Looks like MTM K04 Stg3 Kit produces 76hp/86tq over stock on 94 octane!

[neoprufrok]

As posted by Jet Jockey on AW. Great news. However, of note, he was on 94 octane. It goes to show you that a K04 with proper hardware/software can really put out some nice numbers.

Congrats to Jet Jockey!

[Crazy Quattro]

How much is that kit?

[initiala4]

6500 i think

[sweettalker]

funk that....with 6500 i would no doubt go for gt28rs with revo programming AND a vacation to vegas to blow some more money...and on the way back pick up a new clutch and still have enough to pay for installation..

[kwan]

Originally posted by sweettalker
funk that....with 6500 i would no doubt go for gt28rs with revo programming AND a vacation to vegas to blow some more money...and on the way back pick up a new clutch and still have enough to pay for installation..

you're missing the "bag of chips"

[Villains]

Damn for $6500 I could do so much more then a K04 upgrade! It is ridicules that some tuners think that their stuff for some reason should go for a premium just because of their name. MTM needs to get a clue; $6500 for a K04?!?! Get real! My E05 kit makes 215 WHP on a Quattro and cost $1995! And has no problems what-so-ever!

[EVIL-AUDI]

Majorly not worth it.

[Saturnine]

Each is to their own

That is awesome news thou..

[foofighter]

u think MTM is expensive try contacting Sportec for their equivalent...bet you it's more.

[Saturnine]

But the Sportec stuff doesnt use a Ko4 in their kits, do they? I thought they used a K26 or something crazy like that?

[Villains]

I think they are both over priced.

John, I bet you make just as much power with your K04 and 94 octane and a good tune.

[foofighter]

they have the krazy k026 but they also have the k04 but from what i've read they send out some swiss engineer and he custom tunes your ride.

[Saturnine]

That would be nice..

Boy would i love to get my hands on that Dalhback software..

[foofighter]

yah it would be nice to have Hans or whatever work your car over i've heard good things w/ some S4 guys that have their cars custom tuned by sportec.

[Saturnine]

Damn. Those guys must be ballers

[neoprufrok]

Originally posted by sweettalker
funk that....with 6500 i would no doubt go for gt28rs with revo programming AND a vacation to vegas to blow some more money...and on the way back pick up a new clutch and still have enough to pay for installation..

I can see where you're coming from, but how many K04 kits you know can promise a hp/tq increase like that and reliably on a dyno?

[neoprufrok]

Originally posted by Villains
Damn for $6500 I could do so much more then a K04 upgrade! It is ridicules that some tuners think that their stuff for some reason should go for a premium just because of their name. MTM needs to get a clue; $6500 for a K04?!?! Get real! My E05 kit makes 215 WHP on a Quattro and cost $1995! And has no problems what-so-ever!

Derrick,

I think that it is highly priced. What's included with that kit?

Software
Injectors
K04
Custom Cat/Downpipe with cat relocated
Exhaust

In part, the prices reflect the current exchange rate of the Euro, but it also reflects the history of MTM making programming (for 93 and up octane) that is reliable and of the "set it and forget it nature."

For those with time to take a big turbo kit to the dyno (or even to someone like David) and tune the software to work on a big turbo kit, MTM is not the way to go. Like you said, there are other more financially beneficial options than MTM.

[Saturnine]

Yeah that exhaust/cat combo is like 3-4k by its self..

[neoprufrok]

I guess it would help if I actually posted the AW thread that Jet Jockey posted on.

Jet Jockey's thread on AW

[neoprufrok]

Originally posted by Saturnine
Yeah that exhaust/cat combo is like 3-4k by its self..

Yeah, Hoppen has said that he could work with someone who already has an exhaust. So take off the 2k for the exhaust and you're paying 4500 for the kit about.

[Villains]

Originally posted by neoprufrok
Derrick,

I think that it is highly priced. What's included with that kit?

Software
Injectors
K04
Custom Cat/Downpipe with cat relocated
Exhaust

In part, the prices reflect the current exchange rate of the Euro, but it also reflects the history of MTM making programming (for 93 and up octane) that is reliable and of the "set it and forget it nature."

