Rs7 turbos S6 test runs .

[fairbird]

Hi guy , I can't tell that I'm 100% satisfied from my upgrade to RS7 turbos , on the same road , same outside temp all I can see as gain is st1 0–60 3.5 , st3 0-60 3.4 100–200 kph on st 1 8.6 sec , st 3 100–200 kph 8.4 , should be a lot more than this . 1/8 mile st 1 7.59 , very first run st3 7.4 , this is promising probably , in both cases sport mode . not sure what's going on . the car work perfect though [mad]
I was using race logic with antena and I have no reason not to trust it .
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[fairbird]

Today runs
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[fairbird]

Are you still on the stock cooling? If so, that's probably your answer. Also would be helpful if you posted the location of these runs along with the outside temperature. If it was hot out and you're making run after run with the stock cooling, I'm willing to bet the software was pulling back the boost and timing. The stock cooling is simply not adequate for the RS7 turbos, especially in the summer, especially in the Midwest, especially when doing repeated back to back runs with no cool down in between. yes , stock cooling , but on RS7 turbos all I did is 2 runs , any way I was expecting more , the cooling will be replaced during the winter . all the runs on 93 pump gas

[kouzman]

I would not compare track runs to vbox runs... there are differences not matter what...

Run the car at the same track and see... what is the claimed difference between st.2 and st.3?

[fairbird]

I would not compare track runs to vbox runs... there are differences not matter what...

Run the car at the same track and see... what is the claimed difference between st.2 and st.3?

In the first post vbox runs with time slips , no different in between as you can see .


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[S4Per]

Dumb question: you have the corresponding APR (or other) tune to take advantage of the new turbos?

[fairbird]

Dumb question: you have the corresponding APR (or other) tune to take advantage of the new turbos?

Apr st 3 , no issues but slow , ngp no cooling they claimed 10.9 , I would be happy with that number .


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[Ensoniq]

What boost does the S7 with RS7 turbos run on 93 octane?

Is it the stock rs7 boost is it the rs7 stage 1 boost?

[enigma1406]

http://www.ngpracing.com/home/?p=3611

10.9 is from there. The 1/2 mile runs make it seem like boost & resulting performance should be similar between Stg 3 S6 and Stg 1 RS7. Gearing would for sure differ though.

[fairbird]

Not sure where the 10.9 came from but the best run for that car up in Maryland was an 11.18 @ 127. That was on race fuel with the 104 octane program with the AMS cooling kit.

Ngp ? Some body mentioned 10.9 no cooling system . 65 more whp big different and only 0.3 second different ? Basically 70 crank hp took s6 from 12.1 to 11.7 , race gas gives 65 whp , I'm confused .


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[fairbird]

What boost does the S7 with RS7 turbos run on 93 octane?

Is it the stock rs7 boost is it the rs7 stage 1 boost?
Should be more boost than stock RS , since we putting more power down

[fairbird]

I strongly hope that we will get more power later same as every platform in the past


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[enigma1406]

http://www.ngpracing.com/home/?p=3611

10.9 is from there. The 1/2 mile runs make it seem like boost & resulting performance should be similar between Stg 3 S6 and Stg 1 RS7. Gearing would for sure differ though.

I know I'm quoting myself but the website also says "With temps in the 90s and humidity of over 100%, our fastest time of 10.9 definitely proved that this kit makes a lot of power!" so maybe you shouldn't believe it haha

[fairbird]

And I've been told that this run was no cooling on the car.


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[enigma1406]

And I've been told that this run was no cooling on the car.


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Not sure about that. Click on the youtube clip title and it takes you to the youtube page. This is the description:


We upgraded a customer's Audi S6 4.0T to RS6 spec with our Stage 3 turbo kit. This kit brings the S6 & S7 up to the power levels produced by an RS6 or RS7 by upgrading the factory turbos and adding an AMS turbo cooler kit to keep things frosty.

The RS7 driving along side is running an APR ECU upgrade and downpipes.

