Anyone have numbers on the JHM K04-R with the JHM flash?

[rhfosu]

Considering the JHM K04 with their flash to replace my APR tune and loba K04. JHM doesn't seem to have HP/Torque numbers posted on their site. Anyone know what they are?

[EvolutionArmory]

That’s the question of the century right there.

MANY people would like to know this.

[vce1232000]

That’s the question of the century right there.

MANY people would like to know this.

[eek]........[:p]

[rhfosu]

I wondered if this might be a sore subject.

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[vce1232000]

I wondered if this might be a sore subject.
[o_o] for yourself https://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/773894-JHM-K04-R-Group-Buy/page4

[wootwoot]

The only numbers you'll find are quarter mile numbers.

[B7S3wannabi]

Lol. Probably best to get their hardware and either keep your APR tune or get a custom tune.
I was considering a custom Malone tune but am pretty focused on getting the M to where I want it first. Hopefully be done before I put it away for the winter and then just go twin scroll on the Audi.


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[EvolutionArmory]

The only numbers you'll find are quarter mile numbers.

There aren’t even any of those.

[Avant4me]

Stage 2

https://youtu.be/pgHWqgPqVYI

Various dynos
https://youtu.be/G_Zro23H9GI

[rhfosu]

[o_o] for yourself https://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/773894-JHM-K04-R-Group-Buy/page4I had read some of this previously, and talked to evolution about his k04-R experience. I had known for a while their k04 flash was in beta testing, but it looks like it's out now. I find the lack of test numbers curious, tho.

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[onedumslack]

If the tune is out of beta then they haven't notified all the beta testers that the final is available now.

[EvolutionArmory]

I had read some of this previously, and talked to evolution about his k04-R experience. I had known for a while their k04 flash was in beta testing, but it looks like it's out now. I find the lack of test numbers curious, tho.

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They say in their product description that they were able to turn the car into a “monsterous street machine” but post no other information about what that means. No 1/4 mile runs or dynos so that could mean literally anything. I also find the lack of test numbers curious. If their tune isn’t close to being finished, what tune did they do their R&D testing on to make sure the turbo performed like it should. Or did they just source a turbo from Aliexpress and just run with it with no testing? Where’s the data?


If the tune is out of beta then they haven't notified all the beta testers that the final is available now.

Their K04 package still lists the tune as being in beta form.

[EvolutionArmory]

I know a lot of people might be sick of hearing this but take it from a JHM K04R owner, buy a CTS Turbo K04 kit. Don’t buy something on the hope that it might be cooler. Buy something that is proven to work.

[rhfosu]

If the tune is out of beta then they haven't notified all the beta testers that the final is available now.I just assumed it was out of beta. On the website they don't mention anything about this being a test file. They certainly appear to be charging full price for it.

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[EvolutionArmory]

I just assumed it was out of beta. On the website they don't mention anything about this being a test file. They certainly appear to be charging full price for it.

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To be fair, that isn’t really accurate.

The K04R kit states that the K04 tune they offer is a safe base file. It’s on their website.

It’s not really for sale as a stand alone purchase. I think only one or 2 people were allowed to purchase it at full retail and one person hasn’t even installed it yet after 3 years.

It’s available as a 300 dollar upgrade for existing JHM customers which I think is ridiculous. It should be a free upgrade for existing JHM customers who buy the K04R until the OTS tune is available. Then have them pay the upgrade if they want to flash the finalized (and hopefully good) K04 tune.

[rhfosu]

To be fair, that isn’t really accurate.

The K04R kit states that the K04 tune they offer is a safe base file. It’s on their website.

It’s not really for sale as a stand alone purchase. I think only one or 2 people were allowed to purchase it at full retail and one person hasn’t even installed it yet after 3 years.

It’s available as a 300 dollar upgrade for existing JHM customers which I think is ridiculous. It should be a free upgrade for existing JHM customers who buy the K04R until the OTS tune is available. Then have them pay the upgrade if they want to flash the finalized (and hopefully good) K04 tune.Ok. I missed that. I just noticed they included it for $2400 as part of the kit if you needed a tune. I didn't see the words beta or test anywhere. I wouldn't pay $800 for a tune to be someone's guinea pig.

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[EvolutionArmory]

I’m still hoping they are able to make this K04 tune work right and have the absolute best K04 tune on the market. I’d like to see that. Honestly. I’d like them to turn their biggest critic right now (me) into their biggest supporter because if this tune ever drops, I flash it and it’s amazing, I’ll sing their praises just as loud as I’ve expressed my disappointment.

