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    Ted's Dyno Plots, Dynojet Dyno, Denver, CO. e85 content

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    Ted's 2004 A4 1.8t, k04, GIAC:
    pulls done on an unaltered GIAC FX K04 Race file. No lemmi or otherwise.


    93 deg. F temps at the time of the pulls.
    100 oct. blend of e85 and 91 oct. pump gas
    a few notes...i logged data and will share bits of it with people who want it...but

    -requested Lambda is spot-on requested for fueling
    -timing correction nearly 0 0 0 0 through the rev band. cyl 3 pulled 2-3 deg timing mid-range. im thinking that may be a CP ready to go out...no other pull across the board.
    -EGT at 840 and below
    -knock in the low 20s across 1,3, and 4. higher in 2, which is of course the loudest cyl.

    im sharing this info fo the people who think my car will lean out, or that it will blow up, or otherwise. to be honest...you are lucky to see logs this good on a stock car. the ECU is as happy as can be....and in that light here are the results...

    red line and blue line are the newest pulls, the green line was my best FX K04 pump gas pull on 93 oct, 75 deg. F.

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    Re: Ted's Dyno Plots, Dynojet Dyno, Denver, CO. e85 content

    thats awesome, how bad is knock in the low 20s? knock scares me
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    Re: Ted's Dyno Plots, Dynojet Dyno, Denver, CO. e85 content

    Quote Originally Posted by AudiA4_18T View Post
    thats awesome, how bad is knock in the low 20s? knock scares me
    perfectly fine.
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    Re: Ted's Dyno Plots, Dynojet Dyno, Denver, CO. e85 content

    YES! sitting in teds car ripping down the street doing logs was fun, especially trying to scream out lambda and timing in redline. if we get a chance this week, i wanna do some logging in my car to see how itll do on the fXK03 file. i think after we did the calculation, i was running about a 25% mixture? either way, it netted me some extra torque from the get go @ the track for that 1.8 60'!
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    Re: Ted's Dyno Plots, Dynojet Dyno, Denver, CO. e85 content

    Lambda 1 IS Lambda 1!

    Great numbers, Ted.
    That is all I do....

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    Re: Ted's Dyno Plots, Dynojet Dyno, Denver, CO. e85 content

    Quote Originally Posted by DenverNoob View Post
    -EGT at 840 and below
    You mean 940'C ?
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    Re: Ted's Dyno Plots, Dynojet Dyno, Denver, CO. e85 content

    Quote Originally Posted by Elberoth View Post
    You mean 940'C ?
    Nope! 840
    That is all I do....

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    Re: Ted's Dyno Plots, Dynojet Dyno, Denver, CO. e85 content

    Quote Originally Posted by Elberoth View Post
    You mean 940'C ?
    840. suuuuuuuuuper low.
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    Re: Ted's Dyno Plots, Dynojet Dyno, Denver, CO. e85 content

    Quote Originally Posted by Randy@Autobahn View Post
    Nope! 840
    Do a full 4-th gear run then and your EGTs will climb rapidly.
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    Re: Ted's Dyno Plots, Dynojet Dyno, Denver, CO. e85 content

    Quote Originally Posted by Elberoth View Post
    Do a full 4-th gear run then and your EGTs will climb rapidly.
    maybe on the dyno. on the street, pull after pull after pull after pull...back to back...it never cracked 820....even on higher 91 oct blends it never got above 850.
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    Re: Ted's Dyno Plots, Dynojet Dyno, Denver, CO. e85 content

    Quote Originally Posted by DenverNoob View Post
    maybe on the dyno. on the street, pull after pull after pull after pull...back to back...it never cracked 820....even on higher 91 oct blends it never got above 850.
    Then you must be running super-rich.

    I'm running 11.5 AFR at redline, which translates to 930'C EGT max (measured during a single 3-4-5 gear WOT run).
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    Re: Ted's Dyno Plots, Dynojet Dyno, Denver, CO. e85 content

    Quote Originally Posted by Elberoth View Post
    Then you must be running super-rich.

