Here is a teaser for you guys on those dyno runs...

**Jet Jockey** · 08-02-2004 03:55 PM

The best run of the day was done under less then ideal circumstance, 100 degrees F in the dyno room and the dyno's computer crashed twice so we had to reboot the system. The car got heat soaked a lot, I saw 70 C intake temps on the VAG COM. Still got good results but decided to cool the car a bit before doing a last run.

Anyway we managed to pull under these conditions, 215 HP at the wheels and 285 ft/lbs of torque at the wheels at around 3100 RPM. Not too bad.

**Saturnine** · 08-02-2004 04:02 PM

Thats not to shabby.

**neoprufrok** · 08-02-2004 04:11 PM

What's the total increase (over stock) on that Jet, and what's the difference between today's and your last run...

**Jet Jockey** · 08-02-2004 04:17 PM

Originally posted by neoprufrok
What's the total increase (over stock) on that Jet, and what's the difference between today's and your last run...

Today it was 100F on the last runs in the dyno room vs 84F last time, but there is more to it then that which I will explain later.

The total gain so far is 90 Hp over stock and about 130 ft/lbs.

**neoprufrok** · 08-02-2004 04:41 PM

Originally posted by Jet Jockey
Today it was 100F on the last runs in the dyno room vs 84F last time, but there is more to it then that which I will explain later.

The total gain so far is 90 Hp over stock and about 130 ft/lbs.

Man... nice numbers!

**teknik** · 08-02-2004 05:46 PM

I know its not apples to apples, but arent these numbers similar to the e05 kit? which uses a bigger compressor then the ko4???

**Jet Jockey** · 08-02-2004 05:53 PM

I don't know the answer to that.

**DLSJ5** · 08-02-2004 06:55 PM

Mike,

Awesome numbers, and here I was saying a K04 couldn't put out those figures, I'm glad you proved me wrong. MTM needs to change their HP #'s for the Stage 3, Avalon says 230CHP, and Hoppen says 250CHP, you shattered both of them!!!! Awesome!

**teknik** · 08-02-2004 07:09 PM

MTM doesnt like to brag....

**Jet Jockey** · 08-02-2004 07:13 PM

Originally posted by DLSJ5
Mike,

Awesome numbers, and here I was saying a K04 couldn't put out those figures, I'm glad you proved me wrong. MTM needs to change their HP #'s for the Stage 3, Avalon says 230CHP, and Hoppen says 250CHP, you shattered both of them!!!! Awesome!

To be fair, MTM usually plays it safe with their numbers. Also my car is tweaked what you could call a standard MTM Stage 3. I did polish and port the manifold and I do have the duals which may help and the turbo inlet pipe. If I have time I will post three seperate dyno runs with three different settings.

**DLSJ5** · 08-02-2004 07:24 PM

Originally posted by Jet Jockey
To be fair, MTM usually plays it safe with their numbers. Also my car is tweaked what you could call a standard MTM Stage 3. I did polish and port the manifold and I do have the duals which may help and noe the turbo inlet pipe. If I have time I will post three seperate dyno runs with three different settings.

Sounds good, you never fail to deliever on the details!!! I realize that you're not just the basic MTM stage 3, but PP will only give you so much, the Duals marginal, the turbo inlet pipe maybe 5? Also the E05 hit 270Hp and I doubted that as well, so what do I know! I think with the right fuel, tuning and patience that it's possible. I think your attention to detail, quest for perfection and your knowledge has played a part in your success as well. Not to mention the ambient temps were not ideal in this latest dyno run and the fact that you hit such good numbers. I mean people always say it's the dyno and I always criticize those who blame the dyno, so I'm going to take your runs as facts. Excellent job Mike, looking forward to seeing the comparisons.

