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A4x
04-14-2018, 08:49 PM
Overall pretty straight forward drain and re-fill. I was a little unsure of the location of the fill plug before starting this so I grabbed some pictures to help others. I suspect the procedure is the same for 6 MT transmissions.

I think the front differential is more critical to get fresh fluid into than the rear. Reason is the front shares the same housing as the transmission, also it sits right below the exhaust catalytic and downpipe. Temperatures in this region are much hotter than what the rear differential experiences. Looking at the old fluid vs new fluid, I'm glad I got this done. Just crossed over 80k miles (130 km).

Tools you'll need:
1. 8mm allen/hex bit socket + 10 inch extension to remove the fill plug. Allen key probably wont work because you need the better leverage of a bit socket to remove the plug.
2. 5mm allen/hex bit socket or hex key to remove the drain plug. Socket recommended. It needs to be shorter than about 2.5 inches or else you'll have trouble clearing the chassis crossbrace that is right under the drain plug (more on this below).
3. 10mm socket to remove fender liner nuts.
4. 1 L 75W-90 GL5 fluid (OEM part number G052145S2).
5. Fluid pump.
6. Some clean up supplies like shop towels, brake cleen to clean up the drained oil you will spill.
7. Torque wrench recommended, however I didn't use one. Fill plug spec is 27 Nm, drain plug 10 Nm.

We're going to be attacking plug #2 and 3 in this diagram,
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Step 1: Loosen the front passenger wheel lug bolts a quarter turn. Jack up the front passenger side so that the tire is off the ground. Secure the car with a jackstand or 2, block the rear wheels from rolling and/or engage the parking brake. You will be crawling under and working in the wheel well. Remove the tire.

Step 2: Remove the 2x 10mm plastic nuts that hold this plastic fender liner support on. Then remove this plastic support altogether, it just wiggles out. Tuck the rear-most fender liner behind itself so it is out of the way.

https://i.gyazo.com/4aa164925a4306e699fd3503156016f4.png

Step 3: The fill plug is located behind the plastic piece you just removed. Use a 10 inch extension, and an 8mm allen socket to remove the fill plug. No oil will drain out. You can see the oil level sitting just at the bottom of the fill plug hole.

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Step 4: Crawl under either from the front of the car, or from the side where the fill plug is and locate the drain plug. It is a small 5 mm plug right on the bottom of the differential housing. There is not a lot of clerance between the drain plug and the black chassis cross-member. An allen key should fit fine, and a small socket. The total height of the key or socket needs to be less than 2.5-2.75 inches. Here is mine pictured below, and it was just small enough to fit in the drain plug but I could barely get it out. Took me a few minutes of cursing to get it unstuck from the chassis cross-member support.

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Step 5: Remove the drain plug and get ready for a flood of dirty gear oil. It will fall directly onto the chassis cross-member. I just let the shit flow downhill, but you might want to rig up some sort of funnel or guide ahead of time to keep the oil off the cross-member. Let it drain for a good 15 minutes then replace the plug, torque to 10 Nm.

Drain plug and fill plug side by side. Notice the black crud on the fill plug, it took some scrubbing to get it off. The drain plug also had it but was already cleaned for this picture.

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Step 6: Use a clean fluid pump to pump in 0.9 L of 75W-90 GL5 fluid. Fill until it starts draining from the fill plug. I went with OEM since I trust it is good (I believe it is made by Fuchs). You could probably easily rig up a funnel and tube setup. You just need tubing at least a few feet long to clear the obstacles in the way.

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Step 7: Replace the fill plug and torque to 27 Nm.

Old fluid vs new fluid. Definitely time for a change (80k miles).

https://i.gyazo.com/0e636c010867d849c59a2543c59b25fa.png

Clean up any mess, replace the fender liner support and 2x 10mm nuts. Put the tire back on and lower the car. Your car will thank you for the fresh oil!

Spawne32
04-14-2018, 09:34 PM
been meaning to do this for over a year and we went from spring today, 85 degrees and winter tomorrow -_-

Novarider
04-15-2018, 02:49 AM
Where did you get the gear oil? I know Mobil etc can be bought at a local parts place but I would prefer to use whatever audi uses.

A4x
04-15-2018, 06:37 AM
Where did you get the gear oil? I know Mobil etc can be bought at a local parts place but I would prefer to use whatever audi uses.

