jeff moss at torque factory...

[fongaroos]

i checked on his website... but i cant find his address anyhwere...
http://www.torque-factory.com/



does anyone know where torque factory is located?

[Villains]

Originally posted by fongaroos
i checked on his website... but i cant find his address anyhwere...
http://www.torque-factory.com/



does anyone know where torque factory is located?

He is in Santa Monica, but go with REVO!!! David will come out to you to install it. We can have another GTG, chip your car with REVO and check it out.

[fongaroos]

check the other thread...

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...threadid=13430

[Saturnine]

Will he come up here to Norcal??

[fongaroos]

what chip do you have sat?

[Villains]

Originally posted by fongaroos
what chip do you have sat?

He has GIAC IIRC.

[fongaroos]

well...
how do you like the GIAC sat?

i guess im still hesitant about revo because none of the installers are local...

[Europrojektz_8E]

YEs Go with Revo, their software is the shit!

[fongaroos]

any one good hookups for REVO?

and im in the san gabriel valley. and local installers near there. redondo isnt even really local. its FREAKIN FAR!

GIAC and jeff moss however are like 5 minutes from my work...

[Villains]

Originally posted by fongaroos
any one good hookups for REVO?

and im in the san gabriel valley. and local installers near there. redondo isnt even really local. its FREAKIN FAR!

GIAC and jeff moss however are like 5 minutes from my work...

We can all meet up like in Pasadena and he can flash your car there. You don't have to go out to Redondo Beach.

[DLSJ5]

Originally posted by fongaroos
any one good hookups for REVO?

and im in the san gabriel valley. and local installers near there. redondo isnt even really local. its FREAKIN FAR!

GIAC and jeff moss however are like 5 minutes from my work...

Fong,

What do you want Power w/ no detonation or power that drops off and detonates? Trust me it's not that far. Plus David would most likely drop by wherever you are. I met Jeff Moss at the last AMS dyno day, really nice guy, but I remember him claiming on AW 250HP from the GIAC Xchip w/ the K03!!! After that I lost a bit of respect, sorry Jeff, I'm still willing to meet up and do the dyno, or run any GIAC A4 K03 or K04 car.

[Tim0s002]

man, i want to change to revo so bad, but im so broke it aint even funny.

[bugzy]

Everyone will say go with the chip they picked

But ive had both in my '02

Even at one point had both GIAC and REVO in the car at same time. The cool part of GIAC's IBE Switch hahah

I can tell you, you cant go wrong with either product

I've worked with both Jeff and David

Jeff did my GTI 337 .. David did my Audi ... and Garrett@GIAC did my Audi too

just toss a coin

[DLSJ5]

Originally posted by bugzy
Everyone will say go with the chip they picked

But ive had both in my '02

Even at one point had both GIAC and REVO in the car at same time. The cool part of GIAC's IBE Switch hahah

I can tell you, you cant go wrong with either product

I've worked with both Jeff and David

Jeff did my GTI 337 .. David did my Audi ... and Garrett@GIAC did my Audi too

just toss a coin

Bugzy,

That norcal/socal video we shot should be done next week!!! I've been so busy so I had a friend put it together, I'll get it to you asap.

As far as comparing the two, I agree that everyone will try and pitch and sell you what they have on their cars but I believe that one of these chips is better than the other. The best way is to compare independent dyno charts and do a few runs w/ similar cars. I'd like to see a GIAC chipped car on the MAHA. Not the peak HP but the power delivery. I've Vagged two GIAC chipped cars and they both pulled timing as much as 12 degrees, my T28 did as well. Both Revo cars that I vagged only pulled it back 2 degrees, 5 is acceptable. Still there's a better way to see which is better, we should have another dyno day, and maybe do a few spirited runs.

[Villains]

Originally posted by bugzy
Everyone will say go with the chip they picked

That is not true. Back when I had my APR chip, I told people to avoid it. Just do a search for APR and my name; you will see. I had three different chips with my K03 and speaking from experience, I tell people to get the REVO. Not simply because that is what I have. In fact I have a turbo upgrade kit now, so it isn't even relevant.

