Best Daily-able performance tire???

[Hamsteak]

Hey everyone

I'm looking into some more race oriented tires for my b8.5 with the 19 inch rims, I'm currently running some Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3+ tires and their just not cutting it anymore! In the video below I spin right through 1st gear and short shift into 2nd.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/12AbLFDoPko_aF3A1SMpvSeYQexitdOz4/view?usp=sharing

That is the 1st of 2 runs I did the same night with the same result.

I saw the nitto NT05's that fits a 255/40z19 and not the current 255/35z19 on the vehicle. Would these tires fit? I just had the car lowered on 034 springs and isn't too much lower than stock, I was also planning on adding 5mm spacers front and 10mm rear but won't if it means getting to fit a stickier tire.

[jimrobbington]

I love the PS4S

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[wes8398]

If you're looking for best value (not necessarily best performance), the Firestone Indy 500 is hard to beat.

[Hamsteak]

I love the PS4S

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Is there a considerable difference between that and the 3+?


If you're looking for best value (not necessarily best performance), the Firestone Indy 500 is hard to beat.

They do seem like the best bang for your buck, do you personally run the tire? Have you tested it at a drag strip?

[wes8398]

They do seem like the best bang for your buck, do you personally run the tire? Have you tested it at a drag strip?
Ran them for 5 years on my CTS-V, and then on my S4 for a year. Rating their performance on a drag strip is a square peg, round hole thing to me, so I've got nothing for you there. I did however autocross and run lapping nights with them. Not ideal, but they did ok. A 200 treadwear "cheater" tire would have been a lot better, but then wouldn't offer the same benefits for daily duty.

Edit: I'll add that I switched to Falken FK510's last changeover on the recommendation of a friend. The Indy 500's were much better. Especially the sidewall stiffness. The falkens roll over too easily on this big heavy bitch.

[Hamsteak]

Ran them for 5 years on my CTS-V, and then on my S4 for a year. Rating their performance on a drag strip is a square peg, round hole thing to me, so I've got nothing for you there. I did however autocross and run lapping nights with them. Not ideal, but they did ok. A 200 treadwear "cheater" tire would have been a lot better, but then wouldn't offer the same benefits for daily duty.

Edit: I'll add that I switched to Falken FK510's last changeover on the recommendation of a friend. The Indy 500's were much better. Especially the sidewall stiffness. The falkens roll over too easily on this big heavy bitch.

Gotcha, I'll keep them in mind while I search around. I haven't done autocross before but I'm quite active at my local-"Ish" drag strip so launch is quite important for me. Plus it doesn't help that the track prep they use is garbage.

[wes8398]

Gotcha, I'll keep them in mind while I search around. I haven't done autocross before but I'm quite active at my local-"Ish" drag strip so launch is quite important for me. Plus it doesn't help that the track prep they use is garbage.Not being a straight-liner, I would have thought that ANY prep + your quattro would pretty much eliminate spinning issues. You must be running a pretty hot setup!
I think my next is going to be trying the Federal 595 RS-PRO...A "cheater" 200 treadwear that counts as a "street" tire, but starts to blur the line toward r-comps a bit.

[Hamsteak]

Not being a straight-liner, I would have thought that ANY prep + your quattro would pretty much eliminate spinning issues. You must be running a pretty hot setup!
I think my next is going to be trying the Federal 595 RS-PRO...A "cheater" 200 treadwear that counts as a "street" tire, but starts to blur the line toward r-comps a bit.

Surprisingly my traction is better on the regular road than the track! Which is why I was disappointed when I started breaking loose on launch. After so many cars the prep wears out so they gotta respray but after the first few cars it doesn't really work that good unless your one of the first cars, which is why all my pb's are always after resprays lol. My friend actually runs those same federals on his 07 gt350, dailies them and rips up the track too, their pretty good tires!

[AerotusX]

Bridgestone S04 is worth considering for dual-purpose. I daily them now (great daily btw) and took to the drag strip a couple of times. PS4S is still better but also cost a lot more.

[no thx]

Firestone Indy 500 for the low

Ps4s for the high

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[OliNix]

The Toyo Proxes R888R is a road legal, more track focussed tyre.

They have no issues being daylied, but as with any tyre that has more grip and is more track focused, they won’t last the same 20-odd thousand miles as a street focussed tyre. You will have bucket loads more grip though.

You could also consider something like a Pirelli PZero Trofeo R, you will have to go to a 265/35R19, but if you change all 4 this will be fine.

Oh and high performance tyres are in no way shape or from, able to be considered budget. You either have price or performance, both does not exist, if something says otherwise they are lying!

Also don’t even consider running any of these in the winter, unless you want to crash!

[B7TitaniumA4]

Try Achilles Tire ATR Sport and Sport 2
Don’t let the low price fool you, just over $300 for a full set of 19’s. These tires are amazing in wet and even better in dry. I only have run these on my Audis once I found them. Buddy of mine ran them on a high powered 5.0 and traction was amazing!

I try to recommend these as much as I can as I have had nothing but positive results with them...

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[Hamsteak]

The Toyo Proxes R888R is a road legal, more track focussed tyre.

