Factor 4 wax

[2by2handsofblue]

Thoughts on the form factor was. Supposedly will last up to 3yrs.
I read if your not happy you will get your money back.

I guess time will tell. One has to wonder what type of up keep you need to do to have it last for 3 yrs.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Factor-4-Synthetic-Car-Wax-Kit/883584846

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[Aztec71186]

Never even heard of it, so can’t really comment on its performance, If that what you want, there are coatings that are tested and proven by professional detailers. Personally I like to wax my vehicles however my wife’s jetta is coated as doesn’t see the same maintenance regimen as mine, that car has cquartz UK edition which is good and has held up pretty well for over two year in Southern California weather. First you should decide if you want to use a wax, a sealant or a semipermanent coating and then look at what product you should buy. There’ plenty of info on the web as to the differences and pros and cons about waxes vs sealants vs coatings from reputable detailing forums. To me personally the product you asked about seems very gimmicky but thats just my opinion. There’s a lot to learn about detailing and a lot of misinformation also, so use common sense when reading recommendations on products and processes.

[2by2handsofblue]

Never even heard of it, so can’t really comment on its performance, If that what you want, there are coatings that are tested and proven by professional detailers. Personally I like to wax my vehicles however my wife’s jetta is coated as doesn’t see the same maintenance regimen as mine, that car has cquartz UK edition which is good and has held up pretty well for over two year in Southern California weather. First you should decide if you want to use a wax, a sealant or a semipermanent coating and then look at what product you should buy. There’ plenty of info on the web as to the differences and pros and cons about waxes vs sealants vs coatings from reputable detailing forums. To me personally the product you asked about seems very gimmicky but thats just my opinion. There’s a lot to learn about detailing and a lot of misinformation also, so use common sense when reading recommendations on products and processes.The only time I see this advertising is when I watch YouTube videos. I was just curious.

As for ceramic coating, what happens when the stuff wears off? Meaning the hydrophobic wears off.
Is the ceramic coating still good?
I read that in order to take it off, there's a lot of work that needs to be done to take off.
I didnt realize there's a lot of work to take it off


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[Aztec71186]

Kind of, but actually there’s way more work to prep the paint before you apply a coating, unless you plan to pay for it I would stick with a sealant or a wax for now until you build up your skills a little more, of course there are consumer easy to apply coatings but I would go with wax for now or sealants if you don’t wanna do it often, a good sealant can do 4-6 months which is a lot in my opinion. As for the ads I understand I also see them all the time, coatings became very popular and everyone wants a piece of the cake. Also to prep paint for a proper coating you need or should definitely polish, so unless you have a machine I wouldn’t recommend it.

[pdqgp]

The only time I see this advertising is when I watch YouTube videos. I was just curious.

I've never heard of this stuff and I'm in the detailing business. That said, it's just another synthetic was sold at retail. Lots of big players are starting to see the light in the newer products or marketing what they have available to compete against coatings. Most of the retail level coatings are hype and not much more than a step above a traditional sealant or wax.

The only one that I've tried, and seems to have legs is Turtle Wax Ice Seal and Shine. Thus far it's one of the better and more easy to use spray and wipe sealants on the market today.


As for ceramic coating, what happens when the stuff wears off? Meaning the hydrophobic wears off.
Is the ceramic coating still good?
I read that in order to take it off, there's a lot of work that needs to be done to take off.
I didnt realize there's a lot of work to take it off

When ceramics begin to lose their hydrophobic effect over the course of 1-2 years, it's either time for a refresh or a new coating. Lots of times the product isn't worn off it's just masked by contaminants on the surface. Depending on the product of course as there are lots of cheaper less lasting products. First step is to decontaminate and then give it a good wash with something like CarPro Reset and see if it comes back.

Worst case the way to remove it is simply to re-polish the surface. It's not difficult. Most daily drivers will be polished every 12-24 months anyway thus owners there should save their money and stick to the appropriate coatings vs spending stupid money after the hyped up 5-7year ones that are overpriced and often mis-targeted approach in terms of who they are marketing to.

Hope this helps. Happy to provide more info where needed.

[2by2handsofblue]

Thanks for the info.

So you think ceramic coating might be some what over rated?

Definitely expensive if you get done at a detail shop.

I want to keep my s5 nice.

I just don't have the time to do a full detail. Plus I've never done, the clay bar, wax and polish and sealant. And using a machine to buff the car.

I can do something more on the simple or dont mind doing a little more work to keep my car nice.

I like the idea of the spray wax and sealant. Just wondering how well that stuff will last?

I have this tree and shrubbery that coats my black car with pollen.

Although I plan on getting my car paint corrected and than try to do the upkeep myself.



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[2by2handsofblue]

I've never heard of this stuff and I'm in the detailing business. That said, it's just another synthetic was sold at retail. Lots of big players are starting to see the light in the newer products or marketing what they have available to compete against coatings. Most of the retail level coatings are hype and not much more than a step above a traditional sealant or wax.

The only one that I've tried, and seems to have legs is Turtle Wax Ice Seal and Shine. Thus far it's one of the better and more easy to use spray and wipe sealants on the market today.