    I'm running 11.5 AFR at redline, which translates to 930'C EGT max (measured during a single 3-4-5 gear WOT run).
    AFR has absolutely no meaning when dealing in E85.

    my lambda is .812 at redline, as requested by the ECU.

    is the car running rich? absolutely not. is it consuming a lot more fuel, absolutely. E85 has less energy per unit that gasoline, hance on a wideband ECU, the ECU will target a lambda value that it likes, and add fuel (in this case) unitl it gets there.

    do NOT let people tell you that in this case AFR is important, because from the wideband lambda sensor our cars use, it would be virtually impossible to calculate the actual AFR based on an e85 and gas blend...since each would be calculated completely differently.

    all that is important is that the car hits its requested lambda. LAMBDA 1 is LAMBDA 1. NOTHING else in this case is important.
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    Re: Ted's Dyno Plots, Dynojet Dyno, Denver, CO. e85 content

    Hmmm ... If you say so. Never heard of E85. I assumed that this is a regular race fuel.
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    Re: Ted's Dyno Plots, Dynojet Dyno, Denver, CO. e85 content

    BTW - could you pls post or send your Block 115 or 118 logs ?

    I was posted a comparo garph of diff software

    http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=111488

    and the GIAC data is the only one I did not have.
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    Re: Ted's Dyno Plots, Dynojet Dyno, Denver, CO. e85 content

    Quote Originally Posted by Elberoth View Post
    Hmmm ... If you say so. Never heard of E85. I assumed that this is a regular race fuel.

    E85 is the ethanol based fuel (85% ethanol, 15% gas) that "flex fuel" vehicles can run on. it is produced here in this country using corn. my exhaust smells like a deep fryer at WOT...lol.

    E85 is 105 octane fuel. i could care less that it is a clean burning fuel...i just like the fact that i can run the race file reliably on race quality fuel that costs $2.32 p/gal!

    there are of course issues like fueling and otherwise, but a properly built and tuned system could easilly run 100% e85, and that is what im shooting for in the long haul. there is quite a bit of power still to be made on this blend the way the car is running...forget 100% e85!

    AFR-wise...ill abbreviate an explanation for you...you can research these things fairly easilly.

    our cars run a wideband 02 sensor. this measures a value commonly refered to as Lambda...and this value is a measure of residual oxygen in the exhaust. we, via equations, have converted lambda to an AFR value so we can log our cars and understand the readings as easilly as we would an AFR reading on a dyno...but this calculation requires you are running GAS. e85 has a completely different equation to convert to an "afr". mixing makes this calcualtion virtually impossible reliably.

    what is important is that the ECU is getting its requested lambda. my targeted stoich lambda at redline is .821, and the car is making .821 labda. less or more, id be running rich or lean acording to the ecu.

    the fueling issue is the consumption of e85, because more fuel is required to make the same energy. since the ecu wants a lambda value, not a set AFR as a target, it will, by default, increase fueling to get to the target all on its own. where this becomes a problem is if you run out of injector to provide the fuel necessary. in that case, you would really lean out the motor because the fuel system could not provide what the ECU requested. that, of course, would be a big problem! as well all know...increasing an injector size often requires new programming since the injector times are different. that is the complication i am working on. but i found where my injectors can no longer provide additional fueling safely...

    keep in mind this has taken a few weeks and extensive logging...i mean LOTS of logging to ensure safety...and i can only say im safe here at this elevation...the balance would most certainlyt be different elsewhere.

    a narrow band sensor senses AFR directly.
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    Re: Ted's Dyno Plots, Dynojet Dyno, Denver, CO. e85 content

    Quote Originally Posted by Elberoth View Post
    Hmmm ... If you say so. Never heard of E85. I assumed that this is a regular race fuel.
    E85 is not a race fuel, even thought it does have a higher octane than gasoline. It is an E-fuel made from distilled cellulose, mostly corn in this country. The only down fall is that E85 per molecule of fuel has less energy than traditional fuel. Therefore when you are running strait E85 it needs to be run at a high fuel pressure and may require larger fuel injectors.
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    Re: Ted's Dyno Plots, Dynojet Dyno, Denver, CO. e85 content

    Quote Originally Posted by Elberoth View Post
    BTW - could you pls post or send your Block 115 or 118 logs ?