They have no issues being daylied, but as with any tyre that has more grip and is more track focused, they won’t last the same 20-odd thousand miles as a street focussed tyre. You will have bucket loads more grip though.

You could also consider something like a Pirelli PZero Trofeo R, you will have to go to a 265/35R19, but if you change all 4 this will be fine.

Oh and high performance tyres are in no way shape or from, able to be considered budget. You either have price or performance, both does not exist, if something says otherwise they are lying!

Also don’t even consider running any of these in the winter, unless you want to crash!

I've researched the r888r a bit and they seem like a pretty good tire, I'm willing to spend a bit more to get more so price isn't an issue unless it gets real high. I don't like pirelli's though but i'll research them too and see what their all about. Additionally I can't remember the last time I've actually seen snow and it's been 50+ degrees these last 3 days so I don't think I'd have any issue running these tires rn.



Try Achilles Tire ATR Sport and Sport 2
Don’t let the low price fool you, just over $300 for a full set of 19’s. These tires are amazing in wet and even better in dry. I only have run these on my Audis once I found them. Buddy of mine ran them on a high powered 5.0 and traction was amazing!

I try to recommend these as much as I can as I have had nothing but positive results with them...

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What type of application were they? Autocross or Drag?

[B7TitaniumA4]

I have never used this model for more than performance daily driving but check these out...

https://www.achillestiresusa.com/tires/motorsports


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[Hamsteak]

I have never used this model for more than performance daily driving but check these out...

https://www.achillestiresusa.com/tires/motorsports


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It would seem that only the GS 328 fits a 19 inch rim, so those tires wouldn't be a viable option for me.

[OliNix]

I've researched the r888r a bit and they seem like a pretty good tire, I'm willing to spend a bit more to get more so price isn't an issue unless it gets real high. I don't like pirelli's though but i'll research them too and see what their all about. Additionally I can't remember the last time I've actually seen snow and it's been 50+ degrees these last 3 days so I don't think I'd have any issue running these tires rn.




What type of application were they? Autocross or Drag?

I’m not a fan of PZero Neros but the Trofeo Rs are something else!


OliNix
B8.5 S4 Avant - Glacier White

[Hamsteak]

I’m not a fan of PZero Neros but the Trofeo Rs are something else!


OliNix
B8.5 S4 Avant - Glacier White

The pirelli's do seem like sticky tires, do you have personal experience with either or both of these tires? If a 265/35zr19 would fit my rims do you think a 255/40zr19 would be able to?

[sacandagaD]

The pirelli's do seem like sticky tires, do you have personal experience with either or both of these tires? If a 265/35zr19 would fit my rims do you think a 255/40zr19 would be able to?

My summer PSS's are whupped, and will need replacing in the spring, so I am thinking of trying the Yokohama ADVAN Apex V601. It is very highly rated on Tire Rack, and at sub-$200 price point, won't be a killer if they disappoint. Had the S04's prior to the PSS, and they were also an excellent summer tire, albeit heavier than the Michelin by several pounds.

[wes8398]

My summer PSS's are whupped, and will need replacing in the spring, so I am thinking of trying the Yokohama ADVAN Apex V601. It is very highly rated on Tire Rack, and at sub-$200 price point, won't be a killer if they disappoint. Had the S04's prior to the PSS, and they were also an excellent summer tire, albeit heavier than the Michelin by several pounds.
I've heard several guys in my club talk pretty poorly of those Yokos. Honestly, if you can get past the uber-cheap pricepoint, the aforementioned Federal RS-PRO and also the Achilles ATR Sport are worth a shot if you're willing to give up a bit versus the legit top performers, to save a bunch of $. I just autox and do lapping nights purely for the thrills and to compete with myself, so I don't care about giving up a bit to the RE71's of the world in the name of spending a lot less money. They're still far stickier and more up to the task than most other UHP tires.

[OliNix]

The pirelli's do seem like sticky tires, do you have personal experience with either or both of these tires?

I have a lot of experience with the Trofeo Rs (albeit on a McLaren not an S4)
Pros:
- Stick like poo to a blanket!
- Have very good steering feel and stability

Cons:
- They are a sticky compound so wear faster and are more noisy.
- As I said before they don’t like the cold and wet, I have warned you twice now...


If a 265/35zr19 would fit my rims do you think a 255/40zr19 would be able to?

The 265/35 is actually a more similar tyre to the 255/35 than the 255/40. Have a look on http://www.willtheyfit.com to see it visually.

A 265/35zr19 will give you 3.5mm less gap to the arches (radially), and be 5mm closer to your suspension/inner wing (laterally). Due to it being slightly wider, will also give you a larger contact patch and more grip.

A 255/40zr19 will give you 12.75mm less gap to your arches (radially), but the same clearance to your suspension (laterally). As it has a larger sidewall, it will feel like it wallows around more.

On stock suspension, the S4 can take a 12mm spacer before you start to rub. If you wanted more poke, you could run the 265s and a 5mm spacer and not rub at all.


OliNix
B8.5 S4 Avant - Glacier White

[sacandagaD]

I've heard several guys in my club talk pretty poorly of those Yokos. Honestly, if you can get past the uber-cheap pricepoint, the aforementioned Federal RS-PRO and also the Achilles ATR Sport are worth a shot if you're willing to give up a bit versus the legit top performers, to save a bunch of $. I just autox and do lapping nights purely for the thrills and to compete with myself, so I don't care about giving up a bit to the RE71's of the world in the name of spending a lot less money. They're still far stickier and more up to the task than most other UHP tires.

