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blacka41point8t
01-11-2006, 12:30 PM
Is there a noticeable difference in power with the pc16 setup? Or will I be happy with the k04 with the k04 software? Im kind of pondering if its worth to spend all the extra $ on the intercooler and injectors and fpr for 12 more hp and 30lbs more of torque. What do you guys think?

b00st
01-11-2006, 12:42 PM
oh its noticeable alright. it was night and day when i made the switch.

ask 4ingDrive. he met up with me ask him what he thinks. He runs standard K04 programming. I run PC16....requires FMIC.

4ingDrive is just running standard k04. he doesn't have exhaust.

i have 2.75" exhaust, 310cc injectors, 2.5" downpipe. FMIC, adjustable FPR to run the PC16 file. he is also TIP with TIP chip, I am manual.

but it is a big difference. but i have alot more mods than he does but it is still easy. and he's an avant and i'm a sedan.

b00st
01-11-2006, 12:44 PM
its basically like the people that go from GIAC X chip to GIAC FX chip...they say its like re-chipping your car. same thing with this situation.

blacka41point8t
01-11-2006, 12:48 PM
so 12hp and 30lbs of torque is that much more noticeable huh? for an extra almost 1500 dollars its worth it? (evoms fmic injectors pc16 and adj fpr)

diegomatrix
01-11-2006, 12:51 PM
it's like being chipped all over again..

b00st
01-11-2006, 12:55 PM
i'm sure its more than 12hp and 30ft lbs.

do it or don't. your going to need an FMIC whether you go BT or not. so excluding that factor....i think it can be done for 200 bucks shipped. so yeah its worth it.

i guarantee i would smoke any k04 with same mods on standard file. the file is way more aggresssive. it has more top end than the standard k04 file. for me I had the FMIC long before i went to PC16. I never ran stock IC with my k04. so for me it was 20 bucks to reflash to and 200 for injectors. so 220 upgrade for me and it made an instant notice.

Daft
01-11-2006, 12:56 PM
Originally posted by blacka41point8t
(evoms fmic injectors pc16 and adj fpr)

and an exhaust system if you haven't gotten one yet.....

30Lb Ft. is quite a nice jump though. If you had no K04 at all it would make alot more sense to jump right to a GT28 or t3/t04e instead.

silver 2.8 v30
01-11-2006, 01:01 PM
Awe-tuning also has the pc-16 file and injectors with their 3bar fpr for $200, which is really cheap. I wouldn't recommend running the 3bar but instead getting an adjustable one from ecstuning for 160. Still, $360 isn't much. It took me less than an hour to install it all on my 1.8tqm. Very easy, but of course, you do need a fmic. I have yet to get one since I'm waiting for that new one to come out. I'm not having any problems running it right now though since it's chilly out. I may have a boost leak too cause I'm only boosting at 14 psi, and it still feels much torquier and more powerful than the standard giac k04 file. Once I get my fmic and fix my boost leak, I'm sure the difference will be huge. I say go for it.

b00st
01-11-2006, 01:03 PM
^ what daft said. your still gonna need to drop dough on an FMIC and perhaps custom tune or UNITRONICS which is $890.
plus mani, clutch, etc....

b00st
01-11-2006, 01:10 PM
Originally posted by silver 2.8 v30
Awe-tuning also has the pc-16 file and injectors with their 3bar fpr for $200, which is really cheap. I wouldn't recommend running the 3bar but instead getting an adjustable one from ecstuning for 160. Still, $360 isn't much. It took me less than an hour to install it all on my 1.8tqm. Very easy, but of course, you do need a fmic. I have yet to get one since I'm waiting for that new one to come out. I'm not having any problems running it right now though since it's chilly out. I may have a boost leak too cause I'm only boosting at 14 psi, and it still feels much torquier and more powerful than the standard giac k04 file. Once I get my fmic and fix my boost leak, I'm sure the difference will be huge. I say go for it.

true..I run an adjustable FPR set at 39.5psi or ~2.7 bar.

when its single digits...i only boost about 14-15psi. when its summer then its 21-22psi.

the FMIC is the key to the PC16 file. that it was helps it hold its aggressive timing. so it is key to run an FMIC with the PC16 setup and exhaust and all the other we mentioned.