    I was posted a comparo garph of diff software

    http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=111488

    and the GIAC data is the only one I did not have.
    i can see if i can dig some pump logs up. i dont have ll of those, but i can get them on this mix...otherwise it will be some time until im baclk on straight gas again. let me look and see what i have and ill PM you.
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    Re: Ted's Dyno Plots, Dynojet Dyno, Denver, CO. e85 content

    Beat me to it!
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    Re: Ted's Dyno Plots, Dynojet Dyno, Denver, CO. e85 content

    yo so I assume your getting way worse gas milage then?
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    Re: Ted's Dyno Plots, Dynojet Dyno, Denver, CO. e85 content

    Quote Originally Posted by AudiA4_18T View Post
    yo so I assume your getting way worse gas milage then?
    Yeah, You might get a little less mileage per tank, but it is much cheaper than gasoline.
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    Re: Ted's Dyno Plots, Dynojet Dyno, Denver, CO. e85 content

    hmmm true and its like race gas wooooo.... Ted you said you were on the GIAC race file with it?
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    Re: Ted's Dyno Plots, Dynojet Dyno, Denver, CO. e85 content

    The EGT's will always be much lower on Ethanol. That torque spike must feel like shit though.

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    Re: Ted's Dyno Plots, Dynojet Dyno, Denver, CO. e85 content

    Quote Originally Posted by Duchenbagen View Post
    Yeah, You might get a little less mileage per tank, but it is much cheaper than gasoline.
    How is it cheaper if you have to use twice as much vs gasoline?


    Here this is on a site that talks about E85 fuel.


    The real cost of E85, however, comes when you leave the station. Inefficient at a tune of about three or more miles per gallon, it costs more to get down the road, causing drivers to fill up more often – and pay virtually the same to do so. When you factor in its fuel economy – or lack thereof – the price of E85 would have to be around 20 percent less than regular gasoline in order to break even cost-wise.

    and

    Is flex-fuel a good buy?
    Not really. Flex-fuel vehicles help the environment at the tailpipe, and could theoretically reduce our oil consumption, but they suffer in terms of cost, fuel efficiency and availability.

    It has also been stated that if we use all the corn made in this country it would still only replace 20% of the gasilone needed in this country alone.



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    Re: Ted's Dyno Plots, Dynojet Dyno, Denver, CO. e85 content

    Quote Originally Posted by 400HPA4 View Post
    The EGT's will always be much lower on Ethanol. That torque spike must feel like shit though.
    yeah...if by feeling fast...its actual very smooth to hit...that plot is a 0 smoothing factor..very quiet and smooth...
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    Re: Ted's Dyno Plots, Dynojet Dyno, Denver, CO. e85 content

    Quote Originally Posted by DenverNoob View Post
    yeah...if by feeling fast...its actual very smooth to hit...that plot is a 0 smoothing factor..very quiet and smooth...

    Your HP & TQ curves looks much smoother now than they did previously. When you were on just race gas (no E85) were your dyno plots as smooth as they are now? Or is this just a positive side effect of the E85 blend you are using?
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    Re: Ted's Dyno Plots, Dynojet Dyno, Denver, CO. e85 content

    You should go back and do a race gas only pull to see the difference.

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    Re: Ted's Dyno Plots, Dynojet Dyno, Denver, CO. e85 content

    Quote Originally Posted by 400HPA4 View Post
    You should go back and do a race gas only pull to see the difference.
    that is part of the plan before the full conversion...just to se how it compares. one advantage of running this fuel as i see it though is the cooling effect the increased fuel has on the motor...less overall knock volts (of course i dont log at a rate to see the spikes...but the overall voltages are low), the extremely low EGTS, and the lack of any tangible timing pull. those dyno pulls were taken less than 5 minutes apart, no cooling of the motor/ic other than the crappy fans in the shop and idling of the car. those #s were so close...that lack of any tangible heat soak is incredible...and on fx k03 pulls i saw tangible heat soak...even on leaded gas. this is all very interesting to me because there is still plenty of lemmi potential to make power on that file timing-wise...

    regardless this has been a fun exercise to say the least...and now the harder part is coming...fueling!
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    Re: Ted's Dyno Plots, Dynojet Dyno, Denver, CO. e85 content

    I like the EGT's I like the fact that you can run 100 octane fuel for $3.50 a gallon.