**Jet Jockey** · 08-02-2004 07:30 PM

Originally posted by DLSJ5
Sounds good, you never fail to deliever on the details!!! I realize that you're not just the basic MTM stage 3, but PP will only give you so much, the Duals marginal, the turbo inlet pipe maybe 5? Also the E05 hit 270Hp and I doubted that as well, so what do I know! I think with the right fuel, tuning and patience that it's possible. I think your attention to detail, quest for perfection and your knowledge has played a part in your success as well. Not to mention the ambient temps were not ideal in this latest dyno run and the fact that you hit such good numbers. I mean people always say it's the dyno and I always criticize those who blame the dyno, so I'm going to take your runs as facts. Excellent job Mike, looking forward to seeing the comparisons.

Thanks Drew.

**astris** · 08-02-2004 07:38 PM

That is a lot of torque. That thing must launch like crazy now.

**A4 - Oh Snap** · 08-02-2004 08:53 PM

isn't the MTM Stage 3 really expensive relative to the Revo / E05 setup? Or is it fairly close in price?

**teknik** · 08-03-2004 06:22 AM

mtm stage 3 is pretty much a complete kit less the clutch.. but its still quite expensive for a k04 setup....

qaulity is top notch though..... youd have a hard time finding a better exhuast system...

**Jet Jockey** · 08-03-2004 06:54 AM

Originally posted by DLSJ5
Mike,

Awesome numbers, and here I was saying a K04 couldn't put out those figures, I'm glad you proved me wrong. MTM needs to change their HP #'s for the Stage 3, Avalon says 230CHP, and Hoppen says 250CHP, you shattered both of them!!!! Awesome!

The 230 CHP is the figure MTM uses in Germany, TUV?
In England the distributor uses 240?
Inthe USA Mike decided to use the 250 Hp and 255 ft/lbs after talking to the technician at MTM Germany. I would think that the Hoppen figures are most likely closer to the real numbers.

**Jet Jockey** · 08-03-2004 06:57 AM

Originally posted by A4 - Oh Snap
isn't the MTM Stage 3 really expensive relative to the Revo / E05 setup? Or is it fairly close in price?

Not expensive, very expensive and that's all I'm going to say about that.

**Saturnine** · 08-03-2004 08:53 AM

You get what you pay for thou

**neoprufrok** · 08-03-2004 10:00 AM

Originally posted by Saturnine
You get what you pay for thou

Yes you do. They're reliable kits and very rarely have I seen anybody get a failure with them. MTM does their research and I've always been impressed with their products.

**A4NCAR** · 08-03-2004 02:12 PM

Originally posted by A4 - Oh Snap
isn't the MTM Stage 3 really expensive relative to the Revo / E05 setup? Or is it fairly close in price?

Yes it is, $6500. It includes the full DP/CAT exhaust system though (which alone is around $3600). So, as some have pointed out, you can get an alternative power upgrade like this, but cheaper.
There are reasons, as pointed out many times, why MTM is more expensive though (exchange rates, TUV costs, R&D,..etc). Same for Sportec. Just part of the inevitable consequence of buying a kit from Europe.

**A4NCAR** · 08-03-2004 02:13 PM

Originally posted by neoprufrok
Yes you do. They're reliable kits and very rarely have I seen anybody get a failure with them. MTM does their research and I've always been impressed with their products.

Ahem

**A4NCAR** · 08-03-2004 02:21 PM

Originally posted by Jet Jockey
Today it was 100F on the last runs in the dyno room vs 84F last time, but there is more to it then that which I will explain later.

The total gain so far is 90 Hp over stock and about 130 ft/lbs.

Wow!

So around 260hp / 290 ft/lb torque. MTM/JHM #'s were very conservative. Now if only my Stage 2 #'s were as impressive for 91 octane on my car. I should see better then 215hp / 245 lb/ft torque with the DP/CAT, TIP,.. etc. But wait, I keep forgetting I have 91 craptane (and no disclaimer was ever mentioned about that).

**neoprufrok** · 08-03-2004 05:52 PM

Originally posted by A4NCAR
Ahem

Hahahaha...lol.

Well, impressed with everything but how Hoppen has handled your issue with the MTM software/hardware.

I have to have hope!

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