lets see it took me...10 minutes to swap injectors and have everything bolted back up. and about 2 minutes to swap my 3 bar out for my adjustable and set the pressure.

so for the 12 minutes of time invested and 200 bucks or 360. though when i ordered my k04 kit they sent me a 2-5bar adjustable FPR. I just need a fuel pressure gauge. so i ran the 3 bar for a while. at least i got to compare the 3 bar to the adjustable.

blacka41point8t
01-11-2006, 01:25 PM
so your saying its worth it? on awe site it says 12hp and 30lbs of torque more with the pc16.

nizmosx
01-11-2006, 01:26 PM
I might be going pc-16 soon, if i do i will have my ams ecu for sale black, This is also a great file if you cant afford the front mount and all other goodies.

blacka41point8t
01-11-2006, 01:40 PM
really wahts the ams file?

b00st
01-11-2006, 01:50 PM
Originally posted by blacka41point8t
so your saying its worth it? on awe site it says 12hp and 30lbs of torque more with the pc16.

to me yeah its worth it...its a great street package...you need the IC though...which will help your gains or at least consitancy in keeping your power....i think they are excluding the FMIC you need to run it. which should add a couple more ponies on top of it. at either rate...its like i said...its like rechipping your k04 all over agin. its a great street setup.

k04s have never been great 1/4 dragsters...but it performs well on the street.

you need FMIC for BT or running PC16...i think its worth it for all k04 owners. for a non owner of a k04...tough call. but then going BT has its own headaches. the k04 pc16 is safe and proven performer. beyond that for the B5 nDBW....good luck.

blacka41point8t
01-11-2006, 01:52 PM
damn im stuck...I dunno what to doooooooooo!!!

blacka41point8t
01-11-2006, 01:53 PM
I have about 2500 to spend...soo what are my options.

b00st
01-11-2006, 02:17 PM
either save more...or just go FMIC w/ PC16 file and get some exhaust.

do pay full price for everything ask for some deals...
but here is the scenario:

BT:
ATP GTRS $1595
FMIC $1050
Clutch $500
Exhaust 500-1000
Now Fueling? UNITRONICS $890 for SW alone
and injectors what 250-300 for some 440cc.
otherwise there is UPSOLUTE...dunno much about it.
solution is upto you...maybe bitterchild can help you.
i think he has a solution...might want to talk to him
and that would be around 3k but you still need a clutch
which is not included in that price. but i'll leave that up to
bitter to discuss with you. cuz he can get you FMIC, Turbo,
etc.....

otherwise
Grand Total on cheap side and you did everything DIY.
~$5000...i dunno if exhaust gets cheaper than 500 bucks.
i don't think you want junk underneath there either.

and then add labor for all that if you can't do it yourself.
clutch was $550. at least thats what i got quoted
turbo kit should just be hourly rate (4-6hrs)

otherwise k04 1699 + 200 for PC16 + 190 go to tyrol for Adj FPR and Gauge + FMIC ~1100. ask for deals...i never paided full price for anything...just my 02 on that.

so whatever plan works for you.

alen
01-11-2006, 02:18 PM
if you are just going performance then i'd look into the eliminators. but you'll probably have to custom tune it and that's what actually dragged me out of the eliminator or BT upgrade. i actually scored great deals on my J31 setup (very similar to pc-16 part-wise) and would do it again if i had to. i'm sure if you shop around and be patient you can find some great deals on either eliminators or pc-16 and be happy. you're just apr chipped now, right? if so you'll feel great power upgrade from just the chip with this setup so you might be happy until hunger strikes again :D

blacka41point8t
01-11-2006, 02:22 PM
I really dont want to go BT I want the whole pc16 setup...I can do everything DIY except for clutch...I can get a custom exhaust 2.5" made with a borla muffler for under 300.

b00st
01-11-2006, 02:25 PM
well i would hope you wouldn't pay retail. its a shame on you if you don't ask. you know what they say...it never hurts to ask. and if they say they can't well then whatever...but at least ask. and definitely check the classifieds.

b00st
01-11-2006, 02:30 PM
Originally posted by blacka41point8t
I really dont want to go BT I want the whole pc16 setup...I can do everything DIY except for clutch...I can get a custom exhaust 2.5" made with a borla muffler for under 300.

ok so now you got your answer. and its in your budget. i'm sure you'll be quiet happy with it. it will be a huge jump from chip. i didn't it slowly k03 chip > ko4 standard > pc16....it was a noticeable gain from every step that i took as i added.

