TD05 turbo from Evo to 1.8T

[marto7]

Hello.I have 2005 B7 1.8T Quattro and im planning to upgrade it with TD05 turbo from Evo 6 Tommy makinen Edition.I have almost everything for the project from injectors to ceramic clutch,forged rods and etc.My question is for manifold.Is there have a ready TD05 1.8T manifold for A4 ? In my country we have shops with 1.8T manifold for T3 and T25 flange.Can i buy adapter for example from T3 to TD05 or T25 to TD05 ? I dont know if it possible.But i know if is possible i will lose twin scroll pros.

[Homer]

Buy a T3 flanged TD05 turbine housing and swap them out

[marto7]

T3 hot part with TD05 cold part ? Im not sure i understand

[Charles.waite]

T3 Manifold, and a T3 turbine housing. You should be able to buy both from ATP turbo.

[marto7]

Im considering about K04-064.What is opinion for this turbo? What will be the difference between this and td05

[EvolutionArmory]

Im considering about K04-064.What is opinion for this turbo? What will be the difference between this and td05

About 60-80 horsepower 😀

[Charles.waite]

Possibly even more than that.

[marto7]

with td05 i can get 60-80hp more than k04-064? Not sound good.I want at least 350hp.

[Charles.waite]

Well it completely depends on the specs of the td05. There are different models.
The td05h-20 that JHM sells is generally regarded to flow more than a gt2871. But the -18 flows just a tad less.

[marto7]

I have TD05 16G from Evo 6 Tommy makinen edition - 10.5T. Part number 49178-13830 105
I dont know how much hp can get from that turbo but different people tell me different things between 330-400hp on the crank.But can i get 350hp from K04-064 ? I will get earlier spool with K04 right ?

[Charles.waite]

K04 will spoil earlier but taper off at the top end. A 16G might spool as quick, but likely not, but it’ll pull to redline.

[EvolutionArmory]

with td05 i can get 60-80hp more than k04-064? Not sound good.I want at least 350hp.

A TD05 with the right supporting mods and tune is probably good for 350 AWHP. Maybe more.

A K04-064 is good for about 270-280 AWHP. Maybe more, maybe less. Tune and supporting mods, altitude and other conditions dependant.

[EvolutionArmory]

I have TD05 16G from Evo 6 Tommy makinen edition - 10.5T. Part number 49178-13830 105
I dont know how much hp can get from that turbo but different people tell me different things between 330-400hp on the crank.But can i get 350hp from K04-064 ? I will get earlier spool with K04 right ?

350 CHP possible on a K04? Maybe. Apr claims 318.

[marto7]

Can you recommend me another turbo for me to choose from ? I want 350-400chp.Around same price as previus two

[EvolutionArmory]

I’d say the most popular turbo kits around here are...

JHM’s KO4R
JHM’s TD05-20G
APR’s K04-064

The TD05 kit is probably what you should buy. It’s about 4 grand. I don’t know if you’ll have issues importing one. Most of us are from North America so this shit is easy to get.

[Jake@JHM]

I’d say the most popular turbo kits around here are...

JHM’s KO4R
JHM’s TD05-20G
APR’s K04-064

The TD05 kit is probably what you should buy. It’s about 4 grand.

He's got a 1.8t

[EvolutionArmory]

You just beat my edit Jake. 😀

I have no idea what he should run then. My American brain defaults to 2.0T. I figured maybe it would bolt up since he said he was considering a K04-064 like it would work 🤔

[Jake@JHM]

You just beat my edit Jake. 😀

I have no idea what he should run then. My American brain defaults to 2.0T. I figured maybe it would bolt up since he said he was considering a K04-064 like it would work 🤔

Yea, could have been an error on his part. However he states 1.8t a couple of times so he would need to see what the B6 A4 guys are doing

[EvolutionArmory]

Was there a 1.8T version of the B7 in Europe? I know they get a lot more motor options there.

Sorry to give you some bad info Marto7. We don’t get B7’s with 1.8T’s. Maybe you have a B6.

