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Not quite the record, but I'm starting to understand a few things:
1) this car THRIVES on high barometric pressures for best times
2) this car LOVES low humidity for best times
3) this car likes lower ambient temps
I put these in order of importance IMHO, I've always noticed that the car reacts to humidity more so than temperature changes, this car loves dense dry air.
Conditions last night: 66F / Baro 30.16 / humidity 70% D/A 453ft (based on GPS altitude calculator)
Conditions on my best run: 71F / Baro 30.16 / humidity 38% D/A 668ft. (based on rough estimate using available online resources)
Set-up:
GIAC dual-pulley B8.5 file
GIAC fuel kit
GIAC TCU
JHM HFC
E85/93 mix (File is for 100-104 octane, so use this mix at your own risk)
034 Motorsports Intake Tube
aFe intake filter
Modded OEM airbox
Modded S/C Cooling (AWE reservoir, AWE pump, KillerChiller, no HX)
Michelin PSS
tire pressure 38/37psi (slightly over 1/2 tank)
no weight reduction
Details about the track conditions: Lines were very long, however I managed to get to lanes 3-4 (street tired cars are lane 1-4) which was shorter, but I didn't get to make my first pass until 45 minutes there. With cold tires, and a cold track surface without the sun hitting it, I wasn't expecting a great 60ft time as VHT needs heat to make its magic, but managed a "decent" 60ft time with some initial wheelspin (video below shows this when the camera vibrates at launch). Normally with a hotter track surface, I get very little wheelspin (like the last time out where I landed 1.58x 60fts), but I have a few events in January that happens to be in the morning hours starting at 10 a.m. that should allow for a warmer track surface with high baro, low humidity, low temps that "FL-winters" brings...so more to come for sure.
A few things about the video, you will see slightly strange 2-3 upshift behavior, and also more prominently 3-4 upshift behaviors; the tranny does a "two-step" upshift. I'm not pointing fingers on anything yet (I actually know what the issue is, I need to ensure full adaptation the next time I'm at the track).
Okay, enough of the excuses.....
breakdown of the time:
60' 1.611
330' 4.660
1/8 7.205
MPH 97.10
1000' 9.393
1/4 11.241
MPH 122.21mph
Slowly but surely chipping away at my times, and i'll upload the timeslip this weekend when I get it entered in the 1/4 mile database. My logs looked very good with no bypass worth mentioning (.08% here and there, nothing major), I had basically ZERO corrections throughout cylinders 1,3,6 on the entire run (I logged 1,3,4,6). Cyl 4 was holding on very good until the middle of third gear where it decided to pull up to -4* of corrections ( so any value .75 to 4) throughout the rest of the run, which along with that slightly weird up-shift behavior I feel slightly hampered the back half of the run . I'll check cyl #4 this weekend, the plug could just need to be re-gapped or perhaps gapped lower than the other cylinders. I may just go out next time with a race/E85 mix (perhaps a 30% mix) to avoid cylinder corrections...
video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Abk6T-70l3o
Wow, you are getting really close. I wonder what you would do *if* you gave in and threw straight 104 octane in there? At any rate, great showing, you are right on the heels of Ron and the APR car with that trap.
bhvrdr
12-09-2016, 05:51 AM
Great job Loe! Very consistent so far. Logs look great too. Down a little south of you we tend to get a few weeks worth of record setting days in JAN - FEB. I'm sure you'll get one soon too. It'll happen. Keep it up man.
Mike
613B6
12-09-2016, 06:05 AM
Nice pass Loe!!
13ttaz
12-09-2016, 06:13 AM
it's Primetime (APR) by a nose . . . no wait . . . it's now Loe (GIAC) by a nose . . . .
Good stuff. Your (and PT's) efforts serve and benefit our platform greatly. Keep it up.
Q5OnTheMove
12-09-2016, 06:23 AM
Congrats Loe!
In regards to the GIAC LPFP, whats the highest ethanol percentage your run with it so far without throwing codes?
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bmoreS4
12-09-2016, 06:31 AM
Good stuff!
Congrats Loe!
In regards to the GIAC LPFP, whats the highest ethanol percentage your run with it so far without throwing codes?
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E45, but the car feels "off" prior to the pump triggering, so I've backed it down to about 37%.
On a side note...(I forgot to mention above), I also replaced my broken cats with HFC ones, no difference so far in traps FWIW over OEM cats if they are in good shape.
