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DLN84
11-30-2005, 05:06 PM
anyone know of a decent quality front mount i can use with a GT3071r for a good price. what do people think of this one on ebay?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/98-01-Audi-A4-1-8T-S4-2WD-Quatro-FMIC-Intercooler-Kit_W0QQitemZ8018498871QQcategoryZ33742QQrdZ1QQcmd ZViewItem

nizmosx
11-30-2005, 05:11 PM
Buy the greddy, great unit/

duhvinci
11-30-2005, 05:17 PM
Someone mentioned here they've bought greddy for just over $500 new...

As for the ebay units - here is the working link (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8018498871&ru=http://motors.search.ebay.com:80/8018498871_W0QQfromZR40QQfviZ1)

bitterchild
11-30-2005, 05:19 PM
is the greddy bar/plate of tube/fin? someone prove it to me definitively. If you've got the cash and a big front bumper, get a DUH fmic.

DLN84
11-30-2005, 05:21 PM
I had a subaru wrx before this and everyone that had greddy intercoolers on those cars said they sucked really badly. I wonder if its different on the A4?

Eurotuned_A4
11-30-2005, 05:26 PM
the DUH does look sick. how much are those anyways? i guess the Greddy is really good. i have an EVOMS FMIC but its a little spendy. if you go greddy, youll have to chop a lot of the front bumper up....

bitterchild
11-30-2005, 05:28 PM
Originally posted by DLN84
I had a subaru wrx before this and everyone that had greddy intercoolers on those cars said they sucked really badly. I wonder if its different on the A4?

well regular WRXs suck badly too. I'm not trying to ruffle feathers but I've tuned a few and they're pretty weak. STI's are a step above. Course a built 2.5 boxer is another story.

nizmosx
11-30-2005, 05:29 PM
From all the tests that have been done on the greddy, so far it seems to be one of the best options. If you would like to go to audigeeks.com dvs18t has posted some logs taken from the greddy unit. I havent seen any other unit put out those iats.

duhvinci
11-30-2005, 05:39 PM
Originally posted by bitterchild
is the greddy bar/plate of tube/fin? someone prove it to me definitively. ...

Here is the picture of the "actual" B5 greddy kit to my best knowledge:

http://www.velocityfactor.net/ProdImages/GReddyIntCoolA4500.gif

"All cores are of a lightweight air-to-air, tube and fin design..."

http://www.velocityfactor.net/Scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=1065

bitterchild
11-30-2005, 05:55 PM
thank you, you still coming by for the k04?

DLN84
11-30-2005, 05:55 PM
ya my wrx wasnt too bad, i had the classic vf34 setup all that, put down 260 to the wheels on a mustang dyno, but i ahve to agree, with the open deck, there was a bit of a limiting factor. not to mention the tranny might as well be made of glass.

duhvinci
11-30-2005, 06:31 PM
Originally posted by bitterchild
thank you, you still coming by for the k04?
Tony - yes, absolutely!

bitterchild
11-30-2005, 06:33 PM
lemme know, I need to put in a switchboard somewhere too. k04 should be a half day's work. Depends on your exhaust really. When was the last time your cat was out?

duhvinci
11-30-2005, 06:41 PM
Cat - never. When I rebuilt the top end, I left the turbo sitting there, just wanted the car run first and avoid any possible new issues...

Empty your mailbox ;)

D

DLN84
11-30-2005, 09:30 PM
so what does everyone think of the ebay intercooler kit? good? bad?

offroader1006
11-30-2005, 09:31 PM
johnnyracecar.com

inexpensive and quality

bitterchild
11-30-2005, 09:39 PM
Originally posted by offroader1006
johnnyracecar.com

inexpensive and quality

good welds, tube/fin cores.

OutkastSL
11-30-2005, 09:42 PM
i wouldn't get the greddy for a gt0371. the inlet and outlet is only 2 1/4 in. i recommend johnnyracecar.com for bang for the buck. get both 2.5" inlet and outlet to maximize the power potential of the big boy turbo.

Poopie
11-30-2005, 09:43 PM
how much would would labor and parts be to hook up an intercooler?

DLN84
11-30-2005, 09:49 PM
bar and plate is a lot more efficient isnt it?

TomRitt18944
11-30-2005, 09:49 PM
spearco if u dont mind not having much bumper left :), and homebrewing some plumbing

tkarwin
11-30-2005, 11:17 PM
Johnnyracecar intercoolers look like really nice units? What core are people running with a K03, or any other turbo for that matter? How much does it cost to have tubing made? What end tanks work best with our cars, or is that all up to the pipe maker?

Racetec just came out with a new one for the B5s and it also looks really cool. check it out at http://www.racetec-us.com/ Let me know what you guys think of it. I also like the z flow that they do.

