I just thought of a way to save the Nation Money-

[JBM]

I recently got my Canon A80 from Worst Buy and when I went to open the box I noticed the booklet was in Spainish I had not left the store and went back and asked for the English one and they said "Ohh its on the bottom" I was like "Okay I dont speak fcking Spainish" and threw all the crap out and left. So I propose a way to get rid of the Mexican Invasion,

First off we need to ban the printing of goods with Spainish on it, like Spainish above English on Pringles. Secondly we need to make a law that if your parents are illegal immigrants who hopped the border to have you so they can stay in America than we'll deport ur ass back to what ever shathole you came from. Third we need to stop teaching our future generations spainish. At my high school they had to hire 7 more Spainish teachers for the spainish population that cant speak a spic of english. This does give jobs but at the same time it is telling its okay if half of america doesnt speak spainish. Next we should round up all of the illegal americans and stop offering welfare to those under the radar, I dont want my taxes supporting a group of illegals. After that we need to clean out Wal-Mart and so that I can check out with having to have a Spainish dictionary with me. Than we need to clean the Southwest up of all the illegals and take those watering holes out of the desert. We will be saving money and giviing jobs to the legal residents of this great land. BTW we need to do off with the Mexican trade guy who said we should dissolve our borders.

This does leave to some problems-unwanted jobs will need to be filled so we would need to find a proposal to it.
And Miami would be well... wont get into that

I just want a nation with no ACLU making it mandatory for my offspring to learn Spainish damn soon they will want the Consititution to be rewritten in spainish.

God I just had to vent.. but it is a modest proposal

And all the legal people of the Nation well thanks for being legal.
jared

[DDQ]

You sound like me years ago. Not that I'm that old (28), but I see what you mean. And by no means am I trying to say that you're less-informed or wrong).

The thing that pisses me off most is that I have to choose what language I want at the ATM. I mean, the default should be English.

However, one of my closest friends was in the Border Patrol in Arizona for years (he's now an Air Marshall since 9/11 went down). Strangely, he's also the biggest Bush hater I know. My only point here is that the border-jumper thing is a much deeper subject that just locking this country down. That will not solve our problems, and I do not feel we should stop foreigners from entering, rather we shoud police it and absorb them in a political manner. After all, if we lived where they do we'd be doing the same thing. As did our ancestors.

I'm not going to spit all my beliefs out here. But, I am clearly a right-winger, less the religious crap. But I take issues one topic at a time. The key is to be as well-informed as possible, and try to be constuctive, no matter which side you choose. I've found complaining and bashing the other side gets you nowhere, since it only further alienates the opposition (who you're hopefully trying to convince your way is better).

The best thing we can all do, no matter which side we're on, is to have a common goal. We can all have different ideas on how to get there, but as long as we end up in the right spot, it will all work out. My biggest concern is that the liberals display that they're anti-governent, anti-US, and simply bashing our government's actions. Look at history. Look at the facts. While some may feel they had a better way to resolve the problems by "talking", none of us would be here today with the right to bitch if we all just sat around talking about it. We'd either be speaking German, or still be owned by England.

War is not always the answer. But neither is sitting on your ass while someone else prepares to take advantage of you.

Also recognize who the democrats market/appeal to. It's less-educated, lower income, and minorties (not just racial, but sex too). I'm not saying those people are worth any less or dumber than a rich white guy. I'm just saying that they are taking advantage of those groups because they perceive them as easily manipulated. That alone should tell you something. The "other side" (read: republican) realizes that intelligent informed people can make their own decisions. Therefore they simply lay it all out and let them decide since they don't want to insult their intelligence and push them to the other party.

I said too much.

[JBM]

Amen and btw if we just ohh what the hell lets erase our borders than we will be like the Germans with the Turk infestation. My friend who lives over there says there is an all Turk district and it pisses them off but the Germans cant kick them out or its holocaust and racial crap

[DDQ]

Just in case my post was not clear... I certainly do not feel we should just let anyone in our country for the hell of it. I feel it should be a very strict process.