Some people give an honest opinion and some are knowledgeable. The hard part is just weeding them out. I may be "harsh" on some tuners and shops, but in the end you will see that I am the way I am from first hand experience.

[Jeff]

Originally posted by fongaroos
i checked on his website... but i cant find his address anyhwere...
http://www.torque-factory.com/



does anyone know where torque factory is located?

Torque Factory is located in West LA (towards Santa Monica). REVO is in Redondo Beach.

Both tuners provide excellent service, but Torque Factory (formerly Velocity) has been in the industry MUCH longer, and has a much better reputation on the market--along with GIAC's reputation backing it up.

Many people often like to say stuff like "Get REVO!...It's The Shiznitz!!!"... based on what? Knowledge? Experience? (company is barely years old) or simple some ignorant remark out of their ass? GIAC has proven itself in the B5 S4 market as one of the top tuners, both ON AND OFF the Dyno (which IMO dont tell you SHIT but some numbers), as well as the track. However, REVO entered the B6 A4 market, introducing their new "Flash Programming" gimick, which quickly sold and turned heads. However, most chip tuning in the near future will all be "flashing" via the VAG port, and GIAC is currently running their SerialSuite Flash programmer as we speak, and their future release of MobileTuner will also give the user abilities to control much more than just "timing"... :)

When you buy something, do you buy from a company that's had a reputation in the past for its excellent products and services? Or from the new little startup company that goes around giving out "Free Samples" at a local Trade Show passing out flashing LED necklaces and hiring models to pose for their products...that is nothing more than Marketing-Based than anything else--nice marketing approach to sell inferior products, but it works. We've all heard good things about REVO from it's customers as well as sponsors on this very forum making claims of how "cool" it runs, yet we have heard of more "shit blowing up" within this past year alone since Revo's been around than GIAC, and even Neuspeed and APR combined.

People who have gone from STOCK (or APR...which runs no better) to something like GIAC or even REVO will often say "oh shit!" But has someone here actually ran GIAC and REVO side by side with some power figures as well as some trap speeds? Revo users are like the virgin who is banging the 18yr old blonde... they dont know what's out there until the day they experience the Triple-Penetration Porn Star (GIAC), and that's the day they will never go back. Hope I didnt offend anybody, but that's just the straight-forward analogy I use all the time. :)

[Villains]

Originally posted by Jeff
Torque Factory is located in West LA (towards Santa Monica). REVO is in Redondo Beach.

Both tuners provide excellent service, but Torque Factory (formerly Velocity) has been in the industry MUCH longer, and has a much better reputation on the market--along with GIAC's reputation backing it up.

Many people often like to say stuff like "Get REVO!...It's The Shiznitz!!!"... based on what? Knowledge? Experience? (company is barely years old) or simple some ignorant remark out of their ass? GIAC has proven itself in the B5 S4 market as one of the top tuners, both ON AND OFF the Dyno (which IMO dont tell you SHIT but some numbers), as well as the track. However, REVO entered the B6 A4 market, introducing their new "Flash Programming" gimick, which quickly sold and turned heads. However, most chip tuning in the near future will all be "flashing" via the VAG port, and GIAC is currently running their SerialSuite Flash programmer as we speak, and their future release of MobileTuner will also give the user abilities to control much more than just "timing"... :)

When you buy something, do you buy from a company that's had a reputation in the past for its excellent products and services? Or from the new little startup company that goes around giving out "Free Samples" that is nothing more than Marketing-Based than anything else. We've all heard good things about REVO from it's customers as well as sponsors on this very forum making claims of how "cool" it runs, yet we have heard of more "shit blowing up" within this past year alone since Revo's been around than GIAC, and even Neuspeed and APR combined.