For those with time to take a big turbo kit to the dyno (or even to someone like David) and tune the software to work on a big turbo kit, MTM is not the way to go. Like you said, there are other more financially beneficial options than MTM.

Rich,

For $1995 you get the E05, TT225 injectors, REVO software, and spark plugs. For an additional $199 you can get a test pipe. For another $795 you can get a FMIC, bringing your total to $2989. Add a good clutch (about $400) and that brings you to $3389 lets say $3500 just to be practical. Now you have a car that will put down over 215 WHP and can make great launches and can handle some track time. Add another $1995 for a set of Stoptech brakes and your total is ~$5500 and you car will smoke the MTM car on the drag strip, road course, or the street and you have saved over $1000 you can put either toward the install or a nice weekend getaway or even a great exhaust to finish that package up nicely. I just think this would be a better way to go instead of having an MTM K04 kit. Just my opinion though, I guess some people prefer the name over actual performance.

Derrick

[audidood]

i'd just get a giac chip and a project resto car. and a cup of coffee.

[neoprufrok]

Originally posted by Villains
Rich,

For $1995 you get the E05, TT225 injectors, REVO software, and spark plugs. For an additional $199 you can get a test pipe. For another $795 you can get a FMIC, bringing your total to $2989. Add a good clutch (about $400) and that brings you to $3389 lets say $3500 just to be practical. Now you have a car that will put down over 215 WHP and can make great launches and can handle some track time. Add another $1995 for a set of Stoptech brakes and your total is ~$5500 and you car will smoke the MTM car on the drag strip, road course, or the street and you have saved over $1000 you can put either toward the install or a nice weekend getaway or even a great exhaust to finish that package up nicely. I just think this would be a better way to go instead of having an MTM K04 kit. Just my opinion though, I guess some people prefer the name over actual performance.

Derrick

Derrick,

I agree that there are more affordable options out there. I myself am looking at them as the money that MTM is asking is high. Add to that the fact that I don't get along with the one MTM dealer here in the Bay, I essentially have a tough time convincing myself to go the MTM route.

That said, I can understand why a few of the B6 A4 owners I respect went the MTM route. Its hard to deny MTM's experience in tuning Audi's and also hard to put a price on the extensive testing they do to get TUV approval and also to ensure reliability. The guys that have gone MTM, Jet Jockey and BHRVDR (from AW) are both very knowledgeable and both are into performance, as they track their cars extensively on both the autocross and large track circuits. I don't hold it against them that they choose MTM.

The issue I also am concerned about is that MTM has not proven that they can tune for 91 octane as Revo has. I hope they address this, because every tuner outside of Revo has had problems with 91 octane.

I'm just happy to see another bigger turbo kit out for the B6 A4 that seems to work. There needs to be more and I'd like to see other tuners step up so that as consumers, we can have our choices.

[Saturnine]

Best idea ive heard so far

Originally posted by audidood
i'd just get a giac chip and a project resto car. and a cup of coffee.

[Villains]

Rich,

I am with you on having more choices! That is definitely needed and wanted by the owners. I just wish the choices that are coming would be more reasonably priced. I know my E05 doesn't have TUV approval, but I guess time will tell if TUV approval would make any difference. If my E05 lasts 2 years, I'll be happy. Don't plan on owning my car longer then that. That is why I am not too concerned about very long term reliability and to be honest if you mod your car for more power you will never have the best reliability. Some cars aren't that reliable right from the factory, let alone after you mod them for more power.

Derrick

[neoprufrok]

Originally posted by Villains
Rich,

I am with you on having more choices! That is definitely needed and wanted by the owners. I just wish the choices that are coming would be more reasonably priced. I know my E05 doesn't have TUV approval, but I guess time will tell if TUV approval would make any difference. If my E05 lasts 2 years, I'll be happy. Don't plan on owning my car longer then that. That is why I am not too concerned about very long term reliability and to be honest if you mod your car for more power you will never have the best reliability. Some cars aren't that reliable right from the factory, let alone after you mod them for more power.

Derrick

Yeah, pushing beyond what the E05 is giving you and what the MTM kit can give seems kind of harsh on the engine. Who knows though. Dahlback has said that they start considering new engine internals at 320hp plus. Running that everyday would be fun, but it sounds like a bunch of headaches. I hope that the e05 kit proves reliable for a daily driver! I definitely am looking for a kit that would be reliable everyday.