Good to know some real world experience with the Yokohama's, since they don't get mentioned out here at all. [up]

[MSq5]

Probably the best near track tire but streetable summer tire is the Yokohama AD052.

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Yokohama&tireModel=ADVAN+A052

The AD052 is at the top of the Extreme Performance food chain. Not sure they are in the size you seek.

This is the quickest lapping street tire Tire Rack has ever tested.

A slight step down (not much) but still very track/street capable is Yokohama AD08R. I ran several sets of these on a modified Mazdaspeed 3. Incredible grip, especially in the dry. They had surprisingly long life for an EP category tire. Better price and more sizes available than the relatively new A052.

[Izzyz28]

I mean, a 3K 2-step launch on the street will do that, LOL. I'm not sure what your expectations for street tires are, but that's a hell of a shock load to absorb on 19's.

[Hamsteak]

I mean, a 3K 2-step launch on the street will do that, LOL. I'm not sure what your expectations for street tires are, but that's a hell of a shock load to absorb on 19's.

Don't get me wrong I got no problem spinning on the street, my main concern is spinning on the drag strip. I saw matty was able to get his 10.8 with some nexen summer tires that are the same size as mine, I just don't know which ones they are.

[MSq5]

I mean, a 3K 2-step launch on the street will do that, LOL. I'm not sure what your expectations for street tires are, but that's a hell of a shock load to absorb on 19's.

With a tuned ZF8 with similar 3.0T stage 2 dual pulley mods we commonly launch hard at 2,800 rpm on street tires, usually 20" wheels and up to 295 width. Probably just as brutal as 2-step. Even with my narrower 255 width there is very little wheel spin. While not 2-step, the tuned launch control leaves hard. While OP has more power (bigger throttle body and ported charger) and several hundred pounds lighter than my lard ass Q5, he should be able to get his power down with stickier summer tires.

[Hamsteak]

With a tuned ZF8 with similar 3.0T stage 2 dual pulley mods we commonly launch hard at 2,800 rpm on street tires, usually 20" wheels and up to 295 width. Probably just as brutal as 2-step. Even with my narrower 255 width there is very little wheel spin. While not 2-step, the tuned launch control leaves hard. While OP has more power (bigger throttle body and ported charger) he should be able to get his power down with stickier summer tires.

I saw that the Yokohama A052 you sent early only come in a 245/35r19 and not the 255/35r19. The AD08R does fit, however they are 85$ more expensive per tire than the Michelin PS 4S (according to discount tire) which has been touched on bit by others in the thread. That's probably the tire I'll most likely go with less the thread continues to progress.

[MSq5]

I saw that the Yokohama A052 you sent early only come in a 245/35r19 and not the 255/35r19. The AD08R does fit, however they are 85$ more expensive per tire than the Michelin PS 4S (according to discount tire) which has been touched on bit by others in the thread. That's probably the tire I'll most likely go with less the thread continues to progress.

The PS 4S is a good choice.

[coop3422]

If you're looking for best value (not necessarily best performance), the Firestone Indy 500 is hard to beat.

I almost bought these for my s2k a few years ago when they first came out. They were incredibly popular and were sold out in the sizes I needed. Best bang for the buck performance wise when I did my research a couple years ago. Good grip, but they also had better tread life than many of the comparable tires. I might go that route when my MPSS's need replacing.

[Nardo Grey]

I got PS4S' installed last week. I love the PS4S, but have yet to really push them. They do provide a firm ride which I was a bit worried about. I do notice the softer sidewall, but it doesn't bug me really. I would recommend them, but need more time on them to really come to a conclusion.

[Hamsteak]

I got PS4S' installed last week. I love the PS4S, but have yet to really push them. They do provide a firm ride which I was a bit worried about. I do notice the softer sidewall, but it doesn't bug me really. I would recommend them, but need more time on them to really come to a conclusion.

I'd love to hear how they perform for you once you break them in some more, if I'm not mistaken you were going to get a stage 1 tune soon so there shouldn't be a problem with you being able to put all your power down under launch or heavy load unlike me.

[AerotusX]

Tirerack is having a special discount on Potenza S-04 (265/35-19) for $124 each. Though it's 2018 production stock, I assume they are still good.

[sacandagaD]

Tirerack is having a special discount on Potenza S-04 (265/35-19) for $124 each. Though it's 2018 production stock, I assume they are still good.

Had them on my '11 S4, and they were a great tire with good grip and longevity. Only downside is that they are heavy ( 29 lbs ) if you care about that ( I didn't ).

[Blaque Diamond Wheels]

Had them on my '11 S4, and they were a great tire with good grip and longevity. Only downside is that they are heavy ( 29 lbs ) if you care about that ( I didn't ).

True enough with the weight issue but still a great tire overall


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Is there a considerable difference between that and the 3+?

They do seem like the best bang for your buck, do you personally run the tire? Have you tested it at a drag strip?