People who have gone from STOCK (or APR...which runs no better) to something like GIAC or even REVO will often say "oh shit!" But has someone here actually ran GIAC and REVO side by side with some power figures as well as some trap speeds? Revo users are like the virgin who is banging the 18yr old blonde... they dont know what's out there until the day they experience the Triple-Penetration Porn Star (GIAC), and that's the day they will never go back. Hope I didnt offend anybody, but that's just the straight-forward analogy I use all the time. :)

You shouldn't assume so much. Yes, I have had them both with the same mods. Yes, we have ran them side by side. Yes, we are speaking from personally experience. Yes, we do know the history of both companies. The only one assuming things here is you. Before you go off about what people are posting or why they are posting it, maybe you should ask first.

[A4Kevin]

Well said Villains.

[Jeff]

Originally posted by Villains
You shouldn't assume so much. Yes, I have had them both with the same mods. Yes, we have ran them side by side. Yes, we are speaking from personally experience. Yes, we do know the history of both companies. The only one assuming things here is you. Before you go off about what people are posting or why they are posting it, maybe you should ask first.

Link? :)

Derrick, I remember conversing with you a few months back, when you were shopping for a clutch, did you end up with the DXD? I think as a responsible and fellow AZ'er, you should enlighten the users on this forum with some links and charts of those comparisons you mentioned (by more than just one dyno to be unbiased and fair), instead of being some company's "guinea pig" by defending and endorsing their products because they "hooked you up" in some way or other. (No offense in any way man).

-Jeff

[Villains]

Originally posted by Jeff
Link? :)

Derrick, I remember conversing with you a few months back, when you were shopping for a clutch, did you end up with the DXD? I think as a responsible and fellow AZ'er, you should enlighten the users on this forum with some links and charts of those comparisons you mentioned (by more than just one dyno to be unbiased and fair), instead of being some company's "guinea pig" by defending and endorsing their products because they "hooked you up" in some way or other. (No offense in any way man).

-Jeff

Jeff,

Where are your dyno charts. Most of the guys on this forum were there when we did the back to back runs. Also, I speak from personal experience with both chips, I'm sorry but there is no chart for that. By the way, I didn't get any hook ups for any of the chips. I paid $500 for each of the three I had. If you read my posts you will see that I don't defend any manufacturer in fact some people say I am too harsh on them. I never endorse anyone. I only give my honest feedback, both good and bad. You are the one who is defending a company simply because they have been around. McDonald's has been around a long time and has done billions of dollars in business, but I would not define them as a gourmet place. And I wouldn't recommend them to someone looking for a burger. You are the one who is spouting off about GIAC, but the way I see it you have only presented hearsay. Have you had both chips on your car? Have you run them back to back? I have and have posted. Do a search and you will see. Sorry my friend but you are loosing credibility quickly.

[giago]

I want REVO for a gt28rs!!!!!!!

[Sleeper1.8T]

Originally posted by Villains
Jeff,

Where are your dyno charts. Most of the guys on this forum were there when we did the back to back runs. Also, I speak from personal experience with both chips, I'm sorry but there is no chart for that. By the way, I didn't get any hook ups for any of the chips. I paid $500 for each of the three I had. If you read my posts you will see that I don't defend any manufacturer in fact some people say I am too harsh on them. I never endorse anyone. I only give my honest feedback, both good and bad. You are the one who is defending a company simply because they have been around. McDonald's has been around a long time and has done billions of dollars in business, but I would not define them as a gourmet place. And I wouldn't recommend them to someone looking for a burger. You are the one who is spouting off about GIAC, but the way I see it you have only presented hearsay. Have you had both chips on your car? Have you run them back to back? I have and have posted. Do a search and you will see. Sorry my friend but you are loosing credibility quickly.

Bravo, my friend. Bravo.

[Jeff]

Originally posted by Villains
Jeff,

Where are your dyno charts. Most of the guys on this forum were there when we did the back to back runs. Also, I speak from personal experience with both chips, I'm sorry but there is no chart for that. By the way, I didn't get any hook ups for any of the chips. I paid $500 for each of the three I had. If you read my posts you will see that I don't defend any manufacturer in fact some people say I am too harsh on them. I never endorse anyone. I only give my honest feedback, both good and bad. You are the one who is defending a company simply because they have been around. McDonald's has been around a long time and has done billions of dollars in business, but I would not define them as a gourmet place. And I wouldn't recommend them to someone looking for a burger. You are the one who is spouting off about GIAC, but the way I see it you have only presented hearsay. Have you had both chips on your car? Have you run them back to back? I have and have posted. Do a search and you will see. Sorry my friend but you are loosing credibility quickly.