Edit: Wikipedia says they got the 20v 1.8T and the 16v 1.8T FSI motor

[Jake@JHM]

Was there a 1.8T version of the B7 in Europe? I know they get a lot more motor options there.

Sorry to give you some bad info Marto7. We don’t get B7’s with 1.8T’s. Maybe you have a B6.

Edit: Wikipedia says they got the 20v 1.8T and the 16v 1.8T FSI motor

Yea ROW got a 1.8T as well as an NA 2.0

[jpulll]

Order from pagparts, they have quality turbo kits. Kit comes with turbo, v-band manifold, cat/downpipe combo, plumbing for intake, coolant/oil lines, hardware. You can add on injectors (550cc should be fine) and a fuel pump on to your order. I would recommend a borgwarner efr 6258 as your turbo. Quick spool with great power. Right around your target area. It’s pricy but it is quality. Check out “preciseD”. He had an efr build going on.


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[canadianA4B7]

Can you recommend me another turbo for me to choose from ? I want 350-400chp.Around same price as previus two

Garrett GTX 2860 fast spool plenty of power many 1.8 cars run it happily making decent power 350-400 crank hp or bit more VW in my family runs 346 fwhp. (I’d have to check this is accurate but dyno numbers berlin klassik)
GTX 2863 (.72 T25 hot side) ran this myself 396 hp) axis runs this on his 1.8T B6 car very compatible turbo for all around power. MUCH MUCH more then a k04 as it’s getting into 26 psi from 3500- 7200 this twin scrolled would be pretty amazing.
And EFR makes a 6258 which is an extremely oversized k04. Again this will put you in your seat all over the rev ranges and put plenty of smiles on faces.

Not a fan of TD04/TD05 made by Mitsubishi and you guys run them in a German car...... may as well strap Mitsu labels on the trunk too. 4 rings and a goofy looking triangle.


^ PPT (pag parts) supplies amazing products Arnold is one hell of an intelligent man. Respectful honest willing to help out if he can via email. True in house fabrication from what he explained to me about the parts I’ve purchased. And still over a year ago he responds promptly to questions. Would be nice if he could put together some twin scrolls as it seems now we are stating to see far more benefits from them.

Japanese Honda Manufacturing

[EvolutionArmory]

What difference does it make if Japanese cars use a TD05 if it’s a good turbo for our displacement and produces good results?

Stepping outside of the box is how innovation happens. 😀

[canadianA4B7]

Results are no different then any of the garret/efr turbos I listed above. And the same results w a TD turbo as you get larger as any other turbo. More lag. From what I’ve read the lag on TD05 is no different the the Garrett GTX 2867 or 2871. So essentially there tune on either of those Garrett’s will net you the same results. Maybe hair bit faster on the bottom end which twin scrolling will give back to the turbo.

[Charles.waite]

Td05s are popular because they’re very good, cheap, and easily serviceable. They’re not the best, but they’re great all-arounders and easy in the budget.

I would agree an EFR is ideal but they’re physically very large and difficult to fit into the bay without some custom fab work.

GTXs are good, nothing really bad to say about them, they’re not as good with transient response as EFRs. But they’re cheaper and easier to fit due to their fitment being the same as the common GTRS and GT2871 turbos which have reliable eliminator kits on the market.

Twin scroll is definitely the best path, it’s just expensive because it’s going to have to be custom.

[EvolutionArmory]

So the TD05 is cheap, fits, makes great power for its size and is easy to repair. So what’s not to like? Lol

I don’t have one so I have no skin in this game. Just trying to figure out why the car would care if the turbo in it is big with the Subaru guys or if this bias against the TD05 stems from something personal 😀

[canadianA4B7]

The efr is smaller then the GTX. Side by side comparison the efr has far more room then the GTX did in the engine bay. Much easier to work on. Hot side spacing and length are much nicer. The GTX 2863 and 2867 had about 3/8” clearance between cold side and frame rail, the efr significantly more.

