the manufacturer Eurospec Sport and not EuroCode Tuning. He said I don't care just fix it. So we contacted Eurospec in an attempt to resolve the issue they said to have the customer ship the turbo for inspection so we had Mr. Galind send in his turbo. A week or two went buy and we kept on contacting Eurospec Sport and their response was that their technicians are busy and have not had time to inspect the turbo. Will after a long wait which we admit was over two weeks they inspected it and stated that the turbo had been abused and submitted to extreme conditions and would not be covered under warranty.

They were adamant that the turbo would have failed immediately after the install if it was defective and not 4 months later. This information was passed on to Mr. Galindo and he disagreed so we offered to have him contact Eurospec sport directly in a second attempt to see if they would offer him a replacement. They promised to contact EuroCode Tuning with a resolution to help satisfy him. They contacted us and stated that they would offer the customer a substantial discount, instead of paying $1250.00 Mr. Galindo was offered a brand new turbo for $450.00 a third of the actual retail. Mr. Galindo felt that this was unfair & unless we gave it to him for free that he would go on the forums and cost us our business.

Keep in mind that Mr. Galindo has signed our disclaimer on our invoice that states "EuroCode Tuning supplied Competition and Sports parts are sold "as-is" without any warranty whatsoever, as we have no control on how they are used. All products designed for off-road use are considered Sports parts. Implied warranties, including warranties of merchantability or fitness for a particular purpose, are excluded. The entire risk of quality and performance of sports parts is with the buyer. Should such parts prove defective following their purchase, the buyer, and not EuroCode Tuning, assumes the entire cost of all necessary services or repair."

Now we must add this, we have been in the car with Mr. Galindo during long test drives on several occasions, and speeds of 135mph+ were reached regularly without hesitation. While we do not condone this type of driving or speed's on public highways, even under controlled environments reving the motor up to 7000+ rpm & holding the car in sixth gear to redline to reach top speed, will shorten the life of any Turbo and I'm sure that any V.W. certified technician should be well aware of this fact.

We feel that this turbo may have been abused and placed under extreme driving conditions for excessive periods of time which would lead to turbo failure. If you look closely at the images posted, one of the turbine blades was broken off and got tossed inside the housing which damaged the other blades. This is called foreign object damage which could be due to a defect in the material of the Turbo. Another possibility would be excessive heat soak from increased boost levels which went against our recommendations. So we ask outsells why would a V.W. certified technician observe such conditions and yet continue to operate the vehicle if in fact they were occuring.

We also explained to Mr. Galindo that we sold him all the parts below our cost if he would have paid retail it would be $5154.90 but instead he paid $3517.00 and this saved him $2420.90 over the retail price. We also explained to him that we would have no problem paying for the $450.00 to replace his turbo for free that we don't even warranty, if he pays for the retail price of the kit & the cost of the labor which he received for free. Naturally Mr. Galindo declined and stated fine I will take the turbo for $450.00. We don't blame him for selecting to pay $450.00 for a second brand new turbo versus the additional $2420.90 he would have to pay as a retail customer. Mr. Galindo has been very well compensated for his time and the use of his vehicle.

Mr. Galindo also claims that he is a V.W. certified service technician. Knowing this we don't understand why he would allow the small turbo to run at 28psi that is if in fact it was reaching the claimed boost levels which we feel are just not possible. We also don't understand why he didn't contact us if he felt there was a problem. What also puzzles us is why he would not turn the boost levels down since he owns and knows how to operate an SPS3. None of the versions of the software including the final version ever saw 28psi as in Mr. Galindo's claims. Boost spikes of 22-23psi are achievable on high boost 9 setting but as we explained before to Mr. Galindo we do not recommend he use such a high setting and that is he did it would be at his own discretion. The boost that the turbo holds to redline is 14psi and not 22psi as Mr. Galindo has been claiming. We have another 20th anniversary with the same setup available if anyone cares to go for a ride and inspect the boost levels. As a side note it was not until after Mr. Galindo's turbo failed that Eurospec Sport started to included disclaimers with the turbo's that stated that they should not exceed 18psi.

To all, we hope we have answered all of your questions, concerns and doubts. We want all of our customers and future customers to know that we will take care of you. We know how much your car means to you. Please know that EuroCode Tuning will always stand behind its products and continue to give you the best service possible, as any honest tuner should. Thank you for the support.

