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pyongwonse
08-20-2016, 12:57 PM
Hey guy and gals, I've never posted any of my vehicles, but thought it was about time.


I work A LOT (70+ hours a week in my families seasonal restaurant), and winter is my down time, so ill be updating over the next few months...


Newly acquired...
1999 2.0 stroker with a elim 2871r
35K on the rebuild.
new (stock) head
ABA Crank
Scat rods
Lowered compression
Lightened flywheel with stage 3 Southbend
Walbro Fuel pump
FSI coils
H&R Ultra Lows
630 injectors
CTS intercooler
UM tune (need a updated one)
Adjustable fpr
JHM SS w/weighted knob (I need stabilizer bushing for the "Trio")
s4 uprights and front brakes
034 engine, trans, diff mounts
upper and lower strut tower braces
snub mount
Prefacelift hatch
Front and rear Control Arms done
blah blah blah blah



Did some stuffs-
1 piece headlights
LED bulbs in headlights (not too sure about this yet)
Aligned bumper
Interior led bulbs
AMG wheels on


Need to do some stuffs,
Full 3" exhaust
take out 71r, replace with full frame billet wheel upgrade (Paging Arnold!) with tial 38mm external wastegate (have)
s4 skirts on (have)
lower it about an inch
remove 10mm spacers in rear
Swap black leather with checkered sport cloths (have)
double din swap (have)
LC-1 wideband (have)
034 rear sway with brackets (have)
Find a solution for w/m (looking for new tune)
Track down my boost leak
Clean the maf
TB adjustment
Replace the ac fan.


Then build the head...



She is not my DD, but it tends to happen that way when work is 10 min away.

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Cheers! [wrench][wrench]

Alex-A4-Avant
08-20-2016, 01:19 PM
Looks nice and looking forward to seeing it come together

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demonmk2
08-20-2016, 01:20 PM
What's up with the cactus green?

pyongwonse
08-20-2016, 01:26 PM
What's up with the cactus green?

Let a "buddy" (not anymore) borrow it for a week while his car was being worked on. He was t-boned. I found out later that he was intoxicated. Passenger side doors are wrecked as well as the b-pillar. Bought it back from insurance for $210....now it's a full parts car.

pyongwonse
08-20-2016, 01:32 PM
Looks nice and looking forward to seeing it come together

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Thanks man

demonmk2
08-20-2016, 02:37 PM
Is the hood clean? ( cactus)

migaellefebvre
08-20-2016, 05:54 PM
Nice this car has a lot done to it! I wonder what the PO was thinking when he was doing a stroker but with an eliminator setup lol. What will you do with the lower door moldings as you put the S4 skirts on? I am putting mine on as well soon.


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tar
08-20-2016, 06:06 PM
Nice this car has a lot done to it! I wonder what the PO was thinking when he was doing a stroker but with an eliminator setup lol. What will you do with the lower door moldings as you put the S4 skirts on? I am putting mine on as well soon.


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Quite a few people go this route. Sometimes stroker parts are cheap and they plan to upgrade the turbo later. Not everyone can drop motor, and by money at once and this is the correct way around to do it. Ray who has a 2.0 and same turbo says its a very fun street car setup.

zandrew
08-20-2016, 07:52 PM
What's wrong with a stroker and a eliminator? You can do a lot with Elim setup if you do it right. Something like gtx2971r (which will fit) would really match nicely to 2.0 motor. There is also gt3076r option with eliminator. Turbo fitment on the a4 has always been a bit of an issue and a turbo in the stock location works nicely with dp and exhaust options.

For a daily driver a gtx2871r Elim with a 2.0 build would be bonkers.

migaellefebvre
08-21-2016, 06:16 AM
Im not hating on elims, I have one! I just thought why not extract the most out of your setup by going full frame and not with just a bigger elim. Bigger eliminators must be laggy? I like mine and definitely want more but not by going bigger.