You have responded to all my questions and explained them in detail. And if REVO "tickles you pickle", I can't really make someone change the way they think/feel, if obviously worked out for that person to his/her satisfaction. However, you still havn't explained all the recent "Revo/E05" incidents, you might want to do a search on that too. I have no intention to start a flame here, but seems like you are getting pretty upset here and took things the wrong way. Maybe I personally have not gotten REVO vs. GIAC dynos, but I know some close friends that have, and have raced many "Revo'd" cars, off the line, from a roll, etc, and then SWITCHED cars with them and they told me the same.

But before you go off on saying "REVO is the best thing to happen to Audi's since sliced bread", you might also want to keep your eyes and mind open for GIAC's new MobileTuner Software, which pretty much does everything that REVO's (and their Lemmiwinks program) can, plus a lot more. At least you didn't brag about your APR setup, because then I'd really start a "flame". [;-)]

As far as my credibility is concerned, and to be honest, I could give a HALF A SHIT about which company makes "the best chip". The best tuning out there is your own (assuming you have the proper resources and knowledge). I personally prefer GIAC because of it's flexibility and scalability and be "limp-mode friendly" on it's X-Program, and think some GIAC gurus would second that, and allows me to run my own MBC and components without affecting or tripping out the computer (1.7bar+ of boost on race gas).

I hope this clears up any "beef" there may be. I am anxious to check out your car some day for myself at a "real" G2G (that doesnt involve bodykits and loud BOV's).

-Jeff

[Villains]

Originally posted by Jeff
You have responded to all my questions and explained them in detail. And if REVO "tickles you pickle", I can't really make someone change the way they think/feel, if obviously worked out for that person to his/her satisfaction. However, you still havn't explained all the recent "Revo/E05" incidents, you might want to do a search on that too. I have no intention to start a flame here, but seems like you are getting pretty upset here and took things the wrong way. Maybe I personally have not gotten REVO vs. GIAC dynos, but I know some close friends that have, and have raced many "Revo'd" cars, off the line, from a roll, etc, and then SWITCHED cars with them and they told me the same.

But before you go off on saying "REVO is the best thing to happen to Audi's since sliced bread", you might also want to keep your eyes and mind open for GIAC's new MobileTuner Software, which pretty much does everything that REVO's (and their Lemmiwinks program) can, plus a lot more. At least you didn't brag about your APR setup, because then I'd really start a "flame". [;-)]

As far as my credibility is concerned, and to be honest, I could give a HALF A SHIT about which company makes "the best chip". The best tuning out there is your own (assuming you have the proper resources and knowledge). I personally prefer GIAC because of it's flexibility and scalability and be "limp-mode friendly" on it's X-Program, and think some GIAC gurus would second that, and allows me to run my own MBC and components without affecting or tripping out the computer (1.7bar+ of boost on race gas).

I hope this clears up any "beef" there may be. I am anxious to check out your car some day for myself at a "real" G2G (that doesnt involve bodykits and loud BOV's).

-Jeff

You really need to do more research before you post. I HAVE AN E05 KIT WITH REVO. So I have first hand experience and not hearsay. GIAC was not able to tune my T28 kit at all. They gave up and I have that in writing. REVO on the other has tuned it and David is now out racing M3s with it. You are the only one who is claiming things without any evidence. I never claimed Revo was the best thing but you argue for GIAC without ANY actual facts. You keep saying "I know someone" or "I have heard." I only speak from personal expedience and to me it seems like you are the one getting kick backs and hook ups. Also, I don't appreciate your tone and your attidute towards me. You seem to be the one with the hidden agenda.

