1000 awhp c5 engine $wap - madness in a cup

[Eurylo]

I want to put an engine in my C5 that will make it 1000+ AWHP.

I know I could bag it and "buy another car."
I know it's a "waste of money."
I know that there's "no way and screw me."

But....... Whatever, I'm going to do it.

I have 3 shops I'm in talks with:
1 shop is an Indy Audi "Rebuild" Shop
1 shop is an Indy Audi "Build" Shoppe
and.... 1 shop is a Muscle Car Shop that knows NOTHING of Audi's.

I know NOTHING and have been recommended the following engines:

RS6 V10 TT +
TTRS +
RS7 +
AAN 5 cyl. +
2.7T +
etc.

Out of all of the options thus far, I want:

LSX 454R +
LS9 +
LSA +
LS3 +
LS1 +
etc.

Now, before I go off the deep end- are there any more ideas you have that would suit my wants?
I have the next 3 months to figure out what I'm going to do, any input would be much appreciated.

[o_o]

[sonic32]

Your easiest proven option is vrt swap, built vr will do that no problem


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[Eurylo]

Your easiest proven option is vrt swap, built vr will do that no problem

Yeah, heard that one too I'm surprised I didn't list that as a recommendation I've received.

I suppose the real problem is finding a place that will put that/ any engine in my car that will actually make my car 1000+ AWHP

I also should have mentioned that I want to keep AWD/ AC/ PS/ Cluster etc.
and... those numbers on pump gas LOL, shoulda thought it out more before I posted.

I realize that these are tall requests [edit: From an Audi Engine??] , I just figured money could solve it at a certain level [o_o]

[rollerton]

What's the goal of this project? Is it just bragging rights...or a salt flats run...? You're really looking at $100k + to make that real and it'll likely be disappointing- mean the car would just bend itself in half.
There have been a few huge Audi HP projects over the years and mostly done by people who were fairly DIY (like the Ls1 that burned down!), but you're talking about just dropping the car off somewhere and asking for 1k hp? There's a reason that production cars with anything near that kind of power are more than $500k.
Have you considered going for something more realistic, like 650-750 hp? That's something that been done and honestly what do you get for that extra 300hp? 1/2 second less to 60mph? Because if you try to do more than 165mph in a C5 you'll die. I can't imagine what the drivetrain is doing under the car at that speed if everything wobbles so bad at about 65.!! Lol
Not trying to discourage you but...it just doesn't sound realistic? I mean, that is Formula 1 power and that's with a team of mechanics and literally infinite budget. There are a few You Tube video of some crazy 'Scando' guys who have built pretty insane Audis' . I have no idea how they do it, but supposedly a couple of the S4/ Rs2 cars over there make about 1k hp. Watching the videos it's almost believable!
Yeah. I don't know -- 5 Cyl Turbo ?
This is what you end up with @ 1k hp, I might be fun to drive...once! [:p]:
http://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/2012-video-1-000-plus-horsepower-audi-s3-terrorizes-a-norwegian-track-ar137575.html


That Jens Eklund guy has built a couple cars...google that guy.

[AaronNY]

Right now the world's fastest sedan is a urs4 with an AAN with 1100 awhp

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[Eurylo]

What's the goal of this project? Is it just bragging rights...or a salt flats run...? You're really looking at $100k + to make that real and it'll likely be disappointing- mean the car would just bend itself in half.
There have been a few huge Audi HP projects over the years and mostly done by people who were fairly DIY (like the Ls1 that burned down!), but you're talking about just dropping the car off somewhere and asking for 1k hp? There's a reason that production cars with anything near that kind of power are more than $500k.
Have you considered going for something more realistic, like 650-750 hp? That's something that been done and honestly what do you get for that extra 300hp? 1/2 second less to 60mph? Because if you try to do more than 165mph in a C5 you'll die. I can't imagine what the drivetrain is doing under the car at that speed if everything wobbles so bad at about 65.!! Lol
Not trying to discourage you but...it just doesn't sound realistic? I mean, that is Formula 1 power and that's with a team of mechanics and literally infinite budget. There are a few You Tube video of some crazy 'Scando' guys who have built pretty insane Audis' . I have no idea how they do it, but supposedly a couple of the S4/ Rs2 cars over there make about 1k hp. Watching the videos it's almost believable!
Yeah. I don't know -- 5 Cyl Turbo ?
This is what you end up with @ 1k hp, I might be fun to drive...once! [:p]:
http://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/2012-video-1-000-plus-horsepower-audi-s3-terrorizes-a-norwegian-track-ar137575.html


That Jens Eklund guy has built a couple cars...google that guy.

