RS3 FACELIFT vs BMW M2

[Crowlski]

We have maybe the first(?) Track battle between the two right here. Considering that the newer RS3 hasn't been fully available yet, it might help those of you still on the fence on what to get. Disclaimer: The M2 has a tuner box (Dahler?) they said was disabled, and it looks like it's lowered, too. But I think this shows that we need that flash tune ASAP!

Overall, if you can stand the silly giggling, the video is somewhat informative. Enjoy!

https://youtu.be/38Eq-DSpXCc?si=p5Czny5NqhylWK5h

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[IanCH]

Lowered suspension is a port installed BMW option on the M2.

Would love to see one of the channels with better drivers take on this test. We all know what Chris Harris thinks of the M2 ;)

[Heat00]

This is a lot more like real world , stock vs stock without a burnout first lol.

https://youtu.be/Lb52RkXJlIY?si=mIjQgGsIc9JXamDM

I have both sitting In the driveway as we speak and our m2 can’t beat our rs3 from a stop because of traction. Maybe at a drag strip yes, but my hellcat had the same problem, in the real world you don’t get to do a burnout first lol. You know how many frustrating times I got tried but just spun through 1st, 2nd, and sometimes 3rd lol . From a higher speed roll was a different story and I can feel the extra power in our M, it just can’t launch very well without awd.

They are very different cars, and I love the way the m drives and the silky smooth s58, but it’s a 2 door which I hate and I have a problem with BMW cars, their seating position is very low and my short old a$$ cannot get it set right lol. My son is 6’3 and has no issues.

[Heat00]

3.2.25 rs3 m2.jpg

This is from a few days ago lol. Both amazing cars actually … can’t go wrong with either one… although at the end of the day there’s no replacement for displacement … once Rolling you can feel the extra power of the extra cylinder and extra turbo

[S3DUDE]

If you follow me here I tried to get a M3 18 months ago. I went to trade my 8V RS3 and the BMW dealer did not want to accept my 27k mile (low mile 2018 RS3). At the time there were 12 people ahead of me for a M3. A few months later finally the M2 was going to be available but I already pre-traded my 8V RS3 for a 8Y RS3. One of the reasons was the high trade-in value and the second reason because there was going to be (again) a list of people ahead of me for an order of a M2 and the dealer wouldn't have a definite build date.

I always maintained that the S58 engine is one step above the DAZA, two turbos, more displacement, 1 extra cylinder and fully forged engine. I also love the M2 looks but I will leave this in blank because it is just a personal opinion and subjective to each person's own opinion. The "flaw" that I find on the M2 is the weight, not too nimble at 3800lbs. Also, some options are expensive, a decently optioned M2 can go easily $6000-$10000. If I ever have a total loss on my turbo blue I would absolutely dive in for a M2 with the upcoming X drive. It is a Porsche performance at 60% of the cost. What I don't like is that I heard that BMW now can go $220/h+ for maintenance and the S58 doesn't have much room to work on it. On that matter I think that the DAZA is way more mechanic friendly.

[Crowlski]

This is a lot more like real world , stock vs stock without a burnout first lol.

https://youtu.be/Lb52RkXJlIY?si=mIjQgGsIc9JXamDM

I have both sitting In the driveway as we speak and our m2 can’t beat our rs3 from a stop because of traction. Maybe at a drag strip yes, but my hellcat had the same problem, in the real world you don’t get to do a burnout first lol. You know how many frustrating times I got tried but just spun through 1st, 2nd, and sometimes 3rd lol . From a higher speed roll was a different story and I can feel the extra power in our M, it just can’t launch very well without awd.

They are very different cars, and I love the way the m drives and the silky smooth s58, but it’s a 2 door which I hate and I have a problem with BMW cars, their seating position is very low and my short old a$$ cannot get it set right lol. My son is 6’3 and has no issues.

Lol. I think that like someone else said, the drivers sucked in this vid. If you watch the first race the RS3 looks like it bogged or the driver was too busy clipping his toe nails instead of lunching the thing.