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Yes personally I do not like mitsu. As far as serviceable the GTX is as serviceable as the TD, as easy to install, far more tunes available. So I’d rather those going BT consider their options before blowing their load into the TD05 fan club. As stated they perform the same as many Garrett turbos. So $$$ for $$$ Id put my funds in more American products even though some stuff is sourced out of country.

[Jake@JHM]

Not a fan of TD04/TD05 made by Mitsubishi and you guys run them in a German car...... may as well strap Mitsu labels on the trunk too. 4 rings and a goofy looking triangle.


Japanese Honda Manufacturing

Well.. So far these "Mitsubishi" turbos have made this German platform the fastest.

Haters gonna hate.

[canadianA4B7]

Well.. So far these "Mitsubishi" turbos have made this German platform the fastest.

Haters gonna hate.

Fastest was actually a twin turbo car built by EPY.

Not a hater as I stated they are good turbos. I just don’t support companies who lie to customers.

[Jake@JHM]

Fastest was actually a twin turbo car built by EPY.

Not a hater as I stated they are good turbos. I just don’t support companies who lie to customers.

How was he the fastest? As I recall that car flopped.

Most unique build for sure though.

Are you stating we are lying to customers?

[canadianA4B7]

Well.. So far these "Mitsubishi" turbos have made this German platform the fastest. For now

Haters gonna hate.

Fastest was actually a compound sequential turbo car built by EricPaulYoung.

I don’t hate just jokes. At no point did I say they weren’t good turbos. No need to hate there’s enough crazy fucks in this world hating already.

[Jake@JHM]

Fastest was actually a compound sequential turbo car built by EricPaulYoung.

I don’t hate just jokes. At no point did I say they weren’t good turbos. No need to hate there’s enough crazy fucks in this world hating already.

What makes his the fastest? I saw no performance data to back that up. The last performance data he posted was being compared to K04 cars and I believe Dereks car was faster.

[Charles.waite]

GT turbos use ball bearings and require you to send the turbo in for replacement for like $300 or more. TD turbos are journal bearing so you can fully refurbish them in your shed.

I’d say one is more serviceable than the other.

And I don’t recall EPY ever finishing that build. But maybe I missed it.

I’m not a Garret fanboy or a Mitsu fanboy, but I don’t discount something because it’s made by a Japanese company or comes from the Japanese car scene and my car is German. But just be realistic about something’s capabilities and attributes.

[EvolutionArmory]

As a relatively new member to this board one observation I have made is that there’s a ton of faster cars sitting on jack stands here......

[QuattriumMT6]

As a relatively new member to this board one observation I have made is that there’s a ton of faster cars sitting on jack stands here......

True. My MR2 would destroy my Audi in terms of “fast” but it too is sitting pretty on jack stands smh.

[p0isin]

As a relatively new member to this board one observation I have made is that there’s a ton of faster cars sitting on jack stands here......

It's no fun building it if you can't drive it. Love my GTX2867r setup!

[Charles.waite]

There are definitely a ton of “almost done” builds that languish around here. The b6 guys tend to follow through at a much higher rate. The b7 section is plagued by incomplete builds or people who just lose interest.

[klrider44]

Yea there are quite a few people on here that have extensive BT builds that hardly ever make it on the road. At the end of the day I think most struggle with the tuning, you can have all of the best hardware but if you can't extract that power it's worthless. It seems like anyone on here trying to tune their own cars just aren't gonna get it right. That stuff is really left for the pros. Many will say otherwise, but just ask for time slips, then things get quiet.


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[EvolutionArmory]

There are definitely a ton of “almost done” builds that languish around here. The b6 guys tend to follow through at a much higher rate. The b7 section is plagued by incomplete builds or people who just lose interest.

Mostly due to people putting turbos on cars with no tune for it...

[Charles.waite]

Yea I think a lot of people find second hand turbos for cheap and don’t really understand that the turbo itself is just a small part of the cost of doing a build. Not to mention our spaghetti rods, a proper build that isn’t a ticking time bomb isn’t cheap.