BzeB5A4
11-30-2005, 11:43 PM
I am also looking into the JRC Intercoolers, but was wondering how hard it is or where I can get the Piping made?

DLN84
11-30-2005, 11:52 PM
i dont mind home brewed plumbing, just dont know how:(

bitterchild
11-30-2005, 11:56 PM
either weld it or use silicone couplers. It's not hard...

salz2135
12-01-2005, 12:17 AM
that z-flow IC looks super small. do larger ICs really restrict that much airflow to the radiator?

DLN84
12-01-2005, 01:23 AM
how would i mount a spearco core to the front of my car?

Devious27t
12-01-2005, 02:03 AM
Originally posted by DLN84
ya my wrx wasnt too bad, i had the classic vf34 setup all that, put down 260 to the wheels on a mustang dyno, but i ahve to agree, with the open deck, there was a bit of a limiting factor. not to mention the tranny might as well be made of glass.

what were your suppoting mods for the VF34? who did your tune? i built and tuned a 2003 WRX that was VF34 powered and made 296whp on 91 octane. 260 seems a bit low.

Devious27t
12-01-2005, 02:05 AM
Originally posted by tkarwin
Johnnyracecar intercoolers look like really nice units? What core are people running with a K03, or any other turbo for that matter? How much does it cost to have tubing made? What end tanks work best with our cars, or is that all up to the pipe maker?

Racetec just came out with a new one for the B5s and it also looks really cool. check it out at http://www.racetec-us.com/ Let me know what you guys think of it. I also like the z flow that they do.

no offense to russ and the boys but a racetec cant handle the air of a 3071R it will heat soak in a hurry, shit it has a hard time with the T28 (from the cars i have looked at with PES/racetec compared to other intercoolers. not sure why it looking cool really matters it needs to work... esp with a big ass turbo...

Howard Hughes
12-01-2005, 02:51 AM
I wouldn't even bother with an Ebay intercooler,This is a nice quote from them-

"We can GUARANTEE our product fitment are one of the best in the body part industry."



"NOTE: THIS IS MADE FOR THE JAPANESE VECHICLE, US CAR MIGHT NEED TO DO SOME MODIFICATION TO INSTALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

GraysonF
12-01-2005, 03:50 AM
if johnnyracecar makes good cores, and hombrew plumming seems to be the cheapest, how would one go about doing this? honestly i have no idea when it comes to intercoolers. would one just take heavy duty rubber hose and attatch it where it needs to be attached with screwdriver-tightening clamps? please fill me in!

bitterchild
12-01-2005, 09:07 AM
cut prebent piping, roll or weld beads on the ends, silicone couplers, hump hoses and T bolts. If you're asking then buy a kit.

onemoremile
12-01-2005, 09:13 AM
you can use the cut and coupled pipes as they are or use them as a template for custom bent piping.

AElucky83
12-01-2005, 09:25 AM
Originally posted by bitterchild
cut prebent piping, roll or weld beads on the ends, silicone couplers, hump hoses and T bolts. If you're asking then buy a kit.


Id hate to say it but hes right....its not something u should do if u dont know how...it does take time with fitment and piping...a lot cheaper then a kit depending on what ur using and whos making piping

b00st
12-01-2005, 10:05 AM
Originally posted by DVS18t
what were your suppoting mods for the VF34? who did your tune? i built and tuned a 2003 WRX that was VF34 powered and made 296whp on 91 octane. 260 seems a bit low.

i helped my neighbor build his WRX with a VF34...supporting mods were. FMIC, UP-PIPE, 4" DP cat Delete, 3" exhaust, Fluidyne Radiator, Short Ram Air Intake, APS BOV, Greddy Headers, ECUTEK reflash, Dual Trans Coolers, LEVEL 10 VB upgrade. Wilwood 4 POT calipers, Forgot who's coilovers. He was putting down around the same 260awhp. was able to do a 13.003 with brake boosting @ best run...most were in the mid 13s.

Now he has changed it to an APS SR40 Turbo Kit, with top and bottom end built. still pushing the same 2.0L and he backed it with a NX NTER COOLER Chiller. On 93 octane he dyno at 365awhp. with NX going it hit 401awhp.

i think the problem on the first setup was the tuning wasn't there...his car is an automatic and I heard it is really tough to tune. Manuals are no problem from what all the tuners said.

