APR Stage 3 Update

**Kman** · 07-26-2004 05:23 PM

Talked with the people at APR today, they say they are still sourcing parts for the kit, trying to bring the cost down. The way it stands right now, the kit will be priced between 5k and 6k. Also, they are still tweeking the software. They are also waiting for silicone hoses for the FMIC and cutting will be required on the inside of the bumper for the proper fit. Maybe ready by the end of September.........

**bbaudi382** · 07-26-2004 05:24 PM

nah i dont thnk so. it will be ready in "two weeks".

**Kman** · 07-26-2004 05:35 PM

yes, your right its the APR 2 weeks, 2 weeks, 2 weeks, and the 2 weeks.............

**G_A4** · 07-26-2004 05:39 PM

that was 2 weeks, two weeks ago.

**bhvrdr** · 07-26-2004 06:17 PM

Originally posted by Kman
Talked with the people at APR today, they say they are still sourcing parts for the kit, trying to bring the cost down. The way it stands right now, the kit will be priced between 5k and 6k. Also, they are still tweeking the software. They are also waiting for silicone hoses for the FMIC and cutting will be required on the inside of the bumper for the proper fit. Maybe ready by the end of September.........

So basically they are trying to find hardware for the kit, don't have the software completed (not going to happen anytime soon), and dont even have the intercooler done. Am I the only one here who thinks the B6 APR stage 3 is going to be a very different quality than that of the B5 APR stage 3? cheers! mike

**Silence** · 07-26-2004 06:19 PM

6k? F that. Glad I went the route I went....

**phs0316** · 07-26-2004 07:21 PM

Originally posted by Silence
6k? F that. Glad I went the route I went....

Silence... I like your setting...

If APR stg3 is expensive...

How much did you spend for you setting?

**Silence** · 07-26-2004 07:48 PM

Me? Hehe. About 3k.

**G_A4** · 07-26-2004 07:54 PM

Originally posted by Silence
Me? Hehe. About 3k.

to smoke M3's like that. man thats a bang for your buck wouldn't you say.

**Silence** · 07-26-2004 07:57 PM

'Tis, 'tis indeed. I am throughly happy with the cars performance. Now If I can figure out this stupid manifold situation.

**G_A4** · 07-26-2004 07:59 PM

whats the issue? bolts coming loss?

**zemun2** · 07-26-2004 08:11 PM

Originally posted by Silence
'Tis, 'tis indeed. I am throughly happy with the cars performance. Now If I can figure out this stupid manifold situation.

Hey Silence,
This is what NS did to fix my loose bolt issue.

**G_A4** · 07-26-2004 08:13 PM

d, what the hell is that. some kind of custom work i guess.

**Nocturnal** · 07-26-2004 08:25 PM

I also got off the fone w/APR today asking about the Stage 3 kit for the A4. They told me they're expecting another 3 months LATEST until its available to us.

I also asked them flat out if they are realistically saying that, or j/building hype. They replied that the company who they ordered parts from told them 3 months, but the company they order their parts from tends to delay things, and if they do, there's nothing APR can do about it but wait.

**zemun2** · 07-26-2004 08:58 PM

Originally posted by G_A4
d, what the hell is that. some kind of custom work i guess.

One more reason to stay away from SK04, it works but it looks ugly.
Dealer can spot this from mile away.

**Saturnine** · 07-26-2004 09:00 PM

Whoa, thats weird looking.

**zemun2** · 07-26-2004 09:03 PM

Yes Sir it is.

**G_A4** · 07-26-2004 09:08 PM

Originally posted by bhvrdr
So basically they are trying to find hardware for the kit, don't have the software completed (not going to happen anytime soon), and dont even have the intercooler done. Am I the only one here who thinks the B6 APR stage 3 is going to be a very different quality than that of the B5 APR stage 3? cheers! mike

is this going to be good thing or a bad thing? anyways just interested.

**BrokenXenon** · 07-26-2004 09:28 PM

oh 2 weaks

**DLSJ5** · 07-26-2004 09:41 PM

At least APR is not making the mistake of releasing a kit before it's completed. This isn't just any turbo kit, it's alot of power and they're trying to give us what we want, so we don't whine and cry about this and that. They're using all the stock emissions, the stock airbox, the N75 valve you won't need a BC. Take it from someone who was sold a T28 kit for 4 grand then finds out the software isn't even done and who never received the complete hardware for the kit to begin with!!! I'm willing to wait for things to be right, they've been working for two years, it's closer than you might think.

Yes it's taking awhile, it's gonna be an awesome kit though, this isn't a wimpy upgrade, we will make some serious power. They admitted to me that they have released conflicting info. What company hasn't? It's not like they don't want to make it happen. It takes time, who else has a big turbo kit ready? NO ONE! 5 grand isn't too bad for 340HP and 370 on 100 octane. The money they spend on R&D for a kit like this is bigtime $$$$, they gotta make it back some how, it's not a lucrative product for them. No other big turbo kit will make this power. I say take your time APR, get it right.