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[Heat00]

If you follow me here I tried to get a M3 18 months ago. I went to trade my 8V RS3 and the BMW dealer did not want to accept my 27k mile (low mile 2018 RS3). At the time there were 12 people ahead of me for a M3. A few months later finally the M2 was going to be available but I already pre-traded my 8V RS3 for a 8Y RS3. One of the reasons was the high trade-in value and the second reason because there was going to be (again) a list of people ahead of me for an order of a M2 and the dealer wouldn't have a definite build date.

I always maintained that the S58 engine is one step above the DAZA, two turbos, more displacement, 1 extra cylinder and fully forged engine. I also love the M2 looks but I will leave this in blank because it is just a personal opinion and subjective to each person's own opinion. The "flaw" that I find on the M2 is the weight, not too nimble at 3800lbs. Also, some options are expensive, a decently optioned M2 can go easily $6000-$10000. If I ever have a total loss on my turbo blue I would absolutely dive in for a M2 with the upcoming X drive. It is a Porsche performance at 60% of the cost. What I don't like is that I heard that BMW now can go $220/h+ for maintenance and the S58 doesn't have much room to work on it. On that matter I think that the DAZA is way more mechanic friendly.

this is crazy, it would turn me off too... after deciding to part with a lot of cash then they tell us sorry 12 people come before you for allocation. my dealer did tell me it takes over 12 months from them anyhow, but they were willing to build me my m2 with no wait, and about a week before I placed the order I found a 24 locally with 1000 miles the exact spec as we were going to build... got lucky I guess... this was september last year so who knows if the market is different now lol.

if the m2 had 4 doors I would have gotten it over the rs3, but then I guess it would be an M3 lol... and to me the price difference changes things. m2 and rs3 are the same price, at least when I bought both in september, m3 is no where near 70k. I cant even find a used one for below 80k (late model and low mileage with auto)... yes I look at the time just in case something crazy pops up like in the other thread here (forgot his name but he found an insane x3m british green build).

all that being said, i am happy with my rs3... but since I use them as daily and for work, at least 25=30k/year, i try to swap out at least before warranty ends and before it tanks in value with crazy mileage, which is less than 2 years so I'm always planning what is next hahah... if I had to make that choice today, I'm not sure what I would do. in my mind if I had to get something today, I think it would be one of these:

new rs3 (if they ever appear lol)
rs6 avant (if I could afford it)
rs5 (maybe, I don't know much about this one, perhaps pre owned so semi affordable but then at those numbers it brings me to the next choice lol)
x3m or m3 (pre owned if reasonably price and low mileage)
ct4v (not thrilled about caddy or v6 but it is interesting based on what I've seen)
charger (if it gets a v8 back by then as I'm just not sure I can swallow the I6TT from dodge lol)
dark horse (but man 2 doors is tough when you're my age, and then if a 2 door, how could I not get the m2 over a dark horse haha!)

there really aren't a lot of great choices out there today.

I don't even know what else I would buy today, there are so few choices

[Crowlski]

this is crazy, it would turn me off too... after deciding to part with a lot of cash then they tell us sorry 12 people come before you for allocation. my dealer did tell me it takes over 12 months from them anyhow, but they were willing to build me my m2 with no wait, and about a week before I placed the order I found a 24 locally with 1000 miles the exact spec as we were going to build... got lucky I guess... this was september last year so who knows if the market is different now lol.

if the m2 had 4 doors I would have gotten it over the rs3, but then I guess it would be an M3 lol... and to me the price difference changes things. m2 and rs3 are the same price, at least when I bought both in september, m3 is no where near 70k. I cant even find a used one for below 80k (late model and low mileage with auto)... yes I look at the time just in case something crazy pops up like in the other thread here (forgot his name but he found an insane x3m british green build).

all that being said, i am happy with my rs3... but since I use them as daily and for work, at least 25=30k/year, i try to swap out at least before warranty ends and before it tanks in value with crazy mileage, which is less than 2 years so I'm always planning what is next hahah... if I had to make that choice today, I'm not sure what I would do. in my mind if I had to get something today, I think it would be one of these:

new rs3 (if they ever appear lol)
rs6 avant (if I could afford it)
rs5 (maybe, I don't know much about this one, perhaps pre owned so semi affordable but then at those numbers it brings me to the next choice lol)
x3m or m3 (pre owned if reasonably price and low mileage)
ct4v (not thrilled about caddy or v6 but it is interesting based on what I've seen)
charger (if it gets a v8 back by then as I'm just not sure I can swallow the I6TT from dodge lol)
dark horse (but man 2 doors is tough when you're my age, and then if a 2 door, how could I not get the m2 over a dark horse haha!)

there really aren't a lot of great choices out there today.

