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Poopie
09-20-2006, 04:38 AM
I was gonna install my K04 pc 16 set up tonight but I got offered a sweet ass deal on a gt28rs eliminator with the manifold for a really good price. I just need the rest of the misc hardware and the fueling kit of course. I would also have to upgrade my clutch.

Mods so far
-borla with dp
-adjustable frp
-racetec fmic
-samco hoses
-baileys dv

I will need
-clutch
-some type of boost control
-injectors
-software for the injectors
-BOV

so about 600 for the clutch, 60 for mbc, 100 bov, 250 for injectors, 600 for software, and probably another 300-400 in random crap and beer. so maybe another 2 grand on top of the elim kit. Should I just buy the kit and hang onto it until I get the other supporting mods? How much is the unitronics chip?

iowaboostin
09-20-2006, 04:42 AM
Random Q, sorry I can't help. Is there an abbreviation explanation page somewhere? I've no idea what BT is among many others.

a4cefed
09-20-2006, 04:45 AM
well you have to think abut what that will end up costing for allthe misc. stuff, you will need software which is another 700 bucks alone.

Poopie
09-20-2006, 04:45 AM
BT equals big turbo. Basically everything that is not a stock k03 or k04.

iowaboostin
09-20-2006, 04:48 AM
Originally posted by Poopie
BT equals big turbo. Basically everything that is not a stock k03 or k04.
Thanks.. I also found a list of other abbreviations, the search button is my friend [:D]

Poopie
09-20-2006, 04:49 AM
so unitronics sw is going for 700? I made a little list and my prices don't seem too far. I'm told that the kit i'm looking at is pretty complete. I just need some new gaskets and maybe some coolant and oil lines. Not too bad. The clutch is the only thing really holding me back. I figured I can proably sell my k04 and pc 16 for some nice change.

94jedi
09-20-2006, 04:49 AM
poop, if it's the elim, you shouldn't need the mani. your stock one will work however I'm guessing you're being offered the ATP high flow stock style mani. I would honestly go BT. it will run circles around your pc-16. the pc16 might feel torquier but when it's running out of breath at 5k, the GTRS will still have alot of power on tap. You will need to buy a few other supporting mods but honestly it will be worth it. If you want a good s/w solution for your GTRS that has run 12.60's in a full weight B5 A4, pm me. Otherwise, talk to Emil from REnn-art for s/w. Oh and I'm sure you know, talk to bitterchild for Southbend clutches.

Poopie
09-20-2006, 04:51 AM
I'm already pming him. I'll also pm you about the software. Yes I getting the high flow manifold as well.

sk8rtilldie
09-20-2006, 06:08 AM
go BT and dont forget to go 034 efi too..

LateraLex
09-20-2006, 06:14 AM
If I was in your situation I'd go BT.

audisnapr
09-20-2006, 06:23 AM
UNI's software is $950 plus shipping to UNI IIRC (If I Remember Correctly)

BarryT82
09-20-2006, 06:26 AM
$935 I think is what I paid for shipping and all that.

hey4
09-20-2006, 06:26 AM
Originally posted by Poopie
so unitronics sw is going for 700?
+220. Anyway that's what I paid for it. I doubt they lowered their prices. That way I would feel cheated, although I think someone was selling their Unitronic tune for an 01 so you could buy that depending on your model year.

audisnapr
09-20-2006, 06:27 AM
yeah, you are prob right - $935 shipped from them. But you need to add a few dollars for shipping your ECU to them.

onemoremile
09-20-2006, 06:28 AM
you could also search for tuners in your area. Eliminator turbos have run quite well on GIAC E05 software with a little tuning.

SeanF
09-20-2006, 06:31 AM
Originally posted by Poopie
AARRGG!!! Should I go BT?

Yes.

Ray Khan
09-20-2006, 06:54 AM
guys with ATP elim or full Garret trim stuff, how much did you spend in the end on turbo/hardware/MAF/plumbing/manifold, software, fueling, high flow cat or test pipe?