Sincerely,

David Sarabi

EuroCode Tuning

[JoJo]

I must admit, I thought these ecode tuning guys were shady back on aw when they didn't even know about the revo software they sell:

http://forums.audiworld.com/a4gen2/msgs/544042.phtml

cliff notes: Someone made a post saying that when revo turns back to "stock", its not true stock. Someone from ecode tuning then tries to bash and insinuate that the original poster got this info from a rival chip company. Then a couple of people post proof directly from revo to back up the original posters comments, and ecode tuning changes the subject, and tries to bash some more.

[Europrojektz_8E]

Originally posted by JoJo
I must admit, I thought these ecode tuning guys were shady back on aw when they didn't even know about the revo software they sell:

http://forums.audiworld.com/a4gen2/msgs/544042.phtml

cliff notes: Someone made a post saying that when revo turns back to "stock", its not true stock. Someone from ecode tuning then tries to bash and insinuate that the original poster got this info from a rival chip company. Then a couple of people post proof directly from revo to back up the original posters comments, and ecode tuning changes the subject, and tries to bash some more.

I also thought that Eurocode Tuning was shady back then, but after talking to David and doing business with him, I thought that he was very knowledgeable and helpful. The guys at Eurocode Tuning know what they are doing and I don't think people should jump to any conclusions before doing business with them first.

[madrussian]

My question is... if there's no issues w/ the E05, then why such a sudden increase in posts by Ecode tonite?

I've never seen so many posts from a tuner company as I have tonite... furthermore it seems all these posts are the company trying to salvage their image from a rumor that supposedly false...

If its false, then do what all kids learned to do at a young age, ignore it and let it die down... instead you have about 20 threads going w/ the same response and stories and paragraphs of posting to cover things up and try to straigten them out...

Oh what tangled webs we weave...

[bhvrdr]

Originally posted by David@EuroCode
Mike,

One again you are putting words in my mouth. Below is you question.


Here you are asking me about derrick's turbo on an Audi A4.
"Originally posted by bhvrdr
Again David,
Was there a failure and have you figured out what may have caused it?

With respect,
Mike"

Below is my response to your question in regards to derricks turbo. What are you talking about when you say you have been lied to?

"Mike,

No harm done, wait I take that back . I appreciate the apology.


Unfortunately, there was no failure for all those out there starting this rumor.

Cheers,

David Sarabi"

Ahhh,
No, no, no. Not trying to put words in your mouth at all. It is so hard to talk rationally with a select few who are determined to be upset with one tuner or another. I appreciate your level headed responses David and you not lumping me in with those who are attacking you. I originally wanted to know if there were ANY eo5 failures and why and you just happened to respond about Villians car. I had not known about the VW failure specifically until i recently read the post that i included so i felt i was deceived. You did a fair job of explaining it which is all I was after. I appreciate you being diligent and weeding through some posts to answer my questions. As always, thank you for your response.

Mike

[JoJo]

Originally posted by enjoiweb
My question is... if there's no issues w/ the E05, then why such a sudden increase in posts by Ecode tonite?

I've never seen so many posts from a tuner company as I have tonite... furthermore it seems all these posts are the company trying to salvage their image from a rumor that supposedly false...

If its false, then do what all kids learned to do at a young age, ignore it and let it die down... instead you have about 20 threads going w/ the same response and stories and paragraphs of posting to cover things up and try to straigten them out...

Oh what tangled webs we weave...

I'm sure if they didn't respond and let it "die down", they'd have a bunch of posters screaming bloody murder because they aren't backing up there product and dispelling rumors.

[neoprufrok]

Originally posted by David@EuroCode He said he neglected the B6 crowed because he was becoming a doctor, great that’s after we made the used PES kit run right if we wouldn't have do so and showed people what could be done to a B6 with great tuning they would have never wasted their breath and the problems would have lingered on. The fear to loose business was the reason for the reply it’s called saving your ass. [/B]

To correct you, he was already a doctor. He was finishing up residency. If you have never experienced residency, you have never understood what it takes to work 80-120 hours a week under the extreme stress of saving patient's lives. All the while, learning to do it on the fly.

As a fellow physician, I figure Dr. Lim should get some slack for neglecting the B6 owners to pay attention to sick and dying patients. He offered a more than reasonable explanation, I wouldn't call that "saving your ass."