When ceramics begin to lose their hydrophobic effect over the course of 1-2 years, it's either time for a refresh or a new coating. Lots of times the product isn't worn off it's just masked by contaminants on the surface. Depending on the product of course as there are lots of cheaper less lasting products. First step is to decontaminate and then give it a good wash with something like CarPro Reset and see if it comes back.

Worst case the way to remove it is simply to re-polish the surface. It's not difficult. Most daily drivers will be polished every 12-24 months anyway thus owners there should save their money and stick to the appropriate coatings vs spending stupid money after the hyped up 5-7year ones that are overpriced and often mis-targeted approach in terms of who they are marketing to.

Hope this helps. Happy to provide more info where needed.Sent u a pm

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[MugelloB7RS4]

Thanks for the info.

So you think ceramic coating might be some what over rated?

Definitely expensive if you get done at a detail shop.

I want to keep my s5 nice.

I just don't have the time to do a full detail. Plus I've never done, the clay bar, wax and polish and sealant. And using a machine to buff the car.

I can do something more on the simple or dont mind doing a little more work to keep my car nice.

I like the idea of the spray wax and sealant. Just wondering how well that stuff will last?

I have this tree and shrubbery that coats my black car with pollen.

Although I plan on getting my car paint corrected and than try to do the upkeep myself.



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I don't think he's saying that ceramic is over rated at all. He's saying the retail level ones, the ones not supplied by a professional detailer are lacking in comparison. I'm sure he will tell you that there is a time and place for ceramic coatings but they aren't for everyone. It depends on your needs and the amount of maintenance you're willing to dedicate to them.

Ceramic does not mean you never have to touch or maintain the car, it means that the amount of time needed to maintain the car should decrease. However they are not scratch proof. They are harder than the clear coat (most of them) but they can still scratch. And if they do, its alot more work to try and repair that scratch because you potentially have to remove the coating first, then deal with the imperfection and then reapply the coating.

Some people see value in that, some people don't.

Some people enjoy the wash/wax process and decide to stick with it.

There are some products you can get from well respected manufactures that will provide decent longevity but nothing will last as long as a ceramic coating.

There's pros and cons to everything.

check out https://www.detailedimage.com/Auto-Detailing-Guide/ as it spells out alot of the questions you probably have on cleaning, maintaining, waxing, sealing, etc.

[2by2handsofblue]

I don't think he's saying that ceramic is over rated at all. He's saying the retail level ones, the ones not supplied by a professional detailer are lacking in comparison. I'm sure he will tell you that there is a time and place for ceramic coatings but they aren't for everyone. It depends on your needs and the amount of maintenance you're willing to dedicate to them.

Ceramic does not mean you never have to touch or maintain the car, it means that the amount of time needed to maintain the car should decrease. However they are not scratch proof. They are harder than the clear coat (most of them) but they can still scratch. And if they do, its alot more work to try and repair that scratch because you potentially have to remove the coating first, then deal with the imperfection and then reapply the coating.

Some people see value in that, some people don't.

Some people enjoy the wash/wax process and decide to stick with it.

There are some products you can get from well respected manufactures that will provide decent longevity but nothing will last as long as a ceramic coating.

There's pros and cons to everything.

check out https://www.detailedimage.com/Auto-Detailing-Guide/ as it spells out alot of the questions you probably have on cleaning, maintaining, waxing, sealing, etc.Thanks

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[pdqgp]

Thanks for the info.

So you think ceramic coating might be some what over rated?

Definitely expensive if you get done at a detail shop.

I want to keep my s5 nice.

I just don't have the time to do a full detail. Plus I've never done, the clay bar, wax and polish and sealant. And using a machine to buff the car.

I can do something more on the simple or dont mind doing a little more work to keep my car nice.

I like the idea of the spray wax and sealant. Just wondering how well that stuff will last?

I have this tree and shrubbery that coats my black car with pollen.

Although I plan on getting my car paint corrected and than try to do the upkeep myself.

Thanks for the PM. Hope my reply gives you some good direction.

In terms of Ceramic Coatings, I love them. I do 95% Coatings anymore. Some shops are expensive. Most are because they have lots of overhead, rent, employees, etc to take into consideration. Prep / polishing is the key to the results regardless of what the Last Step Product is, wax, sealant, coating etc.

Once you get a paint correction the upkeep should be much easier. Coatings will help but not prevent some micro marring from drying, etc. but by no means will they prevent marring from happening. The key benefit IMO is their resistance to dirt through a far superior hydrophobic property. Keeps the car cleaner and makes washes much easier.

[2by2handsofblue]

Thanks for the PM. Hope my reply gives you some good direction.

In terms of Ceramic Coatings, I love them. I do 95% Coatings anymore. Some shops are expensive. Most are because they have lots of overhead, rent, employees, etc to take into consideration. Prep / polishing is the key to the results regardless of what the Last Step Product is, wax, sealant, coating etc.

Once you get a paint correction the upkeep should be much easier. Coatings will help but not prevent some micro marring from drying, etc. but by no means will they prevent marring from happening. The key benefit IMO is their resistance to dirt through a far superior hydrophobic property. Keeps the car cleaner and makes washes much easier.Again thanks.

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