Having said all that, PLEASE HURRY!!!!!!!!

**G_A4** · 07-26-2004 09:47 PM

Originally posted by DLSJ5
At least APR is not making the mistake of releasing a kit before it's completed. This isn't just any turbo kit, it's alot of power and they're trying to give us what we want, so we don't whine and cry about this and that. They're using all the stock emissions, the stock airbox, the N75 valve you won't need a BC. Take it from someone who was sold a T28 kit for 4 grand then finds out the software isn't even done and who never received the complete hardware for the kit to begin with!!! I'm willing to wait for things to be right, they've been working for two years, it's closer than you might think.

Yes it's taking awhile, it's gonna be an awesome kit though, this isn't a wimpy upgrade, we will make some serious power. They admitted to me that they have released conflicting info. What company hasn't? It's not like they don't want to make it happen. It takes time, who else has a big turbo kit ready? NO ONE! 5 grand isn't too bad for 340HP and 370 on 100 octane. The money they spend on R&D for a kit like this is bigtime $$$$, they gotta make it back some how, it's not a lucrative product for them. No other big turbo kit will make this power. I say take your time APR, get it right.

Having said all that, PLEASE HURRY!!!!!!!!

thats good stuff. i know that APR has really good hardware and it's good that they are taking their time. i'm with you on some companies releasing their product pre-maturely and taking a complete nose dive thats BS. thats a lot of power for the stage 3 and the kit looks really juicy. good stuff. cant wait to see it in your car.

**DLSJ5** · 07-26-2004 10:00 PM

Originally posted by G_A4
thats good stuff. i know that APR has really good hardware and it's good that they are taking their time. i'm with you on some companies releasing their product pre-maturely and taking a complete nose dive thats BS. thats a lot of power for the stage 3 and the kit looks really juicy. good stuff. cant wait to see it in your car.

Thanks man, I think it's gonna be an awesome kit, it'll put APR back on the map for the B6, Kman you even said that.

Another point that Rich mentioned is that APR has a great history with their B5 kits, I have two friends who ran the kit on their B5 and the hardware is emmaculate. On both the DBW and NDBW cars, these kits ran incredible, the PES T28 ran very good on the NDBW cars, very fast, Digit@alex and Sameer can attest to that. But they had some problems with DBW cars, do a search on AW you'll see. Our cars are DBW, very difficult to tune.

Also as Silence and I know, bolts come loose and break off the T28 kits. I'm willing to spend a little more for good hardware rather than spending the time under the hood,

**G_A4** · 07-26-2004 10:05 PM

Originally posted by DLSJ5
Thanks man, I think it's gonna be an awesome kit, it'll put APR back on the map for the B6, Kman you even said that. Another point that Rich mentioned is that APR has a great history with their B5 kits, I have two friends who ran the kit on their B5 and the hardware is emmaculate. On both the DBW and NDBW cars, these kits ran incredible, the PES T28 ran very good on the DBW cars, very fast, Digit@alex and Sameer can attest to that. But they had some problems with NDBW cars, do a search on AW you'll see. Our cars are NDBW, very difficult to tune.

Also as Silence and I know, bolts come loose and break off the T28 kits. I'm willing to spend a little more for good hardware rather than spending the time under the hood,

i've seen the apr stage 3 on the b5's and man they super fast. as you said really awesome hardware. just have to wait, hmmm lets see two more weeks.

**giago** · 07-26-2004 10:10 PM

but that's a lot of money!!!
6k!!
maybe in a couple of years!

**DLSJ5** · 07-26-2004 10:36 PM

Originally posted by giago
but that's a lot of money!!!
6k!!
maybe in a couple of years!

LOL, I know it's money!!! But wait until you see the price of the "TUV" approved kits, now that's alot of money, 10-12K for a big turbo kit, that won't make the power this APR Stage 3 GT28RS will. I mean 6K is still under what it costs for MTM's stage 3 K04 kit! Mike, (Jet) please don't take that personally, your cars actually making good power for a K04.

**Silence** · 07-26-2004 10:47 PM

Drew; Our cars are DBW, not nDBW. You have them backwards. DBW is a pain, and has throttle issues that NDBW doesn't.

Zemun; That is ABSURD. I cannot believe Neuspeed, a supposed reputable company would do something like that as a fix. Can you say GHETTO? It doesn't get more mickey mouse than that.

**DLSJ5** · 07-26-2004 10:59 PM

Originally posted by Silence
Drew; Our cars are DBW, not nDBW. You have them backwards. DBW is a pain, and has throttle issues that NDBW doesn't.

Opps you're right, I had it the other way when I first wrote it, then changed it. Duh, glad my editor caught it.

I went back and reversed it.

