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audisnapr
10-03-2005, 03:12 PM
... I thought maybe it was time to take on the project of making and installing brake cooling ducts. But the more I looked in and around my bumper, the more I realized there was no way I was going to incorporate the duct inlets into my existing bumper <--- "the problem" :: "the solution"---> find a splitter and incorporate the inlet ducts there.

At first I thought it was going to be a simple... "buy a splitter off the shelf kind of a project", but unfortunately, since my bumper is an OEM/aftermarket hybrid which kinda swoops upward from the wheels to the nose of the car (see first photo), there was no way to just buy a flat splitter and screw it on <--- "the problem" :: "the solution" ---> shit, might as well make a splitter. So I did.

Now keep in mind, although aesthetics are important to me, this is more of a functional piece than a bling piece and will only be on the car for track days (3-4 times a year). And yes, I know I need sides. I'm working on that. Maybe I'll just make my own [rolleyes]

For now, enjoy the photos of a freshly washed car with a super high gloss splitter and a semi gloss bumper.

Photos of the brake ducts will be posted later.

http://public.visualrealms.com/audi2/splitter/IMG_1345.jpg
http://public.visualrealms.com/audi2/splitter/IMG_2708.jpg
http://public.visualrealms.com/audi2/splitter/IMG_2691.jpg
http://public.visualrealms.com/audi2/splitter/IMG_2705.jpg
http://public.visualrealms.com/audi2/splitter/IMG_2700.jpg

BTW, this was my original inspiration:
http://public.visualrealms.com/audi2/splitter/sideb9mc.jpg

--edit--
forgot the mention... the large center opening in the splitter is the main intake inlet for the brake duct hosing.

rhythmman
10-03-2005, 03:39 PM
very, very impressive!! What did you use as the basis of the piece?
I think it looks great, and should stay on the car all the time - please do post those pics of the brake ducting - I'm curious to see how you routed things.
I have a new Oettinger front lip for my car that will be going on next spring, and it has an opening similar to yours. I hit the track several times a year myself, and might see if I can integrate something similar on my setup.

Well done man!!

littlewhite
10-03-2005, 03:52 PM
! ! soooo nice. Nice work on the DIY splitter! Looks very good and aggressive, but not overdo it.

I ike the last Audi pix of the hood. So bling clean and nice reflection of the side buildings[race]

nizmosx
10-03-2005, 03:52 PM
wow man, how the FFFFF did you make that out of scratch, im jealous for not having the skills to make that

girls only like guys with skills

B528QM
10-03-2005, 03:56 PM
nICE... lOOKS gOOD

marked001
10-03-2005, 04:07 PM
pics sent..didnt really take too many..whoops!

OverSpun
10-03-2005, 04:19 PM
sweet!

s1n3d
10-03-2005, 04:43 PM
very sweet, maybe u can make one for the rest of who have the stop a4 b5 bumpers, would that fit ???

audisnapr
10-03-2005, 04:48 PM
rhythmman :: the core of the splitter is foamcore. I created a template out of cardboard, then recreated it with foamcore. Once it was to size and shape, I just started laying layers of glass. Obviously it wasn't as simple as that since I had to create those filler pieces between the bumper and splitter.

As far as the routing of the ducting hose, not sure I would be able to explain it. Once you get under your car you'll see there is only one way into the engine bay from the wheel well, and only one way from the engine bay to the front of the car - at least in my 2000. Talking to marked001, I hear DBW cars have more stuff crammed in there than the nDBW. The passenger side was a lot more difficult. There was absolutely no room to get a 3" diameter hose from the engine bay to the front of the car. So I had to compensate by transitioning from the 3" hose to three 1.5" hoses, then back to a single 3" hose once I weaved my way to the front of the car.

Anyway, here are two pics marked001 shot while I was finishing up for the day. They don't tell the complete story, but you get some idea.

http://public.visualrealms.com/audi2/brakeduct/DSCN0800.jpg
http://public.visualrealms.com/audi2/brakeduct/DSCN0803.jpg

B528QM
10-03-2005, 04:50 PM
PROPS for all the DIY work in the driveway...

audisnapr
10-03-2005, 04:55 PM
what happen to the comment about my blown out photos? it's not the camera, it the crappy photographer behind the camera. I blow out the bright areas to draw in some detail in the darker areas, ie: the entire BLACK car. If I were to compensate for the bright areas, the car and shadows would be so dark black that you wouldn't be able to see any of the details.

OutkastSL
10-03-2005, 04:56 PM
damn! that's hot, nice work.

