AUSTRALIAN JHM STAGE 3 build

[brock2428]

Hey guys can finally post here ! After a long time of debating finally went jhm stage 3

I'm in Australia so there wasn't manny preference options for me but probably still would of spent the extra to get the jhm goodness

My build so far
Engine

Jhm stage 3 turbo kit
Jhm fueling kit
Jhm hfc -jhm down pipe - custom mid exhaust to jhm quad tip
Jhm small core intercooler
Jhm stage 1 clutch
Jhm trio shifter package
Jhm cross rod
Modified stock air box
K&n filter
034 turbo inlet
034 stage 2 catchcan (drained back to sump )
034 snub mount
034 engine mounts
034 trans mount
034 diff mount inserts

UPDATE
Parts to be installed when the engine gets built early 2019 ! Stay tune looking to see what i can get out of the jhm stage 3 kit

Ie h beam rods
Cp pistons (83mm)
Arp hardwhere
Mahle bearings rod / main
Fluidamper crank pully
Jhm 340lph fuel pump kit
Torque byte fuel pump controller
Brand new 2.0t oil pump
HPA intake manifold
Aem water meth kit

Suspension

Bc br gold coilovers

Wheels

S4 18x8 custom sprayed black

Brakes

B8 s4 calipers
Jhm s4 b7 rotors
Jhm lines
Hawk ceramic pads

So far loving the kit great power bump compared it stage 1!

Dru from jhm really helped me with all my questions and helped me to get all the logging done. As I have never done any of this before !

Its been covered before but there customer service is awesome
My tune wasn't on the server but that wasn't a issue for them they had it up with in 12 hours ! Even tho they were closed !


Any way back to to build

Next mods will be sorting out all my mounts
Getting a shifter and cross rod sorted

Now any suggestions for breaks ? Don't want to run wheel spacers if possible [emoji1303]

Water meth I'm still learning about. Any one have pics of it installed in there car ? Wanna see how noticeable it is in the engine bay

Thanks guys can't wait to see some suggestions because I'm sure Iv overlooked something that needs upgrading

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[brock2428]

Just added some sound deadening ! https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170628/539d2609490f30557bb4e884f50caf70.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170628/fe0bc7ce9cfde47921a4154e9adf696e.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170628/b2bc4fbd5947379d3d3ab1cba9ee4f93.jpg


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[tloft4]

nice im sure its a lot more fun now [drive]

[brock2428]

Yeah it's definitely great to drive now
My best 0-100 km is 4.6
Hopefully better mounts and 110 octane tune can help lower that [emoji848]


-brock

[DeathBlow]

did you hear a difference with the sound deadening?

[brock2428]

Yeah there was some Definitely some reduction
But noting to go crazy about

It's more noticeable when driving on the highway.

I may go to a 18" resonators
I asked from them but just checked and the exhaust shop only used 12"



-brock

[DeathBlow]

I still need to do the rest of the interior i just did one rear door seeing i was replacing the glass. The exhaust seems fine when sitting in front but a little loud in the rear. I might have to check and make sure its not touching some where.

[Jake@JHM]

Right on [up]

[brock2428]

Yeah i definitely wouldn't want to be in the back seat hahah



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[tloft4]

Pretty sure if you own the car the worst seat you get is shotgun lol. Although I did let 2 girls chauffer me around while bar hopping my 21st...

[brock2428]

Pretty sure if you own the car the worst seat you get is shotgun lol. Although I did let 2 girls chauffer me around while bar hopping my 21st...

No one drives my car but me hahah

But getting chauffeured around would be Awsome


-brock

[tloft4]

well float that over to the east coast and ill drive, get a nice copilot for you and you can relax in the noisy backseats

[YorkFieldX]

Hey mate, great build. I see you're from NSW as well. Around Sydney area? Any good place you would recommend for installing mods and stuff like that? How did you go about downpipe?

[AudiKilla]

It would be nice if you could dyno the car.

[brock2428]

Hey mate, great build. I see you're from NSW as well. Around Sydney area? Any good place you would recommend for installing mods and stuff like that? How did you go about downpipe?

Hi mate
Unfortunately I'm not from Sydney I'm from forster

I had my local mechanic install the kit as he does all my work
Since the kit was so compleat and the instructions were great he was able to knock it over with no troubles

The down pipe I ordered from jhm when I did my turbo order also with the quad tip mufflers and then I got a custom mid pipe made up


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[brock2428]

It would be nice if you could dyno the car.

Hey mate I'm definitely going to dyno the car
I'm chasing down some 110 oct and then I'll give it a few runs


-brock

[brock2428]

well float that over to the east coast and ill drive, get a nice copilot for you and you can relax in the noisy backseats

Hahaha Nice try


-brock

[brock2428]

Dyno tomorrow
Any guesses on power ?


-brock

[Jake@JHM]

Dyno tomorrow
Any guesses on power ?


-brock

What the temp out there for you right now?

[AudiKilla]

Can't wait for the results [o_o]

400torque and hp lol!

[al3k]

Dyno tomorrow
Any guesses on power ?


-brock

Im guessing between 295-312whp so I will just say 304whp on pump gas, if your running a 110octane tune I will guess 332whp

[yxri]

330 horse power and 360 torque if you are on a nice cool day! That's my guess

[brock2428]

What the temp out there for you right now?