ECS. I bet your local dealer carries this as well. Give them a call.
https://www.ecstuning.com/b-genuine-volkswagen-audi-parts/synthetic-gear-oil-75w90-1-liter/g052145s2/

BrianVan
04-15-2018, 07:47 PM
Fantastic write up. Thanks. I've got 2 liters (front and rear) Liquid Moly 75w-90 synth GL5 on order from ESC coming in a week or so. Perfect timing. There have been some other write ups on this, but you nailed it.

A4 Centaur
04-15-2018, 08:49 PM
Thanks much!

LTopher
06-17-2018, 07:34 PM
Thanks for this! About to do my front, center, and rear diffs and this helps a lot

daughtersA4
09-13-2019, 11:08 PM
I did the front diff today and it went smooth. These instructions are great, thanks A4x for the detailed DIY.

One observation I have is that after doing it once I believe I could do the whole job again without removing the wheel and with the car on ramps. There is good access to the fill hole from the bottom. It can be accessed with a stubby 3/8 ratchet and the 8mm Allen socket. Bring the lube hose up the same way and pump away.

Anyway, 116k miles on the lube I took out. It was dark red like the pic above. Nice to know it’s got fresh lube now. I will do the rear tomorrow.

elscotto80
09-14-2019, 08:22 AM
6MT do not have fluid for the front diff, it's shared with the trans fluid.

Excellent write up!

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C Cortez
10-22-2019, 09:03 PM
Thank you A4x, your post is just the detail needed.

Regarding "dirty gear oil. It will fall directly onto the chassis cross-member". I use a Form-A-Funnel tool just for these tight, situations to guide the oil into a container. Amazon sells it : https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B017MTFIYE/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

AudiC7Owners
11-05-2019, 01:07 PM
is the rear differential fluid change pretty self explanatory?

A4x
11-05-2019, 03:28 PM
is the rear differential fluid change pretty self explanatory?

Yes, but read this:
https://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/535388-B8-A4-DIY-Rear-Differential-Fluid-Change?highlight=DIY

AudiC7Owners
11-05-2019, 03:46 PM
Yes, but read this:
https://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/535388-B8-A4-DIY-Rear-Differential-Fluid-Change?highlight=DIY

Awesome. Thank you. Probably going to do these two when I do my Trans fluid change.

You seem to have this stuff down... Any diy on the transfer case?


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Depthcharge
11-06-2019, 11:37 AM
The oil for the transfer case is different however. G-055-515-A2 "Transfer case oil" the old version is called "Gear Oil"

A4x
11-06-2019, 12:27 PM
Awesome. Thank you. Probably going to do these two when I do my Trans fluid change.

You seem to have this stuff down... Any diy on the transfer case?



I think member jfo is resident expert on the transfer case. Try to PM him.

I have not done mine, but I would like to. From what I remember from jfo, the drain plug is very hard to access and you have to remove other components to get to it. The easiest way is to only open the fill plug, suck fluid out, and re-fill fresh fluid up to the plug level. As posted above, the fluid for the transfer case is special because it has a friction modifier added in it. The jury is still out on whether the friction modifier stays behind on the metal surfaces and doesn't need to be added in with fresh fluid, or if you need to use the expensive friction modifier fluid.

Depthcharge
11-11-2019, 08:01 AM
Just out of curiosity - did you keep all the transmission mounts stock or swap them out A4x?

A4x
11-11-2019, 10:49 AM
I have the ECS transmission mount and I like it. Stock diff mounts.

magicmarker
11-17-2019, 10:56 AM
Another thread used Redline MT-90 in the rear diff. How about using that in the front? I've had great luck with that oil

jfo
11-17-2019, 11:56 AM
Another thread used Redline MT-90 in the rear diff. How about using that in the front? I've had great luck with that oil

Our cars call for a GL5 gear oil and that one is GL4. Here's an excerpt noting the difference....