Yeah! There's a significant amount of difference in performance between the 3+ and the PS4S, and also yeah Indy 500 would be a good contender with its good and firm sidewalls but may just be a little heavier


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[Keymainey]

Anybody use cosmo mucho macho? I've seen good reviews. I need to replace my 2 fronts because of very bad inside wear on the fronts. I was going to gey the achilles but they're sold out everywhere I've looked.

[wes8398]

Anybody use cosmo mucho macho? I've seen good reviews. I need to replace my 2 fronts because of very bad inside wear on the fronts. I was going to gey the achilles but they're sold out everywhere I've looked.Ummmm, what? Cosmo Mucho Macho? Not a chance I'm putting a tire by that name on my car.

[Keymainey]

Ummmm, what? Cosmo Mucho Macho? Not a chance I'm putting a tire by that name on my car.Lol yea I watched a video of someone talking about the name. But all reviews I've read are good. A bunch were from a couple S4s, corvettes and mustangs. Just need a temp tire and dont want to spend a lot for tires, at this moment, when I dont know exactly what my next set up will be and if I'll be able to use the tires still. A little over $400 for all four corners is hard to beat when I need to replace two now and it will cost more than that for the tires I have now and its not performance based.

[wes8398]

Lol yea I watched a video of someone talking about the name. But all reviews I've read are good. A bunch were from a couple S4s, corvettes and mustangs. Just need a temp tire and dont want to spend a lot for tires, at this moment, when I dont know exactly what my next set up will be and if I'll be able to use the tires still. A little over $400 for all four corners is hard to beat when I need to replace two now and it will cost more than that for the tires I have now and its not performance based.Do you man. I'm all about NOT paying a premium unless it's a LEGIT premium product, but I don't even go this far. I ran Vredestein tires 10 years ago before they entered N. America; but they had been tried and tested in Europe for decades before that. The tough thing with reviews is that they can be and are paid-for. I trust forums, etc more than retail reviews.

[Keymainey]

Do you man. I'm all about NOT paying a premium unless it's a LEGIT premium product, but I don't even go this far. I ran Vredestein tires 10 years ago before they entered N. America; but they had been tried and tested in Europe for decades before that. The tough thing with reviews is that they can be and are paid-for. I trust forums, etc more than retail reviews.The company has been out since 1994. Im not saying they're a quality product and I'm not saying they're not. They are just a stand in while I figure out what set up I want to get after I make a few major purchases. That's why I was asking here if anyone has tried them out before. I also don't drive my car a ton or track or anything like that. Just a daily driver that I sometimes push a little.

[OliNix]

The company has been out since 1994. Im not saying they're a quality product and I'm not saying they're not. They are just a stand in while I figure out what set up I want to get after I make a few major purchases. That's why I was asking here if anyone has tried them out before. I also don't drive my car a ton or track or anything like that. Just a daily driver that I sometimes push a little.

Fit some part worns if it’s temporary and you don’t use it often.

[Hamsteak]

The company has been out since 1994. Im not saying they're a quality product and I'm not saying they're not. They are just a stand in while I figure out what set up I want to get after I make a few major purchases. That's why I was asking here if anyone has tried them out before. I also don't drive my car a ton or track or anything like that. Just a daily driver that I sometimes push a little.

You mentioned that they would just be stand in tires until you get your purchases done. IMO tires should be treated as a major purchase (mostly in terms for racing) but still, if I were you I'd just get a good pair now and get it over with so you don't have to spend money now and then go back in the future and spend more. Since your in Washington I'd say you should consider the previous tires I had on my car which were the Michelin PS A/S 3+ which served me well on stage 1+ and in the VERY limited snow we get down here in the south and since your just daily driving and not racing they should grip plenty. I would offer up my old ones for 250$ for the whole set but the distance between us miiiight just be a little too great. Also no, I have never heard anything about the "Cosmo Mucho Macho".


Fit some part worns if it’s temporary and you don’t use it often.

That would probably be the best option for him if he just needs temporary tires.

[Keymainey]

You mentioned that they would just be stand in tires until you get your purchases done. IMO tires should be treated as a major purchase (mostly in terms for racing) but still, if I were you I'd just get a good pair now and get it over with so you don't have to spend money now and then go back in the future and spend more. Since your in Washington I'd say you should consider the previous tires I had on my car which were the Michelin PS A/S 3+ which served me well on stage 1+ and in the VERY limited snow we get down here in the south and since your just daily driving and not racing they should grip plenty. I would offer up my old ones for 250$ for the whole set but the distance between us miiiight just be a little too great. Also no, I have never heard anything about the "Cosmo Mucho Macho".



That would probably be the best option for him if he just needs temporary tires.I am currently in Washington but am moving to Texas in about two months and I'm going to buy a house out there so thats the major purchase I'm focused on now. I plan on buying wheels next spring, maybe sooner, that are probably going to be 18s so I didnt want to buy expensive tires for 5-7k miles. I have looked into some used continental dws in my area but got no response.

[rudyr]

I "downgraded" from Pilot Sports to the new A/S 4 after leaving CA for the midwest and zero regrets. The A/S 4's did a credible job on the snow (I never felt unsafe at all) and their dry performance is really good. I mean, the Pilot Sports are a great tire and not knocking the performance, but swapping tires every 20k miles wasn't fun @ $1k a pop plus time at a tire shop.