Poopie...you don't need a $100 bov/bpv if you go BT.

BranCKY3
09-20-2006, 09:09 AM
Originally posted by Ray Khan
guys with ATP elim or full Garret trim stuff, how much did you spend in the end on turbo/hardware/MAF/plumbing/manifold, software, fueling, high flow cat or test pipe?

Poopie...you don't need a $100 bov/bpv if you go BT.
GT2871R elim:
Turbo - 1500
Mani - 325
Intake - 200
MAF - 25
Injectors - 150
FPR - 30
Software - 200

Total is $2430 for a almost 100% complete kit. If you need extras:

FMIC - $800
Clutch - $1000 (installed)
3" Exhaust - $600

bOOOOstedAudi
09-20-2006, 09:20 AM
get the elim kit and just run the mika tuning. its a start. i think the gtrs kit would be better. you can run your stock maf. injector come with tuning. port and polish you own mani and you will get a better one then atp without the stupid bolt coming out. i think you may be able to get away with it for cheaper then above

bOOOOstedAudi
09-20-2006, 09:22 AM
btw you dont need a fpr or a boost controller.those are just things you would "like to have" pretty much you can get everything from atp's site

Ray Khan
09-20-2006, 09:41 AM
Originally posted by BranCKY3
GT2871R elim:
Turbo - 1500
Mani - 325
Intake - 200
MAF - 25
Injectors - 150
FPR - 30
Software - 200

Total is $2430 for a almost 100% complete kit. If you need extras:

FMIC - $800
Clutch - $1000 (installed)
3" Exhaust - $600

You got a good deal on the fueling and software then huh? That's not a bad price in the end. If you paid $800-$1000 for software, $250 for injectors. Tha would add close to a $1000 right there and still be a bit cheaper than going with an APR kit. Granted you don't get the cool inlet hose/outlet hose. I'm not sure if the APR manifold or that fact that it's a non elim turbo make the APR seem to spool a little faster, but for the price, the elim/ATP stuff is a good deal if you have good software for it. Even with custom tuning it should come out a little cheaper.

BranCKY3
09-20-2006, 09:58 AM
The injectors are average price, they are Delphi 440s which retail $40 each. The software was a good deal yea since I stayed with GIAC and had it custom tuned.

If you go 2871r you'll need a fuel pump too, forgot to mention that.

bitterchild
09-20-2006, 10:04 AM
Ask Don Supreme if he's selling his eliminator stuff. He's got everything; mani, turbo, testpipe, fueling on a CH box

Eurotuned_A4
09-20-2006, 11:56 AM
Originally posted by 94jedi
poop, if it's the elim, you shouldn't need the mani. your stock one will work however I'm guessing you're being offered the ATP high flow stock style mani. I would honestly go BT. it will run circles around your pc-16. the pc16 might feel torquier but when it's running out of breath at 5k, the GTRS will still have alot of power on tap. You will need to buy a few other supporting mods but honestly it will be worth it. If you want a good s/w solution for your GTRS that has run 12.60's in a full weight B5 A4, pm me. Otherwise, talk to Emil from REnn-art for s/w. Oh and I'm sure you know, talk to bitterchild for Southbend clutches.

Pm about this software you are talking about. im guessing its chris tapps stuff

Rosati
09-20-2006, 12:13 PM
Personally too expensive to me.

I like pc 16 and if and when im sick of it and can afford a bt ill doi t.

burner799
09-20-2006, 12:32 PM
hey i have been thinking. why do you guys go big turbo instead of just buying an s4?

TQMB5
09-20-2006, 01:10 PM
money....

pac1085
09-20-2006, 01:14 PM
Originally posted by burner799
hey i have been thinking. why do you guys go big turbo instead of just buying an s4?
Because then I'd want to make the S4 BT and would end up spending a fortune on it.