[bhvrdr]

Originally posted by neoprufrok
To correct you, he was already a doctor. He was finishing up residency. If you have never experienced residency, you have never understood what it takes to work 80-120 hours a week under the extreme stress of saving patient's lives. All the while, learning to do it on the fly.

As a fellow physician, I figure Dr. Lim should get some slack for neglecting the B6 owners to pay attention to sick and dying patients. He offered a more than reasonable explanation, I wouldn't call that "saving your ass."

Well stated. I dont think Dr. Lim ever tried to make excuses and he is still hard at work on our B6s. He never claimed to be a full time tuner, but has provided chips far beyond many persons expectations coming from a "garage tuner". What have I gotten myself into posting on audizine? This has gotten wierd and quickly. Take car bud...cheers! Mike

[BrokenXenon]

goddamn Dave's reply is goddamn long man. im not reading this

i've got better things to do... like figure out what to eat for lunch tomorrow

[DLSJ5]

Originally posted by neoprufrok
To correct you, he was already a doctor. He was finishing up residency. If you have never experienced residency, you have never understood what it takes to work 80-120 hours a week under the extreme stress of saving patient's lives. All the while, learning to do it on the fly.

As a fellow physician, I figure Dr. Lim should get some slack for neglecting the B6 owners to pay attention to sick and dying patients. He offered a more than reasonable explanation, I wouldn't call that "saving your ass."

Rich,

Just sharing some interesting info on this topic and since I had the T28 on my car I can tell you what I was told by PES and GIAC after waiting about 4 months to get my car tuned properly. I was fed one line after another and I still kept quiet on the forums because I had this small hint of hope that Garret was going to tune my car, no doubt the car was fast but it was well short of the advertised 270HP, not to mention it had all kinds of issues. Anyway here is what they told me: Quote "Garret is too busy tuning Porche's right now...he just doesn't have the time to do the B6.." They never told me about the residency thing, or that he was saving lives etc, which I agree is more important than tuning cars, all they basically said was Porche's are more important. Now he may have been in residency but I was told different, see how things can be mis- construded? Anyway Garret emailed me and apologized, it's cool, he offered to possibly work with me in the future, but I still wound up wasting $1500.00 of my money because I was mislead by PES and GIAC, sorry to respond so bluntly but if you had gone through what I did with that kit you'd feel the same way, that's all.

Best,

Drew

[madrussian]

DL5J5.... you work for ecode or something mang???

An awful lot of loyalty for them it seems...

[DLSJ5]

Originally posted by enjoiweb
DL5J5.... you work for ecode or something mang???

An awful lot of loyalty for them it seems...

No I don't work for them, but Dave is a friend of mine that's no secret, I've praised his work in many threads, he was worthy of it. I'm simply sharing info. What exactly has he done to you? You have an apparant slant too, is it the FMIC thing. I told him to get one out to you!

I didn't even mention David or Ecode in my last post BTW. You gotta understand the T28 thing cost me alot of money and time, it was totally frustrating. I think most of us have a side on this subject, there's a few neutral people. I share info and receive good info from 90% of the people on here, really the only Ecode product I have on my car is a Revo chip. David has just gone out of his way to help me on several occasions. Honestly you're the only one I've been butting heads with lately. I thought we buried this Bro? We have right?

Best,

Drew

[madrussian]

LOL... nah its not the FMIC thing... but thank you.

I got nothing against you, I'm just curious about these issues w/ E-Code and Villians as everyone else is. I was also wondering why you were such an avid fan of Ecodes, since you seem to defend them and are so loyal to them... nothing against it, to each his own, but was just wondering why...

[DLSJ5]

Originally posted by enjoiweb
LOL... nah its not the FMIC thing... but thank you.

I got nothing against you, I'm just curious about these issues w/ E-Code and Villians as everyone else is. I was also wondering why you were such an avid fan of Ecodes, since you seem to defend them and are so loyal to them... nothing against it, to each his own, but was just wondering why...

LOL, It's a valid question, I don't hang out with David or Derrick everyday, but we all three share a passion for cars. I mean we base everything on our experiences, I'm not saying everyone has had a good experience with Ecode, or any Tuner for that matter they all get bashed and grenaded everyday. But David really did take the time to make my car run right, it runs damn good, very fast as some here will atest too, that's why I'm a fan of Dave's and I defend him when I see the need to.