[evanb]

Do you man. I'm all about NOT paying a premium unless it's a LEGIT premium product, but I don't even go this far. I ran Vredestein tires 10 years ago before they entered N. America; but they had been tried and tested in Europe for decades before that. The tough thing with reviews is that they can be and are paid-for. I trust forums, etc more than retail reviews.

I ran Vredestein's on my B5 and loved them. They weren't easy to find.

[wes8398]

I ran Vredestein's on my B5 and loved them. They weren't easy to find.I'm talking like 15+ years ago... eBay was my source. They were a heavy tire, but they performed well and looked amazing for their time. The Ultrac Sessenta (?) was the one I ran.

[Strong Man]

If you're looking for best value (not necessarily best performance), the Firestone Indy 500 is hard to beat.

+100 including really not bad performance for lapping!

[Whitee]

Try Achilles Tire ATR Sport and Sport 2
Don’t let the low price fool you, just over $300 for a full set of 19’s. These tires are amazing in wet and even better in dry. I only have run these on my Audis once I found them. Buddy of mine ran them on a high powered 5.0 and traction was amazing!

I try to recommend these as much as I can as I have had nothing but positive results with them...

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Where are you seeing for just over $300? On simple tire they are 99.99 on sale. I’m assuming you’re talking about the 255/30/19s?

Never mind I don’t even see them available in a 255/19


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[Keymainey]

Where are you seeing for just over $300? On simple tire they are 99.99 on sale. I’m assuming you’re talking about the 255/30/19s?

Never mind I don’t even see them available in a 255/19


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkYea they're sold out everywhere in that size. Cheapest i saw was Walmart for about $65 each

[B7TitaniumA4]

Yea they're sold out everywhere in that size. Cheapest i saw was Walmart for about $65 each

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Sold out most places, must be getting popular and the price is rising. Sucks cause it was such a great deal...

My EBay receipt for 4
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And for 2 (caught a flat and had to replace)
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[MSq5]

The company has been out since 1994. Im not saying they're a quality product and I'm not saying they're not. They are just a stand in while I figure out what set up I want to get after I make a few major purchases. That's why I was asking here if anyone has tried them out before. I also don't drive my car a ton or track or anything like that. Just a daily driver that I sometimes push a little.

Just remember that the strip of rubber we call tires is the only thing in contact with the road to keep you and your family safe. Honestly, I'd not trust that safety to a tire brand we can't even find a single reputable objective test report on. All I can find are confirmation biased user reports. Please don't drive all the from Washington state to Texas on tires you can't even find an objective test on.

[rudyr]

Just remember that the strip of rubber we call tires is the only thing in contact with the road to keep you and your family safe. Honestly, I'd not trust that safety to a tire brand we can't even find a single reputable objective test report on. All I can find are confirmation biased user reports. Please don't drive all the from Washington state to Texas on tires you can't even find an objective test on.

I'm 50/50 on this. On one hand, I agree with you, and I've never made a tire decision based on cost; I always purchased whatever I felt was the "best" based on what I'm looking for. On the other, I have no doubt the margins are tires are huge and multilayered distribution probably adds a lot to the cost. I could totally see a company buying some molds and manufacturing and try to sell most direct or with very aggressive margins through select channels. Imagine if you could buy Michelin's designs from 5yrs ago and could crank them out using commodity rubber compounds; they won't be amazing, but probably decent value for the money.

[DriveBikeRun]

I'm 50/50 on this. On one hand, I agree with you, and I've never made a tire decision based on cost; I always purchased whatever I felt was the "best" based on what I'm looking for. On the other, I have no doubt the margins are tires are huge and multilayered distribution probably adds a lot to the cost. I could totally see a company buying some molds and manufacturing and try to sell most direct or with very aggressive margins through select channels. Imagine if you could buy Michelin's designs from 5yrs ago and could crank them out using commodity rubber compounds; they won't be amazing, but probably decent value for the money.

This line of thinking makes sense to me. I'm a Michelin guy and I somewhat happily pay the premium for their benefits, but if someone figures out how to cut manufacturing/distribution costs to get 90% of those benefits for 50% of the price, I would strongly consider switching. Of course if that happens, as the information gets out in the marketplace, popularity will rise and price as well to some extent. That's a free market economy in action, which I think is generally healthy. This model of cutting out distribution layers to reach customers directly is getting applied all over the place. Agree that the safety question has to be answered first when it comes to tires, though.

[Keymainey]

Just remember that the strip of rubber we call tires is the only thing in contact with the road to keep you and your family safe. Honestly, I'd not trust that safety to a tire brand we can't even find a single reputable objective test report on. All I can find are confirmation biased user reports. Please don't drive all the from Washington state to Texas on tires you can't even find an objective test on.I appreciate the concern. However, I will not be driving the vehicle, it will be towed. Honestly, I feel that the tires will be safer than the ones on there now. I just pulled the trigger on them. I just wanted to know if anyone has had any experience here with them. And you never know, these could be a great tire. If not and safety for my daily driving is a concern for me, then I will most definitely buy 'better' tires. Can't judge something that you don't know just because they're cheap and you never heard of them. I haven't heard of Achilles, which are cheaper than cosmos, and they seem to be doing pretty well based off a few people here running them with satisfaction. This can be the next best thing. I'll report back when I get them on to say if they're decent tires.