I've told Hoppen many times that the MTM kits are just a little too much given the competition out there. He told me that there are a few issues that contribute to this. For one, MTM focuses on teh Euro market, which has similarly priced products (although Revo is changing that too) and as such doesn't feel the need to compete in the NA market as much. Second, the euro exchange rate.

Either way, MTM is out of reach for most of us I hope that MTM realizes that the NA market needs to be priced differently than the Euro market. Oh well.

[Jet Jockey]

Hey, You stole my glory. Oh what the Hell, you snooze, you loose.

One or a few comments for Derrick or Mr. Villains.

It looks like you only have 10 Hp on me, big deal.

The test runs were done at about 85 F in high humidity so the numbers could be higher.

The final tweeks of the Stage 3 are not done yet.

You better get up real early in the morning to beat this car on an autocross course or a road course. 1/4 mile runs to me are not important.

I too have great stopping power, BBK with racing pads.

One of a kind suspension, PSS 9 (modified) fully adjustable front suspension with concentric spherical bearings and the rear suspension getting modded as we speaks with the same elements.

I don't think your whimpy little 10 Hp extra will stand a chance on the track. I will be doing the smoking.

And finally, to each his own.

I don't understand why you have to be so negative about MTM and their products just because of the price.

The way you think, you should have bought an Honda because they too offer a lot more performance for the money when compared to any Audi, VW or any other German car.

That's all.

[David@EuroCode]

Originally posted by Jet Jockey
Hey, You stole my glory. Oh what the Hell, you snooze, you loose.

One or a few comments for Derrick or Mr. Villains.

It looks like you only have 10 Hp on me, big deal.

I don't think your whimpy little 10 Hp extra will stand a chance on the track. I will be doing the smoking.

That's all.

Great Numbers finally some good news for MTM you wouldn't happen to have any dyno sheets to share I would really be interested to see the power delivery on such a kit. What type of dyno was used to obtain those numbers also were you using your intercooler sprayer?

Our complete kit including the FMIC and a complete turbo back system costs $3670.00 not that you don't have a fantastic product or a great price just sharing our price point.

Here is our dyno from Villans car with 80+ degrees ambient temps & on 91 Craptane gas I believe that you were running 94 which helps quite a bit.

[Villains]

I don't know why everything needs to be a fight on this forum. Your car is great. I hope you really enjoy it. My point was that for $6500 it better be good. And for $6500 your car will not smoke mine because your brakes, suspension, and the other stuff was not included in that price. If all other things were equal, then yes my $1995 kit with its lousy 10 HP would beat you. But I am not trying to start a fight only point out the dollar to horsepower ratio of your kit. Either way, I hope you are happy with your kit and think you will really enjoy it. Have lots of fun and I hope that your car gets even better (I know this forum does not reflect emotion so I want you to know that I am NOT being sarcastic).

If you don't understand why I am negative about MTM and their prices, you have way more money to spend on cars then I do.

By the way, my 10 HP was on 91 octane, if I had 94 octane I would make a little more. Plus, I didn't have nearly the hassle you had with my kit. I never had to call Germany or ask if I could drive/race my car.

And I didn't buy my Audi for bang to buck ratio, if that is what I wanted from my car I would have bought a Mustang. It is however, what I want in a turbo kit, hence not liking the MTM K04 kit.

Derrick

[Quattrophile]

Nooo...My car is FASTER.......

UNuh UHHHH...MY car is FASTER!!! and costs less.


SO WHAT...My DADDY"s car is faster than yours!

Oh yea......well...my MOMS car is faster than your DADDY's!!!

[bbaudi382]

derrick i thought your car only made 220 hp on the superreliable maha?!?

im confused...

[Villains]

Originally posted by Quattrophile
Nooo...My car is FASTER.......

UNuh UHHHH...MY car is FASTER!!! and costs less.


SO WHAT...My DADDY"s car is faster than yours!

Oh yea......well...my MOMS car is faster than your DADDY's!!!

