which would you pick....?

[SEXICÄN]

At the begining of next year i'm going to be selling my car and getting a B7 A4, but i'm not sure which one to get. Not sure if i'm going to be looking at brand new or try and find a used one with low miles yet. The big question is which model, 2.0T or the 3.2. I already know i want quattro and 6spd manual. and Red. but which one. A little about what i'm looking for I like the Turbo and how easily moddable it is, but at the same time i like th 3.2's HP and the fact that i can most likely turbo or S/C is later when one comes out... I do like to mod cars a bit for a bit more hp, which one do you think is what i should get?

[gods_kitchen]

2.0T for sho

[SEXICÄN]

For those of you who picked the 2.0T please tel me why.....

Same for you who picked the 3.2, why.....

[AudiGuy666]

2.0 all the way. The 3.2 is a great motor , just cant mod it at all.
So once you get use to the 255HP , you wont be able to get more out of it.
At least till the S/C it .. which will be $$

[SEXICÄN]

crap, one more question, go avant or sedan. I'm not sure now cause i really like the way anthony's car looks

[a2a2pqk]

whopz I accidentally voted 3.2. I was trying to click 2.0T though!

[ECA4]

2.0T, once you see what a modable beast this engine is going to be you'll understand why[:D]

[jsamans]

I say 3.2...of course I am biased. But the main thing is that yes, the chipped 2.0T is putting out great numbers, but they are PEAK numbers. The 3.2 has a much flatter power band, and has more torque available at a wider range of revs. This translates into the 2.0T being "quick" and looking very fast on paper, but the 3.2 will have much better "everyday" driving performance.

Also the 3.2 has more HP, but is heavier. It's pretty much a toss up, and will depend on how you drive, how you want the car to feel, and how important tuning is to you. The 3.2 is really refined and smooth, the 2.0T by comparison not so much. On the other hand the 2.0T feels faster to the "butt dyno" because of the turbo. And round and round it goes. It ends up really coming down to subjective factors: For me the bottom line was that I could get essentially the same performance, maintain my warranty 100%, and have a much better feeling engine and a great exhaust note. But others prefer the way turbo engines feel and love to tune. The two cars are really different in terms of character.

[Phoenix-IT]

The 2.0T has a very flat power band too... Even when software is added it has gains of up to 40HP at lower RPMs. So I don't see what the 3.2's got on a MODDED 2.0T.

You also have to consider the fact that the bottom end of the 3.2 isn't going to be bullet-proof. It doesn't come with factory F/I so they probably don't bother with forged pistons and rods. Sure, you can put an S/C on it later, but you'll have to limit boost unless the bottom end is rebuilt.

The 2.0T on the other hand will have a hardened bottom end from the factory, so you can throw a big turbo on a stock engine later without too much worry.

With the Audi 4, there really is only two choices... 2.0T or 4.2.

[a4] [s4]

[Phoenix-IT]

Personally... I'd also like to see them drop the 4.2 on the S4 in favor of a 3.2 FSI Turbo. HP would probably be in the 350 range with 400TQ and it would get better gas mileage. Of course, aftermarket software for such an engine would make it insanely powerful.

[jsamans]

Originally posted by Phoenix-IT
So I don't see what the 3.2's got on a MODDED 2.0T.
Uh, how about a warranty? [:D]

Seriously though, until you start replacing turbos and doing some serious and spendy mods, you aren't going to be able to tune a 2.0T that much faster than a 3.2. So you get it three-tenths of a second faster 0-60...sounds like a lot on paper, but is that even half a car length in the real world? And you trade a rock solid warranty and the smoothness and low end torque of the V6....not to mention resale. But I guess you gain fuel economy.

I think that if you can afford it -- unless you really enjoy tuning, and/or like the way a 4 cylinder turbo engine feels, the benefits of the 3.2 outweigh the 2.0T.

BTW the twin-turbo 3.2 FSI (Passat) they just showed at SEMA had 575 HP!

[Phoenix-IT]

Originally posted by jsamans
Uh, how about a warranty? [:D]

You only void the warranty on your ECU. They can tell you anything, but what they CAN do is a matter of LAW. If you can afford a $600 reflash, you can afford the $800 (or whatever it is) to replace the ECU if it fails.


Originally posted by jsamans
Seriously though, until you start replacing turbos and doing some serious and spendy mods, you aren't going to be able to tune a 2.0T that much faster than a 3.2. So you get it three-tenths of a second faster 0-60...sounds like a lot on paper, but is that even half a car length in the real world? And you trade a rock solid warranty and the smoothness and low end torque of the V6....not to mention resale. But I guess you gain fuel economy.