ECA4
10-03-2005, 05:01 PM
Came out great, now how about some S4 Sides[:p]

audisnapr
10-03-2005, 05:03 PM
Originally posted by ECA4
Came out great, now how about some S4 Sides[:p]

I know... add me to the list of 100's looking for a cheap set [rolleyes]

ECA4
10-03-2005, 05:10 PM
Haha yea I think it the most sought after part for all B5 A4 owners[wrench]

ECA4
10-03-2005, 05:11 PM
Hey I saw that you were from Brooklyn, you should come to the NJ meet were having this weekend[up]

jones3000
10-03-2005, 05:24 PM
what lights are those? they look nice.

bigcfromcinci
10-03-2005, 05:26 PM
nice work!!
you car is HAWT!!

audisnapr
10-03-2005, 05:30 PM
here's some production photos for those of you who are into it. Some of the photos show some side wings on the splitter, similar to the BMW splitter shown above. After the semi-finished splitter got mounted to the car, myself and several others who I consulted agreed that they needed to change... I opted to just hack them off.

first steps:
http://public.visualrealms.com/audi2/splitter/IMG_1644.jpg

using some sort of smooth plastic for formwork works well because the glass doesn't adhere to it.
http://public.visualrealms.com/audi2/splitter/IMG_1645.jpg

http://public.visualrealms.com/audi2/splitter/IMG_1653.jpg

http://public.visualrealms.com/audi2/splitter/IMG_1656.jpg

I used clay to create some of the harder transitions... after the glass dries, just pull out the clay - at least as much as you can:
http://public.visualrealms.com/audi2/splitter/IMG_1966.jpg

http://public.visualrealms.com/audi2/splitter/IMG_1969.jpg

the massive front lip that got trimmed back about 1.75":
http://public.visualrealms.com/audi2/splitter/IMG_1971.jpg

http://public.visualrealms.com/audi2/splitter/IMG_1977.jpg

FYI, the splitter is also the belly pan as well.

bong2611
10-03-2005, 05:31 PM
dude your avant is HOTTTTT![up][:D]

xonetruthcrewx
10-03-2005, 05:41 PM
thats some custom ass work. good job. your avant is looking sick.

scooter44
10-03-2005, 05:47 PM
WOW... keep up the good work man. love the pics, and the custom work!

awesome

nramsey
10-03-2005, 06:15 PM
Wow man, you're my hero. That looks awesome, AND very functional. If you found some sides and ran that full time it would be without a doubt one of the nicest Avants I've ever seen...especially with the black Justices.

94jedi
10-03-2005, 06:23 PM
Damn, Joe that's amazing. I had no idea you were handy! :P good job bro.

peja
10-03-2005, 07:08 PM
Great work snapr, that looks absolutey amazing! But how did you convince Dave Grohl to do the work for you? ;)

Poopie
10-03-2005, 07:14 PM
forget being functional. that is just the hotness. I always thought that bumper was just too round and resembles a stock bumper. The lip is awesome and makes the front end look awesome.

Yuikio
10-03-2005, 07:17 PM
Why the RS4 reps all of a sudden?

One time I thought about making brake ducts like that, but I am nowhere near as awesome as you. The ones in my mind were pretty much this, disregarding the SMIC:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v415/Yuikio/brakeductdiagram.jpg

I still think you have one of the nicest B5s I've ever seen. The completely custom front splitter is incredible. Where'd you learn to lay glass?

marked001
10-03-2005, 07:22 PM
..dont forget to post your helpers [:)]

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/1514/dscn08019ou.jpg

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/9006/dscn08048qc.jpg

bitterchild
10-03-2005, 07:28 PM
your car is fawked

audisnapr
10-03-2005, 07:41 PM
Originally posted by marked001
..dont forget to post your helpers [:)]

I would have if you had actually sent me those photos.

s1n3d :: no, nothing I ever make fits other cars as much as I wish they could so I can actually make some money off these things [rolleyes]

B5Ghost :: where have you been? I did a full review (http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=51300) about 4 months ago. They are ebay one-pieces.

nramsey :: unfortunately, there is no way for me to run that thing full-time here in brooklyn. When I first installed the semi-finish version and drove around the block to park my car, I hit a dip/pothole and scraped up the bottom of it and found it's weak point - nice little 1" crack.

peja :: ha, haven't heard that one in a long time.

Yuikio :: the black justices were never meant to see the streets. they were supposed to be my dedicated track wheels. but after my mishap in Staten Island, I had no choice. I finally got around to getting some new wheels and the reps were the most affordable I could find. They are my all-season wheels.