Hi jake it's a nice cold day here in Aus
Will be around 18 degrees Celsius


-brock

[Undercut]

I'm looking at this kit myself in the next few weeks. Love to see some numbers!


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[AudiKilla]

This turbo is faster than the KO4 right?

[brock2428]

This turbo is faster than the KO4 right?

Yeah this kit is the fastest you can go with a stock motor


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[brock2428]

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[AudiKilla]

Hmm so how much hp and torque are you putting down? Is that at the wheels or crank?

[EvolutionArmory]

200 kilowatts is 268HP

701nm is 517 foot pounds.

183kw is 245 hp
500nm is 368

Doesn't seem quite right unless the conversion charts I used are wrong.

[EvolutionArmory]

If a 3600 pound car can do a 1/4 mile in 12.142 seconds, that's 397 hp. If you factor in a 20% drivetrain loss, that's still 317 at the wheels.

These dyno numbers seem kind of all over the place.

[brock2428]

So I'll give you a little back story I drove 3 hours to the dyno and told the guy I wanted to to cool down and spray the intercooler so it wasn't so heat soaked
He went and strapped it on and just started to do pulls so The power figures probably aren't correct
182 kw and 500 nm of tq to the wheels
Also I said 3 gear and he did 4th

And the pulls where literally back to back so it would of been really bad heat soaked
Definitely not a accurate reading
Pretty annoyed with they dyno go to be honest


-brock

[al3k]

How is your boost curve looking? Does it peak high in midrange and tappers fast down to redline?

[brock2428]

Spike 22 and hold 20 until red line


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[brock2428]

If a 3600 pound car can do a 1/4 mile in 12.142 seconds, that's 397 hp. If you factor in a 20% drivetrain loss, that's still 317 at the wheels.

These dyno numbers seem kind of all over the place.

I %100 agree with you don't think he set the dyno up right and he didn't let it cool down properly
Trying to organise another dyno day soon
At a different shop

I'll soak the intercooler before each run and let it cool down
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[brock2428]

How is your boost curve looking? Does it peak high in midrange and tappers fast down to redline?

Spikes at 22 and holds 20




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[brock2428]

This is a great example on why dynos are so unpredictable

There's definitely more then 180 kw in the car


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[al3k]

Spikes at 22 and holds 20




-brock

Okey, I do the exact same, peak at 22 and hold 20psi to redline, turbo is EFR6758, havnt dyno the car but virtualdyno shows around 300whp. And MAF peaks at 300-310g/s

[brock2428]

Okey, I do the exact same, peak at 22 and hold 20psi to redline, turbo is EFR6758, havnt dyno the car but virtualdyno shows around 300whp. And MAF peaks at 300-310g/s

Nice to know
I'm trying to organsie another dyno day at a different shop
One where the guy will actually take into consideration what I say


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[al3k]

why did you wanne dyno 3rd gear instead of 4th?

[brock2428]

why did you wanne dyno 3rd gear instead of 4th?

So I can get the full rpm in a pull
They won't go over 200kpm on a dyno


-brock

[al3k]

So I can get the full rpm in a pull
They won't go over 200kpm on a dyno


-brock

aha
Do you need the gear ratios to get them on the dyno chart?
From what ive figured it should be
1: 3.667
2: 2.053
3: 1.423
4: 1.065
5: 0.853
6: 0.730 (6-Spd)
Final Drive: 3.89:1

[Irufushi]

268hp = k03 stage 2+

Why 268hp on TD05? [wrench]

[Irufushi]

What gearbox is installed and what is done?

[brock2428]

268hp = k03 stage 2+

Why 268hp on TD05? [wrench]

I'm thinking The dyno wasn't set up correctly


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[brock2428]

aha
Do you need the gear ratios to get them on the dyno chart?
From what ive figured it should be
1: 3.667
2: 2.053
3: 1.423
4: 1.065
5: 0.853
6: 0.730 (6-Spd)
Final Drive: 3.89:1

Na it didn't give me any gear ratios on the chart

Thanks for showing this to be tho


-brock

[brock2428]

I'm looking at this kit myself in the next few weeks. Love to see some numbers!


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Hey buddy theses numbers are real low the dyno wasn't set up correctly and the car was really bad heat soaked
I'm setting up another dyno day with my mate at a different shop
This time the guy will let it fill down after each run and spray the intercooler with water


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[brock2428]

UPDATE


Just had this box of jhm goodness arrive
Will install in the next few days https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170814/4623f0d1bcaaa9bf7ceee364569c020e.jpg


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[yxri]

Any chance this thing will be back on the dyno?

[brock2428]

Any chance this thing will be back on the dyno?

Definitely
Trying to organise another day.
This time I'll try a different shop.


How's your build going


-brock

[yxri]

Custom catch can is currently on its way. I'm looking to go down to the track in a couple weeks to see what times I can pull with a basic APR stage 1 tune.

[brock2428]

Custom catch can is currently on its way. I'm looking to go down to the track in a couple weeks to see what times I can pull with a basic APR stage 1 tune.

Nice
I went with the stage 2 034 catch can

I'm yet to go to the track
It's a 3 hour drive but I'm sure it would be worth the fun.


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[yxri]

Lol thats quite a ways. Any street races? Wondering what the little audi can do against some of the other cars around your area?