The goal is to eat an RS6 on pump gas, because long story. I realize it will be expensive, but that's why I keep looking at LS options.

I think the car could handle it, that LS swap guy is planning on getting Judas over 1,000 AWHP and 1,000 LBTQ. Which BTW didn't quite burn down hence its current existence.

Yeah, here's the keys, 50% down, see you with the balance in 6 Months +/-! People I've been talking to so far are fzcking baffled and full of doubt, my mechanic is like "fzck that."
So, I've been seeking options- a lot of flack though and that too has been pushing me to the LS side more and more- those guys are like "Yep, I can do it bring the $."
Yeah, I was originally gonna put a built 2.7 in- but priorities have changed and the 2.7 is for sale now. I think the RS6 + top speed is 189.5 haha, you wobbling at 65? LOL
I didn't think it sounded realistic either, but I'm not even the one who got me here LOL- all these damn enthusiasts/ mechanics planted the idea in the first place!
It's all good, I already had almost everyone discourage me- I'm feeling proof! There's a lot of people going for that kinda of power, I'm not even really shopping the highest HP available engine wise.
Yeah, I've seen all the 9 second Audi's and a ton of other cars pushing wild numbers- it's all overwhelming and I got a real job yo! That's why i've been trying to get help/ pointers.
Thanks for the info, I'll check that guy out and I'll update this thread when my car is 1000+ AWHP LOL

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Right now the world's fastest sedan is a urs4 with an AAN with 1100 awhp

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So i'm being remotely realistic! Yeah seen that one

[4rings2turbos]

Better change your location.

With all the OEM+ you've put in your car personally I'll be sad to see it no longer be daily drivable if you do get 1k hp to the wheels.

Big picture thought: would you actually be happier spending less money and having a more usable car but still being scary fast and able to walk exotics? If even remotely possible then try to get some seat time in a BAT VR or 2.7T. Not as unique comparative to 1,000hp, but so very very affordable and usable.

[spacecadet]

2jz

[Eurylo]

Better change your location.

With all the OEM+ you've put in your car personally I'll be sad to see it no longer be daily drivable if you do get 1k hp to the wheels.

Big picture thought: would you actually be happier spending less money and having a more usable car but still being scary fast and able to walk exotics? If even remotely possible then try to get some seat time in a BAT VR or 2.7T. Not as unique comparative to 1,000hp, but so very very affordable and usable.

Why change the location?

That's part of the problem, I'm out of shzt to do to my car-
I've been snagging light bezels and cubbies from RS6 4G's, Alcantara headrests from euro A3's and thinking armrest mods and shzt LOL.
It's getting kinda sad ova here yo, I need the next thing= 1KAWHP Daily Drivable bwaahahahahahah.
Most people encourage I abandon the car/ idea, but that isn't happening- I'm currently shopping for another car (Mint B5) to give mine enough time to get this done.

Big picture thought response: At first I would have, but after all the shzt I've heard lately- I wanna walk some very particular C5's,,, basically all C5's unless it's Judas- he can have it.
I think the VR could get it, but not on pump gas?? I don't know, after all I'm not a mechanic!!! Basically, with what's been spent on the car I might as well spend at least that on the engine swap- that's been my latest logic- and I probably should have done that first things first and saved all the other 4B Alcantara, Cubby, Perforated, Aluminum, Aspherical, Widebody funk for laterrrrrr!

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2jz

Word, that IS a good option for sure I've also been considering. Thanks for the input!

[brokenwrench]

If you're determined to keep it on pump gas, would E85 still be doable? The reason I ask is 'cause you're talking about pushing the knock limit of even premium gas with that much power. E85 has a higher knock resistance than E10/E0, making it better suited to high-power applications. The way to keep it on pump gas is to think displacement. The larger the displacement, the lower the cylinder pressures for a given power output, and lower internal stresses helping the engine last longer.

The V12's are always an option for big power, plus almost all of both the BMW and Merc's came with optional AWD. The biggest engine VW/Audi made was the W12, but finding one would be a tough road, even if COMPLETELY worth it, IMO. My neighbor has a '09 Camaro with a highly modded and supercharged LT4 (6.4L), which he claims gets 1100chp when it's sucking down a 100-shot of nitrous. I've seen several Lambo engines on Ebay, not cheap but another option since the newer units are basically up-rated Audi engines.

And I'm about to shoe-horn an L92 (6.2L) from a '07 Escalade into my '03 Rover Disco II. The shop tells me it's good for 1000+hp fully built, and roughly 400hp stock, but I'm only going that route 'cause he already has it in the back with all the wiring etc., making it cheaper than sourcing a complete aluminum 5.3L.