I don't even know what else I would buy today, there are so few choices

Not sure if you ever watch these guys but they are in NJ and deal a lot of used G80 M3s and older ones too. They seem fair:
https://youtu.be/My3bQtwf1KI?si=aQFDOioPCjou9-n4
There are too many choices, right??
What you are saying I can relate to.
It was tough for me to consider the M2. I was not a fan of the exterior. But reading previous posts about how much the M2 is a better driver's car coupled with my frustration with the wait for the 8.5Y, I went on BMW and started looking at the M2. Instead tho, I started "building" the M3 on the configurator. I saw the cost and payments vs what I am paying now... The rest is history. But none of that happens if Audi doesn't drunkenly reveal they are coming out with a facelifted RS3 only to make the States wait 6 + months and counting without the possibility of ordering one.

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[Heat00]

Not sure if you ever watch these guys but they are in NJ and deal a lot of used G80 M3s and older ones too. They seem fair:
https://youtu.be/My3bQtwf1KI?si=aQFDOioPCjou9-n4
There are too many choices, right??
What you are saying I can relate to.
It was tough for me to consider the M2. I was not a fan of the exterior. But reading previous posts about how much the M2 is a better driver's car coupled with my frustration with the wait for the 8.5Y, I went on BMW and started looking at the M2. Instead tho, I started "building" the M3 on the configurator. I saw the cost and payments vs what I am paying now... The rest is history. But none of that happens if Audi doesn't drunkenly reveal they are coming out with a facelifted RS3 only to make the States wait 6 + months and counting without the possibility of ordering one.

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exactly.. and I'll check them out. there are some m3's here from time to time but from some shady looking places that I would not buy from, at least not a car like an m3... but I'm in s. fla. so you have to watch out down here LOL.. everyone is out to get you here

[Crowlski]

exactly.. and I'll check them out. there are some m3's here from time to time but from some shady looking places that I would not buy from, at least not a car like an m3... but I'm in s. fla. so you have to watch out down here LOL.. everyone is out to get you here

Dude the crooks are everywhere. The BS that even franchised dealers pull is also nonsense. There's one place on LI NY that wanted to charge me $10k over sticker for my M3. Told him to kiss my Lilly white a$$. I don't need it that bad for one, and two, these morons don't think you'll shop out of State.

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[Heat00]

Dude the crooks are everywhere. The BS that even franchised dealers pull is also nonsense. There's one place on LI NY that wanted to charge me $10k over sticker for my M3. Told him to kiss my Lilly white a$$. I don't need it that bad for one, and two, these morons don't think you'll shop out of State.

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jeez... 10k over LOL... I guess they try and someone out there might do it but yea I hear ya... just seems all the crooks come down here and gather LOL.... welcome to Miami!

I've had some bad experiences here, even with legit/large dealers... in my younger time I bought an infiniti fx whatever at the time it was hot stuff lol...slightly pre owned, day 2 white smoke coming out of the exhaust, I go back and they tell me its fine no big deal, long story short 2 hours later I forced the salesman in the car and took him to inifiniti dealer to service, to find out the car had zero oil and even though it should have been under warranty mileage wise and time wise, they laughed and said no chance... nissan dealer where I bought it said don't worry, we'll order a new motor and install it for you in a few weeks lol... it took me 3 hours and lots of threats....finally left with a check... that was probably my worst one of them all...

[Crowlski]

jeez... 10k over LOL... I guess they try and someone out there might do it but yea I hear ya... just seems all the crooks come down here and gather LOL.... welcome to Miami!