Q5OnTheMove
12-09-2016, 07:30 AM
E45, but the car feels "off" prior to the pump triggering, so I've backed it down to about 37%.
On a side note...(I forgot to mention above), I also replaced my broken cats with HFC ones, no difference so far in traps FWIW over OEM cats if they are in good shape.
Wow, impressive!
Do you think the "off" feeling has to do with ethanol separation in the tank?
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Lensch09
12-09-2016, 09:08 AM
So in summary, if you gutted your car and ran slicks you would beat the Eurocode/APR/Magnuson car at a fraction of the cost?
Nice.
-DL
Great job Loe! Very consistent so far. Logs look great too. Down a little south of you we tend to get a few weeks worth of record setting days in JAN - FEB. I'm sure you'll get one soon too. It'll happen. Keep it up man.
Mike
Yep yep, Jan-Feb (and maybe a few good days here and there in March - April that land on Test-n-Tune days) are normally the record breaking months. The timing this thing hits @ the RPM's is incredible throughout the run.
Notice in the video the two-foot method in action? The car rises up & moves forward, then the clutches engage and the car leaps forward (only this time with a rolling wheelspin because I launched it too high, I can normally hit the swing around 3,200-3,500rpm, this one looked closer to 3,800rpm).
importraceram
12-09-2016, 11:30 AM
Nice run. Why 1/2 tank though? I know you're a "run as is" type guy but.
Also that SL was moving out too [hail]. Was it a 55? Or the biturbo V12 flavor, 600 or 65?
Nice run. Why 1/2 tank though? I know you're a "run as is" type guy but.
Also that SL was moving out too [hail]. Was it a 55? Or the biturbo V12 flavor, 600 or 65?
I couldn't do much to burn off the tank. I had initially planned on doing a few more WOT runs prior to arriving to the track, but traffic was bad so I didn't have much of a choice but to run it as is. It's an SL600 V12 Bi-turbo, I ran with him a few times and we spoke about our set-ups. He's just a tune + filter + DR's and ran 11.5-11.6 @120-121mph all night. Nice guy, very passionate about other peoples set-ups. He actually was slightly ahead of me (he out-tree'd me) the majority of the run while I slowly reeling him in by the end of the run, definitely a surprise for him as he's never seen a s4/s5 run that quick before [:D]
Great time Loe. Do you expect any improvement if you run 104 octane? Do you plan on testing dual pulley 93 file? Thanks.
neverfastenough
12-09-2016, 12:17 PM
First up Congrats Loe.
Great time Loe. Do you expect any improvement if you run 104 octane? Do you plan on testing dual pulley 93 file? Thanks.
On the pulls he seen some timing pull yes potentially. But if's generally not seeing any timing pulled out then there's no real benefit to be had over what he's running.
Peak timing dropped 3* compared to 1st and 2nd gear. It "leveled" out around 6,500rpm, but never dropped, just maintained 27* to the upshift point. Similar in 4th gear where timing would level out post-shift around 22*, but eventually started to climb at 6,500rpm as corrections went down to .075*, but that's at the end of the run anyways.
Hard to say how much more of traps I would have gained, but my back-half is 25.xx mph, which is insanely low for a race file where Sam (616B6) with full timing gained 26-27mph in the back-half with his GIAC race file.
I've never had as clean of logs on straight 104 octane to be honest, which is why I suggested me mixing 104 + E85 (around a 30%). Ron (primetime) has seen great results with it though, but he uses Sonoco 260GT +, where as I used VP MS109.
bhvrdr
12-09-2016, 12:36 PM
Alot of people who have raced Audis have complained about MS109 dating back to the B6 A4 days. Not thats it terrible just that they were able to get more timing out of alternatives.
Mike
Alot of people who have raced Audis have complained about MS109 dating back to the B6 A4 days. Not thats it terrible just that they were able to get more timing out of alternatives.
Mike
I'll try to source Sunoco GT260+ for my next event for sure. If I can gain 26-27mph in the back half, and combine that with my 97.xx front half, it would make for a 123-124mph trap lol (probably wishful thinking, but I have ran a few 97.xx mph 1/8 mile traps).
Hard to say how much more of traps I would have gained, but my back-half is 25.xx mph, which is insanely low for a race file where Sam (616B6) with full timing gained 26-27mph in the back-half with his GIAC race file.