[brock2428]

Yeah had a few
Raced a couple of v8s and they just get away on the top End
Beat a few skylines and Subarus

Launch assist surprised a lot of people lol


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[yxri]

Yeah had a few
Raced a couple of v8s and they just get away on the top End
Beat a few skylines and Subarus

Launch assist surprised a lot of people lol


-brock


If you get a chance, Can you take a video of the launch assist? Also does your exhaust include muffers or a resonator?

[brock2428]

Yeah my exhaust is a jhm hfc - jhm down pipe but I had my exhaust shop make a custom one back form the bottom of the down pipe which has 2 12 inch resonators then to jhm quad tips

I may change to 18" resonators


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[brock2428]

And I can't figure out how to post a video lol


-brock

[yxri]

Thanks for the info. How loud is it? I'm just running open down pipe with a resonator. Just post the video on youtube and link it here on the forums.

[brock2428]

Ok I'll try and work that out

It's pretty Loud
But Iv added some dynamat to help with that


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[yxri]

OK thanks a lot! Interested in seeing a cold start as well as the launch control.

[brock2428]

OK thanks a lot! Interested in seeing a cold start as well as the launch control.

Do you have fb I can send you some videos on there may be waster that way


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[brock2428]

Did dru@jhms air box mod today
Got rid of that apr carbino system (for sale if any one is interested)

Loving the stealth look https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170815/c631052bb34f5be2db15a17aa0b9daf0.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170815/5105947cfe070e5786eb5d3209248977.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170815/e97d61024530e63034a24aa2e2545b0c.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170815/8748727592e37990efd6bd9e5d2511c6.jpg


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[brock2428]

Man I wished installed the mounts and shift a long time ago completely changes the driving experience


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[brock2428]

Just picked theses up ! Can't wait to get them sprayed and installed!

Also sprayed my cooler black and did the grille
Love the results https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170905/4c7c35c251b23d9a94ab9979cb59bba1.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170905/f3066fa00a32c18a4984b99bfc8a53b6.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170905/46ffd7aa11dd42bf6dcdbe650233ad3b.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170905/8e9c0af93a24156e84dbc7de707d9fc9.jpg


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[brock2428]

Sprayed my s4 b8 brakes
Really happy with the out come can't wait to get theses on and see the difference https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170926/66d1ccc898eebf806b7664d9e8c3e547.png


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[brock2428]

Time for a track day https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171016/08c18ee5c0a66999d00ced0934d0dfaf.heic


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[brock2428]

Sent my trim in for some carbon fibre treatment
Matt at Ocarbon did a amazing job
51088510895109051091

Now it’s time to get the rest of my brake kit sorted [emoji106]


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[brock2428]

Little update

Weather is cooling down in Aus
20000km service is coming up
Going to do
cam follower
spark plugs
Install my b8 s4 brakes
Fine tune my short shifter
Some new oil and filter always use motul 5w 40

Hopefully get a updated tune..

Go down to the track and see what times I can get !


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[yxri]

Updated Tune??

[brock2428]

Updated Tune??

Nothing crazy
Just a higher rev tune!
And maybe the race fuel tune
I do have a 20l tank of 110 in my shed !!

Although the brakes have been put aside for now something better coming along


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[brock2428]

UPDATE

Some new parts arriving ! The build is now going on another direction

Ie rods
Cp pistons (83 mm)- tool steel wrist pins

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Mahle race race rod bearings
Mahle race main bearings
Arp head studs
Ie crank bolt
Fluidamper crank pully
Aem water meth kit
Jhm 340 log fuel pump
Brand new 2.0t oil pump
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[funkypterodacty]

Very nice choice of parts, didn't know cp made pistons for our engine. Would you mind linking ?

Also, did you get your rods rifle drilled ?

[Denio24]

these are the ones I got for my build. I also had mine coated at swain-tech.

https://www.amazon.com/CP-Pistons-SC7621-Piston-Ring/dp/B00BQT8CYK

[brock2428]

Very nice choice of parts, didn't know cp made pistons for our engine. Would you mind linking ?

Also, did you get your rods rifle drilled ?

Hey mate I got my tuner/engine builder to order the pistons for me. As it was his recommendation to get them
But I believe he got them from pagpartsturbo? I think

I didn’t go for rifle drilling as per his recommendation as well



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[brock2428]

Possibly the most important part arrived !
Brand new 2.0t oil pump
Thanks dru from jhm for the hook up 66904


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[funkypterodacty]

I didn’t go for rifle drilling as per his recommendation as well





Curious as to why that is ?

[brock2428]

Curious as to why that is ?

He told me that it will weaken the rods in the long run



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[Denio24]

Cut those balance shaft gears out and get a fluidampr.

[brock2428]

Cut those balance shaft gears out and get a fluidampr.

I got a fluidamper


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[canadianA4B7]

Cut those balance shaft gears out, balance your rotating assembly and get a fluidampr.

Corrected that for you.

[Denio24]

Ie rods come balanced, and the crank is already balanced!!! Though i guess one can do it if the paranoia is too much lol....edit, forgot the flywheel.

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[canadianA4B7]

Ie rods come balanced, and the crank is already balanced!!! Though i guess one can do it if the paranoia is too much lol....edit, forgot the flywheel.

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New Crank from IE had to be balanced.

[brock2428]

Cut those balance shaft gears out and get a fluidampr.