The software alone is outperforming the V6 in torque, and not just at the peak. See for yourself... APR's Dyno (http://www.goapr.com/Audi/products/images/dyno_b7a4_s1_93_clean.jpg) So, chances are 2.0T's with software and performance exhaust are going to outperform the V6 by nearly one second in the 0-60. If you put the software in sleep mode it probably won't effect your warranty or resale value. We're not talking about major engine work here.


Originally posted by jsamans
I think that if you can afford it -- unless you really enjoy tuning, and/or like the way a 4 cylinder turbo engine feels, the benefits of the 3.2 outweigh the 2.0T.

In my opinion, if you can afford the 3.2 nicely loaded your money would be better spent on a 1 year old CPO S4... Nicer car all around and a longer warranty.


Originally posted by jsamans
BTW the twin-turbo 3.2 FSI (Passat) they just showed at SEMA had 575 HP!

Very nice, but chances are Audi wouldn't tune it that far from the factory. It would compete with too many vehicles far more expensive... Like the RS4. Kindof like if they tuned the 2.0T to what it's capable of on the stock turbo (around 300HP), there would be no need to offer a 3.2 V6. :D

[obviouse]

2.0T. I have good reasons

1. Power. The 2.0T has great power and more torque than the 3.2 with just a chip. The future mods you can do will be less costly and still produce huge power gains.

2. Price. Why spend the extra thousands for the upgraded engine when you can get the same or higher numbers for the cost of a chip?

3. Gas Mileage. The 3.2 gets significantly less in the gas mileage arena.

[SEXICÄN]

thanks for all your guys/girls imputs

[element256]

2.0 already has a chip that makes 265 hp so I'd go with it.

[RE5PECT]

i had the choice of both when i bought my car....and the 2.0T is a great motor...but the 3.2 you can put down some monster numbers if you s/c it...the only way i would buy the 3.2 is if you DO S/c it....otherwise stick with a 2.0T and the extra money, spend it modding...

[AudiGuy666]

Originally posted by element256
2.0 already has a chip that makes 265 hp so I'd go with it.

Ummmm , what chip makes 265HP ??

[Anthony]

Both are great motors, can't go wrong either way. I of course opted for the 2.0T, because of price, gas mileage, and tunability. But, there is a 3.2 6-speed manual Black S-line Avant that just arrived to the dealer, I can't wait to take it for a test drive! [:)]

[nadroj81]

who had a twin turbo 3.2?

no one really supercharges the 3.0.

2.0 is where its at. more mods available. Should be real good power with standard mods.

[Quattroownsyou]

2.0t modded = bang for the buck champ. [race]

[SEXICÄN]

well, i'm going to lease the A4 for 2 years YAY

[bhvrdr]

Originally posted by Phoenix-IT
You only void the warranty on your ECU. They can tell you anything, but what they CAN do is a matter of LAW. If you can afford a $600 reflash, you can afford the $800 (or whatever it is) to replace the ECU if it fails.



Actually, what a dealership can do and what the law is are two very different things. A dealership CAN void any part of your warranty they wish by simply not covering the repair. It's that simple, they just say, "Sorry we're not paying for that."

It is not as though you can just stomp your feet and show them some warranty act documentation and they now say "Oh ok, we didnt know you were going to DEMAND we pay. Ok, we'll cover you now."


If an Audi dealership has a reason to believe your modification may have contributed to the failure, not only do they have a reaonable right to refuse the repair, but even if they dont have a reasonable argument they can refuse the repair and it is up to the consumer to take them to court. This entails $$ out of your pocket to fix the repair yourself up front in addition to attorney fees with no promise of a win.

Some examples of components that may not be covered while chipped include the clutch/flyweel, motor, turbo, tranny, diffs, axles. Here is a good example of why dealerships are not covering many chipped cars...

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=2265766

There you see 7 different audi cars all running a peroformance program that are running the car significantly outside of it's safety parameters. If you or I were an Audi rep and saw those logs I would absolutely not pay for an engine or turbo replacement.

Best advice IMO, is to be prepared to pay to play. When adding an additional 30% to 40% of power to a car and an additional 40% to 60% or torque, things may need repair that will not be covered. Dont forget that utilizing the same maintenance intervals would also not be recommended wen running that much extra power while retaining the same oiling/cooling seals, etc.

All that being said, most top tuner chips are high quality and not likely to cause catastrophic failures (but as we saw in the link, some are definitely not). Be sure and be familar with a vag-com and log your car regularly to ensure the car is running within normal limits.

cheers! Mike