It's getting late and my wife's pissed off at me cause I've been on this computer allnight!!! But just a quick example my air conditioning went out, I didn't know it and my car was making all kinds of noises, I didn't know WTF was going on so I called Dave and he took the time out to see what was up, then he hooked me up with an Audi dealer that was mod friendly, the FMIC sticks out like a sore thumb!!! He didn't have too but he did. Anyway hope all this dies down, I'll try and be more neutral in the future, LOL is that even possible!!!

Best,

Drew

[bbaudi382]

hahaha wife.

sucker =)

[Projekt 8E]

judge judy says, take it to court, not the boards!

[DLSJ5]

Originally posted by Projekt 8E
judge judy says, take it to court, not the boards!

Now that's funny!!!! About time you posted over here!!! Sh** my wife's coming gotta go!

[bbaudi382]

LOL

*whaaaaaaaaaaaaaPAHHHHH*

[bhvrdr]

ROFLMAO...now that was funny yo! cheers! mike

[A4NCAR]

Originally posted by BoostTed
If I were you I wouldnt compare myself to Garrett Lim. That man is a stand up guy, a true enthusiast, a very good guy. He is on his way to becoming a doctor, he helps and trys to saves lives for a living. I would give up a tuning company to do that anyday. I would not call what he did saving his ass. So what if a problem with a turbo kit on a B6 lingered on because he had more important things to do like becoming a doctor. If I were you I wouldnt think so highly of myself because you solved a T-28 problem. Compared to what he will accomplish you did nothing.

What kind of nonsense is that? He's not comparing himself to Garret Lim, or making comparisons of being a medical practitioner vs car tuner, but simply pointing out the failed tuning of the PES T-28 kit. Most of us know that. And, "So what if a problem with a turbo kit on a B6 lingered on because he had more important things to do like becoming a doctor.? Oh, I don't know, maybe the fact that someone like Drew spent thousands of his hard earned money on this PES T-28 kit and was lead on for months with the promise of it being properly tuned!! Gee, but I guess becoming a Doctor is justification to ignore those promises. (Hmmm, do I want a person like that to be a Doctor?). With all respect; get your priorites in order then. Don't make promises to tune a T-28 kit for PES and leave a customer (like Drew) stranded for 4 months. I know what he was going through too, because I had contacted him early on, as I was very interested in this kit and wanted to check it out. But it just dragged on and on with no end in sight. And after months of promises, excuses and a poorly running car (and boy, how I know what that's like), he then had to struggle to get his refund because PES didn't want to refund it - even after agreeing to it and having received the kit back. Now that's how you do business it seems in the aftermarket/tuner world. Let's here it for business ethics! <roaring hand claps>. Drew mentioned to me that PES informed him that Garret was too busy tuning MB or Porsche. I could not believe that was said to him, because that would have been it for me. There was also never any mention of his Doctor residency. But again, it's no excuse, irrelevent. He should have not offered to tune it in the first place. Still sounds like a simple case of misplaced priorites. We all know how we would feel if we were in Drew's position - seriously pissed off and wanting our money back. One month, let alone 4 months, is unexceptable for getting a turbo kit tuned that was suppose to be basically ready to go.



Anyways, I can't wait until the next GTG/Show I think I'll pass. All this is getting a bit too much.

[phs0316]

Originally posted by Europrojektz_8E
I also thought that Eurocode Tuning was shady back then, but after talking to David and doing business with him, I thought that he was very knowledgeable and helpful. The guys at Eurocode Tuning know what they are doing and I don't think people should jump to any conclusions before doing business with them first.

I totally agree with you...

and I think the present is more important than past..

Dave is great now..

and people.. who want to fight against competitor..

please be genttle and compete with your brain not with your mouth...

[phs0316]

Originally posted by Europrojektz_8E
I also thought that Eurocode Tuning was shady back then, but after talking to David and doing business with him, I thought that he was very knowledgeable and helpful. The guys at Eurocode Tuning know what they are doing and I don't think people should jump to any conclusions before doing business with them first.

I totally agree with you...

and I think the present is more important than past..

Dave is great now..

and people.. who want to fight against competitor..

please be genttle and compete with your brain not with your mouth...

[JMG]

You know what... I'm just a little peeved that Eurocode doesn't provide any products for the B5ers. What up with that huh?

