Which sway bar : H-sport, Neuspeed, H&R or orther

[Power AE4]

It's hard to find a straight answer in the search. My 04 Avant Ultra sport seems to handle pretty well with not much understeer, just want know if a set of aftermarket sway bar will made a big difference in overall handling and which is the best.

[Saturnine]

Ive seen the H bars in person, and they are just awesome. I know if i ever get sways, it'll prolly be H Sports

[Vanimaniac]

I put Hsports on my Avant. But just put the rears on.
Now I'm a drifter!

Van

[Europrojektz_8E]

I have h-sport, and I love them. They don't need to be welded like the neuspeed.

[kwan]

How much did you get the rears for Van? I was looking on pure ms' site they have the set for 373. Wondering if I should get it....

http://www.pure-motorsport.com/produ...87/CA=213/PA=7

[bhvrdr]

No complaints with the H-sports. Mike at purems.com is an excellent guy to deal with. Also don't let people tell you that the H-sports will make the car continue to understeer because it replaces both front and rear instead of just the rear. The rear h-sport bar can be set to 120 or 150% increased stiffness while the front is set to 60% increased stiffness. So you do get more neutral handling plus the addition of greater roll control. Cheers! Mike

[Vanimaniac]

Originally posted by kwan
How much did you get the rears for Van? I was looking on pure ms' site they have the set for 373. Wondering if I should get it....

http://www.pure-motorsport.com/produ...87/CA=213/PA=7

I got em from Zev at avalonmotorsports for about that same price.

I don't know of anyone besides me who has the HSports with just the rears on. I like the way it handles though.

Van

[neoprufrok]

I have the S4 sway set from H sport for even mroe increased rear stiffness than the A4 sway set. I got it from pro-imports.com for 380 shipped or something like that.

[bugzy]

H-Sport ... www.purems.com has em ...

for those are in SoCal, PureMS would be easier to get

[kwan]

Originally posted by neoprufrok
I have the S4 sway set from H sport for even mroe increased rear stiffness than the A4 sway set. I got it from pro-imports.com for 380 shipped or something like that.

It'd be nice if David cut deals like that when I ask.

[G_A4]

do the h-sport sways require any welding? if not is it an easy install?

[CO AVANT]

No welding what so ever on the H-sports. I have the NS rear sway, two brakets are welded on for this kit, but the reason I got this over the H-sports is because I like the "piece of mind" of having the structural rigidity of welds.

Just a construction engineering mind thinking I guess...

[G_A4]

Originally posted by CO AVANT
No welding what so ever on the H-sports. I have the NS rear sway, two brakets are welded on for this kit, but the reason I got this over the H-sports is because I like the "piece of mind" of having the structural rigidity of welds.

Just a construction engineering mind thinking I guess...

the neuspeed sways are cheaper or more than the h-sports?

[AtlasAvant]

yea the neuspeed is cheaper than h-sports, but h-sports offers front and rear...

i m currently thinking about neuspeed too...
anyone want to convince me out of the neuspeed and for h-sports?

[G_A4]

Originally posted by AtlasAvant
yea the neuspeed is cheaper than h-sports, but h-sports offers front and rear...

i m currently thinking about neuspeed too...
anyone want to convince me out of the neuspeed and for h-sports?

so for the price thats listed on pure-m website, 300 plus dollars do you get the front and rear sways?

[bhvrdr]

correct.

[lcapoun]

I got a brand new neuspeed sway bar.... im about to upgrade to H-SPORT, because of the front and rear... but I believe neuspeed is good too, I dont doubt the sway bar.... but if someone wants to buy this from me..

$150 Neuspeed Rear Sway Bar.. Audi B6

[G_A4]

Originally posted by bhvrdr
correct.

is the install easy?

[bhvrdr]

install takes about .5 hour. It involves removing a couple bolts. If doing it on jack stands, it may take you an hour. cheers! mike

[G_A4]

Originally posted by bhvrdr
install takes about .5 hour. It involves removing a couple bolts. If doing it on jack stands, it may take you an hour. cheers! mike

thanks mike.

[e36341hp]

Originally posted by Saturnine
Ive seen the H bars in person, and they are just awesome. I know if i ever get sways, it'll prolly be H Sports

Yeah I am going to have to give my vote to H-sport---

The grease fittings they have allow you to re-lubricate the bushings without the headache.

[Power AE4]

Somebody has install is H-Sport sway bars on a Ultra Sport

[Saturnine]

The US are no different than "regular" B6 A4's. They're all the same.

Originally posted by Power AE4
Somebody has install is H-Sport sway bars on a Ultra Sport

[AtlasAvant]

but is it true that the welded reinforcement bracket will benefit from the subframe ripping apart that everyone is talking about before the h-sport has been introduced?

[Power AE4]

Originally posted by Saturnine
The US are no different than "regular" B6 A4's. They're all the same.

The suspension and the sway bar of the US are the same with the regular A4. I not sure about that. I think the rear sway bar on the Ultra sport are 19mm and the regular A4 16mm.

[neoprufrok]

Originally posted by Power AE4
The suspension and the sway bar of the US are the same with the regular A4. I not sure about that. I think the rear sway bar on the Ultra sport are 19mm and the regular A4 16mm.

They are the same. The suspension is no different than that of the sport.

Sport/US A4's have a stock 18mm sway bar.

[neoprufrok]

Originally posted by AtlasAvant
but is it true that the welded reinforcement bracket will benefit from the subframe ripping apart that everyone is talking about before the h-sport has been introduced?

Its sort of interesting hearing about all of this. I've not yet heard anyone have their subframe ripping apart due to the sway bars on a b6. So far, this has not been an issue at all.