[Silence]

Jeff
I have seen many of your posts, both on here, as well as Audiworld, defending or praising GIAC. While I certainly see nothing wrong with that (hey, we all have our preferences) I felt I should chime in stating facts, not heresay.

Firstly GIAC has definitely proven itself in the s4 market, although there software is notoriously known for blowing turbos rather quickly. But, lets get smethings straight here, we have no S4. Our fueling system and delivery is MUCH different, as I'm sure you're aware. If I had an S4, I would probably be inclined to get some x-sauce, however, being I have an a4, my thoughts defininitely change. If you do some searching, you'll see that Revo cars have ran heads up with many cars, containing "super k04" GIAC, APR etc. IMHO I went with REVO for the adjustability and smoothness of the program. My experience with Garrett tuners, including JEff Moss, leaves something to be desired. 250CHP on a race program in a b6 a4? Give me a break. Lie to some other gullible person. Also, you act as if Revo just started up from the ground, when in fact, that is far from the truth. Once again, do a search if you dont believe me. Also, please show me these stories of "shit blowing up" that you mentioned. I know of one, with the e-05 and believe me, it was definitely user induced. That gentleman actually recently went back to David for more tuning and the REVO BT program file.

In case you are wondering, I am running REVO BT software on a T28 kit, boosting 1.5 bar, which in fact PES and GIAC said could never be done on a DBW a4. We proved them wrong. Since GIAC has been out for so long, and such a reputable company with great service/support, tell me, where is their BT program, should you wish to put together your own kit? I will say this, My GIAC t28 1.3bar chip is collecting dust, like the washed up, abused, gangbanged, past it's prime chip that it is. =)

[Villains]

Originally posted by Silence
Jeff
I have seen many of your posts, both on here, as well as Audiworld, defending or praising GIAC. While I certainly see nothing wrong with that (hey, we all have our preferences) I felt I should chime in stating facts, not heresay.

Firstly GIAC has definitely proven itself in the s4 market, although there software is notoriously known for blowing turbos rather quickly. But, lets get smethings straight here, we have no S4. Our fueling system and delivery is MUCH different, as I'm sure you're aware. If I had an S4, I would probably be inclined to get some x-sauce, however, being I have an a4, my thoughts defininitely change. If you do some searching, you'll see that Revo cars have ran heads up with many cars, containing "super k04" GIAC, APR etc. IMHO I went with REVO for the adjustability and smoothness of the program. My experience with Garrett tuners, including JEff Moss, leaves something to be desired. 250CHP on a race program in a b6 a4? Give me a break. Lie to some other gullible person. Also, you act as if Revo just started up from the ground, when in fact, that is far from the truth. Once again, do a search if you dont believe me. Also, please show me these stories of "shit blowing up" that you mentioned. I know of one, with the e-05 and believe me, it was definitely user induced. That gentleman actually recently went back to David for more tuning and the REVO BT program file.

In case you are wondering, I am running REVO BT software on a T28 kit, boosting 1.5 bar, which in fact PES and GIAC said could never be done on a DBW a4. We proved them wrong. Since GIAC has been out for so long, and such a reputable company with great service/support, tell me, where is their BT program, should you wish to put together your own kit? I will say this, My GIAC t28 1.3bar chip is collecting dust, like the washed up, abused, gangbanged, past it's prime chip that it is. =)

Thank you!

[Silence]

Also, one other thing. Being you are in the LA area, may I sugest you hook up with DLSJ5 for a few spirited runs so you can see what a REVO car can do. Heck even run your 100 octane program to his 91. I'm sure you'll be suprised on the outcome.

[titan]

Iam from hawaii is there a place where I can send my ecu for the revo?