I do think we should have the right to "send home" anyone that has any ill-interests. But, just because someone disagrees with our methods it does not mean we should persecute them. But if they are not trying to be "American", then by all means, fry them and send them to their maker.

The problem lies in who decides who is who, and what is what. And there in lies the problem. You never want a goverment deciding that without question, which is why we need liberals to constantly keep us in check, just like our checks and balances system to pass laws.

We need to entrust our system and the officials that are privledged to have the information that we do not have. After all, anyone that works knows how to do your job better than someone that has never worked in your field.

This is not a free country. A free system would equate to anarchy, and we all know that will not work. So we should recognize that our officials will have power, and they will make decisions that some of us may disagree with. But as long as we all have the common interest of making our country safer and prosperous, then we'll all be happy.

My biggest bitch towards Bush-haters is their display of ingorance towards the war in Iraq. If you took 4th grade social studies you should realize that one man cannot go to war. It takes the entire Congress to approve it. And they did. Democrats and Republicans alike.

Ask the soldiers risking their lives. They want to fight for us, they want to be there earning our freedom, and the freedom of the world. Anytime they're inteviewed their biggest gripe is that the liberal media here is fueling the opposition by making it look like they're winning. The media only covers the handful of US soldiers that are attacked, while we have 150,000 troops DOMINATING that country.

Man, I need to go to bed. Either that, or become a politician.

[MR VTEC]

racist thread must exit now!

[OverSpun]

if this was not audizine and you said that in public, i would personally knock your teeth out. half my family is mexican, and even though they are legal citizens, (all of them) english is still their second language and at times its difficult for them to understand some things. THIS is why spanish is written places to aid people who need it. incase you didnt know, california and large parts of the US used to BE mexico. modest proposal? i think its the dumbest fncking proposal ive ever heard.

for once i agree with vtec. racist thread. foo may be right how he calls me overbent cause i always get stuck in these arguements in threads, but this involves my life and family, thats too far.

[MR VTEC]

Originally posted by OverSpun

for once i agree with vtec.

WHAT IS THE WORLD COMING TOO!

[Ryan S.]

this thread is hardly racist. And english needs to be this countries first language. Its ok to have spanish used as an aid, but these people need to be trying their hardest to learn english, which most of them are. Illegals dont need to be here, its that simple. they are taking money away from all of us legals, and thats not right.

But the only solution to the illegal problem is to look at the source of the problem. Why are they leaving their countries? What can we do as a nation to make them want to stay in their countries? When these questions are answered, then the illegal problem will go away. But itll take a longgggggg time.

[Ryan S.]

but if you want to play the race card, Why dont people who come from finland get a finnish language option on the ATM? i know thats stretching it, buttttttttt, it makes you think.

[OverSpun]

because mexico borders us. thats why. and without translations like that my grandparents would be pretty confused a lot of times. that is why. yes, the thread is racist. he even wrote spic in there, and although used in a different context, it like relevent use considering his thread topic. its wonderful how so many people hate mexicans. i am mexican, hate me.

[Ryan S.]

what i wrote applies to all illegals. not just our south american friends.

[Imperial]

Wow, seriously? When did I miss the group-buy on white hoods? This is a racist and xenophobic thread through and through. While people are entitled to their opinions, that does not necessarily make them any less offensive. YES English should be the official and primary language and it IS. Why, though, should there be no support for those who have come here and are learning? I'm not proposing the country be bilingual (most people can hardly handle English anyway I'd love to see how another language would factor in) but there should be at least aid. Spanish on the ATM? So what? Don't click it. That simple. The border problem and the whole illegal issue is complicated indeed, but think about all the back-breaking work a LOT of those immigrants do. Without them, what'd it be like? Check out the movie "A Day Without A Mexican" if you'd like. And Frank S. makes some very vaild points about why people are leaving their countries. Simply sealing the borders and booting illegals is xenophobic to say the least. And no ACLU? I love that part. Now don't get me wrong, there are a lot of ridiculous things that are defended, but still, it's the principle of the matter. Let me go get my red armband and leather jackboots right now in that case.