Also why would I cut out my balance gears out on a brand new pump
It’s got a long life before I’ll have any oil issues and I would replace it before they come up anyway


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[Denio24]

It depends on what you want to do with the car. If you're daily driving it as well as autocross or track racing with high revs, it's probably better to cut the shafts or remove the gear. The reasoning behind this is that when the engine is oil starved the shafts are usually first to go which can wreak havoc on the rest of the engine. It doesn't matter if you have a new or old pump, it just depends on what you plan on doing with the car.

[brock2428]

It depends on what you want to do with the car. If you're daily driving it as well as autocross or track racing with high revs, it's probably better to cut the shafts or remove the gear. The reasoning behind this is that when the engine is oil starved the shafts are usually first to go which can wreak havoc on the rest of the engine. It doesn't matter if you have a new or old pump, it just depends on what you plan on doing with the car.

I am going to be daily driving it and it will be seeing th drag strip not sure about auto cross yet
But I’m not gonna go crazy with high revs at this stage


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[brock2428]

Just installed this awesome flat bottom steering wheel from axis !
Looks amazing


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[EvolutionArmory]

Also why would I cut out my balance gears out on a brand new pump
It’s got a long life before I’ll have any oil issues and I would replace it before they come up anyway


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You wouldn't. You did the right thing by buying a brand new OEM pump. You run into problems when you build your motor and throw in your tired old pump or throw in a pump that isn't meant for the car. You'll have no issues with that new OEM pump, at least not for a very long time.

If I ever build the block on my car I'll just do drop in rods and a brand new OEM oil pump. It will suck to chew down 1600 bucks for the new OEM pump but I feel it's the right move.

[brock2428]

You wouldn't. You did the right thing by buying a brand new OEM pump. You run into problems when you build your motor and throw in your tired old pump or throw in a pump that isn't meant for the car. You'll have no issues with that new OEM pump, at least not for a very long time.

If I ever build the block on my car I'll just do drop in rods and a brand new OEM oil pump. It will suck to chew down 1600 bucks for the new OEM pump but I feel it's the right move.

It’s good to finally hear some support !

I was just gonna do rods but I was one of the lucky ones that got the great pistons rings installed form factory ! So I decided to go ahead and do it all

[EvolutionArmory]

My car has really even compression, well over 200 psi so the block appears to be pretty healthy. Drop in rods, new rings, a light hone and a new oil pump should be more than enough.

If you do too much without good reason, it seems people run into problems. Especially since the rods and the oil pump really seem to be the limiting factors so I'm only going to focus on them.

It will be a while before I even consider engine work though. I've got some running issues to sort out with my K04 before I even go there.

[brock2428]

My car has really even compression, well over 200 psi so the block appears to be pretty healthy. Drop in rods, new rings, a light hone and a new oil pump should be more than enough.

If you do too much without good reason, it seems people run into problems. Especially since the rods and the oil pump really seem to be the limiting factors so I'm only going to focus on them.

It will be a while before I even consider engine work though. I've got some running issues to sort out with my K04 before I even go there.

Very true !
I think mine was like 140 across all 4 last time I got it done and a leak down test showed the rings where on there way out

Will still be awhile before the work starts to happen !
Still need to go to strip on the stock block and see what I can do

[brock2428]

Small update

Another package arrived at my door from JHM

JHM B7 S4 rotors
Hawk ceramic pads
Jhm s/s lines
Hpa manifold
Jhm boost gauge

And some small maintenance parts

So the plan is to do my brakes and then early next year the car should be at the shop getting all engine work sorted out
I will also be using b8 s4 brakes

For those that don’t know my build will consist of
Ie h beam rods
Cp pistons 83 mm stock comp
Mahle race bearings and rod bearings
Arp head studs
Arp crank bolt
Fluidamper pully
Hpa intake manifold
Aem water meth
Brand new 2.0t oil pump
Jhm 340 Lph fuel pump
Pm3 fuel pump controller

Also in the mists if organising a spare transmission getting rebuilt at jhm for when the one I have fails

The shop will take care of everything
And they will be tuning it as well

Hoping to max out the turbo or the injectors we will see what comes first
Hoping for 300-320 atwkw

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[brock2428]

Got the brakes fitted up
They came up pretty good
Happy with the feel and out come


Small note if anyone is looking to do this normally you use the b8 s4 front ss lines and cable tie them up out of the way but when I ordered mine from jhm they sent me the rears as well. The rears are slightly smaller so I used them on the front and didn’t have to worrie about cable tieing them

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[EvolutionArmory]

Have you heard that Torqbyte replaced the PM3 with the PM4? It might be more versatile for your fueling needs.

I’m also curious as to how the HPA intake manifold works out for you. I’d like to get one but I think I’m running on the ragged edge of stock bottom end safety and fuel supply to take advantage of increased airflow. I’m running stock rods and the stock fuel pump with a RS4 controller. I don’t think I can run that manifold efficiently yet.

[brock2428]

I did hear something about the pm4 but I thought I read that it’s more for mqb cars

I’m excited that i decides To get the intake manifold
Will have w/m heaps easy and if I run out of injectors I can run another 4 now with the intake

[canadianA4B7]

I have a pm3 file that should get you up and running. If you need I can send.

