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devonsmith96
04-02-2017, 10:49 AM
Does anyone know a place where I can have my 1.8t ecu modified for more hp?


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pyongwonse
04-02-2017, 10:51 AM
Year? Eurodyne, unitronics, giac, Apr, among many others.

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Seerlah
04-02-2017, 11:35 AM
What is your setup (engine mods)? What are your (power) goals? What chip to run [;)]?

devonsmith96
04-04-2017, 02:55 PM
My power goal is to push my car past the standard 150hp so starting off maybe at least 290hp it's a 1999 with a fmic, the motor is stock but the turbo was replaced with a k04. I know that the 1993-99 uses the k03 and I think it was later years used the k04 am I right?[emoji848]


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Davdraco1
04-04-2017, 03:06 PM
Reflect tuning. Email them. Your not make 290hp on a ko4. Maybe some other fuel but not on pump.

TheRedGlacier
04-04-2017, 03:06 PM
1997(First year of the 1.8T out here) to 2000 use the K03. The 2001 uses a slightly modified K03 (The 'S' model) same turbo specs for all years of the B6 too, IIRC.
Good luck pushing 290 HP though lol! Those are "big" turbo numbers. Not gigantic turbo, but much larger than stock.

With a good tune, and a K03s, you can probably see 200 hp at the crankshaft. Maybe up to 230 with full exhaust, turbo back.
Not all tunes are created equal.

Now then, the FMIC... If it is too large of a core, you will lose boost pressure, and with that, horsepower, due to the K03 not being able to "fill" the intercooler. FMIC on a K03 is more hurtful than helpful in my opinion, and generally in the numbers. Unless you go to a big turbo, I would just go back to the side mount OEM, or even aftermarket. These cars are pretty efficient in stock form.

Rodgman15
04-05-2017, 05:26 AM
Now then, the FMIC... If it is too large of a core, you will lose boost pressure, and with that, horsepower, due to the K03 not being able to "fill" the intercooler. FMIC on a K03 is more hurtful than helpful in my opinion, and generally in the numbers. Unless you go to a big turbo, I would just go back to the side mount OEM, or even aftermarket. These cars are pretty efficient in stock form.

^^^Truth. Can vouch for that! My FMIC was intended for my big turbo, but mounted and setup on the stock turbo while I waited on my manifold. Killed that poor little K03, took all the fun out of it.

devonsmith96
04-05-2017, 05:34 AM
So if I was gonna switch out my k04 what should I get for a turbo budget wise I got a $1000.00 saved. The reason I said 290hp is because I'm 20yrs old and I know that me and speed equals trouble but honestly I want my a4 to be an evo/sti killer I honestly want to make 400hp but I wanted to slowly work my way up to that[emoji28]


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devonsmith96
04-05-2017, 05:37 AM
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devonsmith96
04-05-2017, 05:38 AM
Also this is the fmic that's on my car would this be to big for the k04


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Believer
04-05-2017, 06:47 AM
Let me just ground you a bit: Your A4 will not be an STI/EVO killer without thousands of dollars in modifications. This would include forged rods, larger injectors, larger MAF housing, a big turbo, an exhaust manifold for the big turbo, a clutch that holds the power, an exhaust to support the power, a proper tune, new/upgraded motor mounts, and probably more once you start cracking into things. If your maintenance is not up to date you can expect weak spots to be highlighted very quickly when you start increasing power, such as ignition components.

As said above the max power you are looking at with the K04, with a proper tune, is 200 to 230 at the crankshaft. Without forged rods the tune will need to be more conservative to protect the flimsy stock rods from snapping from torque spiking.

$1k is not going to get you much.. It won't even get you an Eliminator kit, let alone the tune, injectors and other supporting and miscellaneous items you'll need. You should just go for a proper tune for the K04 and let go of the pipe dream of crushing EVOs and STIs until you can triple your budget, or more.

The intercooler you have is probably fine, but you will likely see a pressure drop due to the volume the small turbo will need to fill. A high quality side mount would be more suited for your needs and allow you to put your bumper back on. Based on the way the intercooler piping is routed, it doesn't look like that will be an easy feat as is. The passenger side piping also looks very close to the ground and at risk of hitting road debris.

devonsmith96
04-05-2017, 09:26 AM
Yeah I figured that 1k wouldn't be enough but where should I start then I've been looking at new pistons, and camshaft but other then that I didn't know where to start.


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devonsmith96
04-05-2017, 09:29 AM
The owner before me lowered the car on Raceland Coilovers so that why the fmic is close to the ground I hate it honestly. When my car had to be towed it scraped being unloaded


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Rodgman15
04-05-2017, 09:50 AM
Yeah I figured that 1k wouldn't be enough but where should I start then I've been looking at new pistons, and camshaft but other then that I didn't know where to start.


