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RudeBwoi
10-09-2006, 07:57 PM
I been hearing alot lately that the GT2X wasnt that great of a turbo and to stay away from it. The problem is that kind of turbo is exactly what i want, something better than k04 but not ELIM. There hasnt been much talk about them, and the forum reset made it impossible for user input to be searched. I just wanna know why i should and shouldnt buy a GT2X. Thanks

Neo1130
10-09-2006, 08:19 PM
Because you want the GT2871r is why... More power...

BranCKY3
10-09-2006, 08:33 PM
Originally posted by RudeBwoi
I been hearing alot lately that the GT2X wasnt that great of a turbo and to stay away from it. The problem is that kind of turbo is exactly what i want, something better than k04 but not ELIM. There hasnt been much talk about them, and the forum reset made it impossible for user input to be searched. I just wanna know why i should and shouldnt buy a GT2X. Thanks

It's not that it's not a good turbo, but for a few hundred dollars more you could get almost 100hp more, so why not? It will be a lot better than a k04 for sure, and the GT2x is an elim so dunno what you mean by 'but not ELIM'. The only downside of the turbo besides the power output is that it isn't watercooled like the GTRS and 71r.

RudeBwoi
10-09-2006, 08:38 PM
yea, i realized after i wrote it that i didnt mean to say it wasnt an elim, just wasnt as popular. As wierd as it sounds to some of you, alot of us dont want to be balls out fast to run 12's, we just wanna have a little more torque and hp to put a smile on our faces every once in a while, and mayb mid 13's [drive] . But i do see where your comin from bran. How is it cooled if not watercooled, and whats its advantage?

BranCKY3
10-09-2006, 08:45 PM
It only has oil lines, no coolant lines so you have to connect the coolant feed (stock line) to the block (normally coolant return from turbo). You just have to be careful and let it warm up / cool down properly or else you might have some overheating issues, ie. coking of oil in the lines.

TQMB5
10-09-2006, 09:00 PM
but you are already droping the money on front mount intercooler and upgraded clutch, plus all the other bt stuff, so why not do it right the first time and have the extra power, its not like the gtrs spools that much slower then the gt2x, and if you dont want all the power then just set your boost at 16 or 17 psi

RudeBwoi
10-09-2006, 09:34 PM
Well i wasnt planning on making a racecar, i just wanted something a little more fun, that retained some refinement, that lets say i let my friend or parent drive, would still be subdued. Mayb ill just k04 it and call it quits...

Re5pectThe_Cuz
10-09-2006, 10:08 PM
you dont have to run it at full boost at all times. keep that in mind. esp if you get a manual boost controller

BranCKY3
10-09-2006, 10:32 PM
Originally posted by RudeBwoi
As wierd as it sounds to some of you, alot of us dont want to be balls out fast to run 12's, we just wanna have a little more torque and hp to put a smile on our faces every once in a while, and mayb mid 13's [drive]

My 2871r on 11psi kicks my old k04's ass. It sees 11psi by like 3400rpm, it's not that bad and it's smoooooooth.

But I run mine at 23psi daily [:D]

dukez
10-09-2006, 10:32 PM
I keep on reading about all these better turbos, more powerful turbos threads left and right, but who is providing the software/tuning for all these turbos??

BzeB5A4
10-09-2006, 10:33 PM
From what i've read most people are using the ATP/Mika tuning or Unitronics or now C.Tapp's tuning.
It all depends on what you want out of the turbos.

BranCKY3
10-09-2006, 10:33 PM
Originally posted by dukez
I keep on reading about all these better turbos, more powerful turbos threads left and right, but who is providing the software/tuning for all these turbos??

Unitronics, TappAuto, standalone, EPL, I myself am running a tweaked GIAC file.

Poopie
10-09-2006, 10:37 PM
the problem is that the gt2x has crappy tuning. I hear some people are happy running k04 pc16 software on it though. Go balls out with gt71rs.

r0n
10-09-2006, 11:40 PM
Originally posted by RudeBwoi
Well i wasnt planning on making a racecar, i just wanted something a little more fun, that retained some refinement, that lets say i let my friend or parent drive, would still be subdued. Mayb ill just k04 it and call it quits...

No K04 is a waste of money. I hate my K04, sometimes I feel like I have a K03s. Get the GT28, that's what you call a turbo upgrade. Btw, the K04 uses the same housing as the K03.

