Which chip should I get?

[invisman777]

Hi all members,
I have a question, I just bought a 2004 A4 1.8t Quattro Tip, and I am looking for the best chip out there that can match up to my later mod E05 Turbo upgrade. I mean i will do the E05 turbo later but not now, and I still want to have a chip to unleash all the power that i got from my existing turbo. Which one should I choose from? Giac? Neuspeed? APR? or others?? Let me know which one is good and how much and where I can get it install? I live in the Bay Area, CA.
thanks all

[astris]

If you are going to upgrade to an EO5 later, definitely go with REVO when it comes out for the 04's. You will get a discount from Eurocode on the purchase of an EO5 kit if you already have REVO installed.

[zemun2]

Originally posted by astris
If you are going to upgrade to an EO5 later, definitely go with REVO when it comes out for the 04's. You will get a discount from Eurocode on the purchase of an EO5 kit if you already have REVO installed.

I think that if you have REVO chip and purchase E05 they dont charge you for software again.
Derrick, correct me if I'm wrong.

[invisman777]

How much and where I can get it install?

[astris]

I don't about dealers in your area, but Eurocode tuning sells it. I think it is about $500. The 2004 software isn't out yet, but it should be out really soon. You can always send you ecu to Eurocode and have them flash it. I believe they have a special that if you have to send them your ecu, then you get a free Forge DV.

[zemun2]

Originally posted by invisman777
How much and where I can get it install?

REVO site is currently down but there is one place in Milpitas that can do it.
check REVO when they get it up and running and look for dealer locations.

D,

[zemun2]

I think we (bay area folks) should organize something and bring David to custom tune all our cars.
Guy is genius when it comes to tunning.

[invisman777]

how about if I did send my ECU to Ecode and will they send me a different ECU that's not mine. Also, are they really giving those Forge 007 DV for Free?? but why? Does anyone send a ECU to them and they send you back the ECU along w/ Forge 007 DV?? Anyone?

[J. Moss]

http://dynospotracing.com/contact.htm is a GIAC dealer and they are located in San Jose. Been in business close to 10 years.

The 04 software is out from GIAC.

Jeff

[G_A4]

i got my car flashloaded with GIAC at dynospot. takes about 45 minutes and those guys are really nice guys.
if your going for the E05 though, you need to go REVO because of its compatibility to the E05 turbo.
i've actually decided to go with the E05 turbo so i will be driving to L.A. get tuned by david at eurocode.

[astris]

Originally posted by invisman777
how about if I did send my ECU to Ecode and will they send me a different ECU that's not mine. Also, are they really giving those Forge 007 DV for Free?? but why? Does anyone send a ECU to them and they send you back the ECU along w/ Forge 007 DV?? Anyone?

They will send back your original ecu. And yes, the Forge DV is free. The reason they give it away for free is because of the inconvience of having to send them your ecu. If you live in the Socal area you don't get a DV, but them come to your house and install it.

Click on the Ecode link I posted in the previous in my previous post. Then click on the Revo logo.

[Apokolyptic]

I just got a GIAC chip for my car. I'm happy with the results. It pulls a lot harder.

[J. Moss]

Originally posted by G_A4
i got my car flashloaded with GIAC at dynospot. takes about 45 minutes and those guys are really nice guys.
if your going for the E05 though, you need to go REVO because of its compatibility to the E05 turbo.
i've actually decided to go with the E05 turbo so i will be driving to L.A. get tuned by david at eurocode.

GIAC is working on turbo upgrade/injector upgrade software also.

Keep in touch with your local dealer. There should be a lot of movement in the next few weeks.

Jeff

[Villains]

If you are going to go with an E05, don't waste your money on any chip that isn't REVO. You do get a discount if you already have a REVO chip so you don't loose any money when you upgrade the turbo. GIAC is a good chip, but not worth it if you know you are going to upgrade your turbo. GIAC doesn't have an E05 tune, I know because Dr. Lim called me himself and we talked about tunes.

[A4NCAR]

Originally posted by invisman777
2004 A4 1.8t Quattro Tip,

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't you limited with power (torque) upgrades due to the "Tiptronic" tranny?

[G_A4]

exactly. if you are set with the E05 turbo then stick with the REVO software. again because of its compatibility with the turbo upgrade. i wish i knew this before getting chipped with GIAC, could've saved me some money. oh well live and learn.

[Villains]

Originally posted by G_A4
exactly. if you are set with the E05 turbo then stick with the REVO software. again because of its compatibility with the turbo upgrade. i wish i knew this before getting chipped with GIAC, could've saved me some money. oh well live and learn.

If you have a GIAC chip and not just flashed, sell the chip. I sold my APR chip when I upgraded.

[G_A4]

Originally posted by Villains
If you have a GIAC chip and not just flashed, sell the chip. I sold my APR chip when I upgraded.

i got flashedloaded... sucks i know but what else can i do?
i know the E05 turbo upgrade with REVO will do me right. i'm thinking with that loss i have something to gain... being a sperb software and a bigger turbo to go with it.

[Villains]

Originally posted by G_A4
i got flashedloaded... sucks i know but what else can i do?
i know the E05 turbo upgrade with REVO will do me right. i'm thinking with that loss i have something to gain... being a sperb software and a bigger turbo to go with it.

Sometimes you take a loss. As they say; you gotta pay to play. I took a big loss when I sold my T28 so I know where you are coming from.

[G_A4]

Originally posted by Villains
Sometimes you take a loss. As they say; you gotta pay to play. I took a big loss when I sold my T28 so I know where you are coming from.

i'm looking on the brighter side of this. E05, REVO and all the other goodies from eurocode. man it's not to bad. thats why you play the game. right.