[EvolutionArmory]

Yea there are quite a few people on here that have extensive BT builds that hardly ever make it on the road. At the end of the day I think most struggle with the tuning, you can have all of the best hardware but if you can't extract that power it's worthless. It seems like anyone on here trying to tune their own cars just aren't gonna get it right. That stuff is really left for the pros. Many will say otherwise, but just ask for time slips, then things get quiet.


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Or maybe they pick turbos that aren’t a great fit for the displacement. I don’t know.

[Charles.waite]

Just to add, since I just learned this, the new Honda Civic Type-R uses a Mitsu TD04 turbo. They’re not bad turbos. Quite the contrary.

[Rulty]

Fastest was actually a twin turbo car built by EPY.

Not a hater as I stated they are good turbos. I just don’t support companies who lie to customers.

In for how JHM lies to customers? Not trying to be a dick would just like to know what they have lied about?

[canadianA4B7]

8 months before they released their tune they told me it was going to be huge amount of money to get them to tune and they needed the car on site. Most of the cost as I was told was for R&D or someone to find there lunch parties. Few months later they posted here they were going to be tuning b7 A4

V10 S6 Tuning...... I haven’t spoken to this owner in a bit. Last story was it was delivered and sat for months and was never worked on. Later was shipped out to have tune done elsewhere. I believe a porsche/Lamborghini ship finialized it.

Clutches. Design comes from where??? They took VAST old design and adapted into their flywheel. Just as I’ve posted a huge number of times about the clutchmasters flywheels. The feet on theirs is 2 mm higher the CM flywheel. Not much R&D there. I had this sorted out before they released there B7 A4 flywheel. Used a few rulers, a few other machine measuring tools. And a few other old guys brains who’ve been building big blocks for a number of years.

Anyone know who their tuner is? Seems to me like the same guy who was tuning for another company from detroit. Now this is slightly speculation but it seems though that everything they’ve done is very close to a previous company which has closed. The company owner lives in Detroit still. From what I know his tuner has moved to CA. So I cannot day for sure. Speculations as I stated above so no feelings are hurt. And if I’m wrong I apologize for this only.

Also there A4, S4 and rs4 clutch disc are interchangeable. The only piece which does not fit is there ACT pressure plate. (May want to get a bit better at sticker removable and sanding). JHM-R pressure plate under the tremclad paint had the ACT badges on it. Called act and inquired myself. Something does not add up at all. They offered me an upgraded pressure plate which from what seems to be the “stiffer or improved” type of deal you get when ordering the JHM r pressure plate. They were also to get back to me about using the jhm r pressure plate on their aluminum flywheel. Never happened as it was in coffee and dounut (research and development) at the time. Haven’t heard anything about it. I sold the pressure plate as an ACT unit. After cleaning off the tremclad. They told me the RS4 disc will not fit into the A4 as the splines were different. And I was to buy new. The stage 3 or 4 disc is currently in my car. I purchased the A4 an S4 and RS4 completeclutch kits in order to research this. all purchases were used except for my flywheel and included proof of purchase from jhm. And I believe the 2.7 rs4 flywheel is also adaptable to our platform. I don’t gave this info on me but I bought one of these too for my allroad ordered and received a unit stamped “034 Motorsports”.

Everyone should find an old guy to work with. There spectacular at seeing between the lines. You know they’ve likely gone through these types of things in their younger years.

[Jake@JHM]

8 months before they released their tune they told me it was going to be huge amount of money to get them to tune and they needed the car on site. Most of the cost as I was told was for R&D or someone to find there lunch parties. Few months later they posted here they were going to be tuning b7 A4

We started the B7-A4 progam because 2 employees decided to sell their personal cars and purchase a B7-A4 for development. Dru and I. He sold his B6-A4 and I sold my B5-S4. Otherwise the program would have never existed. Lunch party? Sounds fun.