[fongaroos]

well i guess ill let you guys know how it feels. i went over to jeff moss's place last night. we talked for quite a while and he had some pretty convincing answers for all my questions and concerns. i had him install the flash GIAC chip on my car. i drove it around last night and it was... pretty decent. im thinking maybe i was expecting too much. it feels ok. even though most people would agree that the GIAC is the most aggressive chip i didnt feel all that much of a difference on my car. im thinking about returning the chip and getting my money back and testing out the REVO.

im guessing the REVO will probably feel pretty similar to the GIAC.

my final thoughts about this is that yah the car pulls harder and this is DEFINITELY how the car should have came from the factory. however, chipping my car doesnt make it seem like... night and day as some people claim. its a little peppier but i dont think its that much of a difference. i guess the B6 A4s are just TOO HEAVY!!!

bottomline i guess is that im not gonna be racing my car or anything like that. i just want to be able to merge onto the freeway with a little more power and speed. i doubt ill ever do a turbo upgrade or anything big like that so i think a chip is as far as it goes when it comes to performance upgrades. with that said...im hoping that simply changing the programming will not harm my engine too much. im not pushin the engine to its threshhold with all the other crazy mods that you guys do.

having said that... i doubt my car will be ALL THAT MUCH DIFFERENT with the GIAC or the REVO or the NEUSPEED or the AMS or any of the chips out there... its just a very basic entry level mod that in my opinion... doesnt do ALL THAT MUCH..

correct me if im wrong about these assumptions...

[npb]

Fong- I am in the same boat as you. Yesterday I decided to bite the bullet, after much discussion etc. to chip with GIAC. I headed over to Euro Sport Acc. in Anaheim and the programming was done in an hour (btw, did any of the places you guys got chipped at charge you tax for your chip? I ended up paying $540 which includes the tax.. much more than i thought i would be paying). At first, there were almost no noticeable differences. I was dissapointed, to say the least. I drove home pretty normally and after I got home i decided to take the car out for a spin. This time I was impressed. The car pulled like no other and exhibited much more power than before, however, after reading this whole thread I feel like REVO may be the better fit for me and I definately want to give them a try.

All in all, I think I am more antsy for GIAC to release their handheld portable programmer than anything else. EuroSport Acc. charges $20 per switchback for the flashing, so in total, it is $40 to flash your chip to stock and then back to chipped mode (absolutely ridiculous... i'd much rather pay the amount for GIAC's handheld and flash myself)

I guess I am most worried about pushing this car to the limits. Coming from a v8 290+hp tahoe, the little turbo'ed 4 banger makes me worry about overworking/blowing the turbo, busting lines, etc.

Is revo the better fit, or GIAC? I guess i'll just have to wait and see what happens..

[JMG]

Originally posted by fongaroos
well i guess ill let you guys know how it feels. i went over to jeff moss's place last night. we talked for quite a while and he had some pretty convincing answers for all my questions and concerns. i had him install the flash GIAC chip on my car. i drove it around last night and it was... pretty decent. im thinking maybe i was expecting too much. it feels ok. even though most people would agree that the GIAC is the most aggressive chip i didnt feel all that much of a difference on my car. im thinking about returning the chip and getting my money back and testing out the REVO.

im guessing the REVO will probably feel pretty similar to the GIAC.

my final thoughts about this is that yah the car pulls harder and this is DEFINITELY how the car should have came from the factory. however, chipping my car doesnt make it seem like... night and day as some people claim. its a little peppier but i dont think its that much of a difference. i guess the B6 A4s are just TOO HEAVY!!!

bottomline i guess is that im not gonna be racing my car or anything like that. i just want to be able to merge onto the freeway with a little more power and speed. i doubt ill ever do a turbo upgrade or anything big like that so i think a chip is as far as it goes when it comes to performance upgrades. with that said...im hoping that simply changing the programming will not harm my engine too much. im not pushin the engine to its threshhold with all the other crazy mods that you guys do.

having said that... i doubt my car will be ALL THAT MUCH DIFFERENT with the GIAC or the REVO or the NEUSPEED or the AMS or any of the chips out there... its just a very basic entry level mod that in my opinion... doesnt do ALL THAT MUCH..

correct me if im wrong about these assumptions...