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zandrew
08-21-2016, 08:41 AM
If you start a build by adding a 3" exhaust, intercooler upgrade, and have a well sorted intake and want more hp then going with a Elim allows you to keep those parts without added costs. Some are laggy, some are really laggy. The thing with Elim builds is most use off the shelf tunes instead of custom tunes. A custom tune will typically show significant gains on the left side of the dyno which helps with lag.

There is Elim setup that makes 400awhp and is no more laggy then a full frame. The stock intake setup is the best setup unless you run a maf less setup.

Alex-A4-Avant
08-21-2016, 01:50 PM
Just de middled boxed it has a lovely burble but the back box has a rattle but once it's warm no rattle

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Alex-A4-Avant
08-21-2016, 01:51 PM
Would of took your 17 star wheels if your were in the uk

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pyongwonse
08-21-2016, 02:08 PM
For a daily driver a gtx2871r Elim with a 2.0 build would be bonkers.

I already have a t4 manifold, external wastegate (going to be dumped), a 3" highflow cat downpipe (3 o2 bungs), and the 034 3" to 3" inlet pipe to get on there.

I'm waiting until my new house is finalized (with more than enough garage room) until I start to install all my full frame parts.


That's what I was thinking, gtx2871 full frame with the 2.0 build

tar
08-21-2016, 02:11 PM
I already have a t4 manifold, external wastegate (going to be dumped), a 3" highflow cat downpipe (3 o2 bungs), and the 034 3" to 3" inlet pipe to get on there.

I'm waiting until my new house is finalized (with more than enough garage room) until I start to install all my full frame parts.


That's what I was thinking, gtx2871 full frame with the 2.0 build

Grats on the house. Garage specs? And or picture.

pyongwonse
08-21-2016, 02:15 PM
Grats on the house. Garage specs? And or picture.
Thanks man. Already settled on a price for the new one, just gotta find a buyer for the old one. I have some fish in the line so keep your rings crossed lol


Garage is detached, concrete floor, fits 6 cars easily, 2nd story loft, and a separate entrance for a workshop.
It only has a single garage door, that'll have to change haha

tar
08-21-2016, 02:18 PM
Very nice. Work space makes all the difference

Sounds like my setup 5 car, 3 garage door, 2x built in rooms one pretty big lounge, other workshop/clean room bathroom with shower. Detached and gated behind the house.

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pyongwonse
08-21-2016, 02:21 PM
Very nice. Work space makes all the difference

Sounds like my setup 5 car, 3 garage door, 2x built in rooms one pretty big lounge, other workshop/clean room bathroom with shower. Detached and gated behind the house.

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Nice man! I was always a city guy and never had a garage, f that. Need/want the space now!

zandrew
08-21-2016, 04:46 PM
I already have a t4 manifold, external wastegate (going to be dumped), a 3" highflow cat downpipe (3 o2 bungs), and the 034 3" to 3" inlet pipe to get on there.

I'm waiting until my new house is finalized (with more than enough garage room) until I start to install all my full frame parts.


That's what I was thinking, gtx2871 full frame with the 2.0 build

T4 manifold? I haven't seen one that size yet. What's your goals for it? If your going with that big of a flange I would shoot for a gtx3071r. The gt28 turbine will limit it's capabilities but give you a bit better spool. If your going 2.0 I would jump for the gt3071r over the gt28. The gt3071r will flow 50 lb min so it's no slouch but the gtx3071r is nasty....

Can't wait to see your final product. I have 2001 avant that has some title issues due to the person that sold it to me but I have some plans for it that include a gtx2867r. Mine is silver but I love the black.

pyongwonse
08-21-2016, 05:13 PM
T4 manifold? I haven't seen one that size yet. What's your goals for it? If your going with that big of a flange I would shoot for a gtx3071r. The gt28 turbine will limit it's capabilities but give you a bit better spool. If your going 2.0 I would jump for the gt3071r over the gt28. The gt3071r will flow 50 lb min so it's no slouch but the gtx3071r is nasty....