94jedi
10-10-2006, 06:33 AM
The GT2X is not a bad turbo at all. It's meant to be a step up from the k04. If all you want i s a little more power than a k04, go for the GT2X. It spools fast and is slightly torquier than the k04. Make sure you get good s/w for it though. Unitronic or CTapp would be my suggestions.

Personally, I would not be happy with that power level but it sounds like your goals are diffenent than mine.

RudeBwoi
10-10-2006, 07:02 AM
Originally posted by 94jedi
The GT2X is not a bad turbo at all. It's meant to be a step up from the k04. If all you want i s a little more power than a k04, go for the GT2X. It spools fast and is slightly torquier than the k04. Make sure you get good s/w for it though. Unitronic or CTapp would be my suggestions.

Personally, I would not be happy with that power level but it sounds like your goals are diffenent than mine.

I see what your sayin Jedi. I just think alot of people feel like if its not balls to the wall, its not a turbo upgrade. Problem is, people dont want a rocket when they need to let their girl borrow their car with a stage 2 clutch, or driving their kids around town in a 12 second car etc. Ill prob look into what emil or giac can do for tuning of it, even tho that watercooled situation kinda makes me apprehensive to that turbo now.

94jedi
10-10-2006, 07:26 AM
Rude, you ultimately have to decide what's best suited to your needs and wants. For comparison, I have a t3/t4(larger than a non-elim 2871r) and my car is totally streetable. In fact, I get BETTER gas mileage now than when I was kO3 chipped because I'm rarely in boost due to the later boost threshold. My car idles pretty near stock, considering the 630 cc injectors. It seriously drives like 1.8L Toyota Tercel until you hit boost. It's very docile. Even my Stg 5 SB clutch is stock like in pedal feel. The only thing I would say that makes my car a bit uncivilized is the smell. I have no cat right now. I plan to fix that since I'm keeping this car for several years and I don't want my kids(when I have some) gettitng sick with fumes.

k0mpresd
10-10-2006, 07:42 AM
my 30r is streetable

MR VTEC
10-10-2006, 07:50 AM
my k03 is beatable...

sean1.8t
10-10-2006, 08:00 AM
you don't have to get the 71r but at least get the 28RS. after all the time, money and stress of installing the GT2x you'll be kicking yourself for not upgrading.. but maybe the KO4 would be best with your intentions. the KO4 is really torquey but it dies out after like 4-5k rpm. the Garrett doesn't

Poopie
10-10-2006, 08:12 AM
with exhaust and pc16 tuning the k04 will pull from 3-6k and taper to redline.

lude2euroa4
10-10-2006, 08:14 AM
vtec had 13's in his basement and sold it! what an idiot! good, good more for you and me (will pharell, wedding crashers)

im going bt, i plan on going pes t28 w/ programming, i dont know how much mani/oil lines/inlet pipe/ custom intake will run me

i need some bitter/jedi/kompressed/brancky advice right about now

MR VTEC
10-10-2006, 08:27 AM
I didn't sell it, silly wabbit... [:p]
I'm just finishing up some maintenance i had to take care of.
And I install a good 80% of what was in my basement. [up]
I try not to talk about it because my life makes me depressed, I have a high maintenance girl friend that needs to start giving my car some damn gifts now. [mad]
I want it in by thanksgiving, I see this a realistic goal, my budget appears to me more permitting now, than before. I was going to Jamaica for thanksgiving but eff it I need some speed in my whip.
Bitter is the man to contact to set you up with your desired HP goals and budget.

Eurotuned and jedi along with many other has one BT before me. I just wanted to make sure I fixed the little things like wheel bearings, sensors, upgrading the suspension and strenghtening the drivetrain to support the new found power of the BT.

94jedi
10-10-2006, 08:37 AM
Originally posted by lude2euroa4
vtec had 13's in his basement and sold it! what an idiot! good, good more for you and me (will pharell, wedding crashers)

im going bt, i plan on going pes t28 w/ programming, i dont know how much mani/oil lines/inlet pipe/ custom intake will run me

i need some bitter/jedi/kompressed/brancky advice right about now

Lude, don't worry. The guru's will take care of you just like they helped me and the countless others that went BT before me. Just post up when you're ready to make the BT change and we'll all help you through the process. if it's one thing the guru's have shown, it's that they're more than willing and able to help out. [up]

VTEC, I hear you about the maintenance and supporting mods for the BT. I did just about everything before going BT except for brakes! Now I'm seeing I have a serious need for a BBK.