TomRitt18944
12-01-2005, 10:24 AM
My roomates got an 18g on his wrx and made ~280whp with the ecutek and 270whp with utec tuned by shiv himself, now that I am building my motor he is buying a jdm sti motor with a gt3540r, and he already has a full sti drivetrain minus the motor. he's aiming for 550awhp

JeffM1587
12-01-2005, 10:27 AM
i have the greddy fmic, the piping didnt fit so i had to go get new pipes to make it work, and u have to hack the crap out of ur bumber

Poopie
12-01-2005, 10:35 AM
sounds easy enough to mount up. Is there a good pic of the actual pipes to give me a rough idea of what pre-bent peices i would need?

Poopie
12-01-2005, 10:41 AM
would tomritts set up be a good starting point on what angle piping needs to be bought?
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c94/rittentf/DSCN2823.jpg

It looks like 5 90* peieces and some straight tubing.

b00st
12-01-2005, 10:44 AM
i think EVOMS is the best bet for less hassle when it comes to install. I like by bumper support right where it is...fully intact.

b00st
12-01-2005, 10:50 AM
Originally posted by TomRitt18944
My roomates got an 18g on his wrx and made ~280whp with the ecutek and 270whp with utec tuned by shiv himself, now that I am building my motor he is buying a jdm sti motor with a gt3540r, and he already has a full sti drivetrain minus the motor. he's aiming for 550awhp

yeah you ever raced your roomie? when you were GT28 vs his 18g.

i think the tune on my neighbors WRX is still weak. Fully forged internals and a 6500 top end and back by an APS SR40 and still only hit 356awhp on 93 octane...i think is weak...i believe that he was only hitting 19psi....i blame the tune on both setups. i thought they were both way to concervative as far as tune went and he is automatic...no tuners at the time wanted to touch his car. first question they would ask was it auto or manual. for a car that has 35K into the motor...i would think he would be faster....more in the upper 450+ to 500 awhp. there are some kits for the wrx that in the name of the kit has the power. a something "500" and a something "750".

Eurotuned_A4
12-01-2005, 10:57 AM
Originally posted by b00st
i think EVOMS is the best bet for less hassle when it comes to install. I like by bumper support right where it is...fully intact.

i did it myself and had no clue how to install it. very easy and i didnt have to cut anything......still a spendy piece though. you can see it in my sig.

nizmosx
12-01-2005, 12:13 PM
You dont have to cut any bumper suport with the greddy if you install it right. However if you use the greddy with the stock bumper you will have to cut bumper support to get it to fit

DLN84
12-01-2005, 12:54 PM
Originally posted by DVS18t
what were your suppoting mods for the VF34? who did your tune? i built and tuned a 2003 WRX that was VF34 powered and made 296whp on 91 octane. 260 seems a bit low.

i had the vf34 with the sti pink injectors, walbro fuel pump, gruppe s wrapped headers, helix down pipe, borla hush 3 inch exhaust, perin turbo inlet hose, turbo xs intake and turbo xs fmic. I got it tuned by gruppe s. I really dont think comparing numbers on here is accurate since so many places use so many different kinds of dynos. i got mine tuned on a mustang dyno with no SAE or atmospheric correction.

DLN84
12-01-2005, 12:58 PM
i am tempted to get the greddy because of the price, but my main concern is that the tube and fin intercoolers are not nearly as efficient as the bar and plate. The GT3071R isnt a small turbo so id want higher cooling characteristics.

TomRitt18944
12-01-2005, 01:51 PM
Yea i raced him once, ona 3rd gr pull on the way home from his tuning with shiv, I was running pig rich at 17lbs and I had him by a half a fender, almost dead even, he was at 20lbs.
I should be able to eat him alive until he gets his motor then there is no chance, ill hafta build another car

My drivers side plumbing would be similar, but on a stock turbo placement, the plumbing on the passenger side would go around the inside of the frame rail rather than the outside

Poopie
12-01-2005, 02:08 PM
ahh i see what you mean.

Devious27t
12-01-2005, 02:24 PM
Originally posted by b00st
i helped my neighbor build his WRX with a VF34...supporting mods were. FMIC, UP-PIPE, 4" DP cat Delete, 3" exhaust, Fluidyne Radiator, Short Ram Air Intake, APS BOV, Greddy Headers, ECUTEK reflash, Dual Trans Coolers, LEVEL 10 VB upgrade. Wilwood 4 POT calipers, Forgot who's coilovers. He was putting down around the same 260awhp. was able to do a 13.003 with brake boosting @ best run...most were in the mid 13s.