190 for tyrol adj. fpr and gauge.

http://www.tyrolsport.com/vwperformance.htm

pigliiit
01-11-2006, 02:53 PM
Just get a Greddy FMIC, they can be found for ~$700, save yourself $400 right there. Contact Bob's Autohouse (or wahtever they're called now) in Hudson and see what they will charge you for the injectors and software, you already have a K04, get an install kit for it, and the adj fpr and ur set. Here's my math:
Your used K04= 400
install kit=40
FMIC= 700
GIAC chip and injectors= 600
adj fpr and guage= 190
exhuast= 300
So you still got 260 left over after us MNAudi boys help you install it for beer.

nizmosx
01-11-2006, 03:02 PM
Originally posted by blacka41point8t
really wahts the ams file?

ams file is made by abt. Ams is advanced motorsport over here in socal. The file is stage 3 for k04. It is capable of working with a side mount and works even better with a front mount. I love it but im looking for something different.

Hassmeister
01-11-2006, 03:32 PM
The PC16 route will be my next venture.

I have to say with the recent "Hi-Flow Cat and Down-pipe" up grade it's very impressive.

I had no idea what a big difference it makes.

It's like going from my old GIAC 1.0 bar with my old stock K03 to the K04 and GIAC K04 program.

"What a kick in the pants!"

Hassmeister
01-11-2006, 03:35 PM
I wish someone would post some 1/4 mile and 0-60 stats without PC16 and with it.

It would be fun to see the diff.

b00st
01-11-2006, 06:02 PM
well i'm actually going to the dyno soon here...working out the final details for the dyno day. we'll see what PC16 has to offer. and i will only be dynoing on 93 octane as my file is set for 93 so...thats all i'm gonna do.

I wish i had an HFC or TESTPIPE to extract full potential....my stock cat is killing my setup.

NogaroA4
01-11-2006, 07:51 PM
my two cents.....I was going to go pc16 but since I have exhaust and I have to do a fmic and clutch for the pc16 i decided just to go wiht atps gt2x or gt28rs elimator kit and standalone it might be a little more but if you hire a good tuner it should be fast and reliable...the guy i go threw wiht tunning use to tune 10 second hondas that had 600 whp and they would still get 35 mpg just becuase he could adjust everything so precise with standalone

AudiA4_20T
01-11-2006, 08:16 PM
Btw just letting you know a regular K04 Setup will let you run in the mid to lower 14s, while Ive heard of PC-16 guys in the mid to upper 13s which is a very very nice jump

Hassmeister
01-11-2006, 08:19 PM
^^^ Wow, now that's impressive.

Looking fwd to the dyno #'s!!!

b00st
01-11-2006, 10:19 PM
fastest K04 was MMART at 13.9 on J31 software so he was MY2000. J31 is a stronger file the PC16. some other k04s where doing 14.3-14.4.

as for me, i will never know what my QMT is...since i will never go. but i am getting my setup dyno'd very very soon. working out the dyno day this saturday. i don't expect impressive numbers. MMART's J31 dyno'd 217/274 to the wheels IIRC.

94jedi
01-12-2006, 04:29 AM
Originally posted by b00st
fastest K04 was MMART at 13.9 on J31 software so he was MY2000. J31 is a stronger file the PC16. some other k04s where doing 14.3-14.4.

as for me, i will never know what my QMT is...since i will never go. but i am getting my setup dyno'd very very soon. working out the dyno day this saturday. i don't expect impressive numbers. MMART's J31 dyno'd 217/274 to the wheels IIRC.

I'd expect 200hp to the wheels and 260 tq + or - 5 for each one.....do this though, switch back to your stock wheels for the dyno day. [race]

AvantSpeed
01-12-2006, 07:38 AM
what kind of peak boost is the PC 16 running and where does it taper off to?