What I’d also like to see is the data they gathered while doing their R&D. Logs, quarter mile time slips, a compressor map, anything really.

But part of me would like to forget that the tune even exists or forget about the 900 bucks I’ve spent on JHM software. 😀 I hope they can make me eat my words more though.

[vce1232000]

Ok. I wouldn't pay $800 for a tune to be someone's guinea pig

exactly [;)]

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I’m still hoping they are able to make this K04 tune work right and have the absolute best K04 tune on the market. I’d like to see that. Honestly. I’d like them to turn their biggest critic right now (me) into their biggest supporter because if this tune ever drops, 😀 I hope they can make me eat my words more though.

Same here [;)]

[onedumslack]

It's now almost the next winter from the last time they quoted saying they'd have this tune by the end of last winter. I'd just like a refund at this point.

[EvolutionArmory]

The latest update is they plan to release the B7 K04 tune when they release the B8 K04 tune.

I have no idea why that even makes sense since the motors in both platform aren’t remotely similar except for the fact that they share the same displacement and are turbocharged 😀

[vce1232000]

It's now almost the next winter from the last time they quoted saying they'd have this tune by the end of last winter. I'd just like a refund at this point.

Dont think they'll offer even that[:(]. Ive been almost waiting 3 years now. Paid for this tune back in 10-2015 [eek]

[EvolutionArmory]

They also borrowed a customer’s car for R&D so hopefully they make SOME sort of progress.

I find it hilarious that they have to use a customer’s car to finalize a product they’ve had for a couple years now. Especially since they had at least 3 B7 A4’s there. The budget build car, Jake’s wagon (sold) and Dru’s wagon (also sold). 🤣

[EvolutionArmory]

What I find even more funny is that if you search for Jake’s B7 product development thread, posts in late 14 and early 15 have people asking if JHM has any plans on doing a K04. Jake says no and says they are working on a big turbo kit with no plans on doing a K04. Page 32

https://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/552666-(Jake-JHM’s)-2008-B7-A4-2-0T-Product-Development-Build-Thread/page32

No plans on doing a K04 just yet as of 3/6/2015

A few months later, there’s a K04 file. It makes you wonder exactly how much R&D actually went into this project at all.

[vce1232000]

They also borrowed a customer’s car for R&D so hopefully they make SOME sort of progress.

I find it hilarious that they have to use a customer’s car to finalize a product they’ve had for a couple years now. Especially since they had at least 3 B7 A4’s there. The budget build car, Jake’s wagon (sold) and Dru’s wagon (also sold). 🤣

I smell some Bull[poop] on there end [eek]. I was told that their beta[race] tune was better then the APR KO4 finalized tune. Then was told a year later then it was marginal @ best. Lucky for me Im not hurting for the $$$$$ or elso I mite be [evilmad] as HELL.....

I own my own business. So for me my reputation on and delivering a [up] service & product is more important then a few lousy $$$$$$ [:)]

[onedumslack]

Then whens the b8 tune release? End of winter?

[vce1232000]

Then whens the b8 tune release? End of winter?

your guess[confused] is as [up] as anyone elses @ this stage of the game

[EvolutionArmory]

I edited post 23 for more info.

[onedumslack]

:-) my sarcasm and bitterness do not transfer onto the internet well. I was previously doing logging a while ago, but after about 3-4 logging's and many months of being strung along that they're actually doing anything with my logs I've abandoned being beta tester and just looking to the now better sounding alternatives that have arrived.

[onedumslack]

What I find even more funny is that if you search for Jake’s B7 product development thread, posts in late 14 and early 15 have people asking if JHM has any plans on doing a K04. Jake says no and says they are working on a big turbo kit with no plans on doing a K04. Page 32

https://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/552666-(Jake-JHM’s)-2008-B7-A4-2-0T-Product-Development-Build-Thread/page32

No plans on doing a K04 just yet as of 3/6/2015

A few months later, there’s a K04 file. It makes you wonder exactly how much R&D actually went into this project at all.

They used to pitch that they aren't doing a k04 because there was no need with their other turbo existing.

[carguy138]

Go APR. I had their K04 S3 kit on my B7 A4 and it worked flawlessly. Buy complete kit, install it (one weekend), get APR K04 flash and done. No tuning BS, fitment headaches, install problems, etc. Drove the car for a few years and put 30k miles on it with no issues. I also visited their facility in Opelika, AL and it is no joke.