Now he has changed it to an APS SR40 Turbo Kit, with top and bottom end built. still pushing the same 2.0L and he backed it with a NX NTER COOLER Chiller. On 93 octane he dyno at 365awhp. with NX going it hit 401awhp.

i think the problem on the first setup was the tuning wasn't there...his car is an automatic and I heard it is really tough to tune. Manuals are no problem from what all the tuners said.

well with the auto you will have more drivetrain loss b/c of the converter.

audi2302
12-01-2005, 02:58 PM
Anyone know the cheapest place to get the greddy fmic kinda straped after my v2 valance decied to fall off and get hit by a truck

b00st
12-01-2005, 03:07 PM
Originally posted by nizmosx
You dont have to cut any bumper suport with the greddy if you install it right. However if you use the greddy with the stock bumper you will have to cut bumper support to get it to fit

right i was referring to an FMIC fitting behind stock bumper. not a rieger or any other aftermarket.

in general...you get what you pay for. the EVOMS is a quality piece but you yes you need to pay a little more...but that little more saves you on other things like having no problems fitting behind a stock bumper without cutting into it. its a true bolt on piece...so it will cost a little more for there R&D to get it behind the bumper...be effecient and bolt right up.

greddy's is nice too...i was looking at long before my EVOMS FMIC...the price was right on it, but i wasn't going to sacrafice my front bumper support for it. so i spent a little more and got one that fit behind a stock bumper.

now i have a rieger bumper so fitment won't really be an issue.

DLN84
12-01-2005, 03:24 PM
so for the greddy, i have to cut the bumper support meaning the actual metal piece, or the bumper cover, the plastic outside piece or both?

b00st
12-01-2005, 04:14 PM
the metal thingy behind the bumper [:D]

hopefully you don't get into any front end collisions.[;)]

DLN84
12-01-2005, 05:09 PM
anyone know if you have to cut anything for the APR fmic?

bigcfromcinci
12-01-2005, 05:18 PM
Originally posted by DLN84
anyone know if you have to cut anything for the APR fmic?
Yes you do.especially if you have a stock bumper.

b00st
12-01-2005, 06:34 PM
Originally posted by DVS18t
well with the auto you will have more drivetrain loss b/c of the converter.

yeah his auto was the bad part about it.

he added a 2800 stall on it to try and help for his streetlight racing...i thought it was still not up to par with others i've seen with less work. 30k invested and i think its still slow...now he is doing a trans upgrade for the winter.

Devious27t
12-01-2005, 08:08 PM
Originally posted by DLN84
so for the greddy, i have to cut the bumper support meaning the actual metal piece, or the bumper cover, the plastic outside piece or both?

if you use a stock bumper you would likely have to cut.. i have an RS4 bumper on mine and didnt have to cut the bumper support, i just had to trim the mouth of the bumper cover. the greddy will also fit behind an S4 bumper as it is basically the same size as the DUH. you just have to remove the black grilling and replace it with RS4 mesh, like you do with the DUH.

pics of greddy and RS4 can be found via my for sale post in my sig and pics of greddy and S4 can be found in the B5 forum on audigeeks.com i am too lazy to link the pics. [:D]

DLN84
12-01-2005, 08:55 PM
anyone knwo the dimensions of the EVOMS intercooler?

BarryT82
12-02-2005, 12:24 PM
Well if you buy one from APR you might be able to win a stage 3 setup. Now you may not get it for a while, but thats ok because it's free.

bitterchild
12-02-2005, 02:56 PM
Originally posted by Poopie
would tomritts set up be a good starting point on what angle piping needs to be bought?

It looks like 5 90* peieces and some
straight tubing.

well for starters tom's turbo flange is at a totally different position and angle from your average stock or cast manifold.

OutkastSL
12-02-2005, 11:45 PM
Originally posted by DLN84
so for the greddy, i have to cut the bumper support meaning the actual metal piece, or the bumper cover, the plastic outside piece or both?

i have the greddy and i had to hack the majority of the bumper support and trim ALOT of the actual bumper skin to get it to fit nicely behind my stock bumper.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b10/OutkastSL/100105%20photoshoot/DSC02478.jpg
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b10/OutkastSL/DSC02201.jpg
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b10/OutkastSL/c0878c81.jpg
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b10/OutkastSL/ac6a6e24.jpg

DLN84
12-04-2005, 03:42 AM
i was actually thinking of doing a custom setup. Use a spearco core, and weld brackets to it, and try to mirror the EVOMS kit. Use the same sized core, and do a custom pipe job to match. Plus speaco makes some of the most efficient cores out there. I might even go smaller than EVOMS because cooling for me is limited to the space in the front bumper anyway, so maybe itll cut down on the preassure loss and lag if the core itself a slightly small? who knows

petery18t
12-04-2005, 01:33 PM
What do you guys think of the latest SPP FMIC version that is made from racetek. Looks good, and fits without any cutting I heard and you don't need to mess with the smog pump location.

DLN84
12-04-2005, 03:34 PM
just checked their website and it said optimized for high boost K03 and K04 setups. is that a little too small? its only a little over 100 less than EVOMS anyway tho.