I've had some bad experiences here, even with legit/large dealers... in my younger time I bought an infiniti fx whatever at the time it was hot stuff lol...slightly pre owned, day 2 white smoke coming out of the exhaust, I go back and they tell me its fine no big deal, long story short 2 hours later I forced the salesman in the car and took him to inifiniti dealer to service, to find out the car had zero oil and even though it should have been under warranty mileage wise and time wise, they laughed and said no chance... nissan dealer where I bought it said don't worry, we'll order a new motor and install it for you in a few weeks lol... it took me 3 hours and lots of threats....finally left with a check... that was probably my worst one of them all...

Wow.. yeah unfortunately they think they can spot an unsuspecting customer to screw over. Glad you got the better end of it.

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[Jetdriver]

Dude the crooks are everywhere. The BS that even franchised dealers pull is also nonsense. There's one place on LI NY that wanted to charge me $10k over sticker for my M3. Told him to kiss my Lilly white a$$. I don't need it that bad for one, and two, these morons don't think you'll shop out of State.

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For every smart person who shops out of state, there are at least two that'll walk in and pay the premium. There's a reason why they do it.

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[Crowlski]

For every smart person who shops out of state, there are at least two that'll walk in and pay the premium. There's a reason why they do it.

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Yep. And I was one of them. I shamelessly admit. Then I realized you can buy from anywhere from the comfort of your own home if you are willing to either travel or have it shipped.

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[Jetdriver]

Yep. And I was one of them. I shamelessly admit. Then I realized you can buy from anywhere from the comfort of your own home if you are willing to either travel or have it shipped.

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Eh... well, it's only money.

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[Crowlski]

Eh... well, it's only money.

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True... I need more of it please

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[Heat00]

LOL... i was young but not stupid thankfully I got out of that mess ... that being said we sure do get smarter as we get older at least from the standpoint of these type mistakes... there is an m3 just listed nearby in orange (sweet looking) listed at 116k MSRP.. this is nuts... but I agree.. someone will walk in, fall in love, and lose a boatload of money owning that sucker as the first owner... That's nearing what I paid for both of my cars the rs3 an m2, both 2024 and basically brand new... i like my deal better hahah..

[Crowlski]

LOL... i was young but not stupid thankfully I got out of that mess ... that being said we sure do get smarter as we get older at least from the standpoint of these type mistakes... there is an m3 just listed nearby in orange (sweet looking) listed at 116k MSRP.. this is nuts... but I agree.. someone will walk in, fall in love, and lose a boatload of money owning that sucker as the first owner... That's nearing what I paid for both of my cars the rs3 an m2, both 2024 and basically brand new... i like my deal better hahah..

Geezzz 116k? Has to have everything optioned right? Cc brakes?? Is it a CS?

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[Heat00]

https://www.bmwoffortlauderdale.com/...3hj05sfu28589/

here it is actually just saw it last night, stopped looking when it said 116,695$ lol

it is a sweet looking color, this and a few of the blues & greens are insane.. but still..

[Crowlski]

https://www.bmwoffortlauderdale.com/...3hj05sfu28589/

here it is actually just saw it last night, stopped looking when it said 116,695$ lol

it is a sweet looking color, this and a few of the blues & greens are insane.. but still..

It has Cc brakes. But the cf buckets aren't in anything specific fabric wise.

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[Jetdriver]

To each his own. IMO that's a hideous color. One of the nicest colors (not special order), is Dravit Grey.

[TheContrarian]

My only comment is the RS3 steering wheel and dash look like something out of a base model Jetta that mated with a Tesla.

[Crowlski]

To each his own. IMO that's a hideous color. One of the nicest colors (not special order), is Dravit Grey.

Yeah with the orange/black leather cf buckets that car looks sick

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[RudyH]

Lol. I think that like someone else said, the drivers sucked in this vid. If you watch the first race the RS3 looks like it bogged or the driver was too busy clipping his toe nails instead of lunching the thing.

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well it's like when most people on this forum drag racing, mind you I think we are all professional drivers right?

realistically though, the S58 is better that the DAZA, even the B58 isn't too shabby. Factor in that the M2 is RWD, 6MT and probably the best 'drivers car' BMW makes today, I mean you can't go wrong, it will be more desirable then a RS3 that's for sure.