Something is up because you pretty much crushed Ron's 1/8th mile mph...2mph at the 1/8 mile is nothing to sneeze at. I wonder if the GIAC file is more aggressive the first couple gears?
His
1.5803 60ft
4.6903 330ft
7.2330 1/8th
95.01 1/8 mph
9.4152 1000ft
11.2509 1/4 et
123.48 ¼ MPH
Versus..
Yours
60' 1.611
330' 4.660
1/8 7.205
MPH 97.10
1000' 9.393
1/4 11.241
MPH 122.21mph
k6750gsxr
12-09-2016, 12:59 PM
I'll try to source Sunoco GT260+ for my next event for sure. If I can gain 26-27mph in the back half, and combine that with my 97.xx front half, it would make for a 123-124mph trap lol (probably wishful thinking, but I have ran a few 97.xx mph 1/8 mile traps).
Im pretty sure MURRAY’S SPEED AND CUSTOM carries Sunoco. 2402 Manatee Avenue East Bradenton, FL 34208 Phone:941-744-0077
Q5OnTheMove
12-09-2016, 01:15 PM
Im pretty sure MURRAY’S SPEED AND CUSTOM carries Sunoco. 2402 Manatee Avenue East Bradenton, FL 34208 Phone:941-744-0077
Yup they have it in stock. ~$70 for a 5 gallon Metal drum.
Something is up because you pretty much crushed Ron's 1/8th mile mph...2mph at the 1/8 mile is nothing to sneeze at. I wonder if the GIAC file is more aggressive the first couple gears?
When I compare mine to Sam's (616B6) and his run on GIAC race with a similar 122mph trap, his 1/8mph trap is 93.79mph, trapped 122.00 in the 1/4mile, leaving a delta of 28.21mph, so I don't think GIAC made it more aggressive in the first couple gears. If I roll into it in 3rd to 4th gears, I do get full timing similar to 1st and 2nd gears. I'll have to try the Sunoco 260GT plus w/ E85 next time out or the next private track event near the end of January.
Another thing I do wonder about is if I'm truly at the limits of the stock airbox too...
I do have hope for higher traps, at any rate if the track surface is warm enough, I should be able to land sub 1.60 60ft's like I have been doing. Time will tell for sure [up]
Acejam
12-09-2016, 03:07 PM
Awesome times!
Two things:
1. Isn't the S5 known to be slightly heavier than the S4?
2. Why does GIAC/your tuner not recommend E85 on the race map? I'm curious for the reasons behind this as I thought mixing E85/93 to reach higher octane levels was pretty much well accepted amongst tuners.
I'll try to source Sunoco GT260+ for my next event for sure.
Maybe we should get some for our January ASOT event. I can bring part of my stockpile of MS109. We will have more than enough time for me to drain my tank and refill.
It would be interesting to compare the two fuels. We can say we are doing science stuff.
Something is up because you pretty much crushed Ron's 1/8th mile mph...2mph at the 1/8 mile is nothing to sneeze at. I wonder if the GIAC file is more aggressive the first couple gears?
His
1.5803 60ft
4.6903 330ft
7.2330 1/8th
95.01 1/8 mph
9.4152 1000ft
11.2509 1/4 et
123.48 ¼ MPH
Versus..
Yours
60' 1.611
330' 4.660
1/8 7.205
MPH 97.10
1000' 9.393
1/4 11.241
MPH 122.21mph
Ron brought up a great point on AR...
