DSG Clutch Pack Upgrade

[BigTex]

For those who went stage 3 on their S6, has anyone looked into upgrading the clutch packs in the DSG to handle more torque? I recall when I had my BMW M5 that those who went with bigger turbos upgraded their clutch packs and the cost to do so was reasonable. I believe most people see SSP. Supports 900+lb torque. Here is link. http://sspperformance.shopgate.com/item/323337


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[OlyS6]

Would love to know more about this as well, but honestly haven't looked into it yet.

[Ze_Nardo6]

Great topic! As stated, many more S cars are going stage 3. I threw this info in the dyno thread so I will repost here as well.

According to ETKA, and our long lost friend Vol/A3 turbo/etc, Audi added a few upgrades to the trans/clutches in the facelift cars. Specifically 2 more friction disks, 2 more steel plates and a much thicker C2 clutch circlip.

As Andre stated, we don't know what that translates to in terms of additional power/torque it can withstand, but I have to imagine it accounts for something. Maybe better longevity

[OlyS6]

Thanks again for that info- makes me feel a bit better. Would be awesome to have a backup plan if any issues develop over time.

[jsilas]

Glad you opened up a thread dedicated to this quite intriguing topic. I'll be following this thread with keen interest, since Stage III is undoubtedly in my future.

[Arslàán]

I am looking at the following as mine has started to play up. 65k on clock and last 10k on stage 1.

https://www.sspperformance.com/audi-s4-dsg-s-tronic/clutch-package.html

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[jsilas]

I am looking at the following as mine has started to play up. 65k on clock and last 10k on stage 1.

https://www.sspperformance.com/audi-s4-dsg-s-tronic/clutch-package.html

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Take note that the clutch pack options at your link both exclude S6 from the list of applications. This is true of both the 600 and 800 lb/ft options:


Designed to fit OEM Clutch Basket *DL501 – 7 speed Longitudinal Audi A4, S4, A5, S5, Q5, RS5*

However if you look up the kit on USP Motorsports' website, the fitment warning is even more explicit:


Designed to fit OEM Clutch Basket *DL501 – 7 speed Longitudinal Audi A4, S4, A5, S5, Q5, RS5* (Only fits B8/B8.5 S4/S5 for US Model vehicles)

URL for reference: https://www.uspmotorsports.com/Drivetrain/DSG-Parts/SSP-Stage-3-Audi-800-Ft-lbs-Torque-Clutch-Package.html

That isn't to say it categorically cannot work - I'm not familiar with the details of the different versions of the DL501 to make such a statement - but you'd want to be absolutely certain of fitment before purchasing and attempting installation.

[elp_jc]

Hey guys, a question related to the topic I hope to get answered here [:D]: Who makes our DCT tranny? And by that I mean who makes it, not who assembles it (which is Audi). Since it has a parking feature, it's not Getrag, so my guess is ZF, since Porsche uses it in its PDK. Thanks gang.

[JimmyBones]

I would recommend contacting these guys about this and work with them to get something for the S6/7 transmissions. https://www.dodsonmotorsport.com

[brian_216]

I thought the s6 used the dl511 ?

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[wwhan]

I thought the s6 used the dl511 ?

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Yes, the S6/7 uses the DL511, but it is extremely similar to the DL501 used in the S4 & has the same torque rating.

[Ze_Nardo6]

Yes, the S6/7 uses the DL511, but it is extremely similar to the DL501 used in the S4 & has the same torque rating.

Any idea of the notable differences?

[jsilas]

I thought the s6 used the dl511 ?

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Yes, the S6/7 uses the DL511, but it is extremely similar to the DL501 used in the S4 & has the same torque rating.

I've been confused by that as well. For example, APR clearly describes their TCU tune for S6/S7 as "DL501 S tronic TCU Upgrade for the 4.0 TFSI Platform (https://www.goapr.com/products/tcu_upgrade_dl501_40t.html)". Anyone have a link they can point to which identifies the C7/4.0 S Tronic as DL511 (or any other specific transmission identifier)?

[Dasquade]

The 4.0T self study is speaking of:
S6 Transmission DL511-7Q
A8/S8 Transmission AL551-8Q AL551-8Q

Curious aswell, +80.000km on mine, recently did a clutch recalibration and it took pretty long (but not sure if that is an indication weather they are fairly worn or not). Got quote around 2.000-2.500€ including work to replace with stock parts. The SSP kit was the only kit i had read about, not sure if it ever got installed in the S transmission. Running 877Nm/647Ft-lb here on stage 2 (on dyno we went up to 890Nm be decided to reduce it a bit).
If facelift is running an upgraded clutch kit, that would be a nice alternative.

[Arslàán]

$2200+ including shipping is too expensive. What are alternate options?

[wwhan]

Both 2013-2017 S6 & 2010-2016 S4 have the OB5 transmissions.

It looks like there was a minor change from the 2013 S6 to the 2014 S6 transmission, also some minor changes on the S4 transmission every year from 2010 to 2013.

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2010 S4 TRANSAXLE
Part #: 0B5-300-039C-004
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2011 S4 TRANSAXLE
Part #: 0B5-300-058N-002
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2012 S4 TRANSAXLE
Part #: 0B5-300-058N-003
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2013-2016 Audi S4 TRANSAXLE
Part #: 0B5-300-056C-003
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2013 Audi S6 TRANSAXLE
Part #: 0B5-300-056L-006
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2014-2017 Audi S6 TRANSAXLE
Part #: 0B5-300-062A-002
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[lituoklis88]

So, do we have any upgraded clutches on here. Like the TVS unit or Deka from russian?

[wwhan]

So, do we have any upgraded clutches on here. Like the TVS unit or Deka from russian?

Look here: "I went ahead and ordered the Deka stage 3 clutch/baskets upgraded kit. I have new updated mechatronic ready to go too should be up and running soon." (https://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/869545-P17CF-Code-Slippage-Too-High?p=13864756&viewfull=1#post13864756)

And here: "Had the clutch kit replaced last week." (https://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/837081-Transmission-Issues?p=13480294&viewfull=1#post13480294)

[lituoklis88]

so pulled the trigger on DEKA STAGE 3 clutch. Now just gotta decide if it something i could tackle myself, or have a shop to do it. I have a very hard time giving anything to any shop... lack of attention to detail usually. Anybody know any shops/mechanics around midwest that would know wtf their doing when it comes to DSG?

[gimpgutter]

so pulled the trigger on DEKA STAGE 3 clutch. Now just gotta decide if it something i could tackle myself, or have a shop to do it. I have a very hard time giving anything to any shop... lack of attention to detail usually. Anybody know any shops/mechanics around midwest that would know wtf their doing when it comes to DSG?

I don't have a shop recommendation for you, but I can give you price data. I got two quotes: one from an Audi specialist for $4600, another from a guy who does work on the side for $3500.

[wwhan]

I don't have a shop recommendation for you, but I can give you price data. I got two quotes: one from an Audi specialist for $4600, another from a guy who does work on the side for $3500.

Did you get a quote from Level 10? https://www.levelten.com/

[lituoklis88]

got a quote for ~$2100 clutch installl

[salesmanjoe]

So any updates from anyone on here about upgrading there clutch pack in thier S6? Hows it holding up? Which upgrade did you go with? I see HPA carries one and so does silly rabbit.