Can't wait to see your final product. I have 2001 avant that has some title issues due to the person that sold it to me but I have some plans for it that include a gtx2867r. Mine is silver but I love the black.
Whoops. T3 my bad. I haven't built the head yet, so I'm worried about getting a turbo too big. I'm looking to have a quick spooling set up, but maximising my current 2.0. Plus I don't wanna change my clutch.

I've always loved your set ups man. I've learned a lot from you, so, thank you.

ray4624
08-22-2016, 10:12 AM
Quite a few people go this route. Sometimes stroker parts are cheap and they plan to upgrade the turbo later. Not everyone can drop motor, and by money at once and this is the correct way around to do it. Ray who has a 2.0 and same turbo says its a very fun street car setup.

People confuse lag with useable powerband.
Driving around town in 3rd gear yields an instant 20psi with the 2871r elim/2.0 combo.

If I were to do anything differently, it would be to go with an efr or maybe a gtx turbo. I'd keep it around 400 whp and move the power as far left as possible. I rarely drive on the highway and having a car that can rev to the moon does me no good.

Ether way this car will be a blast if you build it the way you say.


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pyongwonse
08-22-2016, 10:19 AM
People confuse lag with useable powerband.
Driving around town in 3rd gear yields an instant 20psi with the 2871r elim/2.0 combo.

If I were to do anything differently, it would be to go with an efr or maybe a gtx turbo. I'd keep it around 400 whp and move the power as far left as possible. I rarely drive on the highway and having a car that can rev to the moon does me no good.

Ether way this car will be a blast if you build it the way you say.


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Thanks man, just read through your entire thread. I'm trying to get in touch with arnold at pag parts for his billet wheel upgrade on my full frame 28rs (elim is on the car, I have the 28rs collecting dust, which was from a previous vehicle)

Any reason why you stuck with the elim rather than the full frame?

ray4624
08-22-2016, 10:40 AM
I had the elim before the stroker build. Then I decided after it was all together that I wanted to build a track day car (e46 m3). If I kept the car I was going to go with a ppt kit and either go with one of his turbos or an efr.

Arnold is very responsive on Facebook btw. That's how I talked to him most of the time.

There is a ppt kit with a 5858 precision turbo that may still be for sale on here. That turbo was a little big for what I wanted but I was thinking of buying it, selling the 5858 and going with a billet 3071 or something.


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zandrew
08-22-2016, 12:38 PM
With the Elim you can still run the gtx line of turbos so it still allows you room to grow in both spool and hp potential. Actually most of the gtx turbos are sold minus the turbine housing. If you have gt2871r elim you can swap in any gt28 turbo (excluding some of the oddball gt2860r turbos). The larger gt3071r turbos use the oddball gt30 turbines which are 56.5mm major instead of 60mm major. In the gtx line they are called gtx2971r or gtx2976r. If you have gt3071r Elim you can mate up gtx29 to it as long as you get the corresponding turbine since there is 2 different gt3071r-wg turbines. There is 90 trim and a 84 trim wg turbine and the full frame gt30 60mm major is also 84 trim. These turbos have a lot of potential.

If I was going 2.0 and did not want to go efr and wanted to avoid an external wastegate I would go gt3071r-wg with the .64 t25 housing and smaller 84 trim turbine. This turbo can make 350awhp with ease and allow more hp potential over the 2871r while still spooling good.

pyongwonse
09-13-2016, 05:07 PM
That you for the information fellas. Really appreciated.

I'm having some issues with hitting full boost and a steady idle.
Full boost comes on at about 4300-4500 rpm and the idle is at 1200 rpm.

Boost leak? Or just maf cleaning and throttle body alignment?
Not on startup. But idle is a little uneven.

pyongwonse
12-30-2016, 07:36 PM
Sooo... just bought a 5858 CT3 billet triplex. Pictures to follow.