the B8 gears are shorter than the B8.5, so it has to upshift before the 1/8mile marker into 4th (which IIRC on the B8 is like 90-91mph). You will notice in my video compared to his, mine will upshift after the 1/8 mile line. But after the 1/8 mile marker, the B8's gearing is near the 4-5 upshift point at the finish line @ 124mph @ 7,500rpm , which will also skew the delta, whereas I'm near 6,684 rpm at 125 mph with more revs to go; I use 125mph as a reference point because both of us have our speed limiter beeps at 125mph and we hit that inside the final 60ft of the finish mark (dragstrips will average your final 60ft of MPH to calculate the trap)
I went ahead and used C&D for a gearing analysis on the B8.5 (I could not find one for a B8 though, as most tests were for a 6spd model)
http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/2015-audi-s5-vs-cadillac-ats-coupe-36-lexus-rc350-f-sport-final-scoring-performance-data-and-complete-specs-page-5
On the B8.5 7DSG
1st gear 5.2 mph / 1,000 rpm
2nd gear 8.9 mph / 1,000 rpm
3rd gear 13.6 mph / 1,000 rpm
4th gear 18.7 mph / 1,000 rpm
^^ the above is based on C&D using a standard 18" 245/40/18 tires though, with an O/D of 25.21". I have 19" wheels on 255/35/19 with an O/D of 26.03", using this calculator, and shows a difference of 1.195%: http://www.e90post.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=12
My up-shift points are 7,000 rpm unfortunately according to VCDS (but it may magically go near 7,100rpm on some VCDS logs, like when I trapped above 97 mph on the run in question), so my shift points are as follows using 7,100rpm:
1st gear (5.2*7.1) = 36.92*1.01195 = 37.36 mph
2nd gear (8.9*7.1) = 63.19*1.01195 = 63.95 mph
3rd gear (13.6*7.1) = 96.56*1.01195 = 97.71 mph
4th gear (18.7*7.1) = 132.77*1.01195 = 134.36 mph
Which brings up another topic:
I maybe right near the limits of what I can trap in the 1/8 mile unless GIAC can make my 3rd gear upshift at 7,200rpm instead (99.09mph), my transmission has to also reliably upshift at 7,100rpm to hit that 1/8mile trap (in my logs on the run above, I hit about 6,800rpm on the 1-2 upshift, 6,900rpm on the 2-3 upshift, and 7,100rpm on the 3-4 upshift). Additionally, if this platform ever exceeds the 125mph trap threshold, the B8.5 may be more favorable as we can hold our 4th gear past 130mph...
Im pretty sure MURRAY’S SPEED AND CUSTOM carries Sunoco. 2402 Manatee Avenue East Bradenton, FL 34208 Phone:941-744-0077
I'll give them a call
Maybe we should get some for our January ASOT event. I can bring part of my stockpile of MS109. We will have more than enough time for me to drain my tank and refill.
It would be interesting to compare the two fuels. We can say we are doing science stuff.
Would be interesting for sure since we will have pretty much the heart of the morning through mid-afternoon with only 20 cars running, plenty of time for science stuff. But if I end up using it, mine will be with an ethanol blend.
Awesome times!
Two things:
1. Isn't the S5 known to be slightly heavier than the S4?
2. Why does GIAC/your tuner not recommend E85 on the race map? I'm curious for the reasons behind this as I thought mixing E85/93 to reach higher octane levels was pretty much well accepted amongst tuners.
Not sure on the weight difference. Since the S4 is out of production, I am having a hard time finding anything on the Audi website on the S4 weight.
I don't think any tuner recommends running a 93/E85 mix on their race files (especially with this much boost from a dual-pulley set-up). Some have recommended blending on e85 + 93 (or 91) on pump files to help with a few degrees of ignition correction (but with a 20-25% blend. With that being said, any e85/93 mixing on races files (particularly with ignition advance this high), I would recommend VCDS and understanding what fields to log and how to interpret them; it truly is a use at your own risk/end user will accept full responsibility of the risks involved.
jimrobbington
12-10-2016, 06:01 AM
Not sure on the weight difference. Since the S4 is out of production, I am having a hard time finding anything on the Audi website on the S4 weight.
I don't think any tuner recommends running a 93/E85 mix on their race files (especially with this much boost from a dual-pulley set-up). Some have recommended blending on e85 + 93 (or 91) on pump files to help with a few degrees of ignition correction (but with a 20-25% blend. With that being said, any e85/93 mixing on races files (particularly with ignition advance this high), I would recommend VCDS and understanding what fields to log and how to interpret them; it truly is a use at your own risk/end user will accept full responsibility of the risks involved.
I weighed my b8 S4 in at 3840 I believe on a certified truck scale. This was with no people, sub-box, full interior, child seat. Can't recall if gas tank was full though...