    I really hope our fuel delivery system (lines, seals, ect.) can handle it.
    It would be pretty cool if they write a smart file that will sense the fuel automatically.

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    Re: Ted's Dyno Plots, Dynojet Dyno, Denver, CO. e85 content

    Quote Originally Posted by 400HPA4 View Post
    I like the EGT's I like the fact that you can run 100 octane fuel for $3.50 a gallon.

    I really hope our fuel delivery system (lines, seals, ect.) can handle it.
    It would be pretty cool if they write a smart file that will sense the fuel automatically.
    its only a matter of a sensor that can detect the eth/gas combo. our ECUs cant run that sensor. that and the injectors that are capable of being very flexible with their pulses.
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    Re: Ted's Dyno Plots, Dynojet Dyno, Denver, CO. e85 content

    Quote Originally Posted by mike-2ptzero View Post
    How is it cheaper if you have to use twice as much vs gasoline?


    Here this is on a site that talks about E85 fuel.


    The real cost of E85, however, comes when you leave the station. Inefficient at a tune of about three or more miles per gallon, it costs more to get down the road, causing drivers to fill up more often – and pay virtually the same to do so. When you factor in its fuel economy – or lack thereof – the price of E85 would have to be around 20 percent less than regular gasoline in order to break even cost-wise.

    and

    Is flex-fuel a good buy?
    Not really. Flex-fuel vehicles help the environment at the tailpipe, and could theoretically reduce our oil consumption, but they suffer in terms of cost, fuel efficiency and availability.

    It has also been stated that if we use all the corn made in this country it would still only replace 20% of the gasilone needed in this country alone.



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    Nice to see someone that posts up uncorrected and corrected dyno #'s.
    When is the last time you bought race fuel for 2.35 a gallon? It has been atleast 5 years for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duchenbagen View Post
    When is the last time you bought race fuel for 2.35 a gallon? It has been atleast 5 years for me.
    I buy race fuel for under $6/gallon, if E85 costs $2.35 and you have to use twice as much then it would cost $4.70 for the same amount of fuel used. This also means you have to fill the tank more often or have more fuel in the car during racing and more fuel in the car means more weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike-2ptzero View Post
    I buy race fuel for under $6/gallon, if E85 costs $2.35 and you have to use twice as much then it would cost $4.70 for the same amount of fuel used. This also means you have to fill the tank more often or have more fuel in the car during racing and more fuel in the car means more weight.
    my fuel trims are favorable and not dreadfully out of whack as of yet. if i were to guess, id say overall miliage has decreased ~15% for normal driving. the miliage loss across flex-fuel vehicles is typically between 10% and 30% depending on the vehicle...so this certainly falls in that window...but its only a guestimation.

    part-throttle fuel trims were only showing a 5.5% increase.
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    its only a matter of a sensor that can detect the eth/gas combo. our ECUs cant run that sensor. that and the injectors that are capable of being very flexible with their pulses.
    Our ECU's cannot but I bet that a file switcher can be activated by the sensor, then all we would need to do is cycle the key. It is not very hard to switch with the SPS3 for me, but...

    ...it would be cool to do it automatically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 400HPA4 View Post
    Our ECU's cannot but I bet that a file switcher can be activated by the sensor, then all we would need to do is cycle the key. It is not very hard to switch with the SPS3 for me, but...