[fairbird]

Oh well , I'll wait on colder weather then . I will add cooling for sure , later


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[fairbird]

The plan was to get it in to 10s , seems like not happening soon


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[playwithonehand]

@Vol 4.0T, fairbird and enigma1406
I confirmed with Arin the tested S6 turbo upgrade car "DID NOT" come with AMS cooling kit



Just to clarify the tested S6 doesnt come with AMS cool kit and Awe intake?
Just Rs turbo, oem intake, oem cooling and apr cast downpipe?
Thanks


Correct!

S6 was owned by Fast4DR S6
RS7 was owned by Kiku

I thought 10.9 was done at higher altitude with heat and high humidity, I am under the impression that they imply the time will be faster than 10.9 with better condition?

Please chime in

[fairbird]

Here we go , I should get better times , s6 lighter than RS7 , transmission is faster and smarter , RS7 stock runs 11.6 or so ? And with advertised plus 75 horses I'm only getting 0.2 sec , weird .


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[playwithonehand]

Hi guy , I can't tell that I'm 100% satisfied from my upgrade to RS7 turbos , on the same road , same outside temp all I can see as gain is st1 0–60 3.5 , st3 0-60 3.4 100–200 kph on st 1 8.6 sec , st 3 100–200 kph 8.4 , should be a lot more than this . 1/8 mile st 1 7.59 , very first run st3 7.4 , this is promising probably , in both cases sport mode . not sure what's going on . the car work perfect though [mad]
I was using race logic with antena and I have no reason not to trust it .
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So I am analyzing your race logic vs your drag strip run and notice your racelogic read 2.2 to 2.5km higher than the drag strip. Vol 4.0T made a very good point because you picked up 8.6km/5.3mile but having said that if you 161.8km- 2.2km=159.6km/99.17miles.

So base on the above miles I can safely assume your current time is roughly 7.30 1/8 with 99 to 100mile and 1/4mile time of 11.2 and trap of 126miles (Assume you do a decent 60ft 1.75-1.79)
APR has achieved 1.6 60ft before so if you can get 1.6 you can get 11.1 or lower, you need to play around with your launch RPM and your tire pressure to get good 60 ft time.

To get 10.9 or lower you will need [email protected].

I am sure you had 7.4 1/8mile because you did a poor 60ft maybe 1.95 to 2.1____compare to my time when I did 7.4 my time was 93.15 where as your one is 99!

So don't worry its alot faster than before!! Just to minimize tire spinning off the line. [:D]

[fairbird]

So I am analyzing your race logic vs your drag strip run and notice your racelogic read 2.2 to 2.5km higher than the drag strip. Vol 4.0T made a very good point because you picked up 8.6km/5.3mile but having said that if you 161.8km- 2.2km=159.6km/99.17miles.

So base on the above miles I can safely assume your current time is roughly 7.30 1/8 with 99 to 100mile and 1/4mile time of 11.2 and trap of 126miles (Assume you do a decent 60ft 1.75-1.79)
APR has achieved 1.6 60ft before so if you can get 1.6 you can get 11.1 or lower, you need to play around with your launch RPM and your tire pressure to get good 60 ft time.

To get 10.9 or lower you will need [email protected].

I am sure you had 7.4 1/8mile because you did a poor 60ft maybe 1.95 to 2.1____compare to my time when I did 7.4 my time was 93.15 where as your one is 99!

So don't worry its alot faster than before!! Just to minimize tire spinning off the line. [:D]


Thank you , good possibility you right , I'm flashing tcu this coming week , but how do you play with launch rpm on stock tcu tune ? The run on rs7 turbos 60 was 1.8 , but it might be 1.89 too .


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[playwithonehand]

Here we go , I should get better times , s6 lighter than RS7 , transmission is faster and smarter , RS7 stock runs 11.6 or so ? And with advertised plus 75 horses I'm only getting 0.2 sec , weird .


Biggest different is you are running 93 vs their test car 100 or 104? As above you should be doing 11.2 and with 100oct maybe 10.9 which I believe is no far from advertising figure.
Also your transmission gear shifting is not optimize to take advantage of the high flow turbo, I believe Fast4DR S6's car is? Correct me if I am wrong.