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Ron brought up a great point on AR...
the B8 gears are shorter than the B8.5, so it has to upshift before the 1/8mile marker into 4th (which IIRC on the B8 is like 90-91mph). You will notice in my video compared to his, mine will upshift after the 1/8 mile line. But after the 1/8 mile marker, the B8's gearing is near the 4-5 upshift point at the finish line @ 125mph, which will also skew the delta, whereas I'm near 6,684 rpm at 125 mph with more revs to go; I use 125mph as a reference point because both of us have our speed limiter beeps at 125mph and we hit that inside the final 60ft of the finish mark (dragstrips will average your final 60ft of MPH to calculate the trap)
I went ahead and used C&D for a gearing analysis on the B8.5 (I could not find one for a B8 though, as most tests were for a 6spd model)
http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/2015-audi-s5-vs-cadillac-ats-coupe-36-lexus-rc350-f-sport-final-scoring-performance-data-and-complete-specs-page-5
On the B8.5 7DSG
1st gear 5.2 mph / 1,000 rpm
2nd gear 8.9 mph / 1,000 rpm
3rd gear 13.6 mph / 1,000 rpm
4th gear 18.7 mph / 1,000 rpm
^^ the above is based on C&D using a standard 18" 245/40/18 tires though, with an O/D of 25.21". I have 19" wheels on 255/35/19 with an O/D of 26.03", using this calculator, and shows a difference of 1.195%: http://www.e90post.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=12
My up-shift points are 7,000 rpm unfortunately according to VCDS (but it may magically go near 7,100rpm on some VCDS logs, like when I trapped above 97 mph on the run in question), so my shift points are as follows using 7,100rpm:
1st gear (5.2*7.1) = 36.92*1.01195 = 37.36 mph
2nd gear (8.9*7.1) = 63.19*1.01195 = 63.95 mph
3rd gear (13.6*7.1) = 96.56*1.01195 = 97.71 mph
4th gear (18.7*7.1) = 132.77*1.01195 = 134.36 mph
Which brings up another topic:
I maybe right near the limits of what I can trap in the 1/8 mile unless GIAC can make my 3rd gear upshift at 7,200rpm instead (99.09mph), my transmission has to also reliably upshift at 7,100rpm to hit that 1/8mile trap (in my logs on the run above, I hit about 6,800rpm on the 1-2 upshift, 6,900rpm on the 2-3 upshift, and 7,100rpm on the 3-4 upshift). Additionally, if this platform ever exceeds the 125mph trap threshold, the B8.5 may be more favorable as we can hold our 4th gear past 130mph...
Makes total sense, I wasn't aware the gearing was different. Nice sleuthing!
And...
Thanks for taking the time to pull the data together. It does favor the B8.5 for drag racing it seems, to your point, you still have rpm to go at the end.
JD S4
12-10-2016, 07:01 PM
Loe. Get an intake. And some lightweight 18s. And an 1/8th tank of Sunoco 260.
And enjoy 10s
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I will definitely try to run with less gas next time. I will just have a bring a few 5 gallon tanks of a Sunoco 260GT plus/E85 mix so I can refill if needed at an upcoming private track rental event. I do realize that I can drop the rear pressures a little more as well (I run 38/37, but I understand that the rear's are supposed to be closer to 32psi and still be within the OEM spec). However, I am at about 4/32" on my PSS, so I'll more than likely obtain different tires the next time out.
Boris
12-11-2016, 09:02 AM
You're consistently trapping 122, that's amazing. Who knew our little beasties could get so far with just pulleys.
Just wait until APR releases their ultra charger..you'll be capable of 10's full weight . It utilizes the stock sc.
Btw, what is that on your screen during the run?
JD S4
12-11-2016, 09:09 AM
Intake
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waxxonMTL
12-11-2016, 11:30 AM
Loe. Get an intake. And some lightweight 18s. And an 1/8th tank of Sunoco 260.
And enjoy 10s
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direzza Z2 if new tires is needed. treadwear of 200. stickier than the PSS, but still offer good daily /wet commute. more than the other tires in the 200 category.
13jfp
01-02-2017, 11:58 AM
direzza Z2 if new tires is needed. treadwear of 200. stickier than the PSS, but still offer good daily /wet commute. more than the other tires in the 200 category.
Lightweight 18"s (some nice looking wheels out there) with a short Drag radial....10.9X for sure.
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13jfp
01-02-2017, 12:00 PM
Lightweight 18"s (some nice looking wheels out there) with a short Drag radial....10.9X for sure.
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Check out the Nitto options...great tires for street use too.
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Thanks guys for the tire recommendations. I'm looking right now to venture outside of the PSS tire, I'm a huge fan of them in all other aspects, but feel like acceleration grip is lacking (like I can lay some marks on a 2nd gear 30mph WOT run lacking...)