What have I done? Haha.

tar
12-30-2016, 07:43 PM
Congrats, what made you go with comp over others like efr or gtx gen 2

pyongwonse
12-30-2016, 07:48 PM
Congrats, what made you go with comp over others like efr or gtx gen 2
I got a good price on it, I was worried that it was a little large for what I was originally looking for. Plus I haven't seen many efrs or GTX here.

pyongwonse
12-30-2016, 08:56 PM
So should I stick with my Apr manifold and custom downpipe? Or grab the spa mani and downpipe in the classifieds?

I will be running the 3" tip from 034

tar
12-30-2016, 08:58 PM
Spa mani is terrible imo. Cracks and has no runners its just wide open inside.

Since you have a Apr manifold I would run that as its known to be one of the best manifolds.

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pyongwonse
12-30-2016, 09:02 PM
Spa mani is terrible imo. Cracks and has no runners its just wide open inside.

Since you have a Apr manifold I would run that as its known to be one of the best manifolds.

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Any idea how tight the space is for the tip? Or a different way to pipe it?

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tar
12-30-2016, 09:04 PM
No idea with that turbo. I know people are fitting efrs with that mani, you might have to run a cobra head then custom tip after that

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pyongwonse
12-30-2016, 09:07 PM
No idea with that turbo. I know people are fitting efrs with that mani, you might have to run a cobra head then custom tip after that

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Thank you. I'll get everything fitted, and then start building the inlet pipe. I've seen some Cobra head setups.

So currently I have the UM stage 3 tune, and have seen similar sized turbos use the same, should I be OK? I'd really like to step up to the maestro suite, but I have no idea how to tune.

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tar
12-30-2016, 09:09 PM
United stage 4 might be better considering ur mods. Aeb might be different than awm which I have united 3 on with a 2871elim. I would contact them and see what they can do as far as a custom file for ur setup

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pyongwonse
12-30-2016, 09:13 PM
United stage 4 might be better considering ur mods. Aeb might be different than awm which I have united 3 on with a 2871elim. I would contact them and see what they can do as far as a custom file for ur setup

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Don't they run a 3.5" pro maf? I'll shoot them an email Monday.

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tar
12-30-2016, 09:16 PM
The 4 does I believe. I think ray ran stage 4 on his. It should be a cheaper upgrade price. Another option is Kompressed custom bt file. I would probabaly pony up for maestro however. I'm sure someone on here could send u a maestro file for ur setup.

pyongwonse
12-30-2016, 09:34 PM
I'd like to eventually get tuned for cams, larger TB and whatnot. Will UM be able to do stuff like that or is that just maestro? I've heard kompressed, and he is fairly local to me

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tar
12-30-2016, 09:37 PM
I believe united can do a custom file for your setup, how extreme they go I have no idea. Ian(kompressed) is good at custom stuff but overall I think maestro is the best option for all that.

Dan on here is aeb with a efr with cams, tb, ect and I think he did his own tune with maestro

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pyongwonse
12-30-2016, 09:41 PM
Thank you. I appreciate your help. I'll do some more research

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ray4624
01-01-2017, 04:36 PM
Um can tune for pretty much whatever you want. They also do dyno tunes if you are close to them.

Also like tar said, I was running the stage 4 on a 2.0/2871 build. Tune was fine for me and headache free. I was looking into custom when I had the thought of building a head and running meth...then I sold the car.

You'll def want the stage 4. The stage 3 is really for stock motors couples with eliminators/franken turbos.

When i went from 3 to 4 it was a whole new animal.


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pyongwonse
01-02-2017, 09:39 AM
Um can tune for pretty much whatever you want. They also do dyno tunes if you are close to them.

Also like tar said, I was running the stage 4 on a 2.0/2871 build. Tune was fine for me and headache free. I was looking into custom when I had the thought of building a head and running meth...then I sold the car.

You'll def want the stage 4. The stage 3 is really for stock motors couples with eliminators/franken turbos.

When i went from 3 to 4 it was a whole new animal.