Numbers tell the tale in this case. You can see the boost increase if you had a gauge, you can feel the torque as the turbo spools, but it's all in the numbers really. 40-45 hp isn't going to feel like 125cc vc 1000cc streetbike. Real gains are made with bigger turbos etc... Compared to bolt-ons for NA cars, the chips is the best bang for the buck. You will not experience those kinds of gains in the norm. Maybe you were expecting too much. Have you driven a 280hp Z? The difference isn't as staggaring as you might think.

[Villains]

I think this topic deservers a dyno day. I am willing to put up the cash for the dyno all I need is for Jess Moss to bring his laptop and David from Ecode to bring his. We will put a B6 on the dyno first with the stock tune. Then we will flash it with the GIAC tune. Then the REVO. All on the same car, all on the same dyno, all on the same day. All the BS talk will end. I am not doing this to promote one shop over another; only to provide data for ourselves (the A4 drivers).

Dave and Jeff will you meet my challenge?

[DLSJ5]

I step away for a bit and miss all the action!!! Good drama. Vill and Silence, pretty much said it all. Sorry Jeff, the T28 experience left a bad taste in my mouth after Garret promised PES to tune my car for 4 months and nothing, and they gave me a bogus chip in the meantime. If that chip had been running at a higher boost level it may have blown my engine because it was pulling timing 12 degrees.

Jeff, sorry to gang up on you but give me a link to the Revo E05 problems? Below you'll see the link to your post about the 250CHP from a GIAC X chip, that alone you lost me on credibility. Jeff if you're up for it I'll run any B6 A4 GIAC car you have X, XR, K04 on 100 octane as well. Name the time and place we'll see which chip performs better, let's throw them on a Vag as well and see how much timing you're pulling back. Another note I have no problem with you defending GIAC, but they don't have the same ability that Revo has or APR for that matter that's just a fact, what more can GIAC's mobile tuner do than an SPS3 or lemmiwinks can do? I heard they purchased the flash software from Europe? Is this true? Garret's a genious but he doesn't know what Frank knows. Secondly on your website you claim the S4 Revo car at Dubwars was hitting 2.2 bar, where did you get that info? I can tell you it just recently ran a 11.7, can you hit that with an S4, or is that a bad subject? Good day.

http://forums.audiworld.com/a4gen2/msgs/584836.phtml

[teutonic_blur]

Wow! I'm sorry I missed this thread earlier...but now that I've read it here's what I have to say:

1. Revo users think that it is a great product and are very satisfied with their purchase.

2. Most (if not all) people that have tried Revo and someting else believe that Revo is superior.

3. Vendors that sell products that compete with Revo cannot defend their products without bad-mouthing Revo and their customers and making claims that prove to be inaccurate.

Hmmm. Is there something here that sort of doesn't add up?

[Villains]

Just what I thought. Once you give them a chance to to proce what they can do, GIAC runs and hides. David has already accepted the challenge. So where is Jeff?

[Villains]

The official challenge thread:

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...056#post153056

[fongaroos]

wow... this thread started off because i didnt know how to get to jeffs house...

look what i did...

anyways NPB i felt the same way. i had to drive a while and it seemed like the car kinda adapted to the software. at first it was just like stock. now it pulls pretty hard. but like i said i guess i was thinking in my mind that getting a chip is gonna feel like the difference between 170 hp compared to 500 hp. ITS NOT. its a little peppier and it defintely feels nicer... but i definitely DID NOT experience the NIGHT AND DAY effect. it WASNT night and day.

as for blowing your turbo... im COMPLETELY UNEDUCATED about this... but in my mind i never thought that swapping the software could BLOW THE TURBO. if anything i was more concerned about the transmission. i didnt even think about the turbo or busting lines...

anyways

as of right now... the giac is fine. it pulls hard and it spools quick. no problmes yet. no detonation. no pinging. but i dont know how itll affect the engine in the long run. maybe its TOO aggressive. at any rate i have 30 days to test it out. jeff moss did not charge me tax but he did charge me for the 30 mins install time. i ended up paying about the same thing. the way i saw it... it was 30 bucks to pay for the GIAC programming and testing it out for 30 days. i really want to get the boys over at GIAC and the boys over at REVO and just LOCK EM IN A ROOM! and see what they have to say.

i am a little more practical than most of the true TUNERS on AZ and im more worried about reliability and warranty issues than squeezing absolutely every last bit of power out of my engine.

but as of right now... im pretty happy with the GIAC. i really wish i had my boost gauge in before and after the giac... that way i could tell the difference a little more specifically.