Just keep in mind, unless you have a hose mounting right up against the rotors, the tire will block most of the air flow in your design, if I'm reading it correctly.

bitterchild :: damn you bitterchild!! I just can't win.

WhippeD
10-03-2005, 07:48 PM
damn dude you're hardcore!![up] [up]

by the way how are those headlights holding up dude? and do you have hid installed? cuz from what i heard those headlights wouldn't be HID compatible.

MKGIY
10-03-2005, 08:18 PM
On point Joseph. You up for swinging by Show and Go this weekend and then watch some football at Hooters or something?

Mike

bitterchild
10-03-2005, 09:21 PM
nice crib joe

Yuikio
10-03-2005, 10:55 PM
Haha, yeah, I know. I guess I was trying to illustrate how far my ilittle ruminations got me vs. how sweet your setup is. A Brush Tool photoshop diagram is as fleshed out as my brake ducts have gotten.[:D]

Quattrocket
10-04-2005, 01:50 AM
[eek] OMG! that looks awesome dont ever take that splitter off! gorgeous. Wish I would have held out for a black one. too bad we didnt get Avants up here. stupid Canada!

ahvier
10-04-2005, 10:29 AM
amazing work! i wish i had a garage.

rhythmman
10-04-2005, 10:46 AM
Originally posted by audisnapr
[b]rhythmman :: the core of the splitter is foamcore. I created a template out of cardboard, then recreated it with foamcore. Once it was to size and shape, I just started laying layers of glass. Obviously it wasn't as simple as that since I had to create those filler pieces between the bumper and splitter.

As far as the routing of the ducting hose, not sure I would be able to explain it. Once you get under your car you'll see there is only one way into the engine bay from the wheel well, and only one way from the engine bay to the front of the car - at least in my 2000. Talking to marked001, I hear DBW cars have more stuff crammed in there than the nDBW. The passenger side was a lot more difficult. There was absolutely no room to get a 3" diameter hose from the engine bay to the front of the car. So I had to compensate by transitioning from the 3" hose to three 1.5" hoses, then back to a single 3" hose once I weaved my way to the front of the car.

Anyway, here are two pics marked001 shot while I was finishing up for the day. They don't tell the complete story, but you get some idea.

Wow - it's obvious that you put a lot of time/effort into this - it looks very well thought out - I may need to revisit this thread in the spring when I start my bodywork.
Again, great work, and it really looks awesome!

audisnapr
10-04-2005, 01:59 PM
Originally posted by WhippeD
damn dude you're hardcore!![up] [up]

by the way how are those headlights holding up dude? and do you have hid installed? cuz from what i heard those headlights wouldn't be HID compatible.

headlights are holding up OK.

All of the light fixtures in the light have tabs sticking out the back of the light - and for some reason they used hot glue to make sure the tabs don't "release"? not sure why they did that. Anyway, since that hot glue is exposed to extreme engine heat, that glue melts and runs down the backside of the lights and in some instances onto the plastic frame in the front of the car. Doesn't seem to affect anything, just ugly and dumb. Other than that, they are fine. I still like the look.

I do not have HIDs. I have no clue if the lights would hold up or not. Not even sure if HIDs get hotter than halogens or not. So can't help you there bud.

Hassmeister
10-04-2005, 02:09 PM
Originally posted by marked001
..dont forget to post your helpers [:)]

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/1514/dscn08019ou.jpg

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/9006/dscn08048qc.jpg

Chief Inspector aka: Quality Control.

BTW, Nice work... looks excellent.

onemoremile
10-04-2005, 02:21 PM
wow, that's pretty amazing, a color changing dog! does he have a little chameleon DNA in him???

the car looks great. too bad you can't run that splitter all the time. it really does a nice job of marrying agressiveness and class. great work.

2fast4u
10-04-2005, 02:55 PM
...the tubing in the pict with you in it...is that the diameter of the inlet?...because if you made a big mouth inlet than tapered to that hose size you could increase the velocity of the incoming air for better cooling...

bitchin glasswork btw

audisnapr
10-04-2005, 03:11 PM
yes, the opening in the front was intended to be the main inlet to feed both ducting hoses - hoses are 3" dia. The way it sits right now each hose has it's own tapered inlet that it mounted behind the the opening (you can't see it in any of the photos)

each inlet looks something like this:
http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/Images/L/3623.JPG

when they are mounted on the splitter at the opening, there is a gab between them, which I thought was a good idea to help get some air through to the oil pan.

also, my theory (and probably incorrect now that I hear your thoughts) was that if the mouth was too big, the diameter hose I had wouldn't be able to support the airflow and then just create a bunch of turbulence, ultimately slowing down the affective air flow through the hoses?