You're consistently trapping 122, that's amazing. Who knew our little beasties could get so far with just pulleys.
Just wait until APR releases their ultra charger..you'll be capable of 10's full weight . It utilizes the stock sc.
Btw, what is that on your screen during the run?
basic nav screen, and some somber music (Eleanor Rigby).
I'm hoping the APR items gets going for the spring 2017 season, there are many that I know locally who can't wait to run those 11.2x times as well.
MrFunk
01-03-2017, 06:05 AM
Just wait until APR releases their ultra charger..you'll be capable of 10's full weight . It utilizes the stock sc.
LOLOLOL!!
Lensch09
01-03-2017, 08:13 AM
Thanks guys for the tire recommendations. I'm looking right now to venture outside of the PSS tire, I'm a huge fan of them in all other aspects, but feel like acceleration grip is lacking (like I can lay some marks on a 2nd gear 30mph WOT run lacking...)
What are you running for suspension/alignment?
There's a lot of traction to be made playing around with toe and damper settings.
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13jfp
01-03-2017, 06:51 PM
So is the APR ultracharger for real ....or are u guys just bustin their ** lls?
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14S4GWM
01-03-2017, 06:59 PM
So is the APR ultracharger for real ....or are u guys just bustin their ** lls?
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Have you read this shit show of a thread?
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/713375-APR-Teaser-Adding-more-power-to-the-3-0-TFSI
13jfp
01-03-2017, 07:13 PM
Have you read this shit show of a thread?
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/713375-APR-Teaser-Adding-more-power-to-the-3-0-TFSI
Wow...based on that and the Magnuson fiasco I don't think I would give them any of my business...extremely pathetic.
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What are you running for suspension/alignment?
There's a lot of traction to be made playing around with toe and damper settings.
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Stock alignment specs and suspension.
So is the APR ultracharger for real ....or are u guys just bustin their ** lls?
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It and its performance is real, it's just taking longer than they anticipated to release the product. I'd like to see times out of them on B8.5 cars to see where I stack up (since gears are different between pre/post face lift cars). I barely edge Ron (their test car), and he's running in overall D/A's that are 1,000ft above mine, so he's likely to surpass my time this spring.
bhvrdr
01-04-2017, 03:45 AM
Stock alignment specs and suspension.
It and its performance is real, it's just taking longer than they anticipated to release the product. I'd like to see times out of them on B8.5 cars to see where I stack up (since gears are different between pre/post face lift cars). I barely edge Ron (their test car), and he's running in overall D/A's that are 1,000ft above mine, so he's likely to surpass my time this spring.
Do you know something we dont loe? Have there been any proven gains from it? Seriously curious. All it is is a tb and sc inlet with dual pulley right?
Mike
Do you know something we dont loe? Have there been any proven gains from it? Seriously curious. All it is is a tb and sc inlet with dual pulley right?
Mike
i'll send you a PM on it mid-morning when I get to a laptop (hate typing on this phone keyboard), but yes its an ecu, tb, s/c inlet, dp
bhvrdr
01-04-2017, 04:17 AM
i'll send you a PM on it mid-morning when I get to a laptop (hate typing on this phone keyboard), but yes its an ecu, tb, s/c inlet, dp
Gotcha. Thanks man. Yeah I'll be surprised if it actually does all that much. Traditionally TB and SCinlet upgrades are the end of the road last ditch effort folks with PD superchargers make to try and get that last few hp out of their setup after they have ported the SC and gone with the largest SC core, etc. On the honda, this is an example of what we'd do...
http://mercracing.net/products-page/supercharger-upgrades/ct-engineering-high-flow-modular-inlet/
http://www.innovativemotorsportstech.com/store/big-bore-cte-supercharger-inlet-14.html
In reality they were probably good for 15hp or so.
I actually had APR on my car from the previous owner and could have put their programming back on for $150 but I foresee in the future they will attempt to sell $400 worth of crank pulley with $300 worth of TB and $300 worth of inlet pipe for 2 grand and for the next year different people with different models of ECUs will be having soft codes and CEL for tb and fuel mixture related issues. Hoping for the best for them but I wont be surprised if you stay within .1 of a second of the folks with the TB upgrades in your 1/4 mile times.