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Thanks ray. Think I'll be OK running the 3 for awhile? How did you run your inlet pipe?

ray4624
01-02-2017, 10:05 AM
You'll be fine but you are missing out on a ton.

I had no emissions so I just ran a low radius 90 connected to another 90 straight to the maf.

I ran a forge 004 on the cold side.


For reference. Stage 3 on a healthy stock clutch I wouldn't slip until about 18psi.

With stage 4 I would slip at about 5-8psi. No changes made other then tune.

I bought the stage 4 when I knew I was building a bottom end.


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genecan
01-02-2017, 10:06 AM
So should I stick with my Apr manifold and custom downpipe? Or grab the spa mani and downpipe in the classifieds?

I will be running the 3" tip from 034

You can not use the APR manifold as it is T25. SPA is NOT crap, just buy originial piece, make sure you buy the top mount as it is T3, the have a side/bottom mount that is T25 flanged too. Apart from APR and PPT all manifolds do crack in certain cases or with time. SPA is good quality/price ratio. You could probably use the PSI T3 clone manifold thst CTS sell with success.

Sell me yor APR mani!

pyongwonse
01-02-2017, 10:21 AM
You'll be fine but you are missing out on a ton.

I had no emissions so I just ran a low radius 90 connected to another 90 straight to the maf.

I ran a forge 004 on the cold side.


For reference. Stage 3 on a healthy stock clutch I wouldn't slip until about 18psi.

With stage 4 I would slip at about 5-8psi. No changes made other then tune.

I bought the stage 4 when I knew I was building a bottom end.


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Thanks ray, do you have any pics of that setup? I have a stage 3 clutch, it "should hold". I'm not a drop the clutch kinda guy.
I definitely want to get the correct tune (obviously), just wanted to know if I could get everything installed, they spring for the tune


You can not use the APR manifold as it is T25. SPA is NOT crap, just buy originial piece, make sure you buy the top mount as it is T3, the have a side/bottom mount that is T25 flanged too. Apart from APR and PPT all manifolds do crack in certain cases or with time. SPA is good quality/price ratio. You could probably use the PSI T3 clone manifold thst CTS sell with success.

Sell me yor APR mani!


Could have sworn it said Apr on the side, I haven't looked at the thing in years. I measured the flanges and it is a t3 log Mani, it's cast and has already been shaved down on the back side to make the install "easier".


I will be having a high flow Mani, gt2871 elim, 3" downpipe (3 bungs), matching inlet pipe, for sale shortly. I also have a full frame 28rs laying around too

ray4624
01-02-2017, 10:24 AM
I'll see if I've got anything for pictures left.

My ringer racing stage 3 was fine.

I haven't really been following but a quick spoiling turbo on that apr manifold would be a street monster with the 2.0.

My next step was going to be ppt/3071 billet build.



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pyongwonse
01-02-2017, 10:45 AM
I'll see if I've got anything for pictures left.

My ringer racing stage 3 was fine.

I haven't really been following but a quick spoiling turbo on that apr manifold would be a street monster with the 2.0.

My next step was going to be ppt/3071 billet build.



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I've been reading that the 5858 (which I just picked up) will hit full spool by 4k or so with the .63. That's what I'm hitting right now with my elim.

ray4624
01-02-2017, 10:49 AM
5858 is a good choice. Billet wheel?

You should easily hit full boost by then with the 2.0 and some aggressive tuning.

Would you be trying to get the stage 4 sooner then later? It would be a shame to do all this work to be so limited by the tune.


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pyongwonse
01-02-2017, 11:09 AM
5858 is a good choice. Billet wheel?

You should easily hit full boost by then with the 2.0 and some aggressive tuning.

Would you be trying to get the stage 4 sooner then later? It would be a shame to do all this work to be so limited by the tune.


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Yes billet wheel.
Looking to have everything up and running, tune included, by spring.
As of right now, I have to swap the turbo, manifold, downpipe. And figure out and intake with the larger MAF for the new tune

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