--edit--
just realized what you were asking - the hoses shown in the photo with me in it only happens on the passenger's side. I bundle up 3 of those hoses, each 1.5" dia and about 18" long. Together, they create just about a 3" diameter triangle that I can fit into the 3" hose shown in the other photo with the rotors. There was no room to get a continuous 3" hose from the passenger's side wheel well up to the front, so that was my solution.

94jedi
10-04-2005, 04:57 PM
Hey Joseph, waaaayyy OT but what sway bars do you have?

oh and what suspension?

audisnapr
10-04-2005, 05:04 PM
Originally posted by 94jedi
Hey Joseph, waaaayyy OT but what sway bars do you have?

oh and what suspension?

HSport sways front and rear - I really like them alot. They help make up for my ghetto coilover system (which will have to remain until next year) - Bilsteins w/ H&R sport springs and ECS' "coilover upgrade". I've had the bilsteins/h&r's for 4 years or so and seem to be fine to date.

osofast10
10-04-2005, 05:31 PM
wow... that is just bad ass looking... oh BTW i may have a set of S4 sides for you. i bought some that are black but i may sell them cause i'm thinking about going for a different look. i'll hit you up on PM if i do sell them. man you car is just sooo bad ass....

audisnapr
10-04-2005, 06:09 PM
Originally posted by osofast10
wow... that is just bad ass looking... oh BTW i may have a set of S4 sides for you. i bought some that are black but i may sell them cause i'm thinking about going for a different look. i'll hit you up on PM if i do sell them. man you car is just sooo bad ass....

nice! let me know when you decide what to do with them [up] thanks for the compliments

Actually, thanks guys for all the positive feedback. I wasn't quite sure how the add-on style splitter would come across. So I really appreciate the kind words. Special thanks to marked001, flatline, benfica09, mkgiy and a couple other for their feedback during the design and production stages of this thing. [az]

MKGIY
10-04-2005, 07:27 PM
I got a special thanks, your the best Joe. Do I get a cookie?

Mike

audisnapr
10-04-2005, 08:15 PM
no, but I have a gold star sticker I can put on your forehead

bitterchild
10-04-2005, 08:22 PM
where are the h2o pics?

audisnapr
10-04-2005, 08:25 PM
uh... dude, where have you been. check the car photo/video showroom (http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=65369)

bitterchild
10-04-2005, 08:49 PM
I'm out of the loop... but at least my car isn't fawked





actually it is

JMG
10-05-2005, 03:17 AM
looks good man, great job!

94jedi
10-05-2005, 04:39 AM
Originally posted by audisnapr
uh... dude, where have you been. check the car photo/video showroom (http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=65369)

I just forwarded bitterchild this link. If he didn't spend so much time being bitter, he might enjoy the hooters pics. [eek]

marked001
10-05-2005, 05:37 AM
Originally posted by audisnapr
no, but I have a gold star sticker I can put on your forehead

you know he's just looking for food...come on... [rolleyes]

audisnapr
10-05-2005, 06:33 AM
Originally posted by bitterchild
nice crib joe

thanks... my other "handy" work:

http://public.visualrealms.com/craig/IMG_1999.jpg
http://public.visualrealms.com/craig/IMG_2001.jpg
http://public.visualrealms.com/craig/IMG_2005.jpg

94jedi
10-05-2005, 06:42 AM
Originally posted by audisnapr
thanks... my other "handy" work:

http://public.visualrealms.com/craig/IMG_1999.jpg
http://public.visualrealms.com/craig/IMG_2001.jpg
http://public.visualrealms.com/craig/IMG_2005.jpg


baller status.

MKGIY
10-05-2005, 07:36 AM
Originally posted by marked001
you know he's just looking for food...come on... [rolleyes]

Yeah and.......

Joe I got a place you can put that sticker!

Mike

bitterchild
10-05-2005, 08:22 AM
who cleans your crib, your magazines are in perfect stacks...

i never knew photographers made baller cash. your flat is ripe for a party

audisnapr
10-05-2005, 07:58 PM
with all those fine look'n fashion models waiting outside my door to get a piece of me, I figured I might as well put them to work - starting with stacking all my magazines.