V10 S6 Tuning...... I haven’t spoken to this owner in a bit. Last story was it was delivered and sat for months and was never worked on. Later was shipped out to have tune done elsewhere. I believe a porsche/Lamborghini ship finialized it.

You may want to check your facts on this again. None of this is true. LOL @ another shop finalizing our software.

Clutches. Design comes from where??? They took VAST old design and adapted into their flywheel. Just as I’ve posted a huge number of times about the clutchmasters flywheels. The feet on theirs is 2 mm higher the CM flywheel. Not much R&D there. I had this sorted out before they released there B7 A4 flywheel. Used a few rulers, a few other machine measuring tools. And a few other old guys brains who’ve been building big blocks for a number of years.

Back in 06-07 we worked very closely with VAST. We were actually the first to start using the B7 RS4 pressure plate on the B5-S4 and we worked with VAST and sold the design under their name. It's not rocket science to figure out how to adapt a pressure plate to a flywheel. By the time we released it for the B7-A4 we already had this clutch line out for multiple other platforms.

Anyone know who their tuner is? Seems to me like the same guy who was tuning for another company from detroit. Now this is slightly speculation but it seems though that everything they’ve done is very close to a previous company which has closed. The company owner lives in Detroit still. From what I know his tuner has moved to CA. So I cannot day for sure. Speculations as I stated above so no feelings are hurt. And if I’m wrong I apologize for this only.

I know who our turner is and so do a ton of our customers who have met him in person. We have stated multiple times that he is off site and it is known publicly who he is which we have never hid from anyone.. but again, you need to check your facts. Only our calibrator lives in Detroit. He also posts an another forum actively that AZ doesn't like mentioned. No, he did not move to CA. Who is feeding you this information? Might want to find a new source.


Also there A4, S4 and rs4 clutch disc are interchangeable. The only piece which does not fit is there ACT pressure plate. (May want to get a bit better at sticker removable and sanding). JHM-R pressure plate under the tremclad paint had the ACT badges on it. Called act and inquired myself. Something does not add up at all. They offered me an upgraded pressure plate which from what seems to be the “stiffer or improved” type of deal you get when ordering the JHM r pressure plate. They were also to get back to me about using the jhm r pressure plate on their aluminum flywheel. Never happened as it was in coffee and dounut (research and development) at the time. Haven’t heard anything about it. I sold the pressure plate as an ACT unit. After cleaning off the tremclad. They told me the RS4 disc will not fit into the A4 as the splines were different. And I was to buy new. The stage 3 or 4 disc is currently in my car. I purchased the A4 an S4 and RS4 completeclutch kits in order to research this. all purchases were used except for my flywheel and included proof of purchase from jhm. And I believe the 2.7 rs4 flywheel is also adaptable to our platform. I don’t gave this info on me but I bought one of these too for my allroad ordered and received a unit stamped “034 Motorsports”.

We worked with ACT to develop the R-Series pressure plate starting in 2010. They had nothing for this platform, and we did all of the R&D and had them make everything to our specifications. We don't have a facility to manufacture pressure plates, so how else would we do this? Duh.. work with with a reputable company to make the product we need. You cannot purchase a JHM R-Series pressure plate from ACT. The stuff that they offer for the platform now are of different specifications than ours.

Who told you that the splines are different? They are the same between B5-B7 and change with the B8. Note for the 1.8T we do up them to a 240mm size to match the other platforms.

Why would you want to put a 2.7T flywheel on the 2.0T?

Yes, our B5-B7 flywheels are made by 034MS, which is why they are stamped JHM AND 034 and they made to our specifications. You cannot buy our flywheel directly from 034MS. We are local to each other and we make some products for them, and they make some for us.

Everyone should find an old guy to work with. There spectacular at seeing between the lines. You know they’ve likely gone through these types of things in their younger years.

Your old guy might need some glasses.

[EvolutionArmory]

This is all small manufacturing 101. If you can’t make something in house, hire someone who can. 😀 It’s still your product even if someone else’s machine makes it.