[npb]

Fong- I feel the exact same way about issues in the long run as well as warranty issues, which is why I can't wait for GIAC to release their handheld programmer. Like you, I am thrilled with GIAC's programming, but share the same concern that it may be too aggressive. We both have FWD CVT iirc and your trans. concerns are completely valid. Stock, our engines put out about 165 ft/lb's of torque, so with the claimed 30-40 ft/lb of torque increase that GIAC claims, i'm not ready to worry about the tranny-more so the engine.

Overall, I think the car performs beautifully with GIAC programming. There is no more turbo lag- the car feels ready to pull away and use all horses available at any instant. My Forge DV should be here within a day or so (ordered from ECode on the 29th..should've received by the 30th, but yesterday and today came and went without any brown men and trucks.) I think I'll stay with GIAC for local support, satisfaction, and convenience, as well as with anticipation of their release of the handheld programmer (when is this thing coming out anyways!?!?).

I've been told to replace the spark plugs with copper plugs. Does anyone have the serial numbers for the plugs and what the gap should be set at?

Thank you
-Brian

[J. Moss]

Originally posted by DLSJ5
Fong,

What do you want Power w/ no detonation or power that drops off and detonates? I met Jeff Moss at the last AMS dyno day, really nice guy, but I remember him claiming on AW 250HP from the GIAC Xchip w/ the K03!!! After that I lost a bit of respect, sorry Jeff, I'm still willing to meet up and do the dyno, or run any GIAC A4 K03 or K04 car.

Hi,

We have made about 250 crank on a 100 octane "XR" program. It is definately not a pump gas program.

I have nothing to prove to you or Revo. There is room in the market for all of us without all this Shit-Talking.

If someone wants the XR program for their 02-04 A4 email me and and have a better clutch than stock. Will be installing the file in a local car tommorrow.

Jeff

[J. Moss]

Originally posted by DLSJ5
I step away for a bit and miss all the action!!! Good drama. Vill and Silence, pretty much said it all. Sorry Jeff, the T28 experience left a bad taste in my mouth after Garret promised PES to tune my car for 4 months and nothing, and they gave me a bogus chip in the meantime. If that chip had been running at a higher boost level it may have blown my engine because it was pulling timing 12 degrees.

Jeff, sorry to gang up on you but give me a link to the Revo E05 problems? Below you'll see the link to your post about the 250CHP from a GIAC X chip, that alone you lost me on credibility. Jeff if you're up for it I'll run any B6 A4 GIAC car you have X, XR, K04 on 100 octane as well. Name the time and place we'll see which chip performs better, let's throw them on a Vag as well and see how much timing you're pulling back. Another note I have no problem with you defending GIAC, but they don't have the same ability that Revo has or APR for that matter that's just a fact, what more can GIAC's mobile tuner do than an SPS3 or lemmiwinks can do? I heard they purchased the flash software from Europe? Is this true? Garret's a genious but he doesn't know what Frank knows. Secondly on your website you claim the S4 Revo car at Dubwars was hitting 2.2 bar, where did you get that info? I can tell you it just recently ran a 11.7, can you hit that with an S4, or is that a bad subject? Good day.

http://forums.audiworld.com/a4gen2/msgs/584836.phtml

I think you have me and the other Jeff confused.

Why all this animosity? There is enough room for all of us.

We beat the Revo car the day we showed up at Dubwars with year old software and less hardware.

It went out weeks later and ran faster. Good.

Buy it. I have many, many happy clients. And it seems that you are happy with your choices. No need to bash anyone else for thinking differently.

Jeff Moss