Anyways, your project is very doable, but just make sure you ta<script id="gpt-impl-0.7196665733779662" src="https://securepubads.g.doubleclick.net/gpt/pubads_impl_107.js"></script>ke the time to really consider how you want to drive it when it's done. The 1000hp 2.7t projects are most likely track only and have to be rebuilt every few dozen hours of running. If I was to undertake that sort of project and still plan on keeping it a daily driver, I would look at a large displacement turbo engine, that way I could put a boost controller in the cabin and turn the engine's power up/down at the push of a button or turn of a knob. The shop I'm using for my L92 swap has built several 1000+hp cars, so I'm not worried about my little 400hp project.

EDIT: I just remembered seeing a Nissan R35 with, reportedly, 2500hp. Dunno what exactly it would take to build your own, but the core engine should be available at most any Nissan dealer....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXc88yiCejs

[Eurylo]

If you're determined to keep it on pump gas, would E85 still be doable? The reason I ask is 'cause you're talking about pushing the knock limit of even premium gas with that much power. E85 has a higher knock resistance than E10/E0, making it better suited to high-power applications. The way to keep it on pump gas is to think displacement. The larger the displacement, the lower the cylinder pressures for a given power output, and lower internal stresses helping the engine last longer.

The V12's are always an option for big power, plus almost all of both the BMW and Merc's came with optional AWD. The biggest engine VW/Audi made was the W12, but finding one would be a tough road, even if COMPLETELY worth it, IMO. My neighbor has a '09 Camaro with a highly modded and supercharged LT4 (6.4L), which he claims gets 1100chp when it's sucking down a 100-shot of nitrous. I've seen several Lambo engines on Ebay, not cheap but another option since the newer units are basically up-rated Audi engines.

And I'm about to shoe-horn an L92 (6.2L) from a '07 Escalade into my '03 Rover Disco II. The shop tells me it's good for 1000+hp fully built, and roughly 400hp stock, but I'm only going that route 'cause he already has it in the back with all the wiring etc., making it cheaper than sourcing a complete aluminum 5.3L.

Anyways, your project is very doable, but just make sure you ta<script id="gpt-impl-0.7196665733779662" src="https://securepubads.g.doubleclick.net/gpt/pubads_impl_107.js"></script>ke the time to really consider how you want to drive it when it's done. The 1000hp 2.7t projects are most likely track only and have to be rebuilt every few dozen hours of running. If I was to undertake that sort of project and still plan on keeping it a daily driver, I would look at a large displacement turbo engine, that way I could put a boost controller in the cabin and turn the engine's power up/down at the push of a button or turn of a knob. The shop I'm using for my L92 swap has built several 1000+hp cars, so I'm not worried about my little 400hp project.

EDIT: I just remembered seeing a Nissan R35 with, reportedly, 2500hp. Dunno what exactly it would take to build your own, but the core engine should be available at most any Nissan dealer....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXc88yiCejs

Unfortunately E85 is out, not accessible in enough states. The pump gas/ power has me leaning towards the LS Engines.

I think if I can be sold on an engine, I will be able to find it one way or another- even if it's new from the dealer.
I'm basically thinking about spending $20-30K+ on an engine, which opens up a lot of options- still thinking LS though for the power and cost [o_o]

The L92 should be pretty cool in your Rover, and yeah could be built to achieve that kind of power- for a fraction of the cost of an Audi engine pushing those kinds of #'s!

Thanks for saying it's possible!! Not many people will say as much! When it's done I do want it to be very drivable which has me yet again thinking LS options :-P
Yeah, there's a ton of options really if I'm window shopping- just very hard to find a shop to help me actually do it in real life.
For now though, I am thinking LS9, LSA or LS3 until I can be convinced of otherwise.
Are you native to Colorado? I'm an alien LOL, any recommendations? I'm about to leave the state to get the work done!

Those R35's look interesting too, relatively easy to get a hold of and build able- worth considering....... thanks for the input!

[brokenwrench]

I'm not a CO native, but I've lived in NoCo for the last 17 years. I plan on keeping the Rover L92 stock, I'm not looking to swap out the axles just for a laugh. I have a C5 in my garage if I want to get drunk with power.

I agree, the LS is probably your best option for overall ease and function. I can give you the info for my shop here in town, just so you have as much info as possible; he's a sharp cookie and knows the LS better than anyone I've ever met. He's also as crazy and anxious for a project as I am. A few weeks ago I stopped by right when he was lowering an LS9 into the front end of a 2005-ish BMW Z3. My wife says he's a bad influence on me.....