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If you're going for power, start with rods, those are the weakest point.

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devonsmith96
04-05-2017, 09:51 AM
Hm suggestion on good companies


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Davdraco1
04-05-2017, 09:52 AM
You don't need pistons. They are good for way more then your goals. Cams start becoming useful over 450bhp. Anything less and your wasting money.

Rodgman15
04-05-2017, 10:16 AM
I run Eagle rods in my engine, Integrated Engineering, SCAT, just to name a few. Hell I know guys running eBay rods that are doing just fine (so far).

I can tell you're way ahead of yourself, you need to spend some time on these forums learning the ins and outs of these engines. There's tons of info you obviously haven't picked up yet. Not trying to be a dick, just trying to avoid another "evo/sti killer for $1k" thread.

devonsmith96
04-05-2017, 10:21 AM
Yeah I understand man, it's my first Audi and it been giving me a headache but I honestly love the b5 series


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Rodgman15
04-05-2017, 10:38 AM
Yeah I understand man, it's my first Audi and it been giving me a headache but I honestly love the b5 series


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Believe you me, you're not the first to have headaches, and you certainly won't be the last! It's a love/hate relationship!

Believer
04-05-2017, 11:35 AM
Integrated Engineering manufacturers rods for the AWM engine and are quite reputable. Edit: Some other brands were mentioned, like Scat and Eagle. There is nothing wrong with these rod brands, but be aware of what wrist pin size the rod is made for. You will find rods for 19mm wrist pins and rods for 20mm wrist pins. 20mm rods, like Scat and Eagle, will require AEB/ATW pistons.

Unfortunately to make the leap to your power goals, it is difficult to 'piece' it together in stages and continue driving the car. There are things you can do along the way such as rods, but there are many things that you can't just swap in without the software to support them, such as a larger turbo, injectors. Depending on what turbo and manifold you go to will depend on how your exhaust is set up after the turbo, since most options that support your power goals will not use factory fit; with the exception being Eliminator setups.

My opinion is that you should get a tune for your K04. Then, you can start acquiring parts for your jump to bigger power over time and as you can afford it.

cole_sanders13
04-05-2017, 11:58 AM
APR's KO4 software will get you to 247hp (with TT injectors). With a test pipe you're looking at +/- 262hp. From what I understand, at stage 3 (300+hp) you'll need engine internals done.

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gtsingh91
04-05-2017, 12:12 PM
If you want to sell that K04 for a larger turbo, PM me.

thedanplasse
04-05-2017, 12:17 PM
Integrated engineering is having a tax sale on their rods. You wont need pistons.

Seerlah
04-05-2017, 01:31 PM
APR's KO4 software will get you to 247hp (with TT injectors). With a test pipe you're looking at +/- 262hp. From what I understand, at stage 3 (300+hp) you'll need engine internals done.

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You won't see those hp numbers on a k04 unless you run meth or a higher octane fuel. Factors like the age and condition of your engine comes into play, and I don't see them running a stock cat when wanting to advertise power potential. Those numbers were most likely made on a much fresher engine (years ago) and the ad says they used their APR exhaust. You guestimation is you can get roughly 230chp with that setup.

Best bang for the buck is the Frankenturbo.

Avant Nate
04-05-2017, 06:42 PM
You guys are crazy telling him he needs rods. His goal is sub 300. Frankenturbo or find a used 28r.

Davdraco1
04-05-2017, 07:20 PM
We mentioned rods for when he wants his Audi to be an "Evo/STI killer"

devonsmith96
04-06-2017, 06:33 AM
Well you guy have been really helpful and nice so here's my conclusion idk what you guys think but since my motor has 174,144 what I was thinking is buy an AEB motor block with low mileage and build that up slowly and when my motor finally gives out just swap it out for the built motor since it would be probably more costly for my old motor to be rebuilt but built to my standard from a shop that does it. Idk i feel like 174,144 miles is a lot for my aeb motor to rebuild. And two of my friend have s4 b5 which honestly I love but I wanted a different platform to tune the reason I went with my a4 and man my friends where they trying to convince to me to get an s4[emoji23] those thing are fast. Has anyone ever been in a modified s4


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Rodgman15
04-06-2017, 08:01 AM
Well you guy have been really helpful and nice so here's my conclusion idk what you guys think but since my motor has 174,144 what I was thinking is buy an AEB motor block with low mileage and build that up slowly and when my motor finally gives out just swap it out for the built motor since it would be probably more costly for my old motor to be rebuilt but built to my standard from a shop that does it. Idk i feel like 174,144 miles is a lot for my aeb motor to rebuild. And two of my friend have s4 b5 which honestly I love but I wanted a different platform to tune the reason I went with my a4 and man my friends where they trying to convince to me to get an s4[emoji23] those thing are fast. Has anyone ever been in a modified s4


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That's a good idea, exactly what I did. Picked up a block that had a bad hydraulic tensioner and 20 bent valves for $100. Then completely rebuilt everything.