[Ryan S.]

i wrote this. " Its ok to have spanish used as an aid" just making sure things are clear.

[Audi_Sniper]

Man you guys need to chill the fook out. This thread is going to piss off allot of peeps......
I'm not going voice my opinion on this subject. Sorry I just think this is topic is not right for the zine...

.02 I'm out...

[S4midable]

crafty mexicans and their glass candy.

[cj-S4]

I don' think this is a racist thread at all. But you will always have the finger pointers,, as soon as you speak about a group as a whole.

If you or I moved to another country, we would learn their native tongue, and fit in, period. So why can't they? That is all I have to say.

[DDQ]

Whoa.... people need watch their mouths. There's nothing racist going on here. That's a really ignorant thing to call anyone here, given that there was nothing racist about any of the comments. If anything the topic is extremely nationalist, but that's not racist.

And if anyone is saying that my posts were racist, well then, you may want to read them again. I find it highly offensive to be accused of being a racist, since I'm the furthest thing from one.

[SEXICÄN]

Dude, this thread is F*Cked up, My mom is mexican but she isn't a border jumper, her dad was and he is dead. Are you saying that I should be deported because of waht my grandpa did(before i was born)?. This is borderline racist.

[SEXICÄN]

Originally posted by OverSpun
if this was not audizine and you said that in public, i would personally knock your teeth out. half my family is mexican, and even though they are legal citizens, (all of them) english is still their second language and at times its difficult for them to understand some things. THIS is why spanish is written places to aid people who need it. incase you didnt know, california and large parts of the US used to BE mexico. modest proposal? i think its the dumbest fncking proposal ive ever heard.

for once i agree with vtec. racist thread. foo may be right how he calls me overbent cause i always get stuck in these arguements in threads, but this involves my life and family, thats too far.

Not only is Cali largely populated with mexicans, also is New Mexico, Arizona, Colorado, and Texas. Whats going to happen if we deport all of them. I think you should watch the movie "A day without a mexican". Watch that.

I'm with you OverSpun, and everything you said. Half my family is Mexican also.

[bittersweetno1]

I dont see this thread as racist. There are valid points made and I agree with several. English is our language as a nation, I think it should be taught and used as a first language. As you said Overspun, your grandparents can get confused at times. I think it would make life much easier if it was required of all new citizens, regardless of what country your from, to learn and use English. If I went somewhere outside this nation and moved to another country, I would have to learn that country's language to survive and fit in. Its only logical.
I also think that, the US is sometimes too leniant with letting everyone in. It is a very noble idea and in an ideal society would be wonderful. However, I do not think this open policy functions in the very real reality we live in.

[OverSpun]

Originally posted by bittersweetno1
I dont see this thread as racist. There are valid points made and I agree with several. English is our language as a nation, I think it should be taught and used as a first language. As you said Overspun, your grandparents can get confused at times. I think it would make life much easier if it was required of all new citizens, regardless of what country your from, to learn and use English. If I went somewhere outside this nation and moved to another country, I would have to learn that country's language to survive and fit in. Its only logical.
I also think that, the US is sometimes too leniant with letting everyone in. It is a very noble idea and in an ideal society would be wonderful. However, I do not think this open policy functions in the very real reality we live in.

sorry, but dont we have a democracy here? not communist russia, i mean, arent we called the "land of the free"? so you think people need to be fluent in english before they become citizens. well alright, my grandparents are fluent in english, but its by no means as good as mine or any other americans, they are old, learning doesnt come as quick to old people, and certain words can be confusing sometimes. sorry, but that idea is simply rediculous. people come to america from far away places because they want to make a life for themselves, and for their family and children, not so they can conform and be shackled to our rules and regulations. i suppose youve never traveled outside of the country, because if you did you would probably notice that a lot of places outside of the US have signs in english? now wouldnt it be fun to learn to be fluent in every language of every country you visited? einstein would have trouble with that one.