[gearhead]

What kind of nonsense is that? He's not comparing himself to Garret Lim, or making comparisons of being a medical practitioner vs car tuner, but simply pointing out the failed tuning of the PES T-28 kit. Most of us know that. And, "So what if a problem with a turbo kit on a B6 lingered on because he had more important things to do like becoming a doctor.? Oh, I don't know, maybe the fact that someone like Drew spent thousands of his hard earned money on this PES T-28 kit and was lead on for months with the promise of it being properly tuned!! Gee, but I guess becoming a Doctor is justification to ignore those promises. (Hmmm, do I want a person like that to be a Doctor?).

OWN3D!

[BoostTed]

Originally posted by A4NCAR
What kind of nonsense is that? He's not comparing himself to Garret Lim, or making comparisons of being a medical practitioner vs car tuner, but simply pointing out the failed tuning of the PES T-28 kit. Most of us know that. And, "So what if a problem with a turbo kit on a B6 lingered on because he had more important things to do like becoming a doctor.? Oh, I don't know, maybe the fact that someone like Drew spent thousands of his hard earned money on this PES T-28 kit and was lead on for months with the promise of it being properly tuned!! Gee, but I guess becoming a Doctor is justification to ignore those promises. (Hmmm, do I want a person like that to be a Doctor?). With all respect; get your priorites in order then. Don't make promises to tune a T-28 kit for PES and leave a customer (like Drew) stranded for 4 months. I know what he was going through too, because I had contacted him early on, as I was very interested in this kit and wanted to check it out. But it just dragged on and on with no end in sight. And after months of promises, excuses and a poorly running car (and boy, how I know what that's like), he then had to struggle to get his refund because PES didn't want to refund it - even after agreeing to it and having received the kit back. Now that's how you do business it seems in the aftermarket/tuner world. Let's here it for business ethics! <roaring hand claps>. Drew mentioned to me that PES informed him that Garret was too busy tuning MB or Porsche. I could not believe that was said to him, because that would have been it for me. There was also never any mention of his Doctor residency. But again, it's no excuse, irrelevent. He should have not offered to tune it in the first place. Still sounds like a simple case of misplaced priorites. We all know how we would feel if we were in Drew's position - seriously pissed off and wanting our money back. One month, let alone 4 months, is unexceptable for getting a turbo kit tuned that was suppose to be basically ready to go.



Anyways, I can't wait until the next GTG/Show I think I'll pass. All this is getting a bit too much.

That is a risk that a customer has to take when he goes with an untested kit in a new market. i would have done more reserch on it, possibly wait until a few more people purchase the kit and see how it works out for them. If i were in PES/GIAC's shoes would I have promised to tune it for Drew, probably not, I wont make a promise i couldnt keep, but I'm not them so I dont know what their situation was. I had chances to test and develop kits when I had my A4 and the Z. I declined on the Z because I couldnt risk an engine failure. When a kit is new to a market, its going to have kinks in it no matter how much R&D they did before releasing it, that is a given and a risk you are going to have to accept.

[Europrojektz_8E]

Originally posted by BoostTed
That is a risk that a customer has to take when he goes with an untested kit in a new market. i would have done more reserch on it, possibly wait until a few more people purchase the kit and see how it works out for them. If i were in PES/GIAC's shoes would I have promised to tune it for Drew, probably not, I wont make a promise i couldnt keep, but I'm not them so I dont know what their situation was. I had chances to test and develop kits when I had my A4 and the Z. I declined on the Z because I couldnt risk an engine failure. When a kit is new to a market, its going to have kinks in it no matter how much R&D they did before releasing it, that is a given and a risk you are going to have to accept.

just off the topic, your z looks pretty crazy! plz post some pics of it

[OverSpun]

man the b6 forum is just a bunch of bickering old women... us b5ers get along perfectly with our tuners and vice verca.. ha.

