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I just noticed they now support the Simos 8.4 & 8.5. Has anyone tried them out, or have experience with them on a different platform?
UkuRiSh
11-11-2019, 07:04 AM
I just noticed they now support the Simos 8.4 & 8.5. Has anyone tried them out, or have experience with them on a different platform?
In my opinion it's useless until they do both ECU/TCU Then can be done some nice custom tune with it
I have a manual so that doesn't matter for me, but I thought the TCU tune was independent from the ECU tune, is it not?
irish07
11-11-2019, 12:41 PM
I have a manual so that doesn't matter for me, but I thought the TCU tune was independent from the ECU tune, is it not?
I have HPTuners for other cars I tune. HPT allows you to look at maps without paying credits, they only charge credits if you want to save/flash the file.
Nonetheless, I looked at the maps available for my Simos8.4. It’s pretty good if you want to create your own Stg1 or even a pops and bangs version. But if you ever wanted to get into tuning for a dual pulley or meth you’ll need to tune via WinOLS(chasing high power), not enough maps available to tackle this effectively on HPT for Simos8.4/8.5(you could make a request for those maps from HPT, but relying on them to add). One thing I do love about HPT is the simplicity of disabling dtc codes.
All around, HPT is a lot easier of an interface for beginners versus using Alientech ECM Titanium and-a-like software but the cost for tool + credits for Simos 8.4/8.5 isn’t cheap once you add in your time spent. However, you still need to know more than how to turn a wrench to correctly tune.
When you buy tunes from these well established companies, your not just paying for the tool, your paying for the time spent to develop a solid edited calibration for that car model/engine. Some companies also have good datalogging capabilities. HPT does have the datalog function but is no better on simos8.4/8.5 than any cheap ELM327 dongle +phone app. If you wanted to create your own tune with HPT, you’d be spending additional cash on a good fast logger like ECUTools or similar devices/software to get the data you need. At that point you’ve spent more cash than any Stg1 tune available at full retail price from the big giants.
All depends on what your trying to accomplish, get a great tune out of the box($$$), or learn into the tuning world to develop your own product or even just as hobbyist($$$+$$$+$$$..etc)
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Thanks for the reply. I was viewing it more as a way to tweak existing stage 1 or 2 tunes, rather than starting fresh. Being able to adjust for larger injectors or something similar down the road. But I'm not familiar with exactly what HPT exposes to you, but I did read they are constantly expanding it.
Regarding DTCs, would I be able to delete the SAI and disable the code with HPT? I think that's pretty big itself, as the big tuners will probably want to avoid that for legal reasons.
irish07
11-11-2019, 01:20 PM
Thanks for the reply. I was viewing it more as a way to tweak existing stage 1 or 2 tunes, rather than starting fresh. Being able to adjust for larger injectors or something similar down the road. But I'm not familiar with exactly what HPT exposes to you, but I did read they are constantly expanding it.
Regarding DTCs, would I be able to delete the SAI and disable the code with HPT? I think that's pretty big itself, as the big tuners will probably want to avoid that for legal reasons.
Biggest problem is HPT is a virtual read, which means you cannot modify a current tune because you can’t actually read the file in your ecu. HPT will find a matching “stock” calibration on a server, your then given this stock file to edit. Once done you can flash the file to your ecu if enough credits are paid.
So by using HPT on an existing car that is tuned, you won’t be able to copy nor look at any changes in that file. If you create your own edit and flash, you would be overwriting everything in the ecu
For the SAI codes, yes you could delete the codes but that’s not correctly how it’s done. You would want to disable the SAI function entirely..just deleting codes is bad tuning habits. I will delete codes as a back up of already disabling the drive cycle in question...deleting just the codes is half the job.
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Zbichu
11-11-2019, 01:32 PM
I have HPTuners for other cars I tune. HPT allows you to look at maps without paying credits, they only charge credits if you want to save/flash the file.
Nonetheless, I looked at the maps available for my Simos8.4.
What version of HPT you use? I can't find the version which can open any of simos 8.5, 8.4 file.
irish07
11-11-2019, 01:35 PM
Assuming it’s wtv the latest is, most ppl are running the beta versions. On the help site is a link to get the latest beta version. If you cannot open your file, submit a ticket and a new beta version will be released for you.
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Zbichu
11-11-2019, 01:43 PM
Could you send me a HPT virtual read file for any of simos 8.5 or 8.4? I have many files of simos 8.5 but HPT can'r read them because of different offset.
irish07
11-11-2019, 01:46 PM
Could you send me a HPT virtual read file for any of simos 8.5 or 8.4? I have many files of simos 8.5 but HPT can'r read them because of different offset.
I’ll be in office tmr, send me your email
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Zbichu
11-11-2019, 01:50 PM
OK. Thank you. Adress sended PM. [up]
Zbichu
11-13-2019, 12:44 PM
Thank you irish07 for file you sent me to mail box, but it's impossible to look at the maps without connected MPVI2 interface. I wonder what kind of maps are edited in HPT in relation to the changes I made in WinOls.
HPT allows you to look at maps without paying credits, they only charge credits if you want to save/flash the file.
irish07
11-13-2019, 12:51 PM
Thank you irish07 for file you send me at mail box but it's impossible to look at the maps without connected MPVI2 interface. I wonder what kind of maps are edited in HPT in relation to the changes I made in WinOls.
All tool manufacturers require the tool connected to use there tuning software, especially interface versions like HPT ..etc. VCM Editor is the program used to read/write/edit and requires a paid license, which is held on the MPVI2. What you don’t need is actual tuning credits to view the maps, only need credits to flash the car.
The maps are just basic stuff, if you had a OLS file service done by someone, about 50% of it won’t be in HPT maps for Simos8.4. An actual mappack for Simos 8.4 or 8.5 winols would be a better choice.
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Zbichu
11-13-2019, 12:57 PM
That's what I thought. Thank you for your interest.[up]
All tool manufacturers require the tool connected to use there tuning software, especially interface versions like HPT ..etc. VCM Editor is the program used to read/write/edit and requires a paid license, which is held on the MPVI2. What you don’t need is actual tuning credits to view the maps, only need credits to flash the car.
The maps are just basic stuff, if you had a OLS file service done by someone, about 50% of it won’t be in HPT maps for Simos8.4. An actual mappack for Simos 8.4 or 8.5 winols would be a better choice.
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When was the last time you took a look? Reading through the HPT forums, it looks like they kept exposing more and more, and I think you needed to be on the latest beta release to view it. Specifically, Simos 8.4 was lacking a lot of tables they already had for Simos 8.5