Even the chassis (and brakes) that is shared with the M3/M4 is worth something. I think once the M2 gets the xDrive option, it becomes that much more interesting. Regardless best coupe for the money, and I wish the 2-series 'Gran Coupe' was less Mini and more BMW. It is such a waste of metal, and could have been so much better.

[Heat00]

agree with most of the comments...

also I'll still stick to my opinion that these are not really truly comparable simply because one is coupe and one is a sedan... at least for me, coupe is not even a consideration... it all worked out as my son didn't care and after my test drive with him of the rs3 & m2, I went back and bought the rs3 for myself. I would have not bought an m2 for myself... for me I would have to go to the m3 which even without the unnecessary options, is still going to be about 20k more and a hassle with waiting/allocation etc. that price difference on a 70k car to me makes it not comparable.

so really, the rs3 doesn't have much true competition in my opinion.... maybe the ct4v? even that is a good chunk more $$.. what else 4 door is really comparable to the rs3? it's got a good niche actually at the 70k price point, being 4 door, running sub 12's factory, able to set ring records (for sub compact), and it can still cruise on the highway getting 30+ mpgs with 4 adults and luggage LOL... the m2 cannot do that, no human can sit in the back of the m2 LOL... I've tried... at least not behind a normal sized human lol.

In fact for me, not most people, the scat it replaced was more comparable or competition... both 4 doors, fun, fast, and can haul people and stuff. sure the scat was slower, worse handling, and less expensive but I cross shopped them as you can see from my last 2 owned cars. the m2 was not in my thoughts when I bought the rs3, even after buying my son an m2 a few weeks prior lol. not to say one is better than the other, just saying they are very different purposed cars in my opinion.

[Jetdriver]

One is on PZero R's and the other on Pilot Sports. Put both on the same tire.

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[IanCH]

It's absolutely wild that audi gets away with mag tests and stats taken with trofeo R tires on the car. The track specific tires that might last for 7k miles of road driving... if you put any other car on those tires you are dropping 5sec+ off the lap times.

[yukoncornelius]

agree with most of the comments...

also I'll still stick to my opinion that these are not really truly comparable simply because one is coupe and one is a sedan... at least for me, coupe is not even a consideration... it all worked out as my son didn't care and after my test drive with him of the rs3 & m2, I went back and bought the rs3 for myself. I would have not bought an m2 for myself... for me I would have to go to the m3 which even without the unnecessary options, is still going to be about 20k more and a hassle with waiting/allocation etc. that price difference on a 70k car to me makes it not comparable.

so really, the rs3 doesn't have much true competition in my opinion.... maybe the ct4v? even that is a good chunk more $$.. what else 4 door is really comparable to the rs3? it's got a good niche actually at the 70k price point, being 4 door, running sub 12's factory, able to set ring records (for sub compact), and it can still cruise on the highway getting 30+ mpgs with 4 adults and luggage LOL... the m2 cannot do that, no human can sit in the back of the m2 LOL... I've tried... at least not behind a normal sized human lol.

In fact for me, not most people, the scat it replaced was more comparable or competition... both 4 doors, fun, fast, and can haul people and stuff. sure the scat was slower, worse handling, and less expensive but I cross shopped them as you can see from my last 2 owned cars. the m2 was not in my thoughts when I bought the rs3, even after buying my son an m2 a few weeks prior lol. not to say one is better than the other, just saying they are very different purposed cars in my opinion.

Since you own both - and I owned 8v, 8y, X3M, and now m340... can you agree that the factory bmw tuning on the ZF trans is WAY better than the audi's dsg box? To me that is the largest difference. The rs3's dsg is very clunky around town in lower gears. The zf is just tuned perfectly in each mode and matches so well to the s58 (or b58 in the m340 case). When I got my x3m I was truly shocked how much better the drivability was. I really hope audi changes the oem TCU tuning on the 8.5y. It also sounds like they made the exhaust or fake noises spicier... which is also much needed from the 8y. BMW cars just feel more properly developed and tilted towards fun performance from the factory.

I do agree the rs3 with its awd and price, sits at an almost uncontested spot - most people who want awd, simply want awd. Now its my 2nd car so I don't care, hence me looking at an M2.