In 10+ years of modding cars and following car forums; there are tons of companies that come and go. Stay with tried and true solutions unless the car in question is a pure project car and acknowledge that you may spend years tinkering with it and never getting it 100%. Also, as a consumer I expect a fully finished/vetted product and refuse to be a BETA tester.

ALSO when you see youtube videos of 1/4 mile runs, launches etc. Assume that the car is on the ragged edge of blowing up and may have had the motor/drivetrain rebuilt multiple times.

Sure there are exceptions but generally stick with OEM+ parts (like Audi OEM RS4 sway bar vs aftermarket). You may get a little more power with other options but can be very hit/miss.

I generally stick to this rule unless there is a compelling reason to look elsewhere.

Audi/Porsche: APR
BMW: Dinan

[rhfosu]

Go APR. I had their K04 S3 kit on my B7 A4 and it worked flawlessly. Buy complete kit, install it (one weekend), get APR K04 flash and done. No tuning BS, fitment headaches, install problems, etc. Drove the car for a few years and put 30k miles on it with no issues. I also visited their facility in Opelika, AL and it is no joke.

In 10+ years of modding cars and following car forums; there are tons of companies that come and go. Stay with tried and true solutions unless the car in question is a pure project car and acknowledge that you may spend years tinkering with it and never getting it 100%. Also, as a consumer I expect a fully finished/vetted product and refuse to be a BETA tester.

ALSO when you see youtube videos of 1/4 mile runs, launches etc. Assume that the car is on the ragged edge of blowing up and may have had the motor/drivetrain rebuilt multiple times.

Sure there are exceptions but generally stick with OEM+ parts (like Audi OEM RS4 sway bar vs aftermarket). You may get a little more power with other options but can be very hit/miss.

I generally stick to this rule unless there is a compelling reason to look elsewhere.

Audi/Porsche: APR
BMW: Dinan


I bought my car off of a guy who worked for APR in Opelika, with an APR K04 and tune. I flew down to Alabama and drove the car back to DC. Car ran great, until the K04 blew up after 20k miles. I only had the car 4 months/2k miles. This is why I am exploring different K04s. I replaced my APR unit with a brand new loba unit, but I am having low boost issues now. I'm tired of the CEL, and I am tired of experimenting for a solution. I just want the car to run right.

[EvolutionArmory]

Did you ever log your actual boost VS requested or your N75 duty cycle?

[EvolutionArmory]

My K04R was slow as balls because my wastegate was set low.

Before adjustment
http://i1038.photobucket.com/albums/a461/1030dave/4D8FE6E1-1BF5-464A-BA28-CFD1F59B38F6_zpsghdjviis.jpg (http://s1038.photobucket.com/user/1030dave/media/4D8FE6E1-1BF5-464A-BA28-CFD1F59B38F6_zpsghdjviis.jpg.html)

After adjusting wastegate crack pressure 2 PSI from 6 to 8. I could probably adjust it to 9 or 10 and be fine. Maybe your wastegate crack pressure is set lower than what the tune is expecting or written for.
http://i1038.photobucket.com/albums/a461/1030dave/974738F0-5F0F-4D4C-A90E-7B2161ED278B_zpso1c2vhrj.jpg (http://s1038.photobucket.com/user/1030dave/media/974738F0-5F0F-4D4C-A90E-7B2161ED278B_zpso1c2vhrj.jpg.html)

[EvolutionArmory]

:-) my sarcasm and bitterness do not transfer onto the internet well. I was previously doing logging a while ago, but after about 3-4 logging's and many months of being strung along that they're actually doing anything with my logs I've abandoned being beta tester and just looking to the now better sounding alternatives that have arrived.

I too did logs for them. Waited a while before any progress was made. I got tired of waiting and got GIAC’s K04 file. The funny part is, half way through my GIAC flash I got a call from Dru telling me my logs weren’t good and I’d need to do them again. I told him that info would have been useful an hour ago. 🤣🤣

[onedumslack]

I too did logs for them. Waited a while before any progress was made. I got tired of waiting and got GIAC’s K04 file. The funny part is, half way through my GIAC flash I got a call from Dru telling me my logs weren’t good and I’d need to do them again. I told him that info would have been useful an hour ago. 🤣🤣

After the last set of logs where I waited for 6 months for them to review and make a new revision while they were apparently fully aware they were not working on it but hiding this fact. I'm not wasting my time anymore doing that testing for them which I had to pay $900 to have the privilege to run this beta software. Most other company's would offer compensation for such crap service. I started researching motoza tuning and there's even threads of that company giving discounts for something as simple as not returning a call by accident.