The main difference between GL-4 and GL-5 gear oils is the amount of EP additives. Sulphur/Phosphorus containing products are used as EP-additive. This additive has the purpose to prevent the occurrence of micro-welds on the gear flanks at the local high temperatures which prevail in EP circumstances (temperatures well in excess of 800℃!) GL-5 has roughly twice the amount of EP additives compared to GL-4, which is why it is often used in high-pressure circumstances such as in a front axle and rear axle differential.

cuda2000
01-01-2020, 05:28 AM
New DIY Videos!!
1. Rear Differential Gear Oil video:https://youtu.be/RLyTP5qIRQk

2. Front Differential Gear Oil video:https://youtu.be/xwD-gGGTyfE

3. Transmission fluid and Center Transfer Case oil video:https://youtu.be/IY_VRHlfJuQ

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AudiC7Owners
01-02-2020, 11:44 AM
New DIY Videos!!
1. Rear Differential Gear Oil video:https://youtu.be/RLyTP5qIRQk

2. Front Differential Gear Oil video:https://youtu.be/xwD-gGGTyfE

3. Transmission fluid and Center Transfer Case oil video:https://youtu.be/IY_VRHlfJuQ

Sent from my LM-G820 using Audizine mobile app (http://r.tapatalk.com/byo?rid=87676)Awesome. Gonna use these when I do my Transmission fluid diy.

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Chillaxin
01-06-2020, 09:43 AM
Our cars call for a GL5 gear oil and that one is GL4. Here's an excerpt noting the difference....

The main difference between GL-4 and GL-5 gear oils is the amount of EP additives. Sulphur/Phosphorus containing products are used as EP-additive. This additive has the purpose to prevent the occurrence of micro-welds on the gear flanks at the local high temperatures which prevail in EP circumstances (temperatures well in excess of 800℃!) GL-5 has roughly twice the amount of EP additives compared to GL-4, which is why it is often used in high-pressure circumstances such as in a front axle and rear axle differential.

https://www.redlineoil.com/75w90-gl-5-gear-oil

https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/75w90-gear-oil-quart-oil-57904#description

This is what I'll be using in my front and rear diffs.

audilife23
01-06-2020, 09:48 PM
Within this year I plan on doing a major service on my Audi B8.5 A4 rolling on 88k miles entailing of:
-coolant flush
-timing chain
-transmission fluid and filter.

I have the ZF 8 speed auto and reading on this post it’s highly recommended to replace the front differential oil too. Shouldn’t the rear be replaced too, just for peace of mind? Does it matter if I have the torque vectoring diff or not? Since both front and rear diffs seem to use the same fluid.

A4x
01-06-2020, 10:13 PM
^^^yes do the rear too while you're at it. I just think the front is slightly more critical since it runs hotter. The heat will degrade the fluid faster.

If you have an A4 then I dont think it's possible you have the torque vectoring rear diff.

In case somehow you do have the torque vectoring rear diff, check the S4 DIY sticky. They have a guide for replacing the fluids. It requires 2 separate types of fluid each with their own drain and fill location.

Smac770
01-08-2020, 03:52 AM
Did this this evening (last evening?). I didn't need to take the tire off. I did remove the two plastic 10mm nuts so I could move the plastic arch that sits over the axle at the wheel well liner area. That allowed a straight shot on the fill plug with an 11" overall long 8mm bit+socket+extension. Very easy to use any breaker bar and torque wrench on the plug in that configuration. The torque spec for that fill plug on the 0B6 6-speed auto is 35Nm.

For the drain plug, torquing it was very easy with my latest torque wrench that I got some months ago. Highly recommend it if you don't have a 1/4" low range torque wrench: Tekton TRQ21101 (the one that does 1.1-16.9Nm).

I had picked up a funnel at Wal-Mart that Husky marketed as for ad-blue filling, maybe? Worked great for draining the front diff; it sat on the x-beam no problem.
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Bill Millet
02-10-2021, 06:06 PM
6MT do not have fluid for the front diff, it's shared with the trans fluid.

Excellent write up!

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I really hope this is true. I have been struggling to find confirming information on this.

I have my transmission out and when I removed the Driver side front axle, oil leaked onto the floor from the axle shaft. I haven't been able to find a fill or drain hole anywhere near the front diff but can easily get to the transmission fill hole if this services the front diff as well.
Looking for any additional verification of this if anyone can confirm. Thanks so much.

Jibril
08-06-2021, 12:24 PM
Thanks for this! About to do my front, center, and rear diffs and this helps a lot

Can u please provide for me what the front use and center and back kind of oil? I mean is center another oil then rear and front?

Is the rear and front same 70-90w ? Then what does the ce ter is and what is it called?

Chillaxin
08-09-2021, 08:05 AM
Can u please provide for me what the front use and center and back kind of oil? I mean is center another oil then rear and front?