[DDQ]

Originally posted by OverSpun
sorry, but dont we have a democracy here? not communist russia, i mean, arent we called the "land of the free"? so you think people need to be fluent in english before they become citizens. well alright, my grandparents are fluent in english, but its by no means as good as mine or any other americans, they are old, learning doesnt come as quick to old people, and certain words can be confusing sometimes. sorry, but that idea is simply rediculous. people come to america from far away places because they want to make a life for themselves, and for their family and children, not so they can conform and be shackled to our rules and regulations. i suppose youve never traveled outside of the country, because if you did you would probably notice that a lot of places outside of the US have signs in english? now wouldnt it be fun to learn to be fluent in every language of every country you visited? einstein would have trouble with that one.

I know what you mean. I think that this thread was a bit extreme, but I don't think he meant to be racist. After all, my grandparents only spoke Italian when they came here. And most Americans have ancestors that came here and were persecuted too at one point. I guess my only point was that in recent years, we're seeing many people coming to our country to take advantage of it, rather than trying to become part of it.

If you ask most first generation people (like many of our grandparents), they tend to bitch the most about this issue, because they came here and wanted to become Americans, and learned the language, etc... It was very hard from them, but they did it.

[bittersweetno1]

You really need to lighten up. Remember freedom of speech? I was just giving my opinon and speaking my mine. I in no way intend or intended to offend you.

[JBM]

Dude if you read it write did I say anything about being racist??
NO
My post , or this thread is about illegals, and that goes along with all races, I am just talking about the majority of illegals, not about the legals. I do understand that and I have Hispanic it friends but what I am saying is that before soon we will be the United States of Mexico unless we do something now. What I want is that the illegals that are having kids over here at least try to teach them english, and at the same time if they need to learn it themselves because if all the illegals with their kids over here dont learn english then they will not blend easily with this society. But we need to start changing our laws before we become like Germany and have in some districts 10% of the population supporting 90% of those who are on welfare because they are illegals and cannot get jobs but they can get welfare. Also we need to get rid of welfare over a couple of years because if people just sit around on their ass expecting a check than they will not get out in the world and become a productice member of society and therefore drain funds that we could put to increasing our fighting brothers and sisters salary cuz a lot of wounded soldiers coming back have to spend their time in the hospital and the bills do just go away. I spend some time at Walter Reid and each week somebody loses their house because they make under the whatever they call it level. But if illegals of ANY RACE, that just sit around and wait for a check and dont work, needs to be put out on the front lines. IF they love this country so much they should fight for their citizenship. 5 years and they get their citizenship after serving in the military. Man I cant believe politicans cannot think this stuff up. But I did NOT TARGET any Nationality unlike Overspun thinks because he saw Mexican in my thread, when I clearly state what the sentence says.

[JBM]

Originally posted by OverSpun
sorry, but dont we have a democracy here? not communist russia, i mean, arent we called the "land of the free"? so you think people need to be fluent in english before they become citizens. well alright, my grandparents are fluent in english, but its by no means as good as mine or any other americans, they are old, learning doesnt come as quick to old people, and certain words can be confusing sometimes. sorry, but that idea is simply rediculous. people come to america from far away places because they want to make a life for themselves, and for their family and children, not so they can conform and be shackled to our rules and regulations. i suppose youve never traveled outside of the country, because if you did you would probably notice that a lot of places outside of the US have signs in english? now wouldnt it be fun to learn to be fluent in every language of every country you visited? einstein would have trouble with that one.