[brock2428]

Should be all good man
I’m having a shop build/ tune the car so shouldn’t need an files

Plus everything is getting done early next year

[EvolutionArmory]

I did hear something about the pm4 but I thought I read that it’s more for mqb cars

I’m excited that i decides To get the intake manifold
Will have w/m heaps easy and if I run out of injectors I can run another 4 now with the intake

Instead of being placed in between the stock FPCM and the pump like the PM3 is, the PM4 replaces the FPCM completely. They have plug and play adapters for a variety of cars.

I’ll probably run a PM4 with TTRS guts in an OEM basket if the RS4 control module and stock pump starts to slip up on me.

Check out the PM3/PM4 differences and see if the PM4 will be better for you. It would be best to do it now than after installing it all and finding out the PM3 isn’t quite the answer.

[EvolutionArmory]

Hey, maybe you might know the answer to this since you bought one. Do you know who makes the fuel pumps for JHM’s 255 and 340 fuel pump kits? And the pumps a known brand?

[i3oricua]

Hey, maybe you might know the answer to this since you bought one. Do you know who makes the fuel pumps for JHM’s 255 and 340 fuel pump kits? And the pumps a known brand?

DEATSCHWERKS 255 lph DW200

[brock2428]

Yeah I think dru said the 350 lph one is a dw 300

They rub the branding off the pump but you can slightly see it

[EvolutionArmory]

That’s good to know if it’s true, thanks.

[canadianA4B7]

I’ll probably run a PM4 with TTRS guts in an OEM basket if the RS4 control module and stock pump starts to slip up on me.

Check out the PM3/PM4 differences and see if the PM4 will be better for you. It would be best to do it now than after installing it all and finding out the PM3 isn’t quite the answer.

I would speak to torqbyte b4 using rs4 controller as the oem unit. They had suggested that I abandon that unit and use the oem A4 as it will allow the pm or cm units better transition between the 2 controllers.

You may want to also look at the CM5 as it can control 2 fuel sources in 1 unit, and also has additional outputs for those looking to use both fuel and w/m at the same time this will allow more options for controlling individual nozzles. Just food for thought.

[EvolutionArmory]

If I run a Torqbyte product it will be a PM4, which completely replaces the stock/RS4 FPCM. No need to worry about the stock or RS4 controller because it won’t be there. It will be on EBay. 😀

I believe that is the main difference between the PM3 and PM4. The PM3 works in line between your controller and the fuel pump. The PM4 completely removes the Audi controller from the whole situation. That is probably explains why it’s 2X the price of the PM3.

Watch the install video on TB’s website. It installs in like 15 minutes and they remove the GTI controller completely from the car. The hardest part would be running the power lines to the battery and that’s just time consuming if you want a clean install.

[al3k]

If I run a Torqbyte product it will be a PM4, which completely replaces the stock/RS4 FPCM. No need to worry about the stock or RS4 controller because it won’t be there. It will be on EBay. 😀

I believe that is the main difference between the PM3 and PM4. The PM3 works in line between your controller and the fuel pump. The PM4 completely removes the Audi controller from the whole situation. That is probably explains why it’s 2X the price of the PM3.

Watch the install video on TB’s website. It installs in like 15 minutes and they remove the GTI controller completely from the car. The hardest part would be running the power lines to the battery and that’s just time consuming if you want a clean install.

True, Pm4 seems awesome.
The PM3 is useless with the OEM A4 controller, you would need a rs4 controller or cm5-lt or J538x in front of it to have a usefull LP system.
reason OEM a4 controller sux is you only get 65% duty out of it, but wait a minute you might say.. "when logging block 231 i see my duty go as high as 90%++".. nope this is what the ECU is commanding, but at the pump it would only peak at 65% because the rescale function insisde the a4 oem controller. RS4 controller doesnt have this issue to this degree. so there is actually 35% gain in duty which is possible by having a torqbyte cm5, J538x or PM4, but a PM3 wont do anything about the duty it will only handle more amps and you wont draw more amps with for example the OEM pump without increasing the duty.
Almost nobody knows about this information so I try to spread it each time I see it relevant.

[EvolutionArmory]

The PM4 looks like they jammed the J538 module in with the PM3. 2 in 1.

The PM4 looks like it could be the answer to all of our prayers. Too bad it took 13 years for someone to think of it. 🤣🤣

[EvolutionArmory]

And too bad it’s 700 dollars. 😞

[texasboy21]

True, Pm4 seems awesome.
The PM3 is useless with the OEM A4 controller, you would need a rs4 controller or cm5-lt or J538x in front of it to have a usefull LP system.
reason OEM a4 controller sux is you only get 65% duty out of it, but wait a minute you might say.. "when logging block 231 i see my duty go as high as 90%++".. nope this is what the ECU is commanding, but at the pump it would only peak at 65% because the rescale function insisde the a4 oem controller. RS4 controller doesnt have this issue to this degree. so there is actually 35% gain in duty which is possible by having a torqbyte cm5, J538x or PM4, but a PM3 wont do anything about the duty it will only handle more amps and you wont draw more amps with for example the OEM pump without increasing the duty.
Almost nobody knows about this information so I try to spread it each time I see it relevant.

This is really great info!

Just today I starting taking a look at my low pressure fueling and its not keeping up.

I have the Boost Manager Plus driving and controlling the OEM LPFP. I need to find a solution.

[al3k]

This is really great info!

Just today I starting taking a look at my low pressure fueling and its not keeping up.

I have the Boost Manager Plus driving and controlling the OEM LPFP. I need to find a solution.
How is the boost manager plus controlling the pump? is it wired directly to the unit?

[texasboy21]

How is the boost manager plus controlling the pump? is it wired directly to the unit?

Correct it is boosting the pump with extra amps, and wired into the controller. 4 wires running from the BM+ to the pump and controller.

[texasboy21]

True, Pm4 seems awesome.
The PM3 is useless with the OEM A4 controller, you would need a rs4 controller or cm5-lt or J538x in front of it to have a usefull LP system.
reason OEM a4 controller sux is you only get 65% duty out of it, but wait a minute you might say.. "when logging block 231 i see my duty go as high as 90%++".. nope this is what the ECU is commanding, but at the pump it would only peak at 65% because the rescale function insisde the a4 oem controller. RS4 controller doesnt have this issue to this degree. so there is actually 35% gain in duty which is possible by having a torqbyte cm5, J538x or PM4, but a PM3 wont do anything about the duty it will only handle more amps and you wont draw more amps with for example the OEM pump without increasing the duty.
Almost nobody knows about this information so I try to spread it each time I see it relevant.

Is there a way to determine what the pump duty cycle actually is compared to the requested? I am still trying to wrap my head around all of this, but it is my understanding that the BM+ functions similarly to the PM3 (driving the pump), and CM5 (controlling the pump). Here is a screen grab of the BP+ LPFP duty map.

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1943/30518970287_4e1812328b_b.jpg

[al3k]

Is there a way to determine what the pump duty cycle actually is compared to the requested? I am still trying to wrap my head around all of this, but it is my understanding that the BM+ functions similarly to the PM3 (driving the pump), and CM5 (controlling the pump). Here is a screen grab of the BP+ LPFP duty map.

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1943/30518970287_4e1812328b_b.jpg

No there is not, you will need to calibrate your duty cycle table so its meets the request pressure you can log it in block 231, just ignore the duty % in the third colum its not a actual value sent to the pump itself.

[al3k]

are you using the OEM pump?
Im not sure whats possible with the BM+ but with the CM5 I can set a setpoint RPM and boost at which the CM5 will take over the control of the pump this means I dont have to calibrate all the low loads values so while daily driving and cruising it follows the ecu as oem, and then when I floor it, say everything after 3000rpm and 8psi will follow a custom duty cycle table using MAP and RPM axis kind of simular to yours

[texasboy21]

That’s for this! I’ll continue to dig and see what exactly the BM+ is capable of.

I believe it is the OEM pump.

[texasboy21]

...with the CM5 I can set a set point RPM and boost at which the CM5 will take over the control of the pump this means I dont have to calibrate all the low loads values so while daily driving and cruising it follows the ecu as oem, and then when I floor it, say everything after 3000rpm and 8psi will follow a custom duty cycle table using MAP and RPM axis kind of similar to yours

I have the ability to do that as well. Do you mind sharing (or messaging me) a little bit about how to you have the duty cycle mapped?

I am hoping that I can drop in an uprated pump, and use the BM+ to control and drive the LPFP rather than replacing it with a TorqByte solution.

[al3k]

its pretty much what I said above, I do WOT and log while watching block 231, best to be two so one can keep and eye on the road while the other one monitor computer. you wil also need to log boost.
if actual LP goes under spesified LP then release throttle and find the point in the log, look at your boost and rpm in the log where LP dropped and increase duty in that cell in the BM+ software, do this step by step and try to predict the closest cell values untill you have most of the table where you engine is operating mapped complete.
it doesnt need to be spot on, but within 0.5bar should be good, I pretty much just aim for 4.5 - 5 bar across the rpm range,and you would want the ECU to control the pump when you are not in boost.

[texasboy21]

its pretty much what I said above, I do WOT and log while watching block 231, best to be two so one can keep and eye on the road while the other one monitor computer. you wil also need to log boost.
if actual LP goes under spesified LP then release throttle and find the point in the log, look at your boost and rpm in the log where LP dropped and increase duty in that cell in the BM+ software, do this step by step and try to predict the closest cell values untill you have most of the table where you engine is operating mapped complete.
it doesnt need to be spot on, but within 0.5bar should be good, I pretty much just aim for 4.5 - 5 bar across the rpm range,and you would want the ECU to control the pump when you are not in boost.

This makes sense, thank you!

[TheChenga]

Great to see some a nice build happening over here. You've gone all out with all the goodies. Keen to see how it's all come along and any updates?

[brock2428]

Hey guys small update the car has gone in for some paint, engine build gotta a little side tracked. But now searching for a new motor as mine blew cylinder 4.
But for the mean time check out the progress of the re spray came up a treat https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200104/6c988e616a6665ada83d454b1e9ad56f.jpg


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[EvolutionArmory]

Did you ever get the car on the dyno again before your engine failure? Your last set of pulls was K04 power on a TD05.

I wonder if JHM’s tune was responsible for your engine failure. It seems cars running their stage 3 or K04 tune like to pop.

A JHM K04 tune car popped last year after a month of him getting it back from them, my JHM K04 tune was masking a clogged cylinder 2 injector that I caught when I switched tunes and probably saved my car and now you lost cylinder 4 with their TD05 tune. JHM cars are underperforming and popping more than you hear success stories.

[brock2428]

No never did go back to the dyno again .
Will definitely be going for a custom tune for the built block tho.

Haven’t pulled the engine apart yet to see what actually failed but it happens when moving the car in and around the paint shop. Which I think was pretty odd.


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[brock2428]

New motor on the way.

Hopefully get the car running and back in the road this time next week. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200108/580988c75bfaff6bec9f860c882067fd.jpg


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[brock2428]

Fun times
Can’t wait that get back and dive this car around
Thinking of getting a re tune from a tuner in the closest city to see the difference between the jhm and a custom map https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200116/c1040713cfed43491ecc4a105c1d1e5f.jpg


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[brock2428]

Motor back in everything plug in , just have to put the 340lph fuel pump in and radiator support and she will be on the road again https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200203/3409f8adeef205e3e6a89da9626279e0.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200203/41c27cbf3affbd2d903a3fa987a198bb.jpg


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[brock2428]

Pulled the blown one apart, was my first time doing anything like this, had a lot of fun learning this part of an engine.
Here’s the Damage.
Silver piston is number 4
Dark piston is number 1
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[Okedokey]

is that a big hole?

[EvolutionArmory]

is that a big hole?

LOL!!!

Looks like liquid.

[Okedokey]

LOL!!!

Looks like liquid.

Hahah , yeah, you're right, on my laptop it looked like a perfect hole

[brock2428]

Hahaha that’s what I thought when we looked thru the bore scope

It’s just oil [emoji23]the sides of the pistons is where the range is


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[brock2428]

Some more carnage https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200323/d8377fc460e8ee5b5e0729cafdc60ff8.jpg


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[i3oricua]

Some more carnage https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200323/d8377fc460e8ee5b5e0729cafdc60ff8.jpg


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkOuch. I might have missed it. What caused it? Or have you not gotten that deep yet?

Edgar

[brock2428]

Not quite sure what happened, the car was being moved from the garage in and out while being detailed, started misfiring, had a look thru the bore scope and seen a gap so we tore it down

Would of liked it to blow if I was doing a pull in it


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[canadianA4B7]

head bolts.

I’m quite sure yours is now the 3rd motor I’ve seen do this in 6 months.

[i3oricua]

Do you have any pics of the rest of the piston? That looks like maybe some sort of debris got in there.

Edgar

[brock2428]

Not at the moment only other pics are back a bit when I took the head off and it’s still in its bore.

I’ll take a few more when I get back to my mechanics.

I’m trying to take the oil pump chain off, iv taken the tensioner off but still can’t find a way to get it off

Anyone know any tips


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[brock2428]

head bolts.

I’m quite sure yours is now the 3rd motor I’ve seen do this in 6 months.

What do you reckon? Loose head bolts ?


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[EvolutionArmory]

How would a head bolt damage a piston? Do you mean the head bolt snapped and rolled around in the head, took out the head and damaged the piston?

Is the head damaged? If it was a head bolt issue you would have figured that out when you took the bolts out, right?

[aluthman]

Not at the moment only other pics are back a bit when I took the head off and it’s still in its bore.

I’ll take a few more when I get back to my mechanics.

I’m trying to take the oil pump chain off, iv taken the tensioner off but still can’t find a way to get it off

Anyone know any tips


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Unbolt the sprocket on the oil pump or unbolt the pump assembly itself.

[canadianA4B7]

What do you reckon? Loose head bolts ?


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Backing out. I reported this awhile back. Was told by the internet the manufacturer of the bolts is wrong.

[brock2428]

How would a head bolt damage a piston? Do you mean the head bolt snapped and rolled around in the head, took out the head and damaged the piston?

Is the head damaged? If it was a head bolt issue you would have figured that out when you took the bolts out, right?

Yeah I took it apart myself, I’m no mechanic but I was there at my mechanics shop dismantling it under his guide, no bolts were loose at all, the head looks fine. Although a bit of shrapnel made its way into cylinder 1. Not quite sure how it got there


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[EvolutionArmory]

Is it a spark plug tip that caused the damage? Did you check the plug for that cylinder?

There’s only so many things that could cause that.

[brock2428]

Is it a spark plug tip that caused the damage? Did you check the plug for that cylinder?

There’s only so many things that could cause that.

Yeah spark plug was fine, was only 2k old


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[EvolutionArmory]

What do pistons look like when they burn from hot spots or when injectors fail? Are you running RS4 injectors?

[EvolutionArmory]

If you’re on JHM’s Kit you’re probably on S3’s but I figured I’d ask.

[brock2428]

If you’re on JHM’s Kit you’re probably on S3’s but I figured I’d ask.

Yeah I’m on s3
Didn’t realise we could use the rs4 ones heard,
I’m on my way tj strip the rest of it I can t photos of the rest of the pistons if you like


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[EvolutionArmory]

Here’s a pic of a BMW piston that had a clogged fuel injector. Looks similar.

168390

Edit: It’s a Mercedes piston


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[BSTD_B7]

Yeah I’m on s3
Didn’t realise we could use the rs4 ones heard,
I’m on my way tj strip the rest of it I can t photos of the rest of the pistons if you like


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I’ve been running the RS4 injectors, the flow is a little higher but the spray pattern isn’t as even, which I believe is why he was asking, in the wrong situation it probably can cause some hot spots, if you have S3’s I’m guessing that isn’t the cause though


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[EvolutionArmory]

I’ve been running the RS4 injectors, the flow is a little higher but the spray pattern isn’t as even, which I believe is why he was asking, in the wrong situation it probably can cause some hot spots, if you have S3’s I’m guessing that isn’t the cause though


Big Turbo B7
MK1 TT 225 Roadster

That’s exactly why I was asking.

[brock2428]

Here are the rest of the pistons
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200325/1a072efe1ccf5baa49644b89a8d793a9.jpg
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https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200325/5dbc92b564bb42690d911b7b57c95d54.jpg
Guess what number 4 is [emoji23][emoji23]


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[BSTD_B7]

Am I crazy or does the first one also have a pretty good chip on the top


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MK1 TT 225 Roadster

[brock2428]

Am I crazy or does the first one also have a pretty good chip on the top


Big Turbo B7
MK1 TT 225 Roadster

Yeah there was a little bit of carnage that made its way there


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[i3oricua]

Are you running a custom tune or is it JHMs tune?

Edgar

[brock2428]

Jhm tune


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[EvolutionArmory]

The hard part is figuring out what happened first. Did the top hit something first and cause a hot spot that damaged the sides or did the sides get damaged first and cause the top dent.

I guess it doesn’t matter at this point. Fucked up is fucked up no matter what happened first.


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[EvolutionArmory]

Maybe a fuel injector failed open, washed the cylinder and your piston melted?


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[BSTD_B7]

If you have damage on more than one cylinder maybe check your compressor wheel and throttle plate and stuff like that, a failure in one cylinder shouldn’t be able to put debris into one of the other cylinders, I had my throttle plate shatter last season, luckily the pieces didn’t make it past the manifold in my case


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MK1 TT 225 Roadster

[brock2428]

If you have damage on more than one cylinder maybe check your compressor wheel and throttle plate and stuff like that, a failure in one cylinder shouldn’t be able to put debris into one of the other cylinders, I had my throttle plate shatter last season, luckily the pieces didn’t make it past the manifold in my case


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MK1 TT 225 Roadster

Compressor was fine, so was the inlet, as I’m using both on my donor motor, I thought it was pretty crazy that there was something go into another cylinder.


The fuel injectors are fine they weren’t clogged or anything,


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[BSTD_B7]

Compressor was fine, so was the inlet, as I’m using both on my donor motor, I thought it was pretty crazy that there was something go into another cylinder.


The fuel injectors are fine they weren’t clogged or anything,


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Did you blow test the injectors? See if one is stuck open?


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MK1 TT 225 Roadster

[brock2428]

Did you blow test the injectors? See if one is stuck open?


Big Turbo B7
MK1 TT 225 Roadster

I didn’t personally but my mechanic swapped everything over onto the new motor so I’d imagine he would of done it


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[BSTD_B7]

I didn’t personally but my mechanic swapped everything over onto the new motor so I’d imagine he would of done it


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Hopefully! Haha


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MK1 TT 225 Roadster

[brock2428]

Hopefully! Haha


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MK1 TT 225 Roadster

He’s pretty good haha, we did go thru everything.

In other news we are sending then block and head away to get Machined for the new pistol a today.

Anyone know where I can get a thicker head gasket ?
I’m getting bored to 83mm, would I need a thicker head gasket?


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[brock2428]

New day new problem at the moment [emoji23]
Motor is about to be reassembled with all of the after market goodies getting pretty excited https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200907/154df31824d56f839b2afb934da3b26f.jpg


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[i3oricua]

New day new problem at the moment [emoji23]
Motor is about to be reassembled with all of the after market goodies getting pretty excited https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200907/154df31824d56f839b2afb934da3b26f.jpg


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkWOW! Quality stuff there.

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[BSTD_B7]

WOW! Quality stuff there.

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Sorry am I seeing a broken weld??? Or did you cut that?


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[brock2428]

Yeah started off as a crack then a week later was fully snapped


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[BSTD_B7]

Yeah started off as a crack then a week later was fully snapped


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Damn, might look into building my own manifold sooner than I thought lol, I have the same JHM one


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MK1 TT 225 Roadster

[EvolutionArmory]

JHM makes a cast one now. That might be a good option if you’re worried about yours cracking.


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[aluthman]

That’s sad. It literally doesn’t get any easier to weld than a log manifold...

[BSTD_B7]

JHM makes a cast one now. That might be a good option if you’re worried about yours cracking.


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I think I’m going to do a top mount manifold so I’ll need to make one or have one made


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[Gioto]

Hey Brock,
Curious to know how your build is going, as i'm after the same power goal with my b7, and am conflicted on whats the best route.

Cheers

[brock2428]

Hey Brock,
Curious to know how your build is going, as i'm after the same power goal with my b7, and am conflicted on whats the best route.

Cheers

Hey man thanks for the question! Me and my mechanic have just started to put the new motor back together with all the new goodies, this add up ! Yeah plus I’m trying to use new accessories ( oil cooler, oil filter housing ect)
Things move a little slower down here in Australia, there’s not much support for our model car down here


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[Gioto]

Great to hear it hasn't been abandoned. I'd love to know the performance/cost figures, as the cost for sourcing parts down-under would be different to many of the builds I've read about in america and europe. I hope it puts a bigger smile on your face from your previous setup.

Cheers