[JMG]

Originally posted by A4NCAR
What kind of nonsense is that? He's not comparing himself to Garret Lim, or making comparisons of being a medical practitioner vs car tuner, but simply pointing out the failed tuning of the PES T-28 kit. Most of us know that. And, "So what if a problem with a turbo kit on a B6 lingered on because he had more important things to do like becoming a doctor.? Oh, I don't know, maybe the fact that someone like Drew spent thousands of his hard earned money on this PES T-28 kit and was lead on for months with the promise of it being properly tuned!! Gee, but I guess becoming a Doctor is justification to ignore those promises. (Hmmm, do I want a person like that to be a Doctor?). With all respect; get your priorites in order then. Don't make promises to tune a T-28 kit for PES and leave a customer (like Drew) stranded for 4 months. I know what he was going through too, because I had contacted him early on, as I was very interested in this kit and wanted to check it out. But it just dragged on and on with no end in sight. And after months of promises, excuses and a poorly running car (and boy, how I know what that's like), he then had to struggle to get his refund because PES didn't want to refund it - even after agreeing to it and having received the kit back. Now that's how you do business it seems in the aftermarket/tuner world. Let's here it for business ethics! <roaring hand claps>. Drew mentioned to me that PES informed him that Garret was too busy tuning MB or Porsche. I could not believe that was said to him, because that would have been it for me. There was also never any mention of his Doctor residency. But again, it's no excuse, irrelevent. He should have not offered to tune it in the first place. Still sounds like a simple case of misplaced priorites. We all know how we would feel if we were in Drew's position - seriously pissed off and wanting our money back. One month, let alone 4 months, is unexceptable for getting a turbo kit tuned that was suppose to be basically ready to go.



Anyways, I can't wait until the next GTG/Show I think I'll pass. All this is getting a bit too much.

He should have known the risks and downtime involved in trying a new kit with untested software. That's just life. As for him not getting his money back, well that's something PES has to answer for. Not good business practice IMO, but who knows the whole story but Drew and PES? I wouldn't blame Dr. Lim for what PES says... maybe they had no idea and just came up with something. I don't trust 3rd party info, do you?

I am by no means tryign to defent PES or Garret. I just noticed another instance of miscommunication and unfair judgement.

[EVIL-AUDI]

I don't want to hear one bad word about Garrett Lim.

[madrussian]

You know I sit here and I read this, and I'm frankly amazed...

You all bash on Garret Lim because he supposedly didn't tune a turbo which he promised to do, we don't know if this is true or false or anything, we just have DLSJ5's word... and as is clearly evident the man tends to be a little biased for David and Ecode, no offense Drew, just stating the truth.

Unfortunately, I'm not ready to yet kiss ass w/ Ecode simply because someone directed me to a dealer or helped me fix my AC. I'd be thankful and friendly w/ the person, sure... but I don't care how passionate someone is about our cars, if they begin to lie and spread false truths about kits and try to cover them up, than they could be god himself and I'd still call them out on it, because in the end it's the consumer whose getting screwed.

Why isn't anybody recollecting the incident with the Golf from Vortex, if you ask me that's a classic example of what this Garret situation is... the tuner, Ecode, promised to provide great tuning, great numbers, and a phenominal turbo. Unfortunately they fell short and when it came to having to deal with the problem, they decided they had enough of the guy and to start charging him for his turbo and what not...

Now I'm not defending PES or Garret Lin, but I think it's extremely absurd to get a new turbo kit thats still in R&D stages like the T28 and the proceed to get pissed off and bad mouth people like Garret Lim and PES because it didn't work out for you, it's the risk's you take in getting such a kit, is it not?

And this still doesn't answer the questions that I've asked in this thread and others...

Oh and one last thing, before I get rants that I'm biased and working for another tuner company that's supposedly against Ecode... let me set it straight, I have no connection to any company that will gain anything from this. I'm biased sure, in that I want the truth and all the stories to quit being produced and to quit trying to place the blame on others, such as the guy w/ the Golf, Garret Lim, PES, Randy, etc.

[teknik]

no one is perfect.... everyone has a bad day.... yeah an E05 went up in smoke... yeah GIAC's t28 program for the pes kit was crap... PES should be blamed for releasing the kit to early...

but whatever.. I value having real "tuners" on the board and I really dont want them run off especially when 99% of us dont know the whole truth... but we still flame away...

[madrussian]

Originally posted by teknik

no one is perfect.... everyone has a bad day.... yeah an E05 went up in smoke... yeah GIAC's t28 program for the pes kit was crap... PES should be blamed for releasing the kit to early...

but whatever.. I value having real "tuners" on the board and I really dont want them run off especially when 99% of us dont know the whole truth... but we still flame away...

Yeah... better we stay quiet and let companies lie to keep them around instead of demanding the truth.