[rhfosu]

Did you ever log your actual boost VS requested or your N75 duty cycle?

Actual vs requested was 200mb low. My wastegate is cracking at precisely 7psi, which matches the APR program. After talking to you, I was dead set on tightening the adjuster in 1/2 turn increments and re-logging, but my adjuster is simply not accessible from up top or down below. It has the stock BW adjuster, which is two counter-rotating nuts underneath a metal bracket. Short of pulling the turbo, I don't see how I can adjust it.

[A4_PimP]

It's always a shame when a company does that to customers. When I had my first car I had the same experience. There was a company that at first gave great discounts, great customer service and mod parts that you couldn't find anywhere else. Then gradually people started to complain. I beleive their overhead was out of control so they took customers money to pay it and then couldn't get the parts. I ordered a ceramic coated header and got a 2 month shipping timeframe which wasn't crazy being it was coming from across the border. Then 2 months turned to 6 months and my tons of emails/phone calls went un-answered. When I finally got through the excuse was that the part was having major issues and it would be another 2-3 months to be shipped. I asked for a refund which never arrived and after a couple of weeks I heard on the forum that the owner of the company ran away in the night leaving the warehouse and everything. A bunch of people with unfilled orders filled the thread. Ughhhh it just plain sucks for all the other companies becasue customers get distrustful.

[Denio24]

Actual vs requested was 200mb low. My wastegate is cracking at precisely 7psi, which matches the APR program. After talking to you, I was dead set on tightening the adjuster in 1/2 turn increments and re-logging, but my adjuster is simply not accessible from up top or down below. It has the stock BW adjuster, which is two counter-rotating nuts underneath a metal bracket. Short of pulling the turbo, I don't see how I can adjust it.

Looks like you're just going to have to pull the turbo!

[Denio24]

It's always a shame when a company does that to customers. When I had my first car I had the same experience. There was a company that at first gave great discounts, great customer service and mod parts that you couldn't find anywhere else. Then gradually people started to complain. I beleive their overhead was out of control so they took customers money to pay it and then couldn't get the parts. I ordered a ceramic coated header and got a 2 month shipping timeframe which wasn't crazy being it was coming from across the border. Then 2 months turned to 6 months and my tons of emails/phone calls went un-answered. When I finally got through the excuse was that the part was having major issues and it would be another 2-3 months to be shipped. I asked for a refund which never arrived and after a couple of weeks I heard on the forum that the owner of the company ran away in the night leaving the warehouse and everything. A bunch of people with unfilled orders filled the thread. Ughhhh it just plain sucks for all the other companies becasue customers get distrustful.

MJM autohaus by any chance?

[EvolutionArmory]

After the last set of logs where I waited for 6 months for them to review and make a new revision while they were apparently fully aware they were not working on it but hiding this fact. I'm not wasting my time anymore doing that testing for them which I had to pay $900 to have the privilege to run this beta software. Most other company's would offer compensation for such crap service. I started researching motoza tuning and there's even threads of that company giving discounts for something as simple as not returning a call by accident.

To their credit, JHM was very helpful with paying me back for all the money I spent diagnosing the runner flap problem their software causes on 2005.5 cars and paying me back for the money I spent on diagnosing the wastegate and intercooler issues I had. Getting the 900 back on a tune that never really worked like it should would be pretty awesome but I won’t hold my breath. 😀

[Charles.waite]

Look into United Motorsports for a k04 tune. Seriously.

[A4_PimP]

MJM autohaus by any chance?

Nah this was back in the day of my first car. I was driving domestics then. I can’t remember the name of the company for the life of me but they catered to Domestics and Dodge Neons in particular.


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[TWiST]

I was a part of the group buy for the k04-r last year, I think it was July 2017. I still have not gotten around to installing it yet as I have been driving it regularly and gathering more parts for the rebuild / upgrade.

[rhfosu]

Look into United Motorsports for a k04 tune. Seriously.

Hmm. Any other info? Did you get a tune from UM?

[Charles.waite]

Not yet, waiting for my lazy ass to finish building my new engine. Then I’m going with their stage one. Going back and forth on whether I’m going k04 or 2860r in the future. UM’s Golf R tunes put out some crazy numbers on stock hardware, which is basically the same as our engine but with stronger rods, and a different intake cam profile.