[NapalmEnema]

[Heat00]

Since you own both - and I owned 8v, 8y, X3M, and now m340... can you agree that the factory bmw tuning on the ZF trans is WAY better than the audi's dsg box? To me that is the largest difference. The rs3's dsg is very clunky around town in lower gears. The zf is just tuned perfectly in each mode and matches so well to the s58 (or b58 in the m340 case). When I got my x3m I was truly shocked how much better the drivability was. I really hope audi changes the oem TCU tuning on the 8.5y. It also sounds like they made the exhaust or fake noises spicier... which is also much needed from the 8y. BMW cars just feel more properly developed and tilted towards fun performance from the factory.

I do agree the rs3 with its awd and price, sits at an almost uncontested spot - most people who want awd, simply want awd. Now its my 2nd car so I don't care, hence me looking at an M2.

100%. I wrote a bunch of stuff about the transmission in a post somewhere here recently. some had not idea what I was describing but I definitely agree about the clunkiness and sounds at low speeds and rpms etc. that being said, I think it bothers me a little less lately maybe since I expect it now haha I'm not sure. I did notice it today. I'm going in for my 20k service next week and even though the manual says the front diff fluid should be changed only if inspection calls for it, I'm probably going to do it unless they rape me on price. that always helped a little with my clunky LSD in my hellcat and scat packs. I would also agree if the back doors aren't needed, then the m2 as a second or weekend car could be great. I should have clarified I was thinking more of an only car/daily situation. I really can't have a 2 door as my main car, even though my son drives there is always someone that needs to go back there, and the dog, or really putting any stuff in the back of the m2 is a royal pain, if that's not an issue then it's different. It also has a real traction problem not only from a stop even at low to semi low speeds (not that it's always a bad thing :) and yes the s58 and drivetrain are WAY smoother, stronger and feel more "refined" than the rs3 but I'm starting to learn that this is what makes the rs3 the rs3, it's the rs3's character and it is a fun car. I don't need AWD but it sure comes in handy if/when you want to launch WOT or punch it in a corner where my hellcat would have been off a cliff.... this sucker grabs and you should, and have to, give it throttle early in the turn with this car it seems... which also takes some getting used to. I've been programed for so long to do the opposite because If I drove my cat or even the scat like the rs3, I would not be here today lol...

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[Heat00]

I am also not really too qualified to say too much about the m2... it is technically my car, but my son's daily and I don't really drive it much, if at all really... on rare occasion he takes the rs if he needs a real seat but it's not often. I might have to swap with him for a few days so I can really get to know the M a little better ... I mean it's important research and opinions needed for my friends here..... how can he say no LOL

[bokiboki]

...and yes the s58 and drivetrain are WAY smoother, stronger and feel more "refined" than the rs3 but I'm starting to learn that this is what makes the rs3 the rs3, it's the rs3's character and it is a fun car. I don't need AWD but it sure comes in handy if/when you want to launch WOT or punch it in a corner where my hellcat would have been off a cliff.... this sucker grabs and you should, and have to, give it throttle early in the turn with this car it seems... which also takes some getting used to. I've been programed for so long to do the opposite because If I drove my cat or even the scat like the rs3, I would not be here today lol...

Agree 100%...I also don't need the AWD but as I'm getting older, it just gives me extra peace of mind in case I step on it full throttle in non-ideal conditions. Can't afford for a RWD car to do me like this:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DHVUT...djMmx0a2dkbjg2

Be carefull out there all.

[IanCH]

Eh, there was something very wrong there. Car definitely running far over stock power and driving around with the TC off.

Heat, what tires do you have where traction is such an issue on the M2? I seem to recall they are not summers but might be thinking of someone else.

[Crowlski]

Agree 100%...I also don't need the AWD but as I'm getting older, it just gives me extra peace of mind in case I step on it full throttle in non-ideal conditions. Can't afford for a RWD car to do me like this:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DHVUT...djMmx0a2dkbjg2

Be carefull out there all.