MR VTEC
10-10-2006, 08:45 AM
Jedi how about the a8 rotor tt caliper upgrade?
I was thinking about that if i needed them when the time came.

94jedi
10-10-2006, 08:51 AM
Originally posted by MR VTEC
Jedi how about the a8 rotor tt caliper upgrade?
I was thinking about that if i needed them when the time came.

yeah, I may do that or save up a little more for the ECS BBK that audisnapr has. I was in the car with him during h20 when he did a 80-0 brake test. his car is far heavier than mine yet it stopped on a freaking dime w/o lock up. no drama at all. that setup is awesome. hopefully he'll chime in here shortly.

MR VTEC
10-10-2006, 08:55 AM
I thought that the ecs bbk had a flaw in one of the brackets (if not both) [confused]
Yeah, with me everything is budget oriented so a8 rotors and tt calipers are going to have to do it for me.

94jedi
10-10-2006, 08:58 AM
Believe me VTEC, I'm the same way. I'm all about budget so more than likely, I'll do the A8 upgrade as well.

k0mpresd
10-10-2006, 10:21 AM
Originally posted by 94jedi
I have a t3/t4(larger than a non-elim 2871r)
a 50 trim and a 2871r flow right @ the same amount of air...all ~45lbs/min

94jedi
10-10-2006, 10:25 AM
Originally posted by k0mpresd
a 50 trim and a 2871r flow right @ the same amount of air...all ~45lbs/min

really? I was under the impression it was closer to a 3071. Maybe that's a 57 trim?

k0mpresd
10-10-2006, 10:33 AM
3071 prob flows a touch more air than a 50

the 3076r is pretty comparable to a 57 trim till you start turning up the boost

youve got a .48 a/r turbine too so that might take a touch away from the top end as well

http://cheapturbo.stores.yahoo.net/gat350trw48.html

theres several different chra's for a 2871r.. http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbobygarrett/catelog/Turbochargers/GT28/GT2871R_472560_15.htm

3071r looks to flow ~48lbs/min...very small differences between the 3

RudeBwoi
10-11-2006, 12:25 PM
thanks for the input fellas. I guess i gotta atleast count the cost of running a 3071 now, even tho its a big jump from my k04 aspirations.

a4rings
10-11-2006, 01:39 PM
k0mpresd how do you think your car would compare to a stage 3 s4 on the street on pump and then high octane on both?

Don Supreme
10-11-2006, 01:51 PM
A guy (Shindo) that used to post on this board ran 13.1 with his GT2X.

k0mpresd
10-11-2006, 01:59 PM
Originally posted by a4rings
k0mpresd how do you think your car would compare to a stage 3 s4 on the street on pump and then high octane on both?
there are 2 awe/giac stg 3 w/ fueling kits in my area

the highest dyno for one was 388awhp

they average around 350-360awhp

my car has the potential to do that and more given ive got all my ducks in a row

1/8th mile..theyd beat me everytime..1/4 id stand a chance..all about the driver really...highway pull just depends on whose car is making more power that day...i do have a weight advantage though...but theyre powerband is huge compared to mine

Don Supreme
10-11-2006, 02:41 PM
Just stay in the powerband...

Whats the rev limit on your upsolute chip?

94jedi
10-11-2006, 05:54 PM
Originally posted by k0mpresd
3071 prob flows a touch more air than a 50

the 3076r is pretty comparable to a 57 trim till you start turning up the boost

youve got a .48 a/r turbine too so that might take a touch away from the top end as well

http://cheapturbo.stores.yahoo.net/gat350trw48.html

theres several different chra's for a 2871r.. http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbobygarrett/catelog/Turbochargers/GT28/GT2871R_472560_15.htm

3071r looks to flow ~48lbs/min...very small differences between the 3

thanks for the info [up] looks like I need a bigger BT [:D]

k0mpresd
10-11-2006, 10:23 PM
Originally posted by 94jedi
thanks for the info [up] looks like I need a bigger BT [:D]
um..duh :p