[OliNix]

I appreciate the concern. However, I will not be driving the vehicle, it will be towed. Honestly, I feel that the tires will be safer than the ones on there now. I just pulled the trigger on them. I just wanted to know if anyone has had any experience here with them. And you never know, these could be a great tire. If not and safety for my daily driving is a concern for me, then I will most definitely buy 'better' tires. Can't judge something that you don't know just because they're cheap and you never heard of them. I haven't heard of Achilles, which are cheaper than cosmos, and they seem to be doing pretty well based off a few people here running them with satisfaction. This can be the next best thing. I'll report back when I get them on to say if they're decent tires.

Well be sure to let us know if you ever get them and if they are any good!


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B8.5 S4 Avant - Glacier White

[RecklessactN]

Hey everyone

I'm looking into some more race oriented tires for my b8.5 with the 19 inch rims, I'm currently running some Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3+ tires and their just not cutting it anymore! In the video below I spin right through 1st gear and short shift into 2nd.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/12AbLFDoPko_aF3A1SMpvSeYQexitdOz4/view?usp=sharing

That is the 1st of 2 runs I did the same night with the same result.

I saw the nitto NT05's that fits a 255/40z19 and not the current 255/35z19 on the vehicle. Would these tires fit? I just had the car lowered on 034 springs and isn't too much lower than stock, I was also planning on adding 5mm spacers front and 10mm rear but won't if it means getting to fit a stickier tire.

If you stay in Georgia and if you are daily driving on public roads, I strongly recommend the Michelin PS4S for a year round tire. With the weight of the car and driving it "spiritedly", these tires are going to give you great grip all the time. If not Michelin, Pirelli and Bridgestone offer some good alternatives as well.

[RecklessactN]

Lol yea I watched a video of someone talking about the name. But all reviews I've read are good. A bunch were from a couple S4s, corvettes and mustangs. Just need a temp tire and dont want to spend a lot for tires, at this moment, when I dont know exactly what my next set up will be and if I'll be able to use the tires still. A little over $400 for all four corners is hard to beat when I need to replace two now and it will cost more than that for the tires I have now and its not performance based.

I would not put these tires on my car. A $400 set of tires is not going to cut it for a 4,000lb performance sedan. Don't cheap out on tires is a life lesson that many unfortunately don't live to realize.

[sacandagaD]

....However, I will not be driving the vehicle, it will be towed......

Did you say you are towing your Quattro S4 from Washington to Texas?

[B7TitaniumA4]

I’ll say this, I didn’t purchase my Achilles (all 4 or 5 sets on a whim and because they were cheap. My buddy had them in a mustang GT with a little more power than stock and these were the first tires he was able to grip with. He had such good luck with them over 6 months in FL summer, that I bought a set. The by-product is good looks, great performance and a cheap price tag.

My latest set of Achilles are the higher speed rating and can handle 1500lbs each, more than enough for a 4,000lb car.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210316/1f9e017ed0d455ace1db16a02427eae0.jpg


When I bought my S4 it had a brand new set of Michelin’s, the invoice in the glovebox said $900 and I hated them. Crappy wet grip and super hard.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210316/c5f9e9178e2000452276292c0341cf36.jpg

I have owned Dunlop, Nitto, and Khumo’s.

By far my favorite was the Dunlop Direzza Star Spec on my mki TT but the Achilles suit my needs and expectations and come in a lot cheaper... well they used too, lol.

Just my opinion and experience!


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[sacandagaD]

I’ll say this, I didn’t purchase my Achilles (all 4 or 5 sets on a whim and because they were cheap. My buddy had them in a mustang GT with a little more power than stock and these were the first tires he was able to grip with. He had such good luck with them over 6 months in FL summer, that I bought a set. The by-product is good looks, great performance and a cheap price tag.

My latest set of Achilles are the higher speed rating and can handle 1500lbs each, more than enough for a 4,000lb car.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210316/1f9e017ed0d455ace1db16a02427eae0.jpg


When I bought my S4 it had a brand new set of Michelin’s, the invoice in the glovebox said $900 and I hated them. Crappy wet grip and super hard.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210316/c5f9e9178e2000452276292c0341cf36.jpg

I have owned Dunlop, Nitto, and Khumo’s.

By far my favorite was the Dunlop Direzza Star Spec on my mki TT but the Achilles suit my needs and expectations and come in a lot cheaper... well they used too, lol.

Just my opinion and experience!


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48 pounds each! That must be a typo, PSS only weigh 23 each.

[B7TitaniumA4]

48 pounds each! That must be a typo, PSS only weigh 23 each.

Yes has to be, they do not feel very heavy at all.


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[evanb]

I'm talking like 15+ years ago... eBay was my source. They were a heavy tire, but they performed well and looked amazing for their time. The Ultrac Sessenta (?) was the one I ran.

Yes, that's the one I ran as well on my 2001.5 S4.

[Keymainey]

Did you say you are towing your Quattro S4 from Washington to Texas?

Yes it will be on a trailer.