Yup. Same boat. Tho I love the playfulness of a RWD car (I had a Mustang bitd) I just can't pass up on the ability to get on the throttle in turns and feel the car hunker down and bite the road. I think AWD is a game changer. And the M3 in that vid either was a base RWD model or if its a comp xdrive he stupidly put it on the most aggressive setting that puts 100% of the power to the rear. Either way he FAFO'd.

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[Heat00]

Agree 100%...I also don't need the AWD but as I'm getting older, it just gives me extra peace of mind in case I step on it full throttle in non-ideal conditions. Can't afford for a RWD car to do me like this:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DHVUT...djMmx0a2dkbjg2

Be carefull out there all.

OMG, I just saw this last night too and sent it to my son... to remind him to be careful LOL... the good thing for me is my son learned to drive and spent a lot of seat time in my scat pack and then hellcat.... and those are the kings of losing traction lol... but I agree also it would be a lot less likely something like this happens to the rs3... love having AWD too just for these reasons

[Heat00]

Eh, there was something very wrong there. Car definitely running far over stock power and driving around with the TC off.

Heat, what tires do you have where traction is such an issue on the M2? I seem to recall they are not summers but might be thinking of someone else.

I don't remember what they came with... they were the oem summers and it didn't matter, even from day 1. now I put the conti dws06 and yes I know AS are not as good traction wise but it made zero difference. at least this way I get some tread life as I've never had any summer go beyond about 13-15k and after about 5-6k they lose traction.. ive tested a lot of them... the only one I didn't try which I would consider is the michelin ps4s or whatever they are.. I heard you get much better tread life while still getting summer compound traction... they are expensive too... but like I said, even day 1 with new summer tires it didn't help. in my experience, when you have a RWD car with tons of power, no tire really makes much difference. I tried just about every tire on my 5 scat packs and none of them made a bit of difference. I had indy 500's, conti summers, general summers, cooper summers, bridgestone summers just that I can remember off hand. I finally went to AS's and at least got double the life since no tire gave traction what's the difference in that case lol.... all that being said, the only car I've ever owned that I actually noticed any real difference believe it or not is in the rs3. I had the oem summer bridgestones and now I have the dws06 and honestly I do feel a little more 'sway' in corners... but no difference in traction off the line etc. and I'm never going to a track or pushing it that far into corners so who cares...

[Heat00]

Yup. Same boat. Tho I love the playfulness of a RWD car (I had a Mustang bitd) I just can't pass up on the ability to get on the throttle in turns and feel the car hunker down and bite the road. I think AWD is a game changer. And the M3 in that vid either was a base RWD model or if its a comp xdrive he stupidly put it on the most aggressive setting that puts 100% of the power to the rear. Either way he FAFO'd.

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I don't remember but I assume you ordered the xdrive one? m3 with AWD is probably the best of all worlds ! yes, I'm still jealous if you can't tell LOL.... I'll have to live through you my friend on this one hahah

[IanCH]

I don't mean this in an insulting way, as we all have different experiences in life.

If you don't notice any difference between a PS4S caliber tire and DWS06 then you probably should spend some time at the track with instruction. Also, how you apply the throttle matters a lot and I see a lot of RWD cars in your history, so I assume you know that.

[Crowlski]

I don't remember but I assume you ordered the xdrive one? m3 with AWD is probably the best of all worlds ! yes, I'm still jealous if you can't tell LOL.... I'll have to live through you my friend on this one hahah

Yep. Comp xdrive. Can't wait!! Thanks.

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[Heat00]

I don't mean this in an insulting way, as we all have different experiences in life.

If you don't notice any difference between a PS4S caliber tire and DWS06 then you probably should spend some time at the track with instruction. Also, how you apply the throttle matters a lot and I see a lot of RWD cars in your history, so I assume you know that.

not taken in an insulting way... maybe I should have clarified....for normal street driving, it really makes no difference. at least on all the tires and cars I went through. I have no desire to take my car to track nor will I ever so outside of that, I see zero benefit to a summer over an AS. I had a 22 hellcat and ran all seasons and they had no more or less traction than a summer, the only difference being the summers lasted half as long. again, clearly on a track I would agree... I guess I bought the wrong car eh? LOL

If anything the all seasons did better in wet weather. Every summer tire I had lasted half as long so essentially they are double the price with no benefit for normal or street driving.