[J. Moss]

Originally posted by Villains
If you are going to go with an E05, don't waste your money on any chip that isn't REVO. You do get a discount if you already have a REVO chip so you don't loose any money when you upgrade the turbo. GIAC is a good chip, but not worth it if you know you are going to upgrade your turbo. GIAC doesn't have an E05 tune, I know because Dr. Lim called me himself and we talked about tunes.

Hi Villains,

The E05/K04 platform will be supported along with an injector upgrade.
It will be worked on a few weeks after waterfest.

For those that already have a GIAC file there will be an upgrade path. Ask your local dealer in the next 30-60 days.

Jeff

[zemun2]

Originally posted by J. Moss
Hi Villains,

The E05/K04 platform will be supported along with an injector upgrade.
It will be worked on a few weeks after waterfest.

For those that already have a GIAC file there will be an upgrade path. Ask your local dealer in the next 30-60 days.

Jeff

Whats the point of getting the GIAC software when E05 comes with REVO.

[Villains]

Originally posted by J. Moss
Hi Villains,

The E05/K04 platform will be supported along with an injector upgrade.
It will be worked on a few weeks after waterfest.

For those that already have a GIAC file there will be an upgrade path. Ask your local dealer in the next 30-60 days.

Jeff

Hey Jeff,

Garrett talked to me about using my car to develop the E05 stuff. He might get a tune for it, but EuroCode already has a full kit, that is tested. I am not saying that GIAC is bad, but if you don't want to wait or be the first to try their setup, EuroCode has a kit that is ready to go and makes power; you were there to witness that yourself.


Derrick

Plus, I don't think the GIAC kit will cost under 2 grand like the EuroCode kit.

[J. Moss]

Originally posted by zemun2
Whats the point of getting the GIAC software when E05 comes with REVO.

You can buy an E05 from many sources. The software is just part of whatever package you choose.

[G_A4]

the scary part is that didn't GIAC and pes try to put out the T-28.
for those that bought the kit thinking that the sofware was compatible, well it didn't really work out. case and point. the E05 tuned by david with the REVO software is proven and i've seen first hand stats on the kit and how its doing. thats a good platform to make a decision on purchase. and for the price. its the deal of the century.

[zemun2]

Originally posted by J. Moss
You can buy an E05 from many sources. The software is just part of whatever package you choose.

Do you have any links to who just sells turbo by it self
TIA.

[Imperial]

Eurospecsport.com

Originally posted by zemun2
Do you have any links to who just sells turbo by it self
TIA.

[Jeff]

Originally posted by zemun2
Do you have any links to who just sells turbo by it self
TIA.

If I'm correct, the E05 is standard K04 cartridge on a K03 Sport/K04-15 housing, with a bigger K04 wheel (from K04-23 perhaps?) on the cold side, personally I do not know what "E05" was coined from, same with the SK04 other than "Super K04". (someone correct me if im wrong). All these so called "kits" on the market are all made up with different components from different vendors (ie: modified K04 aka "E05" with custom-tuned REVO software, injectors, and piping = Eurocode "kit"). Some tuners and vendors make their own "flavor" of the K04 (bigger impellor blades, compressor housing boring, etc). But they are still KKK turbos (unless you are talking about the T28).

There is a company out in TX called Majestic Turbo, that specializes in KKK turbos. They will add, tweek, or modify any KKK trim to any turbo you want (assuming you have the software to TUNE the SOB). This is the route I am planning on taking in the near future, all I will need is the software which Garrett should be working on. If you ever worked on or rebuilt turbos in the past, you will notice how fun (and EASY) it really is--like Legos :) I replaced my blown Toyota/IHI CT-12 turbos (twisted the shafts) on my Supra with a set of "100k worn out" turbos I bought used for $100, which cost me $70 in parts, and then had the exhaust manifolds bead-blasted and cleaned. Then TurboCity in Orange, CA was kind enough to balance them for me. The babies worked FLAWLESSLY putting down ~420rwhp.

Many people often have doubts or have heard horror stories about "rebuilding" worn turbos. In all out reality, rebuilding turbos simply involve replacing the carbon and oil seals (rebuild kit looks like a $40 box of rubber bands and gaskets). As long as there's no physical damage on the shaft and blades, any rebuilt turbo should be good as new. Im sure the same applies to KKK turbos.

Here are some pics:



Keep in mind these were originally 100k+ blown turbos. And if you've seen the color on the rusted and torn up exhaust housings, you'd swear these turbos were new. :)


-Jeff

[J. Moss]

Originally posted by Villains
Hey Jeff,

Garrett talked to me about using my car to develop the E05 stuff. He might get a tune for it, but EuroCode already has a full kit, that is tested. I am not saying that GIAC is bad, but if you don't want to wait or be the first to try their setup, EuroCode has a kit that is ready to go and makes power; you were there to witness that yourself.


Derrick

Plus, I don't think the GIAC kit will cost under 2 grand like the EuroCode kit.

Yea Derrick, your car made really good power!

Just no reason for anyone to think that is the only option. We will see how the project firms up and keep everyone apprised.

[Jeff]

Originally posted by J. Moss
Yea Derrick, your car made really good power!

Just no reason for anyone to think that is the only option. We will see how the project firms up and keep everyone apprised.

Damn Moss...it's 3am... dont you have chips to burn?

-Jeff Lee

[Villains]

Originally posted by J. Moss
Yea Derrick, your car made really good power!

Just no reason for anyone to think that is the only option. We will see how the project firms up and keep everyone apprised.

You are right Jeff; it is not the only option. It is the only proven one though, because like I said above, Garrett doesn't even have the software yet, let alone a proven and tested kit. Plus he will never match the price. That GIAC names comes with a price.

[invisman777]

so how much I have to pay the Ecodetuning for REVO? $499? is there any tax? Do i need to buy the Serial port switch? and what's that for?