Eurotuned_A4
09-20-2006, 01:21 PM
Originally posted by burner799
hey i have been thinking. why do you guys go big turbo instead of just buying an s4?

im only 20, turning 21 next month. plus, ive already put a lot into my A4, it wouldnt be beneficial to get an S4 at this point. trust me though, if i had someone that would have cosigned for me i would have bought an S4. if that would have happened i would have a Ko4ed s4 by now.

sean1.8t
09-20-2006, 02:08 PM
Originally posted by Poopie
I was gonna install my K04 pc 16 set up tonight but I got offered a sweet ass deal on a gt28rs eliminator with the manifold for a really good price. I just need the rest of the misc hardware and the fueling kit of course. I would also have to upgrade my clutch.



no. keep your ko4 and tell that guy to sell me the elim. i would love you for it

sean1.8t
09-20-2006, 02:16 PM
Originally posted by burner799
hey i have been thinking. why do you guys go big turbo instead of just buying an s4?

because i would upgrade those turbo's and ko4's are like $8000+ and the BT kit is like $13,000+. add maintenence and insurance and all else that goes with the S4 and i could see myself going bankrupt or having a warrant for like 50 speeding tickets

Don Supreme
09-20-2006, 02:35 PM
Originally posted by bitterchild
Ask Don Supreme if he's selling his eliminator stuff. He's got everything; mani, turbo, testpipe, fueling on a CH box

Yes, I have all of that... except I am 018 P box...... PM if interested.

I also wanted an s4, but a bi-turbo 6 in this same body is just too difficult/costly to maintain...

i hate paying twice for everything (2 turbos, etc)....

Emil@RENN-ART
09-20-2006, 02:45 PM
Don't get me wrong, I love the B5 S4, but it costs a lot more than people think.. especially now that it's down in the low $20's/high $10k's. People think that it's affordable now.. Heh.. Well, the way you look at that depends on your income or your parents pockets I suppose.. There's more to it than just buying one and thinking you have just made the deal of the century. You need serious cash (unless you're a mechanic, of course.. but even then the S4 part$ cost$ $$$till hurt) just to get it where you want it to be.

The reason is that the S4 starts out at a much higher price ($15-25k depending on the shape and mileage on it) and usually needs a lot of maintenance, which is very expensive on this car. Then you want to mod it to get to a solid 300whp?.. You're looking at a solid 8 grand to get it where you want it. You're now close to 30 grand!..

What? You want more power out of your S4? Hello credit cards! [;)]

The beauty of going BT on the B5 A4 is that you get the car (2001 in very nice shape) for about $12k.. Get a solid clutch (appx. $1500 installed), coilover suspension (appx. $1400 installed), our big turbo kit ($3800 installed), FMIC (appx. $1300 installed)... You got yourself an M3 beater for 20 grand!

So, if you're looking for 300whp it's a 10 grand difference between the two options.

Not to mention the gas mileage.. With the new tune on our kit I get 22mpg city driving and 28-30mpg highway!

S4 what?

_________

Sure you can also piece together a turbo kit, like some people say.. but why not opt for less of a headache and get our complete kit and also have support for it? Just a thought.

RENN-ART GTRS = $3295

[az]

sean1.8t
09-20-2006, 02:51 PM
Originally posted by Emil@RENN-ART


S4 what?

_________

[az]

ha, exactly!!

burner799
09-21-2006, 11:51 AM
now that you put it that way......I am so going to slap a BT on my car lol.

94jedi
09-21-2006, 11:56 AM
That's the beauty of a well done BT A4. It's a toyota camry off boost. On boost, it's a totally different animal.

01'A41.8T
09-21-2006, 12:38 PM
Originally posted by 94jedi
That's the beauty of a well done BT A4. It's a toyota camry off boost. On boost, it's a totally different animal.

Haha so true. I can still get 350 miles to a tank.

Emil@RENN-ART
09-21-2006, 09:57 PM
Originally posted by 01'A41.8T
Haha so true. I can still get 350 miles to a tank.

wait til you get the new tune nick.. my mpg went way way up!!