Maybe someone can explain this to me, but where are the weld points on the Neuspeed bar? If its welded to the subframe, wouldn't it rip just the same? If the torsional or compressive or shear forces are enough (most likely torsional) than wouldn't the failure occur at the bolts? That's based on my own thoughts looking at the sway bars as I attempted to install the sway bars.

[Power AE4]

Originally posted by neoprufrok
They are the same. The suspension is no different than that of the sport.

Sport/US A4's have a stock 18mm sway bar.

So it will be a nice mod if I put H-Sport on my Avant

[Peter@VMRWheels]

The neuspeed bracket is a good 6 inches of welding on each side, and so the force is distributed evenly on the subframe, greatly reducing the chance of anything breaking. I just bought the neuspeed sway bar today, im going to have it installed very shortly.

I've seen stiff sway bars pop mounts off subframes before. It's not a pretty sight, and will require welding.

Just think about it, you can install the neuspeeds w/o the welding of brackets, but they included that part for a reason.

Neuspeed will probably lose the sales at the beginning, but wait about 1-2 years when the H sports are breaking brackets/subframes left and right, thats when neuspeed sales will start picking up. It's either that, or H sport will get bad rep and start including welding brackets w/ their bars.

[Peter@VMRWheels]

Oh and I saw the stock front sway bars... They are HUGE. So I saw no reason to get front/rear, esp when im trying to combat understeer.

[neoprufrok]

Originally posted by SupraRZ
The neuspeed bracket is a good 6 inches of welding on each side, and so the force is distributed evenly on the subframe, greatly reducing the chance of anything breaking. I just bought the neuspeed sway bar today, im going to have it installed very shortly.

I've seen stiff sway bars pop mounts off subframes before. It's not a pretty sight, and will require welding.

Just think about it, you can install the neuspeeds w/o the welding of brackets, but they included that part for a reason.

Neuspeed will probably lose the sales at the beginning, but wait about 1-2 years when the H sports are breaking brackets/subframes left and right, thats when neuspeed sales will start picking up. It's either that, or H sport will get bad rep and start including welding brackets w/ their bars.

I doubt that. H Sport does extensive research on the cars which they put the bars on. The stock S4 bar is larger than the stock A4 bar and is about the same diameter as the upgraded A4 bar, so why doesn't the S4 have beefed up welded bar that Neuspeed has?

I'm sure that Neuspeed has done their research also, but again, H sport has made supsension components for many, many applications and also does racing customized bars - they know their stuff. I doubt that they would release a bar that rips subframes apart.

Then again, I may be eating some serious crow if my subframe rips apart after a bunch of track time and autox-ing.

Just my 2 cents on the matter.

[AtlasAvant]

well its either neuspeed or h-sports for me now...
i like the reversible idea of h-sports, and i think i cant really take the neuspeed bar out after that? or it's hard to take it out...

and supra, they are saying, the front bar will not stiffen as much as the rear, so it might be still helpful with both..

i think i m keeping the car for another year, so the reversible idea is better? and i hope it wont rip my car apart during the year, heh

[Peter@VMRWheels]

I'm sure the H Sport bar won't break subframes any time soon. The car I saw with broken subframe (well I owned the car) was a '95 M3 w/ Dinan suspension upgrade.

neoprufrok, just like your argument, Dinan is a very large BMW tuner which contracts BMW dealerships to do their work. I'm sure they do their research as well, but the stiffer sway bars did break the subframe. That was after the sway bar being there for 25k miles. If they had the welded support I bet you it wouldn't break like that :)

But not to flame or criticize anyone for anything, I honestly do not care about "bracket arguments" but hey, both bars serve their purpose for stiffening up the suspension.

[Peter@VMRWheels]

Originally posted by AtlasAvant
and supra, they are saying, the front bar will not stiffen as much as the rear, so it might be still helpful with both..

i think i m keeping the car for another year, so the reversible idea is better? and i hope it wont rip my car apart during the year, heh

Yeah, from a marketing standpoint it's better to have both front and rear, but I think for A4's its not necessary because of the size of the stock sway bar.

But I still do prefer it if both companies advertise more technical information such as their "spring rates" versus stock, etc. Such as exhaust companies offering flow rates of their products... It'd better educate the consumer as opposed to buying products by brand name only. The word "BIG ASS SWAY BAR" doesn't cut it for me :)

[Vanimaniac]

Originally posted by Power AE4
So it will be a nice mod if I put H-Sport on my Avant

It has been an awesome mod for my avant.

Van

[Vanimaniac]

Originally posted by SupraRZ
The neuspeed bracket is a good 6 inches of welding on each side, and so the force is distributed evenly on the subframe, greatly reducing the chance of anything breaking. I just bought the neuspeed sway bar today, im going to have it installed very shortly.

I've seen stiff sway bars pop mounts off subframes before. It's not a pretty sight, and will require welding.

Just think about it, you can install the neuspeeds w/o the welding of brackets, but they included that part for a reason.

Neuspeed will probably lose the sales at the beginning, but wait about 1-2 years when the H sports are breaking brackets/subframes left and right, thats when neuspeed sales will start picking up. It's either that, or H sport will get bad rep and start including welding brackets w/ their bars.

I thought that subframe problems and sway bars were a B5 problem and that the B6 subframe is a bit better.

Van

[neoprufrok]

Originally posted by Vanimaniac
I thought that subframe problems and sway bars were a B5 problem and that the B6 subframe is a bit better.

Van

So far this has been the case, but you never know!

[bugzy]

Originally posted by e36341hp
Yeah I am going to have to give my vote to H-sport---

The grease fittings they have allow you to re-lubricate the bushings without the headache.

yes the bushings are worth the $$