ECA4
10-05-2005, 08:11 PM
You my friend are a PIMP! ahaha

Your room looks like the inside of an Ikea store

bitterchild
10-05-2005, 08:16 PM
Originally posted by ECA4

Your room looks like the inside of an Ikea store

That could be taken as an insult.

audisnapr
10-05-2005, 08:23 PM
Originally posted by bitterchild
That could be taken as an insult.

yeah, WTF?! I think he meant it as a good thing... I think [confused] I do have a few IKEA items, dining table and chairs - but you really should be looking past all that crap. Here's what the place looked like when I got it.

http://public.visualrealms.com/craig/loft03.jpg

bitterchild
10-05-2005, 11:11 PM
you buy or rent?

94jedi
10-06-2005, 05:42 AM
Originally posted by audisnapr
yeah, WTF?! I think he meant it as a good thing... I think [confused] I do have a few IKEA items, dining table and chairs - but you really should be looking past all that crap. Here's what the place looked like when I got it.

http://public.visualrealms.com/craig/loft03.jpg

That's pretty damn cool Joe!!! Where in NYC do you live?

Party at Audisnapr's house![:D]

ECA4
10-06-2005, 06:09 AM
Nah I meant that as a compliment, my house is full of Ikea stuff too.

jrodmk2
10-06-2005, 06:16 AM
all i want to know is. is the table real, and is the chair and ottoman real?

onemoremile
10-06-2005, 07:48 AM
haha! it's like the Fight Club apartment! nothing but a fridge full of condiments...


nice place joe. it looks like you've poured some sweat equity into it. enjoy what you've earned.

supermario
10-06-2005, 08:02 AM
nice.. i need to do something like that to my bumper.. my shape is kinda similar to yours..

audisnapr
10-06-2005, 08:13 AM
bitterchild :: rent

94jedi :: brooklyn

eca4 :: i was just mess'n - Ikea stuff is fine. I have several small items in my place from Ikea that I really like. I really like their plywood storage stuff. In the one overall photo, you can see that I built those plywood drawers into the wall - those are Ikea.

jrodmk2 :: if you are referring to the coffee table... that is a herman miller - so it's not an "original", but it is an "authorized" replica Noguchi. And by chair and ottoman I assume you mean the plycraft chair - that is actually an original, yes. Both ottoman and chair have the original manufacturers label and inspection tags on the bottom. A close friend of mine owned a vintage furniture store in LA, so I got good prices on them.

OK, back to the issue at hand before moderators lock this thread. What do you guys think of this hood grille action?

http://public.visualrealms.com/audi2/grille/IMG_2698.jpg

MKGIY
10-06-2005, 08:27 AM
I like it Joe, looks different.

Mike

bitterchild
10-06-2005, 08:29 AM
interesting

maybe do something about the base of the rings, the black backing looks like a fuzzy halo on the chrome rings

audisnapr
10-06-2005, 08:32 AM
Originally posted by bitterchild
interesting

maybe do something about the base of the rings, the black backing looks like a fuzzy halo on the chrome rings

is that just the photo, or are you thinking it WILL look like a fuzzy halo when it's done?

94jedi
10-06-2005, 08:37 AM
Originally posted by bitterchild
interesting

maybe do something about the base of the rings, the black backing looks like a fuzzy halo on the chrome rings

no way man, I like it. I like the fuzzy halo!

joski
10-07-2005, 08:08 PM
Originally posted by 94jedi
no way man, I like it. I like the fuzzy halo!

Hahah.. Ok, sorry!

peja
10-07-2005, 09:39 PM
Since someone brought up Fight Club, in the novel the narrator actually owns an Audi. Thought that fun fact warranted mentioning.

audisnapr
10-08-2005, 09:37 AM
interesting, I did not know that.

Yuikio
10-08-2005, 10:38 AM
I don't remember that. I believe you, though.

Also, in the DaVinci Code, the albino had a black Audi.

bitterchild
10-08-2005, 11:10 AM
it looks liks a fuzzy halo in the pic

audisnapr
10-08-2005, 11:13 AM
that's probably just my bad photoshop skills. I'm sure it will look more crisp when done.

BLACK B5
10-08-2005, 03:35 PM
damn those dogs are low





Originally posted by marked001
..dont forget to post your helpers [:)]

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/1514/dscn08019ou.jpg

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/9006/dscn08048qc.jpg

magnetic1
10-10-2005, 04:34 PM
Hey Joe,

Looking REAL good. Glad to see you took the time to make the brake ducting functional by routing them direct to the rotors!

And your place looks great too... gives me motivation to finish all the projects in my house that are half done [eek]

scooter44
10-10-2005, 04:37 PM
i think it looks good. love ur car man.