But if it were me, I'd also be interested in trying something not quite so......typical (??). A quick trip to SoCal and you can pick yourself up a shiny Bentley W12. Would be SMOOOOOTH AF I guarantee it, and you'd even be able to hear yourself laugh as you leave everyone else in the dust:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/05-BENTLEY-CONTINENTAL-GT-6-0L-W12-ENGINE-MOTOR-LONG-BLOCK-ASSY-CODE-BEB-/262582495005?hash=item3d2322e71d:g:yOIAAOSwHMJYNOS k&vxp=mtr



Cheers, mate!

[rollerton]

But if it were me, I'd also be interested in trying something not quite so......typical (??). A quick trip to SoCal and you can pick yourself up a shiny Bentley W12. Would be SMOOOOOTH AF I guarantee it, and you'd even be able to hear yourself laugh as you leave everyone else in the dust:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/05-BENTLEY-CONTINENTAL-GT-6-0L-W12-ENGINE-MOTOR-LONG-BLOCK-ASSY-CODE-BEB-/262582495005?hash=item3d2322e71d:g:yOIAAOSwHMJYNOS k&vxp=mtr
Cheers, mate!

THAT^ would be epic and still a driveable car. But how to you get another 400 hp out of it!?


Max power
590 PS / 582 bhp / 434 kw @ 6000 rpm
Max torque
720 Nm / 531 lb.ft @ 1800 rpm
Engine capacity
5998 cc

[brokenwrench]

Mansory made a 1000hp Bentley GT, the link to some info is below. It looks like they upgraded the pistons/rods, cams, exhaust and air intake.

http://www.supercar-network.com/mansorys-new-bentley-continental-gtc-is-a-1000hp-monster/

Based on my highly subjective experience, MOST forced induction engines are capable of at least 2x stock rated power just by increasing the turbo/supercharger and/or exhaust systems. Take the 2.7 for example, stock 250-ish and up to 550-ish before swapping internals. I realize that's due largely in part to the cast iron block, but if you look at the power-per-displacement numbers, a fully modded 2.7 can push 850-1000 at the crank (usually with a 3.0 stroke, I know). And based on a modest 200hp-per-liter figure I've seen several times on VR6's, 2.7's, etc, you're looking at roughly 1200hp on a 6.0L W12. But if you look at the 2500hp being pushed through the R35's 3.8L crank (again, probably with some heavy displacement upgrades), that's roughly 660hp/liter, and comes out to almost 4000hp on the W12!! I know these are just numbers, and the "proof is in the pudding" so to speak. One would still have to find a transmission to mate up to any 1000+hp engine, since even the mighty 01E would struggle with that (C5 mid-engine conversion, anyone?).

A little research can source some appropriate turbos, some insight into who can build the custom forged internals, most likely a significant amount of head porting and polishing, along with a possible (slight) increase in bore/displacement. New exhaust, possible custom intake manifold, new fuel delivery system and voila - all the grunt anyone would EVER need.

[Eurylo]

I'm not a CO native, but I've lived in NoCo for the last 17 years. I plan on keeping the Rover L92 stock, I'm not looking to swap out the axles just for a laugh. I have a C5 in my garage if I want to get drunk with power.

I agree, the LS is probably your best option for overall ease and function. I can give you the info for my shop here in town, just so you have as much info as possible; he's a sharp cookie and knows the LS better than anyone I've ever met. He's also as crazy and anxious for a project as I am. A few weeks ago I stopped by right when he was lowering an LS9 into the front end of a 2005-ish BMW Z3. My wife says he's a bad influence on me.....

But if it were me, I'd also be interested in trying something not quite so......typical (??). A quick trip to SoCal and you can pick yourself up a shiny Bentley W12. Would be SMOOOOOTH AF I guarantee it, and you'd even be able to hear yourself laugh as you leave everyone else in the dust:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/05-BENTLEY-CONTINENTAL-GT-6-0L-W12-ENGINE-MOTOR-LONG-BLOCK-ASSY-CODE-BEB-/262582495005?hash=item3d2322e71d:g:yOIAAOSwHMJYNOS k&vxp=mtr



Cheers, mate!

Yeah, that'd be great- can you PM me the shops info? Thanks! Still super sold on the LS9 or LSA, but a W12 would be pretty slick just harder to build up.

Thanks dude!



One would still have to find a transmission to mate up to any 1000+hp engine, since even the mighty 01E would struggle with that (C5 mid-engine conversion, anyone?).