[fairbird]

Biggest different is you are running 93 vs their test car 100 or 104? As above you should be doing 11.2 and with 100oct maybe 10.9 which I believe is no far from advertising figure.
Also your transmission gear shifting is not optimize to take advantage of the high flow turbo, I believe Fast4DR S6's car is? Correct me if I am wrong.

I don't think it was flashed at the 10.9 run , but who knows , if this s6 was apr test car , then could be it was


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[ronbars]

The RS7's gearing is a good bit shorter beyond first gear versus the S6's DSG.

[fairbird]

Moving up in the world , manual mode without letting the boost build on the launch .
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[playwithonehand]

Good stuff mate! Moving in the right direction.
The run looks very similar to my friends rs6 stage1.

Btw the 0-60 is to60km not 60ft


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[fairbird]

Good stuff mate! Moving in the right direction.
The run looks very similar to my friends rs6 stage1.

Btw the 0-60 is to60km not 60ft


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Very good chance it is , I learned how not to spin of the line , and it's little more in it I messed one shift for sure , need more practice .


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[S4Per]

Nice! When you say you didn't build boost..how exactly did you launch? Lower launch control rpm?

[fairbird]

Nice! When you say you didn't build boost..how exactly did you launch? Lower launch control rpm?
I tried to let off right away , even before the pointer reached the limiter , 4500–4600 rpm , very little wheel spin .

[playwithonehand]

I tried to let off right away , even before the pointer reached the limiter , 4500–4600 rpm , very little wheel spin .

Same with me, my best time of 11.6 was done with 3800-4000rpm launch and also got the best 60ft 1.70 but anything higher than 4500rpm I get all 4 wheels spin doing 60ft 1.88 to 2.0 and the times were terrible 11.9 to 12.1 1/4mile.

I am still not sure how APR stage1 managed to do 1.656 60ft with 5000rpm....... hope they can share the secret :)
If I can do 1.656 I would be on 11.5 territory [:D]

[fairbird]

Same with me, my best time of 11.6 was done with 3800-4000rpm launch and also got the best 60ft 1.70 but anything higher than 4500rpm I get all 4 wheels spin doing 60ft 1.88 to 2.0 and the times were terrible 11.9 to 12.1 1/4mile.

I am still not sure how APR stage1 managed to do 1.656 60ft with 5000rpm....... hope they can share the secret :)
If I can do 1.656 I would be on 11.5 territory [:D]
my best was 1.6 , I don't know how I did that , practice I guess , I'll take it to the track next Friday , will , its 1/8 mile unfortunately

[playwithonehand]

my best was 1.6 , I don't know how I did that , practice I guess , I'll take it to the track next Friday , will , its 1/8 mile unfortunately

I am guessing you do 7.25 to 7.3 1/8mile and 98.5 to 99.5MPH with 1.7x 60ft :)
If my theory is correct you will be doing 11.1 on 93octane [up][hail]

[fairbird]

I am guessing you do 7.25 to 7.3 1/8mile and 98.5 to 99.5MPH with 1.7x 60ft :)
If my theory is correct you will be doing 11.1 on 93octane [up][hail]

Yeah this is the plan , I want to see how the tcu tune affecting acceleration , might be even better [drool]

[sciblades]

Keep up the good work my only suggestions i can give to you are as follows

heat is the enemy
dsg is the enemy

fix those two things and you will see 10's is not that hard, you will have to change your tire setup as you will start to spin all 4 when the weather becomes cooler.

and as always i love how Vol 4.0T chimes in with all his knowledge on the subject.......[headbang]

[fairbird]

Keep up the good work my only suggestions i can give to you are as follows

heat is the enemy
dsg is the enemy

fix those two things and you will see 10's is not that hard, you will have to change your tire setup as you will start to spin all 4 when the weather becomes cooler.

and as always i love how Vol 4.0T chimes in with all his knowledge on the subject.......[headbang]
Hey man , tell me if I'm going right direction , AMC and SSP will be done next , any other suggestions ? thank you in advance !