I would not put these tires on my car. A $400 set of tires is not going to cut it for a 4,000lb performance sedan. Don't cheap out on tires is a life lesson that many unfortunately don't live to realize.

That's a bit dramatic lol. The specs for these tires meet the needs and are the same as most other tires offered for this vehicle. Do you have experience with someone dying from the tires or just saying that because they are cheaper than your tires?


I’ll say this, I didn’t purchase my Achilles (all 4 or 5 sets on a whim and because they were cheap. My buddy had them in a mustang GT with a little more power than stock and these were the first tires he was able to grip with. He had such good luck with them over 6 months in FL summer, that I bought a set. The by-product is good looks, great performance and a cheap price tag.

My latest set of Achilles are the higher speed rating and can handle 1500lbs each, more than enough for a 4,000lb car.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210316/1f9e017ed0d455ace1db16a02427eae0.jpg


When I bought my S4 it had a brand new set of Michelin’s, the invoice in the glovebox said $900 and I hated them. Crappy wet grip and super hard.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210316/c5f9e9178e2000452276292c0341cf36.jpg

I have owned Dunlop, Nitto, and Khumo’s.

By far my favorite was the Dunlop Direzza Star Spec on my mki TT but the Achilles suit my needs and expectations and come in a lot cheaper... well they used too, lol.

Just my opinion and experience!


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I wasn't saying that anyone just bought them on a whim. Just stating that others have purchased cheaper tires than these and had good luck with them. As you stated, you perfer these to the Michelins you had. These are the same spec as most other performance all season tire and weigh 26lbs. I have pirellis now on the S4 and Nittos on the Mustang. The tires on the mustang are more than most tires yall have posted on here. Not opposed to buying my expensive tires (if it's worth it). Like I said in an earlier post, I plan to switch up wheel and tire combo, don't drive much and dont do crazy driving so I don't want to spend more on tires if I dont have to. If they're good tires I'll keep, if not I'll move onto the next.

For everyone that's judging because of price, don't knock it till you try it. I was just asking if anyone has used it before. If not you have no foot to stand in when making claims. They have all same specs as other tires.223708

[Keymainey]

Just an update on the cosmos mucho machos if anyone is interested.

Price- can't beat it
Noise- very quiet
Speed- driven a little over 130 with no issue at all and no slippage when accelerating fast
Traction- very good, I've had no slipping at all. Im actually more confident with these than with my previous tires on turns at higher speeds.
Wear- I believe they do wear fast but thats ok for me as they are temporary

I haven't launched in these yet or tried to see if I could drift them (read it's pretty hard with how good the traction is) or push them to the extremes.

After about 1.5K miles and a month and a half usage in the rain, very light snow, and dry high heat; I do say they perform very well and will be a good choice for someone that needs a cheap temp set or even a decent set to daily in.

[Bartz32tt]

I bought a set of the Achilles ATR Sport 2 because of this thread (and reading reviews elsewhere). I've only driven in dry conditions thus far and it's been about 2 weeks but so far I'm quite happy with them. They are really quiet and they ride well, with no traction issues during spirited driving. They also felt really light...no way they're 48 lbs each as pointed out above. If tread life is abysmal then I'll probably go with the indy 500's next.

[coop3422]

I have MPSS as my summer tires and Blizzaks for winters. I swapped over a couple weeks ago and really notice the MPSS can get in a groove, or grab traction and sort of pull the car depending on the pavement. Never did it with the Blizzaks. They've got good grip and they're nice, but they're also expensive. They came with the car and have a lot of tread left, so I'll happily run them. But if I still have the car when these are due for replacement, I'll be going Firehawk Indys. They're half the price, and get great reviews anywhere you look. Was gonna get them for my S2000 years ago, but that was the year they launched and they were all sold out in the sizes I needed.

[GTSJeff]

231453

Running 245-35-19 Falken RT660. MUCH more grippy than normal tires like Indy500 and not too harsh. Somewhat loud at urban speeds and bad in the rain. Cost $1380 CAD. If they last 2-3 seasons I’ll be happy.


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[MSq5]

231453

Running 245-35-19 Falken RT660. MUCH more grippy than normal tires like Indy500 and not too harsh. Somewhat loud at urban speeds and bad in the rain. Cost $1380 CAD. If they last 2-3 seasons I’ll be happy.


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Does anyone remember OP's question? The RT660 would be a good choice for OP's original request. Somewhere along the thread the issue got blurred a bit. OP was looking for a higher performance summer tire, IIRC. He had a good all-season tire (same as I'm running now) and looking for something better at the track.

I recommended Yoko AD-052. That is probably the stickiest street legal tire you can buy. It is in the "Extreme Performance" category, like the RT660. The AD-052s had the quickest lap time of any street legal tire Tire Rack had ever tested. Turned out they did not yet make them in the size he needed. I suggested Yoko's AD-08R, just a tiny bit down in the EP Summer catrgory, but they were more that Michelin PS4S. It is a great tire, but is a Max Performance category tire and not an EP tire, so it is not likely to have quite as much grip, but maybe a bit better in the wet.

I think the PSS was what he was looking at when the thread started drifting. Thanks for bringing us back to its original purpose. The RT660 is a very viable alternative to the AD052, especially if available in his tire size. It came in second to the AD052 in the comparison test and beat out the very pricey Pilot Sport Cup 2!