    ...it would be cool to do it automatically.

    agreed....im looking into some interesting fueling options that would make it easy...not as easy as SPS...but easier none the less. 034 stand-alone should theoretically be able to monitor such a device, given that the maps are set up properly...not really something im looking into given that I'm only running a k04....lol. it looks now like while im on a mix of fuels, lemmi is going to help me tease out power...once i get into more advanced fueling options things are going to change.

    ill actually be logging (depending on how quickly i burn out my current tank) 100% E85 (so and 85% eth blend of course) just to see how the car reacts. though my on-time seems maxed, my fuel trims show quite a bit of flexibility remaining. ill be bleeding the tank dry, then leaving some room for 91 oct to be put in the tank if im leaning out a bit (which very well may happen)....well see! every time i say im out of room to add more e85, the car counters with great logs and fueling...

    well have to see. i know for a fact there is no way on this 380cc siemens injector setup i could run like this at sea level...and ultimately i want ot get to that point.
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    I buy race fuel for under $6/gallon, if E85 costs $2.35 and you have to use twice as much then it would cost $4.70 for the same amount of fuel used. This also means you have to fill the tank more often or have more fuel in the car during racing and more fuel in the car means more weight.
    IT IS STILL CHEAPER!!! I did not say anything about the weight of the fuel in the car or the inconvenience of filling the car. That's it. Oh and a BTW it's cheaper.
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    IT IS STILL CHEAPER!!! I did not say anything about the weight of the fuel in the car or the inconvenience of filling the car. That's it. Oh and a BTW it's cheaper.

    there are other notable added benefits. if you look at the smoothness of those dyno pulls at 0 smoothing...one thing becomes very evident....

    the increased fuel, as we all know, has a cooling effect in the engine. our own ECUs will add fuel if the motor is knocking too much (in addition to pulling timing of course) to keep things kosher. this is why you often see fattening of the mixture on dyno pulls at the top end of the rev band. i havent dyno'd race fuel, but i have logged it. i pull far more timing and knock more...even on leaded.

    i know these corrected #s seem high...but i will counter with this statement...

    its not that my motor is making so much more power as compared to other similar setups....its that, in the end, it really isnt loosing ANY to outside factors via the safety measures in the ECU. no pulled timing, super-low EGT, low average knock volts...all of these factors mean at its root the car is as efficient as it can be...

    now i know i can tease more power from this...and that will of course be a blast...but cooler engine/EGT/IAT=more power all day long. that dyno was taken at 93 deg F and pulls were less than 5min apart without any cooling beyond the shop's poopy fans! very consistent!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DenverNoob View Post
    now i know i can tease more power from this...and that will of course be a blast...but cooler engine/EGT/IAT=more power all day long. that dyno was taken at 93 deg F and pulls were less than 5min apart without any cooling beyond the shop's poopy fans! very consistent!
    you going to MAC again this week? if so let me know, and we can push both the k04 and the k03 files to max effort if youd like. im off tuesday thru friday, so anythings kosher with me. data logging on my system sounds like a plan, eh ted?
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    you going to MAC again this week? if so let me know, and we can push both the k04 and the k03 files to max effort if youd like. im off tuesday thru friday, so anythings kosher with me. data logging on my system sounds like a plan, eh ted?
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    i doubt im gonna go by MAC again until the conversion is complete...but i was contemplating bandi again in the next couple of weeks when i get some tweaking done to the car to see if i cant get closer to the mid-14s. im gonna take thurs and fri off this week, so if you want to log a bit, we can certainly do that and play around with fuel a bit for ya!
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    Re: Ted's Dyno Plots, Dynojet Dyno, Denver, CO. e85 content

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    i doubt im gonna go by MAC again until the conversion is complete...but i was contemplating bandi again in the next couple of weeks when i get some tweaking done to the car to see if i cant get closer to the mid-14s. im gonna take thurs and fri off this week, so if you want to log a bit, we can certainly do that and play around with fuel a bit for ya!
    both days work good for me. just lemme know when and ill meet you at the bahn. how much fuel did you end up using, and what was the percentage mixture? my ~25%ish mixture felt VERY good up top in 4th. i was way stoked. i was planning on bandi in about another week and a half.
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    both days work good for me. just lemme know when and ill meet you at the bahn. how much fuel did you end up using, and what was the percentage mixture? my ~25%ish mixture felt VERY good up top in 4th. i was way stoked. i was planning on bandi in about another week and a half.
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    i ran 70% e85, 30% 91 oct (summer e0 blend)...so 55% ethanol blended.
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