Hot brakes. Fail?

[DufraineMK6]

Just did an ecs brake job. Rotors/pads. Forget the brand of slotted and drilled rotors but they came with ecb red pads. Did a lot. If not ton of hard braking and they basically failed. Anyone with similar issues?


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[bhvrdr]

Google ebc redstuff failure

https://youtu.be/MhtlH_4IuE4

[DufraineMK6]

Google ebc redstuff failure

https://youtu.be/MhtlH_4IuE4

Thanks man. I know I put them through hell but wasn’t my first time going all out and never had any brakes literally refuse to do their job.


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[bhvrdr]

Redstuff and greenstuff can overheat. Id usually be prone to blaming the fluid but not when i hear its those pads. Try a wider heat range pad with some fresh motul 5.1 or rbf600.

Mike

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[DufraineMK6]

Thanks

[DufraineMK6]

Redstuff and greenstuff can overheat. Id usually be prone to blaming the fluid but not when i hear its those pads. Try a wider heat range pad with some fresh motul 5.1 or rbf600.

Mike

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Suggestions on pads? I’m almost tempted to buy some stock ones. Never had this issue with any of my cars with cheap stock pads. So never thought OEM would be the best ? Just about every upgrade I’ve done to this car has been a downgrade/disappointment. Smh.


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[bhvrdr]

Suggestions on pads? I’m almost tempted to buy some stock ones. Never had this issue with any of my cars with cheap stock pads. So never thought OEM would be the best ? Just about every upgrade I’ve done to this car has been a downgrade/disappointment. Smh.


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Stock will be very grabby and operate over a suprisingly wide heat range. they dust though. Akebono are less on/off and hold up to heat pretty darn well (theyre GG rated) and dont dust mutch. If you like grabby brakes go with OEM. If you dont mind a bit more modulation, go with the akebono

mike

[DufraineMK6]

Honestly didn’t give my brake selection to much thought since I wasn’t going ltw rotors etc. saw some posts about how ebc was comparable to akeebono so didnt think much of it. I’ve ridden the stock pads just as hard before but never had an issue. But man I tell ya. Those brakes were oven/campfire hot


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[chilort]

Honestly didn’t give my brake selection to much thought since I wasn’t going ltw rotors etc. saw some posts about how ebc was comparable to akeebono so didnt think much of it. I’ve ridden the stock pads just as hard before but never had an issue. But man I tell ya. Those brakes were oven/campfire hot


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Track day? Mountain run? Is this something you do regularly?

I don't like the stock pads because they are grabby, dust like crazy, and squeal when cold.

There's lots of good pad information on this board as people have tried out many things. Personally, I don't like the Hawk 5.0 pad because of how they perform when cold. Others seem to like them. I've also ran the Hawk HPS pad and they were fine. My favorite pad so far is the Porterfield R4-S pads I've got but they aren't cheap.

[DufraineMK6]

Track day? Mountain run? Is this something you do regularly?

I don't like the stock pads because they are grabby, dust like crazy, and squeal when cold.

There's lots of good pad information on this board as people have tried out many things. Personally, I don't like the Hawk 5.0 pad because of how they perform when cold. Others seem to like them. I've also ran the Hawk HPS pad and they were fine. My favorite pad so far is the Porterfield R4-S pads I've got but they aren't cheap.

Uhm. Yea. Let’s say track day [emoji5]. Figured I’d broken them in and decided to test out my hard work. So disappointed. I’ve had hawk pads before on my e36 m3 way back in the day. Just figured if members were running ebc reds they’d be good. Like I said. They completely just about failed so it was kinda crazy since I’ve never experienced that before.


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[Envy187]

I’ve had hawk pads before on my e36 m3 way back in the day. Just figured if members were running ebc reds they’d be good. Like I said. They completely just about failed so it was kinda crazy since I’ve never experienced that before.

First off? Jealous you had an E36 M3. If you had an E46 M3, I'd be even more jealous. [>_<] Second, bhvrdr's absolutely right. There was a poll a little while ago where the OP asked for the best combo for daily driving...and a lot of good contributions were made to that thread.

The following is that thread, if you're remotely interested : https://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/844121-Poll-Daily-driver-replacement-brake-pads-choices-oem-vs-akebono-vs-hawk-vs-other?highlight=pads+rotors

Post #35 happened to be from bhvrdr as well, which reiterated what he told you here.