They also support semi-custom BT tuning and they’re very familiar with GT turbos hence my other choice there. And the tunes come with launch control, configurable octane levels via VCDS, and no-lift shift which is all pretty cool. Word is their stage 1 tune makes really solid power on our platform as well.

[EvolutionArmory]

Here's some positive news on the JHM K04.

I logged the highest MAF readings I've ever logged today. 266gs at close to redline. MAF to HP rule of thumb puts that at 332.5 CHP

It's not the most useful data but at least it's something.

[funkypterodacty]

How do you log maf values in vcds?

[Charles.waite]

Engine -> advanced measuring, find the checkbox that says air mass or whatever, and check it.

Also, to expand on my turbo dilemma, since they’re obviously very different turbos (325-ish chp for the k04 vs around 450chp for the gtx). A k04 miiiight get me where I want to go with a few extra mods that I’m sort of meh on doing for a DD. A gtx2860 will definitely exceed my plans.

So it’s run a k04 on the ragged edge vs run the gtx fairly conservatively to reach approximately 50whp more on the gtx than the k04. The only plus for the k04 is that it’s cheaper and has an OEM manifold. Otherwise I’d prefer to run a bigger turbo at lower boost as long as it’s spoil characteristics are tolerable for the traffic and city driving I live in every day.

[EvolutionArmory]

How do you log maf values in vcds?

Log block 003.

[EvolutionArmory]

Engine -> advanced measuring, find the checkbox that says air mass or whatever, and check it.

Also, to expand on my turbo dilemma, since they’re obviously very different turbos (325-ish chp for the k04 vs around 450chp for the gtx). A k04 miiiight get me where I want to go with a few extra mods that I’m sort of meh on doing for a DD. A gtx2860 will definitely exceed my plans.

So it’s run a k04 on the ragged edge vs run the gtx fairly conservatively to reach approximately 50whp more on the gtx than the k04. The only plus for the k04 is that it’s cheaper and has an OEM manifold. Otherwise I’d prefer to run a bigger turbo at lower boost as long as it’s spoil characteristics are tolerable for the traffic and city driving I live in every day.

Running a bigger turbo with a more conservative tune makes sense but once you go bigger than K04, you start running into different fueling demands that the low side can’t handle without getting creative. Start adding an RS4 pump controller that you can’t really find any more, upgraded in tank fuel pumps or Torquebyte and your cost climbs even more. Even at K04 power levels I’m getting a little lean at WOT on the stock fuel pump components.

I’m not trying to sway your opinion in any way but now that I’m making forward progress on getting my K04 running right, I’m starting to really like my car again. I’m getting MAF values a hair away from 270 GS, full boost at 2800, intake temps are under 100 degrees and the car feels great. It’s more about picking the right K04 and supporting mods.

Swapping my intercooler core alone made a world of difference in flow. It’s amazing what a cheaper supporting mod will do to kill performance. I gained 12 GS on the MAF by simply swapping from a JHM small core to a Treadstone TR6.

[vce1232000]

Swapping my intercooler core alone made a world of difference in flow. It’s amazing what a cheaper supporting mod will do to kill performance. I gained 12 GS on the MAF by simply swapping from a JHM small core to a Treadstone TR6.

[up] choice on [wrench] the TR6 fmic

[EvolutionArmory]

[up] choice on [wrench] the TR6 fmic

Intake temps went down 18F at redline too.

[vvenom800tt]

Intake temps went down 18F at redline too.TR6 is tits. Love mine.

Glad yours is working out well.

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[texasboy21]

Running a bigger turbo with a more conservative tune makes sense but once you go bigger than K04, you start running into different fueling demands that the low side can’t handle without getting creative. Start adding an RS4 pump controller that you can’t really find any more, upgraded in tank fuel pumps or Torquebyte and your cost climbs even more. Even at K04 power levels I’m getting a little lean at WOT on the stock fuel pump components.

I’m not trying to sway your opinion in any way but now that I’m making forward progress on getting my K04 running right, I’m starting to really like my car again. I’m getting MAF values a hair away from 270 GS, full boost at 2800, intake temps are under 100 degrees and the car feels great. It’s more about picking the right K04 and supporting mods.

Swapping my intercooler core alone made a world of difference in flow. It’s amazing what a cheaper supporting mod will do to kill performance. I gained 12 GS on the MAF by simply swapping from a JHM small core to a Treadstone TR6.

All good things

[vce1232000]

Intake temps went down 18F at redline too.

[poop] cant beat that with a stick for [race]