Mike
Lensch09
01-04-2017, 07:40 AM
Loe, do you have dynamic ride control? If not and you're looking to ditch, I would bet a stronger damper in the rear and some more toe would hook you up quicker. You'd probably find at least a tenth.
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doug97gxe
01-04-2017, 07:49 AM
Loe, do you have dynamic ride control? If not and you're looking to ditch, I would bet a stronger damper in the rear and some more toe would hook you up quicker. You'd probably find at least a tenth.
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you mean ADS? i thought only European model cars had DRC
Lensch09
01-04-2017, 09:23 AM
you mean ADS? i thought only European model cars had DRC
ADS...Sorry, oldschool thinking.
-DL
withENEMYin
01-04-2017, 12:44 PM
Once it is actually available...... Is there a way to get my hands on one without having to buy everything APR?
bhvrdr
01-04-2017, 03:04 PM
Once it is actually available...... Is there a way to get my hands on one without having to buy everything APR?
4 changes in throttle bodies you have to have somebody tune for it.
I have the base suspension, not the fancy electronic one
whiped
01-04-2017, 04:19 PM
i'll send you a PM on it mid-morning when I get to a laptop (hate typing on this phone keyboard), but yes its an ecu, tb, s/c inlet, dp
Send me a copy too if you don't mind Loe.
I have a date with the dyno scheduled for next week. I plan to test a stock TB vs one ported by Will to see if there are any measureable gains.
Butt dyno approved and I noticed better throttle response.
I never was able to log anything conclusive though because the CW was messing with things.
I have an actual boost tap in my car now but haven't tested things recently due to poor weather.
I'll post my results here when I have them.
Brother Owl
01-04-2017, 04:22 PM
Send me a copy too if you don't mind Loe.
I have a date with the dyno scheduled for next week. I plan to test a stock TB vs one ported by Will to see if there are any measureable gains.
Butt dyno approved and I noticed better throttle response.
I never was able to log anything conclusive though because the CW was messing with things.
I have an actual boost tap in my car now but haven't tested things recently due to poor weather.
I'll post my results here when I have them.
Very interested to see back to back testing with Will's ported tb...
Thurston
01-04-2017, 04:22 PM
Send me a copy too if you don't mind Loe.
I have a date with the dyno scheduled for next week. I plan to test a stock TB vs one ported by Will to see if there are any measureable gains.
Butt dyno approved and I noticed better throttle response.
I'll post my results here when I have them.
both interesting and exciting!
Gotcha. Thanks man. Yeah I'll be surprised if it actually does all that much. Traditionally TB and SCinlet upgrades are the end of the road last ditch effort folks with PD superchargers make to try and get that last few hp out of their setup after they have ported the SC and gone with the largest SC core, etc. On the honda, this is an example of what we'd do...
http://mercracing.net/products-page/supercharger-upgrades/ct-engineering-high-flow-modular-inlet/
http://www.innovativemotorsportstech.com/store/big-bore-cte-supercharger-inlet-14.html
In reality they were probably good for 15hp or so.
I actually had APR on my car from the previous owner and could have put their programming back on for $150 but I foresee in the future they will attempt to sell $400 worth of crank pulley with $300 worth of TB and $300 worth of inlet pipe for 2 grand and for the next year different people with different models of ECUs will be having soft codes and CEL for tb and fuel mixture related issues. Hoping for the best for them but I wont be surprised if you stay within .1 of a second of the folks with the TB upgrades in your 1/4 mile times.
Mike
As you know, being DP will pretty much max out our small blower, so the difference would be between the tune and other hardware items to related to allowing more air in, even if its just that .2 difference beyond what I'm currently running. Unfortunately any advantage one may have over the other will simply be a few car lengths at this point
bmoreS4
01-05-2017, 04:52 AM
Loe,
if you don't mind Id love that Ultracharger info as well.
Thanks man
bhvrdr
01-05-2017, 04:58 AM
As you know, being DP will pretty much max out our small blower, so the difference would be between the tune and other hardware items to related to allowing more air in, even if its just that .2 difference beyond what I'm currently running. Unfortunately any advantage one may have over the other will simply be a few car lengths at this point
Doubt it will be worth .2 seconds. I think the differences are going to come from weather and conditions more than a TB and inlet tube. I hope you guys both kill it this season. Good luck this weekend man. Weather sound awesome. Better get there early, lol.
Mike