[BlueSteW8]

Red stuff are NOT track pads.
I've run red and yellow, no problems over the years.
I wouldn't recommend even yellow for track duty on an S4, had those on my B7 S4

[Silver Streakin]

You might get away with those pads on a light car but not one that is ~3800 lbs + driver weight.

You likley took them out of their heat range.

Get pads that get into the 1400-1600F range.

[Brken123]

The brakes this site offers may not be up to par with what you need / are looking for, but, can't hurt to look. It's where I picked up pads and rotors for my car for under $400 (all 4 corners) shipped. www.brakeperformance.com
One thing to note - I don't track or race my car. It's my daily driver.

[Skyler@Achtuning]

The B8 S4 is very hard on brakes when pushed to it's limits, it's a heavy car with lots of power. Stock sized brakes will only get a mild benefit, even finding pads that can handle high heat will have drawbacks to noise and poor cold performance. For many a BBK has been the solution, more mass to absorb the heat and better cooling to get rid of the heat quickly.

We have had great feedback on the StopTech kits we offer:

https://www.achtuning.com/audi/s-series/s4/b8-5-s4-2013-2016/?_bc_fsnf=1&Brakes=big+brake+kits

[Bartlett]

The B8 S4 is very hard on brakes when pushed to it's limits, it's a heavy car with lots of power. Stock sized brakes will only get a mild benefit, even finding pads that can handle high heat will have drawbacks to noise and poor cold performance. For many a BBK has been the solution, more mass to absorb the heat and better cooling to get rid of the heat quickly.

We have had great feedback on the StopTech kits we offer:

https://www.achtuning.com/audi/s-series/s4/b8-5-s4-2013-2016/?_bc_fsnf=1&Brakes=big+brake+kits

If only these big brake kits didn't cost 20-30% the market value of most B8s *mj shrug*

[Skyler@Achtuning]

If only these big brake kits didn't cost 20-30% the market value of most B8s *mj shrug*

Perhaps, but still cheaper than encountering brake failure and crashing the car (or worse). If we wanted to be practical we would all be driving base stock Corollas, instead we should rejoice that we have the chance to pick up one of Audi's best ever cars for the price of a new Corolla (or less) and turn it into a vehicle better than 90+% of the other cars on the road with 10-20k in mods :)

[Bartlett]

Perhaps, but still cheaper than encountering brake failure and crashing the car (or worse). If we wanted to be practical we would all be driving base stock Corollas, instead we should rejoice that we have the chance to pick up one of Audi's best ever cars for the price of a new Corolla (or less) and turn it into a vehicle better than 90+% of the other cars on the road with 10-20k in mods :)

I definitely agree for the most part. But, for someone that isn't planning to keep the car for a lifetime, it's not sensible to invest $7k for brakes (and not even top tier brakes) on a $20k car with the likelihood of seeing no more than $2k in resale a few years later. Brakes are grossly overpriced for some reason. Not sure what market forces are at play here.

Pay to play, sure. But life is a thing and unless one is wasteful or rich, there is likely a better option. AKA A8 brakes AKA B9 S4 brakes AKA a different platform, etc. If you're middle-class, $7k on brakes is probably pretty stupid lol

80% + of track racing comes down to pads and fluid anyway.

[Envy187]

Perhaps, but still cheaper than encountering brake failure and crashing the car (or worse). If we wanted to be practical we would all be driving base stock Corollas, instead we should rejoice that we have the chance to pick up one of Audi's best ever cars for the price of a new Corolla (or less) and turn it into a vehicle better than 90+% of the other cars on the road with 10-20k in mods :)

Well said, Skyler. [up] Just like with tires, one musn't penny-pinch. The money you spend on such products can make all the difference, not necessarily in time of danger/last minute braking or weaving...but when you want to have a little fun along the way, too!

Spending thousand(s) for such items shouldn't even phase a person who's committed to driving the vehicle the way it was meant to be driven, regardless if it's long-term or short-term. It's just the perks of being a "car guy"/car aficionado. [drive] #paytoplay.

[DufraineMK6]

You might get away with those pads on a light car but not one that is ~3800 lbs + driver weight.

You likley took them out of their heat range.

Get pads that get into the 1400-1600F range.

Yea man. I’m surprised my tires didn’t melt. Even more surprised they got so hot after about 4 miles of super hard driving on a windy country road. Probably felt twice as hot as my grill.


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[DufraineMK6]

I also never had this problem with my OEM pads


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