**Silence** · 07-26-2004 11:03 PM

That's what I'm here for. ;p

**zemun2** · 07-26-2004 11:08 PM

Originally posted by Silence
Zemun; That is ABSURD. I cannot believe Neuspeed, a supposed reputable company would do something like that as a fix. Can you say GHETTO? It doesn't get more mickey mouse than that.

Disney all the way.

**gearhead** · 07-27-2004 03:51 AM

Originally posted by zemun2
Hey Silence,
This is what NS did to fix my loose bolt issue.

**gearhead** · 07-27-2004 03:58 AM

5 grand isn't too bad for 340HP and 370 on 100 octane.

Agreed! But I wonder how much power Silence is making with his kit?

Ahhh, this will be never ending! See money leaving my pockets for years. My wife says we all have "turbo envy"!

**bhvrdr** · 07-27-2004 05:08 AM

Originally posted by G_A4
is this going to be good thing or a bad thing? anyways just interested.

A very bad thing. I have seen cold start issues, surging issues, computer failures, and swithching issues with just APRs stage 1 and 1.5 programs. This was never a problem with them previously. Their B5 stage 3 kits have proven every bit as reliable and high performing as their european counterparts for half the price in some cases. I don't trust that to be the case anymore. I'm not trying to stir anything up, but fact of the matter is that APR lost a couple important programmers to Revo and there is a lawsuit in effect. Since that time, Revo has been kicking some serious but and poor APR has been having nothing but problems. Oh, well. Cheers! Mike
http://www.goapr.com/Audi/revo/index.html

**HighPSI** · 07-27-2004 09:00 AM

I hope im not opening up a beez nest, but thats partly why i didnt go revo and am waitin on APR, not givin my $$ to Revo
but their is no dispute that revo is puttin out good software

**G_A4** · 07-27-2004 09:17 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by bhvrdr
A very bad thing. I have seen cold start issues, surging issues, computer failures, and swithching issues with just APRs stage 1 and 1.5 programs. This was never a problem with them previously. Their B5 stage 3 kits have proven every bit as reliable and high performing as their european counterparts for half the price in some cases. I don't trust that to be the case anymore. I'm not trying to stir anything up, but fact of the matter is that APR lost a couple important programmers to Revo and there is a lawsuit in effect. Since that time, Revo has been kicking some serious but and poor APR has been having nothing but problems. Oh, well. Cheers! Mike
http://www.goapr.com/Audi/revo/index.html [/QUOTE
i use REVO and love their software. few friends of mine that own b6's went the APR route and exactly that, surging, switching issues, just one big headache. i'm happy a happy customer in REVO.

**neoprufrok** · 07-27-2004 09:21 AM

My take on this issue is this:

It's premature to say how the kit will work until we see it. APR's history with B6's is so far poor but they have had a lot to deal with in terms of losing programmer's to REVO, filing a lawsuit with REVO, etc.

I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt, partly because I've seen good things from them in the B5's, but also partly because I don't have any money now anyways...

**USCAAAA** · 07-27-2004 10:44 AM

I am a happy owner of the APR stage 1+ kit with T225 injectors and their exhaust and have never experienced ANYTHING "very bad". Although it isn't as agressive as GIAC or REVO, it is certainly not an inferior product. I have friends with unchipped cars that I walk away from without a problem, constantly assuring me that my investment was not wasted, and I can't wait until I'm walking away from M3's and I know that it was well worth the wait. I guess we'll find out in "two weeks" but as long as that two weeks happens within the next six months, I know I'm gonna be first in line! Oh, and I've never heard it explained so well as "turbo envy", your wife sees right through us

and all these mods are just viagra to make us feel like our slow a4s are adequate!

Originally posted by bhvrdr
A very bad thing. I have seen cold start issues, surging issues, computer failures, and swithching issues with just APRs stage 1 and 1.5 programs. This was never a problem with them previously. Their B5 stage 3 kits have proven every bit as reliable and high performing as their european counterparts for half the price in some cases. I don't trust that to be the case anymore. I'm not trying to stir anything up, but fact of the matter is that APR lost a couple important programmers to Revo and there is a lawsuit in effect. Since that time, Revo has been kicking some serious but and poor APR has been having nothing but problems. Oh, well. Cheers! Mike
http://www.goapr.com/Audi/revo/index.html

**bhvrdr** · 07-27-2004 11:17 AM

Originally posted by USCAAAA
I am a happy owner of the APR stage 1+ kit with T225 injectors and their exhaust and have never experienced ANYTHING "very bad". Although it isn't as agressive as GIAC or REVO, it is certainly not an inferior product. I have friends with unchipped cars that I walk away from without a problem, constantly assuring me that my investment was not wasted, and I can't wait until I'm walking away from M3's and I know that it was well worth the wait. I guess we'll find out in "two weeks" but as long as that two weeks happens within the next six months, I know I'm gonna be first in line! Oh, and I've never heard it explained so well as "turbo envy", your wife sees right through us and all these mods are just viagra to make us feel like our slow a4s are adequate!