Yes we do have a democracy, but this land is not free because last time I checked We cannot put a human toll on our freedom and do not compare us to russia. yes I do think that they should be fluent in English before they enter our society because our society is harsh and IT IS FOR THEIR OWN GOOD, so they will not be confused, will not be taken advantage of in this "New World", we are not free from crime which sometimes targets these newcomers. BTW I have traveled outside the US and I do notice that many of the signs are in English, because last time I checked English is still the world's second most common native language and therefore they should learn it sometime they are here anyways so they can get a job, go to school, get medical care. They are coming here and shall we learn a new language or how about them learn the language that they will here in Grand Forks North Dakota, or in Newport RI. Its ENGLISH and if interest groups get in a fuss because one bank will work only with english than let it be. damn ACLU and its liberals will be the downfall of this country if we dont do anything, but I like to keep out of politics and they whole system and just stay on track.

BTW about the Russia thing you are about one thing. The genocide of the Native Americans if anybody cares about that, but nope only real genocide people take care of is of the Jews in the Holocaust. But Stalin did kill i think 3.5 million of his own people, when the U.S over decades systemically killed off whole tribes just because they were different. So yeah maybe we are like Russia but times change and we learn from our mistakes.

We need to protect our country or we will fall like other countries to illegals. I do not want my kid to have to learn 3 languages before graduating high school so they can live a normal life, but I get so pissed when I hear Spainish Commericals broadcasted in Walmart to people that I mostly know speak english last time I check I lived in America.

BTW- with the whole what race I am thing, I am 25 percent German 25 percent Italian and 50 percent Native American. Just thought I would put that out because everybody else is.

jared

[SEXICÄN]

If you want to deport all illegal Aliens(or mexicans as you put it), then we all should be deported, if i recall, this country was founded on Illegal Aliens.

[JBM]

I wouldnt be deported.

[foofighter]

this post rides a very fine line and i can see how some of the member can interpret this post as being racist. I myself am an immigrant to this country as my parents brought me over. I see your point(s) jared as i see the points of sahand and nick. My grandmother would never have been let into this country if the ful command of the english language was a requisite for being a citizen...as she is older.

I mean hell sometimes when i go to the ATM i get pissed off because there's Chinese as an option. And I'm asian! and on the flip side i know/understand that a lot of the illegals contribute greatly to the economy here in the SW...as I've learned from my sociology classes that most "Americans" would turn their noses or rather stay on welfare than go out and pick strawberries or clean your house or fix the bed at hotels. Do you realize what their absence would do to our economy if we were forced to pay "Americans" to pick our strawberries?

I think that's why government sometimes turns a blind eye towards this subject because they do know that they contribute to our economy. Hell, as someone posted this country was built on a bunch of illegals...it truly is a big melting pot of races and cultures.

Take this thread with an open mind and see both sides because i certainly do see both sides of it.

Hell if i had my drothers I would deport all my Peeps!!! They suck as drivers

[Audi_Sniper]

Foo that is very well said...

[JBM]

Foo so true my plan wouldnt be they have to learn english before they apply its that once they applied and got in they would have to take a mandatory set of classes to help them with this society and everything. its not like well we arent going to let u in. we'll let u in but u have to take these classes first thing or you will have some restrictions, sort of like a Student Visa type thing.

[kennious]

Foo was wrong. This country was founded by prudes who were disgusted by the crazy European sex. True story.

[foofighter]

i do stand corrected...puritans left europe and planted themselves on the east coast

[OverSpun]

Originally posted by JBM
Foo so true my plan wouldnt be they have to learn english before they apply its that once they applied and got in they would have to take a mandatory set of classes to help them with this society and everything. its not like well we arent going to let u in. we'll let u in but u have to take these classes first thing or you will have some restrictions, sort of like a Student Visa type thing.

if your idea was actually logical or realistic, i'm sure it would have been done by now. our country didnt last this long being run by incompetent idiots.

[kennious]

Originally posted by OverSpun
if your idea was actually logical or realistic, i'm sure it would have been done by now. our country didnt last this long being run by incompetent idiots.

I beg to differ...

[OverSpun]

hes not the only president we've had.