There's a company that makes a spacer for the LS Engine to mate to the 01E, I have to dig up their info though- it costs about $1K.
I guess the TDI 01E is viewed as a desirable trans for that engine- That Project Judas has the Cryo TDI 01E bolted up to the LS1.

I'm not sure yet if I'm going to buy a crate engine or a whole car yet- it'd be kinda funny to chop a CTS-V or a ZR1 up for parts for the C5 madness in a cup [o_o]

[Eurylo]

Scratch the LSX454R, didn't realize it requires 110 octane minimum- but the LSX454 is still an option on pump gas.

Sorry, I realize this is a german car forum- not trying to tell you shzt you don't wanna know ova here!

[Eurylo]

Ahhhh, BNC Products in Australia makes the LS adapter for the 01E FYI

[brokenwrench]

There's a company that makes a spacer for the LS Engine to mate to the 01E, I have to dig up their info though- it costs about $1K.
I guess the TDI 01E is viewed as a desirable trans for that engine- That Project Judas has the Cryo TDI 01E bolted up to the LS1.



I just cringe at the thought of being forced to use spur cut 1st & 2nd gears with the 01E, all that whine would ruin an otherwise awesome vehicle. Of course, the CTS V's transmission and awd system could be swapped over as well, if you were able to find a complete car.

[Eurylo]

Yeah, I've heard the 01E is quite "whiney" when bolted up to a lot of power.

Yeah, I'm shopping away even though I'm undecided [;)]

[brokenwrench]

FWIW, it looks like the W12 uses 2 ME7.1.1 ECU's (1 for each bank I'm guessing, which means the W12 engine is truly 2 Audi V6's married at the crank). I'd be willing to bet the rest of the wiring harness could simply splice into any C5 wiring you have you left... just saying *walks away casually, whistling*

[Eurylo]

FWIW, it looks like the W12 uses 2 ME7.1.1 ECU's (1 for each bank I'm guessing, which means the W12 engine is truly 2 Audi V6's married at the crank). I'd be willing to bet the rest of the wiring harness could simply splice into any C5 wiring you have you left... just saying *walks away casually, whistling*

But could I get the AWHP I'm after out of a W12??? [o_o]

[brokenwrench]

But could I get the AWHP I'm after out of a W12??? [o_o]

In a word, "YES". In 3 words, "big damn turbos". Take a look at the 2nd video on the webpage below. Since the Touareg is in Russia, it's difficult to find information about it, but according to Google translate it produces 1800+chp and about 1500awhp.

I know in the end it's your project, but there's a good chance even if you don't go this route I will someday. The more I look into it the more I need to have this engine in my life.....


http://fancytuning.com/2011/08/total-race-tuned-volkswagen-touareg-w12/
http://totalrace.ru/?ql_services=vw-touareg-w12-1800-hp

[bpark1210]

Check out this thread I came across today http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/685329-I-ve-got-a-1500WHP-6-7L-LSX-that-needs-a-Quattro-home

Should PM that guy to see if he ever went through with his LS swap if not, buy it!

[BlackOnBlackA6]

So you threw out the 2.7? If this was still available...http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/370330-Vast-600-700-800-amp-1000hp-kit-s

[Eurylo]

In a word, "YES". In 3 words, "big damn turbos". Take a look at the 2nd video on the webpage below. Since the Touareg is in Russia, it's difficult to find information about it, but according to Google translate it produces 1800+chp and about 1500awhp.

I know in the end it's your project, but there's a good chance even if you don't go this route I will someday. The more I look into it the more I need to have this engine in my life.....


http://fancytuning.com/2011/08/total-race-tuned-volkswagen-touareg-w12/
http://totalrace.ru/?ql_services=vw-touareg-w12-1800-hp

YES is the only word I like!

Wow, that thing is ridiculous.

I have a meeting with your guy next week, gonna check out the LS options.

I also have a meeting with another shop in CO to check out some Audi options, I'm gonna bring up the W12.

Thanks again!

[Eurylo]

Check out this thread I came across today http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/685329-I-ve-got-a-1500WHP-6-7L-LSX-that-needs-a-Quattro-home

Should PM that guy to see if he ever went through with his LS swap if not, buy it!

Thanks dude! Yeah, I might hit him up- gonna weigh some costs next week [o_o]

[Eurylo]

So you threw out the 2.7? If this was still available...http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/370330-Vast-600-700-800-amp-1000hp-kit-s

Yessir, I have it sitting on a pallet right now- for sale! Full 01E swap too.

There's still a ton of options to get power out of the 2.7,,, just not enough to get 1K AWHP!