Is the rear and front same 70-90w ? Then what does the ce ter is and what is it called?

Front & rear diff use a GL-4 75w-90. Center diff requires specific Torsen additives in the fluid. OEM fluid or Ravenol, the only other aftermarket fluid recommended for the center diff.

jfo
08-09-2021, 10:47 AM
Front & rear diff use a GL-4 75w-90. Center diff requires specific Torsen additives in the fluid. OEM fluid or Ravenol, the only other aftermarket fluid recommended for the center diff.

I believe it's GL-5 spec.

Chillaxin
08-16-2021, 02:00 PM
I believe it's GL-5 spec.

https://www.rymax-lubricants.com/updates/the-differences-between-gl-4-and-gl-5/

jfo
08-16-2021, 07:20 PM
https://www.rymax-lubricants.com/updates/the-differences-between-gl-4-and-gl-5/

Yes, but your post said to use GL4 for front and rear diff.

arjun90
07-24-2022, 01:53 PM
Doesn't the transfer case use a slightly different fluid with friction modifier?

Smac770
07-24-2022, 02:32 PM
On the ZF automatics, the center diff gear oil part number (G 055 145) is not the same as the front and rear differential gear oil part number (G 052 145).

The curiosity comes with the 0B1-0B5 transmissions (6MT and DCT), where the gearbox (normally a GL-4) and the front diff (normally a GL-5) and the center diff (Torsen specifics) share a common gear oil capacity. The rear diff still uses the same differential gear oil (G 052 145). The 0B1 and 0B2 with <200hp engines use G 052 532 "MTF gear oil". The 0B2 with >200hp engines and the 0B5 DCT use G 055 532. And the higher torque 0B3 and 0B4 use G 052 911. So are those GL-4 as one would normally find in a gearbox, or GL-5 as one would normally find in a diff, or some kind of hybrid mix since it's lubricating a gearbox, a hypoid gear (final drive), and a Torsen diff? Who will ever really know.

mhalfpen
07-27-2023, 03:02 PM
Can't for the life of me find the part number for the front differential drain plug. Does anyone have it? For the smaller plug. Looks to be an M10.
Looking to replace it. Thanks in advance!

Smac770
07-27-2023, 04:16 PM
Audi doesn't have part numbers for the plug directly, it's in that "all the plugs" expensive kit, 0BL 398 048. Maybe the parts department can see if that repair kit (middle trio are x98) has a component parts break down.

https://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/910777-Demystifying-ZF8-Transmission-Front-Center-Rear-Differential-Drain-amp-Fill-plugs

mhalfpen
07-27-2023, 05:54 PM
Audi doesn't have part numbers for the plug directly, it's in that "all the plugs" expensive kit, 0BL 398 048. Maybe the parts department can see if that repair kit (middle trio are x98) has a component parts break down.

https://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/910777-Demystifying-ZF8-Transmission-Front-Center-Rear-Differential-Drain-amp-Fill-plugs

Thanks! I think that got me where i need to go.

josepr
01-26-2024, 09:50 AM
this info would be great , and is what i need for the 2004 a4 quattro B6 3.0 automatic trans.....anyone ?

Smac770
01-26-2024, 03:39 PM
this info would be great , and is what i need for the 2004 a4 quattro B6 3.0 automatic trans.....anyone ?

You'd need to inquire in the B6 A4 forum to be sure, as the type 01V (5HP19FLA) used then is not the same transmission as the type 0B6 (6HP28AF) and type 0BK (8HP55A) used in the B8.

https://www.ilcats.ru/audi/?function=getParts&market=USA&model=A4Q&modelcode=249&year=2004&group=3&subgroup=300&part=300060&language=en
Looks like ATF is G 052 162 A2 and front final drive gear oil is G 052 145 S2. No reference to the center diff oil.

https://aftermarket.zf.com/remotemedia/pdfc-media/pdfc-files/pdfc-downloads-1/2017-2/pdfc-5hp19fla.pdf
Looks like it's the same general design of three fluid chambers. Same center diff fluid ref as the B8 era, G 055 145 A2.
The doc covers how to do the fluid process.

https://aftermarket.zf.com/remotemedia/lol-lubricants/lol-en/lol-te-ml-11-en.pdf
Lifeguard 5 for the 5HP19FLA, which is G 052 162 A2 in Audi bottles.