Look if you can't be involved in a valid conversation then don't post. We are trying to have a discussion here. No one is fighting and no one is calling each other names. If you can't do the same then don't post. It is people like you that make these posts into crap. Stay off unless you have something useful to say.

[Villains]

Originally posted by bbaudi382
derrick i thought your car only made 220 hp on the superreliable maha?!?

im confused...

Apples to apples. It made 220 on the MAHA but on a dynojet, which most of the tuners use for their claims, it made 215 at the wheels.

[bbaudi382]

ahh...jetjockey what kind of dyno did you use?

[neoprufrok]

As for the dyno numbers, what matters is that there is a comparison to stock baseline. IN Jet's case, he had already dyno'd his care on that same dyno when it was stock. The 76/86 hp/tq increase is at the wheels when compared with his stock run. At the crank, this number would be higher.

I believe that Derrick also had a MAHA dyno run in which another car was run stock. I forget. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[Villains]

Originally posted by neoprufrok
As for the dyno numbers, what matters is that there is a comparison to stock baseline. IN Jet's case, he had already dyno'd his care on that same dyno when it was stock. The 76/86 hp/tq increase is at the wheels when compared with his stock run. At the crank, this number would be higher.

I believe that Derrick also had a MAHA dyno run in which another car was run stock. I forget. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Rich, it was a stock car (STi) on the dynojet. That was how I got the correction.

[Quattrophile]

Originally posted by Villains
Look if you can't be involved in a valid conversation then don't post. We are trying to have a discussion here. No one is fighting and no one is calling each other names. If you can't do the same then don't post. It is people like you that make these posts into crap. Stay off unless you have something useful to say.

Look here Derrick......no need to get your panties in a bunch man. Im just goofing off. Ive noticed that ALL the threads that have something to do with TURBO upgrades get outta hand cuz of you!. I suggest you chill my botha. Nothin's worth all this drama and arguments. If someone wants to get a turbo kit for $10K and get 25 more horses for it...then more power to him....who cares if you have spent less and get more power.....OH WELL....it aint your problem.

[neoprufrok]

Originally posted by Jet Jockey
Hey, You stole my glory. Oh what the Hell, you snooze, you loose.

One or a few comments for Derrick or Mr. Villains.

It looks like you only have 10 Hp on me, big deal.

The test runs were done at about 85 F in high humidity so the numbers could be higher.

The final tweeks of the Stage 3 are not done yet.

You better get up real early in the morning to beat this car on an autocross course or a road course. 1/4 mile runs to me are not important.

I too have great stopping power, BBK with racing pads.

One of a kind suspension, PSS 9 (modified) fully adjustable front suspension with concentric spherical bearings and the rear suspension getting modded as we speaks with the same elements.

I don't think your whimpy little 10 Hp extra will stand a chance on the track. I will be doing the smoking.

And finally, to each his own.

I don't understand why you have to be so negative about MTM and their products just because of the price.

The way you think, you should have bought an Honda because they too offer a lot more performance for the money when compared to any Audi, VW or any other German car.

That's all.

Thanks Jet for posting. I just got excited when I read your post last night and wanted to share the news about a new turbo kit being available and putting down the advertised power. I was hoping that you'd be able to come over here and tell us about the kit.

I don't think that Derrick was bashing you in particular. I think he was raising concern about the cost of the kit in comparison to what's out there. Especially given the 91 octane that we run out here in California.

No hard feelings... lets keep the debate amicable.

[Quattrophile]

To lighten things up in here...heres a pic of my wife!!!

[Villains]

Originally posted by Quattrophile
Look here Derrick......no need to get your panties in a bunch man. Im just goofing off. Ive noticed that ALL the threads that have something to do with TURBO upgrades get outta hand cuz of you!. I suggest you chill my botha. Nothin's worth all this drama and arguments. If someone wants to get a turbo kit for $10K and get 25 more horses for it...then more power to him....who cares if you have spent less and get more power.....OH WELL....it aint your problem.

I am trying to chill but people like you come on and "goof around" and turn real posts into a stupid fight. If you don't like these things to get out of hand, why post the stuff you do? That only heats up the arguments.

But in the sperate of keeping things light, here are two pics of my wifey: