0-60 GPS measurements: stock vs. APR stage I on 2017 RS7 Performance

[limeypride]

Prior to tuning and on pump gas (92/93 octane), the 2017 RS7 Performance would reliably hit 60 come rain or shine in 3.19sec (measurements per my Solo GPS device)--that's fast by any standard. I had the APR stage I installed last Wed @around 5,000 miles (still less than 2 weeks old at that point... long story) by AchTuning in Bellevue (speak to Kelly--all-around great guy). I've been progressively pushing the car harder, in part because the weather has sucked a little less each day. I took her out earlier to get updated Solo GPS 0-60 numbers; the temperature was 69F and the tune set to 93octane which is what I had in the tank. If anyone has concerns as to the performance merits/capabilities of the APR tune, allow me to help:

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... this number is consistently achievable. The number alone absolutely blows my mind but the consistency is fantastic icing. This is approaching Hypercar launch performance and it did it on it on pump gas; bring on the stage II and race gas.

[jstrebel]

So nice

[JoeCaMotto]

[eek] Wow that's fast for such a heavy car[drool]

[3rdBNCC]

You will get more than that from the tune if you are on the 104 file. Give it a try and you will start seeing consistent 2.6x second 0-60 times. Stage 2 will get you to sub 2.5 second times. If you believe the race calculators out there, my 10.344 1/4 mile run was calculated at 2.1 seconds 0-60. Not likely, but with the fudge factor it puts me at 2.3 seconds which I feel was conceivable.

[Rez90]

One a car has APR stage 1 is there any difference between an RS7 and RS7 Performance model in terms of power?

[cobrario]

One a car has APR stage 1 is there any difference between an RS7 and RS7 Performance model in terms of power?

According to APR there is not

[limeypride]

One a car has APR stage 1 is there any difference between an RS7 and RS7 Performance model in terms of power?

From what I've heard, no. I'd like to put that to the test at some point since the engine mods go far beyond mere ECU updates. It could also be a matter of time for APR/others to determine how to better exploit the hardware changes... or things could remain status-quo. All that aside: the power of this car is stunning.

[limeypride]

According to APR there is not

I'm driving to Vegas this coming Wed. Oh how I wish VA was in between WA and NV so we could put this question to bed once and for all. I fear geography isn't on our side, though.

@cobrario: have you got any numbers for your car since the stage 1 (1/4 mile or even 0-60)?

[limeypride]

You will get more than that from the tune if you are on the 104 file. Give it a try and you will start seeing consistent 2.6x second 0-60 times. Stage 2 will get you to sub 2.5 second times. If you believe the race calculators out there, my 10.344 1/4 mile run was calculated at 2.1 seconds 0-60. Not likely, but with the fudge factor it puts me at 2.3 seconds which I feel was conceivable.

I've got 6 canisters of Torco octane booster for the trip. I'm told this stuff actually works by folks in whom I have some faith. Apparently, adding 32 oz to 10 gallons of 92 octane pump gas will take the effective octane of that 10 gallons to either 100 or 104 (can't recall right now) so I'll crank the tune up a notch or two when the chance arises and try again. I've also asked APR to formerly respond as to whether the Akrapovic exhaust is sufficiently free-flowing to negate the need for hacking it open and allowing the stage II as-is... I'm not optimistic, though.

[cobrario]

I'm driving to Vegas this coming Wed. Oh how I wish VA was in between WA and NV so we could put this question to bed once and for all. I fear geography isn't on our side, though.

@cobrario: have you got any numbers for your car since the stage 1 (1/4 mile or even 0-60)?

Regrettably proximity is working against our ability to put that question to bed -I too would love to have it answered via side by side race [:D]
As for my after flash performance, Sean (Serpent) and I hope to hit the track together Saturday the 13th, weather permitting I'll have Stage 1 results soon. I will be running GT260+ 104 and I'm hoping to crack 10.5X or better, fingers crossed.

[Serpent]

From what I've heard, no. I'd like to put that to the test at some point since the engine mods go far beyond mere ECU updates. It could also be a matter of time for APR/others to determine how to better exploit the hardware changes... or things could remain status-quo. All that aside: the power of this car is stunning.

Come to the RS7 shootout in October! Would love to see what a Stage 1 RS7 runs against a stage 1 RS7 P.

I've hit 2.5-2.6 0-60 times on 100 octane consistently.

[3rdBNCC]

Come to the RS7 shootout in October! Would love to see what a Stage 1 RS7 runs against a stage 1 RS7 P.

I've hit 2.5-2.6 0-60 times on 100 octane consistently.

Sean - Those 0-60 times are with the Stage 2, correct?

[3rdBNCC]

Regrettably proximity is working against our ability to put that question to bed -I too would love to have it answered via side by side race [:D]
As for my after flash performance, Sean (Serpent) and I hope to hit the track together Saturday the 13th, weather permitting I'll have Stage 1 results soon. I will be running GT260+ 104 and I'm hoping to crack 10.5X or better, fingers crossed.

And I will be making the trip up there next weekend to video tape the two RS7s in action. We are all hoping the weather forecast turns favorable. Should be a lot of fun.

[pawels1]

Those RS7 times are incredible I bet that many people would not even believe it. I was managed on my just S6 ( the only tune is Revo Stage 1) with launch make 3.1
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[Rez90]

According to APR there is not

good to know. looking forward to tuning my wifes car...lol

[limeypride]

Come to the RS7 shootout in October! Would love to see what a Stage 1 RS7 runs against a stage 1 RS7 P.

I've hit 2.5-2.6 0-60 times on 100 octane consistently.

Amazing numbers. Are you running the stock rubber?

I improved my times very slightly to a 2.74 last night--I attribute it to the colder air vs. the runs I did during the day. All of those runs are on 92 octane with an over-the-counter octane enhancer that claims to take 10 gallons up a whole 10 points--the car hasn't disagreed with it. I'll be giving it a shot on 100 octane in the coming week or so.

[VipinLJ]

What do you mean those numbers approach hypercar performance? Those ARE hypercar numbers!!!! Damn

[Rez90]

TS what is your technique for launching the car? Dynamic/load the torque converter?

Esp off?

[limeypride]

What do you mean those numbers approach hypercar performance? Those ARE hypercar numbers!!!! Damn

LOL [up]

[cobrario]

TS what is your technique for launching the car? Dynamic/load the torque converter?

Esp off?

Yup- I do ESP fully off, the usual hold button for about 4-5 seconds. Mash the brake pedal and you can press the gas to come up on the convertor to as high as about 3k rpm then release the brake and off you go. I've not used a vbox or other timer to verify but my 1/8th trap and times calculate to about 3.0-3.1 0-60 when stock. I'm trying to run my 93 out to get 104 in this week and at that point I'm guessing I'll be close to Sean in the 2.5 range which is 991.2 TT or LP750 territory - supercar numbers indeed.

[limeypride]

Yup- I do ESP fully off, the usual hold button for about 4-5 seconds. Mash the brake pedal and you can press the gas to come up on the convertor to as high as about 3k rpm then release the brake and off you go. I've not used a vbox or other timer to verify but my 1/8th trap and times calculate to about 3.0-3.1 0-60 when stock. I'm trying to run my 93 out to get 104 in this week and at that point I'm guessing I'll be close to Sean in the 2.5 range which is 991.2 TT or LP750 territory - supercar numbers indeed.

I didn't find turning ESP off made any improvement having flip-flopped run to run, so I've settled on using that middle-ground mode for now.

I can't speak to cars with air suspension but, for Audi DRC, I'd strongly recommend NOT using dynamic in DriveSelect, setup Individual and keep things mostly dynamic but DRC in comfort--it's a .1 or .2 difference repeatedly.

Other than that, I follow cobrario's setup. I also flip to Lap Timer mode since that shows me my boost gauge which is lit up like a Christmas tree while loading up the torque.

@cobrario: in reasonably ideal conditions and fully stock on 92 octane with launch as above, the best I've managed is now 3.18 sec I think. All 4-wheels did slip just a little so a larger tire patch could give you another 1/10th or more. On 104 with APR stage I in-play, 2.5 seems perfectly realistic to me based on the gains I've seen so far.

[cobrario]

Limeypride- I've actually found through some trial and error at the track that lowering my car by about 30mm front and 20mm rear netted me the best 60' times, not by a lot, maybe .04 sec but it was better so that is what I will try again Saturday. As far as i know the stock 104 stage 1 record is 10.59 done on VP MS109. I'd like to eclipse that obviously and think all things equal, and from what I've read, it's possible on Sunoco vs VP.

[limeypride]

Limeypride- I've actually found through some trial and error at the track that lowering my car by about 30mm front and 20mm rear netted me the best 60' times, not by a lot, maybe .04 sec but it was better so that is what I will try again Saturday. As far as i know the stock 104 stage 1 record is 10.59 done on VP MS109. I'd like to eclipse that obviously and think all things equal, and from what I've read, it's possible on Sunoco vs VP.

Sigh, yes but you can lower your car with keystrokes; mine requires open-heart surgery. [headbang]

[cobrario]

Sigh, yes but you can lower your car with keystrokes; mine requires open-heart surgery. [headbang]

True, likely the only downside of the "P" model, if you could call it that[;)].

[Serpent]

Sean - Those 0-60 times are with the Stage 2, correct?

Yes, stage 2, 100 octane with like half tank of gas.

[Serpent]

Amazing numbers. Are you running the stock rubber?

I improved my times very slightly to a 2.74 last night--I attribute it to the colder air vs. the runs I did during the day. All of those runs are on 92 octane with an over-the-counter octane enhancer that claims to take 10 gallons up a whole 10 points--the car hasn't disagreed with it. I'll be giving it a shot on 100 octane in the coming week or so.

Yes, stock rubber. I recently switched to PS4S, will see how I do with them on saturday.

[Serpent]

Sigh, yes but you can lower your car with keystrokes; mine requires open-heart surgery. [headbang]

Performance doesn't come with air? interesting. THat would be a deal breaker for me. I like having the ability to raise car when i'm leaving low driveways.

[Js59]

What do you mean those numbers approach hypercar performance? Those ARE hypercar numbers!!!! Damn

What he said!! Can anyone list a car - "hyper" or not - that can put up these numbers? The Dodge Demon, 911 Turbo S and maybe Tesla 100D are about the only ones I can think of that can touch that 0-60 time. Agree?

[cobrario]

What he said!! Can anyone list a car - "hyper" or not - that can put up these numbers? The Dodge Demon, 911 Turbo S and maybe Tesla 100D are about the only ones I can think of that can touch that 0-60 time. Agree?

Mclaren's pretty much all of them, 991 TT, P 918, R8 V10+, Haracan, Aventador, Demon (only if on VHT and on DR or Slicks), P100, Ferrari 812, Laferrari, Bugatti? are only "mass" production models I can think of.

[limeypride]

UPDATE

Tonight, I ran down a tank of 93 octane to say 2 gallons or so. I added 32 oz of Torco race-fuel octane supplement and then added 7 gallons of 92 octane pump gas. Torco claim that should result in a 10-gallon-tank of 104 octane or thereabouts. I called AchTuning in Bellevue to seek some confirmation as to the likelihood of that meeting the fuel requirements if I crank the APR tune to its 100 or even 104 octane file(s). Of course, I didn't get a "sure, it'll be just peachy" but they weren't concerned either but suggesting that I get some logs before booting the $hit out of it. As of 30 minutes ago, it appeared that last part of advice went in one ear and out the other... doh [facepalm].

The results go like this:
- based on observation alone, the car ran fine both on 100 octane and 104 octane; no warnings, hiccups or negative changes in behavior
- the sound of the engine changed distinctly in both settings; more electrical whine and turbo whistle in both
- the pull in 4th gear @100 octane was shocking, @104 I experienced more torque-steer than I've ever encountered in any front or 4wd car... controllable, though
- I ran a few 3rd and 4 WOT runs and then drove vigorously to my favorite quiet (off)road straight to try a few GPS-timed 0-60s
- in either 100 or 104, the power overwhelmed the tires and my 0-60 times were 3 seconds plus every time which I attribute to horrific 4xwheelspin
- to validate/calibrate, I lowered the tune to 93 and hit 60 in 2.86 sec
- short story: I hate these tires and I'm convinced that among the geniuses at Audi, there are a few complete and utter spanners (likely in control of wheels, tires, shift-paddles and the sunroof button)
... ahhh, 1st-world problems. [>_<]

That said, when you're moving--maintain a strong grip on the wheel... jeeeeez, that's some power (all in a good way).

--> bring on the new wheels; new tires; better traction and lower times

PS: I leave for Vegas in 2-days with the RS7 and, once there, I'll be driving a 458, Hurican, 670S and others round a racetrack and I don't own any of them... AWESUMMMMMMMMMM! [drive]

[limeypride]

Mclaren's pretty much all of them, 991 TT, P 918, R8 V10+, Haracan, Aventador, Demon (only if on VHT and on DR or Slicks), P100, Ferrari 812, Laferrari, Bugatti? are only "mass" production models I can think of.

Wow, way to bring this thread to its knees of depression [=(] Hahahaha...

[cobrario]

Wow, way to bring this thread to its knees of depression [=(] Hahahaha...

The funny thing is most of those cars will never expect our tub to be anywhere close let alone in front of them and that's the beauty of the RS7- like I said in another thread, the RS is a sledge hammer, not a surgical tool like most of the others on that list and what I love about it most.

[RAF_S7]

UPDATE
The sunroof button[drive]

Nothing a bit of Alcantra tape won't fix [rolleyes]

[limeypride]

Nothing a bit of Alcantra tape won't fix [rolleyes]

I did in fact find a way of improving it: I sprayed WD40 (more than typically needed) in there, spent 10 mins sopping up the drips and it's got a far more clunky, less gritty feel now.

[nickrs7]

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[pez81]

I am interested in trying an octane booster as race gas in the UK is £180 inc shipping for 25 litres. Is it safe to use every now and then?

[p3u]

Octane booster is snake oil. Don't put that in your beautiful car

[RSLRS71]

good stuff brotha! people don't know about these RS7 Performance's ;)

[vic55]

great results- question in general as Im coming back to the Audi Turbo world (R8 is not of course LOL)... are the service departments still flagging turbo cars that are tuned (or any for that matter)?

[RSLRS71]

I'm driving to Vegas this coming Wed. Oh how I wish VA was in between WA and NV so we could put this question to bed once and for all. I fear geography isn't on our side, though.

@cobrario: have you got any numbers for your car since the stage 1 (1/4 mile or even 0-60)?

stop thru Colorado bud....hell, maybe i'll roll with ya. lol am registered for SEMA but dont know anybody else who is going... (SEMA is Oct 31-Nov 2) anybody elese have a ticket?

[cobrario]

great results- question in general as Im coming back to the Audi Turbo world (R8 is not of course LOL)... are the service departments still flagging turbo cars that are tuned (or any for that matter)?

yes, AOA is probably more sensitive to it than ever.

[Ze_Nardo6]

great results- question in general as Im coming back to the Audi Turbo world (R8 is not of course LOL)... are the service departments still flagging turbo cars that are tuned (or any for that matter)?

Yes Audi will TD1 (flag) a car that has aftermarket software...whether N/A, turbo or supercharged

[vic55]

yes, AOA is probably more sensitive to it than ever.


Yes Audi will TD1 (flag) a car that has aftermarket software...whether N/A, turbo or supercharged

Thanks, I was getting conflicted info where I was told they automatically look for ECU mods on Turbos but not on N/A cars... albeit almost all their cars are turbo in nature.

[RSLRS71]

Wow, way to bring this thread to its knees of depression [=(] Hahahaha...

Mclarens are turds IMO. P1 or go home. lol they are like the BMW of supercars. lol

[Ze_Nardo6]

Mclarens are turds IMO. P1 or go home. lol they are like the BMW of supercars. lol

You've obviously never been in a 675LT

[pez81]

Octane booster is snake oil. Don't put that in your beautiful car
I was of the same.opinion but even MRC here in the UK recommend it for occasional use. I've just ordered one can, unless anyone can prove it's really bad I might give it a try

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[cobrario]

Thanks, I was getting conflicted info where I was told they automatically look for ECU mods on Turbos but not on N/A cars... albeit almost all their cars are turbo in nature.

that said I've yet to let it stop me, there is just too much to be had via simple software changes on these cars, flash only will net you average + 90hp and peak +120 hp increases just on pump, if you like to track your car and run on 104 you'll see in excess of 150 hp peak on 104 - the RS7 is one of the fastest production cars in the world in stock form but software makes its straight line performance exceed all but the very elite in the world. I thought you mentioned your friend owns the dealer, if so I'm sure they can minimize the possibility of picking up software for you- if need be you can flash back to stock and most of the time that will insulate you from TD1.

good luck!

[vic55]

yes, AOA is probably more sensitive to it than ever.


Yes Audi will TD1 (flag) a car that has aftermarket software...whether N/A, turbo or supercharged


that said I've yet to let it stop me, there is just too much to be had via simple software changes on these cars, flash only will net you average + 90hp and peak +120 hp increases just on pump, if you like to track your car and run on 104 you'll see in excess of 150 hp peak on 104 - the RS7 is one of the fastest production cars in the world in stock form but software makes its straight line performance exceed all but the very elite in the world. I thought you mentioned your friend owns the dealer, if so I'm sure they can minimize the possibility of picking up software for you- if need be you can flash back to stock and most of the time that will insulate you from TD1.

good luck!

this is true, just hate to put him in a weird spot with his team but the reflash idea is good for me :)

[brad65ford]

nice thread limey! was looked for what an rs7 could pull off, seems they hold some good records on the new dragy thing (similar to vbox) just picked one up by haven't set it up yet. One things pretty cool about it is people are connected socially so you can see everyone's records etc..
The new e63s is pulling some nice times stock too, have a feeling the new e63s could walk a stock rs7 but a stage1 or2 would be pretty close. anyway just sharing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EeH98aV-6M

[limeypride]

nice thread limey! was looked for what an rs7 could pull off, seems they hold some good records on the new dragy thing (similar to vbox) just picked one up by haven't set it up yet. One things pretty cool about it is people are connected socially so you can see everyone's records etc..
The new e63s is pulling some nice times stock too, have a feeling the new e63s could walk a stock rs7 but a stage1 or2 would be pretty close. anyway just sharing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EeH98aV-6M

Thanks for bringing this one back--I'd forgotten some of the numbers I posted and actually found my own post interesting; how sad [confused]