Hopefully, OP has made his choice and can update us.

[Hamsteak]

Does anyone remember OP's question? The RT660 would be a good choice for OP's original request. Somewhere along the thread the issue got blurred a bit. OP was looking for a higher performance summer tire, IIRC. He had a good all-season tire (same as I'm running now) and looking for something better at the track.

I recommended Yoko AD-052. That is probably the stickiest street legal tire you can buy. It is in the "Extreme Performance" category, like the RT660. The AD-052s had the quickest lap time of any street legal tire Tire Rack had ever tested. Turned out they did not yet make them in the size he needed. I suggested Yoko's AD-08R, just a tiny bit down in the EP Summer catrgory, but they were more that Michelin PS4S. It is a great tire, but is a Max Performance category tire and not an EP tire, so it is not likely to have quite as much grip, but maybe a bit better in the wet.

I think the PSS was what he was looking at when the thread started drifting. Thanks for bringing us back to its original purpose. The RT660 is a very viable alternative to the AD052, especially if available in his tire size. It came in second to the AD052 in the comparison test and beat out the very pricey Pilot Sport Cup 2!

Hopefully, OP has made his choice and can update us.

I sure can provide an update! I did end up going with the PS4S and have had a bitter-sweet relationship with them once the track season started back up in march. My traction issues still remained in the earlier weeks of the season, cold IAT's (31-39C) and air temps (40's) had the car launching hard and had the tires cold, ruining my runs with short shift after short shift. This was the first week back. However, I noticed the tire does NOT like 40 psi and got happier around the 20-30 psi range, and as the temps approached 50+ and IAT's were around 40+, the day after at test and tune I was able to pull my best time of 11.570 with a 60ft of 1.619!

I can almost say for sure that the summer will have the car grip without issue, but will be giving me more issues as fall and winter come along. So as long as the conditions are right I've had consistent 1.6xx 60 ft's. I even managed to pull a 1.598 a few weeks ago!

To be completely honest I don't know whether I would recommend this tire or not, but what I can say is that it is a better performer than the all seasons were. I'll most likely look into a different set (possibly the RT660 or other EP tire) as I progress further into the build and look toward taking advantage of a good D/A.

I'm really surprised and happy how this threads been staying alive for so long!

PS. If anyone around the Atlanta - Flowery Branch Area is looking for a set of A/S 3+'s lemmie know [:)]

[Abenj4]

I’ve run PSS for probably 4 years now between my b5 a4 and b8.5 s5. Switched to the PS4S when they came out and have 3 years experience with them on the s5. Since I live in NY I run PS alpins for the winter but that’s besides the point. PS4S and it’s predecessor are amazing IMHO. Incredibly confidence inspiring. I’ll huck it into a turn in 3rd and go WOT with zero issues, not even a chirp from the tires (6MT, stage 1, sport diff). I think the ONLY time I’ve heard them screech was taking a tight sweeping turn at around 40mph and exiting at the top of 2nd.

Once you get them out on a hot day find a quiet, twisty backroad you’ll know what I’m talking about. Enjoy!


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[flatwerx]

Reviving and old but good thread.
My question on a daily-able performance tire is more on size. 40 series vs a 45 series. Spirited driving, lots of road trips with some dirt roads, and a track day or two here and there. Not dragstrip track.
I guessed the question is would a 45 series with the taller sidewall still perform as well as a 40 series?

[evanb]

Reviving and old but good thread.
My question on a daily-able performance tire is more on size. 40 series vs a 45 series. Spirited driving, lots of road trips with some dirt roads, and a track day or two here and there. Not dragstrip track.
I guessed the question is would a 45 series with the taller sidewall still perform as well as a 40 series?

If you're doing dirt roads, I'd go with a taller side wall to protect your wheels.

[flatwerx]

If you're doing dirt roads, I'd go with a taller side wall to protect your wheels.

Thanks man.
Dirt roads would be out of the ordinary but wanted to through it in there as its relevant for me. Just curious on how squishy or how much more body roll a 45 would produce vs a 40. Performance-wise, I have never been over taller than a 40, even then, usually a 35.

[evanb]

Thanks man.
Dirt roads would be out of the ordinary but wanted to through it in there as its relevant for me. Just curious on how squishy or how much more body roll a 45 would produce vs a 40. Performance-wise, I have never been over taller than a 40, even then, usually a 35.

Can't help you there. Both of my S4s had 18" wheels so I have no comparison. I can say that it never felt Squishy. I did run good HD tires.

[Slvrbul8]

When I bought my S4, it had same A/S 3+ tires and I immediately swapped them for the PS4S. Big difference. Tirerack has good comparisons you can read up on. When it comes to summer tires, my experience has been, Bridgestone's slip, Michelin's grip.

[flatwerx]

Appreciate the info gents.
I'm contemplating a 20x10.5 +25 with a 295/40r20 or a 19x9.5 +22 with a 285/45r19.
Plans are to drive to Alaska and many other states. I have an off-road rig for truly off-road trips but wouldn't mind taking the SQ5 on some dirt roads she may normally not see. Not planning on lifting it or doing any rugged tires.