[canadianA4B7]

LMFAO

different story today.

[Jake@JHM]

LMFAO

different story today.

No.. this is the truth whether you choose to believe it or not. Feel free to PM me about.

[Charles.waite]

Clutches. Design comes from where??? They took VAST old design and adapted into their flywheel. Just as I’ve posted a huge number of times about the clutchmasters flywheels. The feet on theirs is 2 mm higher the CM flywheel. Not much R&D there. I had this sorted out before they released there B7 A4 flywheel. Used a few rulers, a few other machine measuring tools. And a few other old guys brains who’ve been building big blocks for a number of years.

VAST welded a bunch of washers to a pressure plate and you call that "design"? Are you joking?

JHM has been upfront, its a B7 RS4 PP with a custom 034 flywheel to properly space the components. Not VAST's hack that saw at least one failure on here.

I have no comment about the rest of the stuff, but why are you so bitter about their clutches?

I get people have bad experiences from time to time. JHM gets their share of hate on here, sometimes deserved, sometimes not. But rumor mills are dumb...

[Jake@JHM]

VAST welded a bunch of washers to a pressure plate and you call that "design"? Are you joking?

JHM has been upfront, its a B7 RS4 PP with a custom 034 flywheel to properly space the components. Not VAST's hack. Didn't VAST use a b5 RS4 PP also?

I have no comment about the rest of the stuff, but why are you so bitter about their clutches?


Vast did use the B5 RS4 until we introduced them to the B7 RS4 setup. The B5 RS4 pressure plate worked great at first, but as the power levels grew in the platform (exceeding what the plastic SAC was good for), and the raising price of having to source pressure plates from Europe it called for something new. The B7 RS4 was still at dealers during this time in the US so we grabbed a pressure plate from Audi and started spec'ing it out in an attempt to find an OE pressure plate that is stocked in the US that can handle power without sacrificing drivability.

[Rulty]

Hate to say it because I think you are a good member to have here but I think you are way off base canadian.

I mean APR does the same as the pressure plate problem you were describing, except with their exhaust.
Tire companies do that with their tires, grocery stores do that with their food, drug dealers do it with their drugs....everyone does it. If you can not manufacture something in house, you source it.

Honestly does not seem like you have a leg to stand on, doesn't look you mentioned anything about them even lying in your post. Unless I am missing something here. But putting their name on a part that is manufactured specifically for them is well.....duh.

And in regards to tuning they gave you a not for sale price, since it was 8 months from the time you inquired about it till the software was actually released. You didn't like the price and got mad at them for it? What kind of name would they have made for themselves if they just flashed whatever file they had on hand and your engine blew? probably not the same name they have now.

Honestly your entire post screams, I can do it for cheaper, or source cheaper parts and piece it together so screw JHM. Well then you keep piecing it together and all, I wish I could do that, but I am not inclined enough to do so. Ill just keep throwing my money at JHM (still waiting on that direct deposit form Jake so I can just have all my paychecks deposited right into JHM's account [hail])

TLDR;

JHM is not FRANKENTURBO, people put their brands on stuff they don't actually make in-house, and, just to throw this out there so there is no surprises, JHM pays less for those pressure plates than we do!

[canadianA4B7]

No.. this is the truth whether you choose to believe it or not. Feel free to PM me about.

Doesn’t matter after insulting a long time friend and true enthusiast.

Thanks for that.

[Jake@JHM]

Doesn’t matter after insulting a long time friend and true enthusiast.

Thanks for that.

Who did I insult and how? It's not our intention to insult anyone.

[fR3ZNO]

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[EvolutionArmory]

Subbing out production is no new idea. I do it. I need a part made but don’t feel like shelling out 60 grand for 5 Axis Haas CNC machine. There are plenty of small job shops that can machine what I need near me. It’s nothing new. To call it being dishonest shows a lack of understanding of what running a business is like.

People in my industry collaborate all the time. It’s nothing new.