I was shooting for 400 wheel when I started my build, so I slowly started collecting parts and piecing the spare block together on an engine stand. Then when the time came, I threw that nasty bitch in there and the rest is history. Worth the wait to do it right, and the results were nothing but satisfactory!

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devonsmith96
04-06-2017, 09:04 AM
Yeah I gonna do that this is what I was looking at on eBay.

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Turbo_B5
04-06-2017, 10:01 AM
lol fuck that. grab a long block from pnp for less.

devonsmith96
04-06-2017, 10:07 AM
What's the difference between long block jw


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thedanplasse
04-06-2017, 10:09 AM
Comes with everything....complete engine.

devonsmith96
04-06-2017, 10:20 AM
But I'm gonna do what rodgman15 said build a motor to my specifications and once my motor blows up swap in the beast. It gonna be a long process but it's gonna be fun at least and when it comes time to remove the motor I'll upgrade the motor mounts and upgrades the clutch at the same time


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Seerlah
04-06-2017, 11:33 AM
Do more research before picking up parts. For example, you can pick up 058 blocks with forged rods already in them from people who part their cars for $1,000-1,500. You can pick up completely running fully functional blocks for $500.

Pardon if I may be coming off rude, but I suggest you research before making choices and decisions. For example, if you want an STi/Evo killer you may have chosen the wrong vehicle to do it with. First off...they are Evos and STis. Very tuner and mod friendly vehicles, which the B5 A4 is not. To make the same power they make can cost upwards to 3xs (give or less, depending) as much as it would cost them, then the extra cost for reliability. Simple tune and exhaust, they are already 300whp. Just trying to give you fair warning before you jump into it. Just research more, then consider pros and cons (ie B5 styling, yet is still about to be two decades old) before you place your first step forward. You may decide to go in a different direction. You will notice that the majority of us who build our B5s do it for the enjoyment when behind the wheel (not many big turbo B5 A4s on the road).

thedanplasse
04-06-2017, 11:48 AM
Fall down the rabbit hole, the abyss known as b5 ownership. Fuck it, right?

devonsmith96
04-06-2017, 12:58 PM
Do more research before picking up parts. For example, you can pick up 058 blocks with forged rods already in them from people who part their cars for $1,000-1,500. You can pick up completely running fully functional blocks for $500.

Pardon if I may be coming off rude, but I suggest you research before making choices and decisions. For example, if you want an STi/Evo killer you may have chosen the wrong vehicle to do it with. First off...they are Evos and STis. Very tuner and mod friendly vehicles, which the B5 A4 is not. To make the same power they make can cost upwards to 3xs (give or less, depending) as much as it would cost them, then the extra cost for reliability. Simple tune and exhaust, they are already 300whp. Just trying to give you fair warning before you jump into it. Just research more, then consider pros and cons (ie B5 styling, yet is still about to be two decades old) before you place your first step forward. You may decide to go in a different direction. You will notice that the majority of us who build our B5s do it for the enjoyment when behind the wheel (not many big turbo B5 A4s on the road).

Your not coming off rude dude you all are giving me good points. I do attend Lincoln technical for automotive and I have a few friends with evo,Sti and s4 I wanted to be different from my friends. So I am going to weigh the pros and cons but ever since I bought my a4 I had a love/hate relationship with my car. So gonna be hard to go to a different platform although I do like the 2015 s3[emoji7]


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Avant Nate
04-06-2017, 01:16 PM
That ebay ad is misleading as that block does no belong in an 01. By the way, what year is your car? I would look for blocks on car-part.com

devonsmith96
04-06-2017, 01:33 PM
1999 a4


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devonsmith96
04-06-2017, 02:01 PM
That ebay ad is misleading as that block does no belong in an 01. By the way, what year is your car? I would look for blocks on car-part.com

It's a 1999


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Avant Nate
04-06-2017, 08:58 PM
There is a bunch of aeb's at salvage yards near you for $450

b6Hate4
04-07-2017, 04:46 AM
Fall down the rabbit hole, the abyss known as b5 ownership. Fuck it, right?

Quoted for truth lol

Rodgman15
04-07-2017, 05:42 AM
It's a 1999


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I have a bare block, and a bare head collecting dust on my shelving right now. Both were taken off of my running engine when I put my new one in, all AEB stuff. If you're interested i'll let em both go for cheap, shipping will be spendy though!

devonsmith96
04-09-2017, 11:06 AM
I have a bare block, and a bare head collecting dust on my shelving right now. Both were taken off of my running engine when I put my new one in, all AEB stuff. If you're interested i'll let em both go for cheap, shipping will be spendy though!

Pm'd


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